Reminder, Mikey grassed on my WYSWIG...guess we'll never find out what happened to his model.

what GW needs to do is develop edible sprues, so when I'm done with assembling the minis, I can just have a little snack from the leftovers

Anytime a story starts with "Back'n day" you know it's gonna be a good one

I'm with Peachy on rules. I can play a perfectly good game using the rulebook I already have. No need for a new one, unless I just really hate something in the current book. Wishing everyone well!

Quite interesting about the clickbait thumbnails. I might have to tweak mine as my views are awful 😂😂😂

Great chat - some fun stuff there on evolving meta and the like! I am always intrigued by people trying to get terrain rules right, especially for a game like 40K which has so much futuristic tech.

I met Mikey at Sanctuary Games, great chap and always ready for a laugh. These chats are great to listen to while painting, really chill and loads of fun.

Kill Team has done an excellent job with terrain rules. An enemy can sometimes be seen, but not shot at due to intervening terrain. Its a great representation of being able to see/know an enemy is there, but being unable to bring effective fire onto them. (very realistic)

Just finished this, I adore this podcast and great to have Mikey on! Love all the work you guys all do, keep it up and can’t wait for the next one! Would love to see mikey’s chess clock enemy (Arbitorian) on a future episode as you guys just nostalgia gush about classic warhammer

IMO Non Wisywig is fine as long as it's consistent e.g. "all my grenade launchers are meltas" is fine. But "half are flamers and Half are meltas" is not.

Another great show gents. Keep them coming.

wow - 2 hours! thanks for kicking off Monday with style!

Honestly, I'm only here to hear "I'm Geoff" spoken in that sultry voice. But the rest of the video and Mikey is surely great, as always!

You had me at "decipher star wars card game" :-)

These talks are always, always highly entertaining and I can't wait for the next one.

The collab everyone needed 😊

On the topic of FAQ/Updates/Ringbinders. One thing I haven't really seen from any/many companies is the model Kingdom Death went with. They released an upgrade card pack, first to previous backers for $5 + shipping, which included all upgrade cards from the 1.5 -> 1.6 edition. *AND* They included stickers to go over sections in the rulebook to replace it with the new balance rules. I'd MUCH prefer this for LOTR/40K as I could have a "final" version of the rulebook at the end of an edition which as said here, is the 'most balanced' time for the Edition. And lets be real, they should really update the Digital Versions to have the amended rules, you shouldn't need a digital copy, *AND* a balance dataslate.

I love watching your videos. You're all just so funny and charming, and good-natured. Truly, some of the best hobby videos on the Internet. P.S. 5th Edition Fantasy Battle is my favorite edition, too.

I love how much you’re doing interviews! :D I know I’m fairly far down the list, but I can’t wait for my invite! 💪😂

Good show. Interesting to see terrain rules described as bandaid for the models - when I see the terrain rules and need of blocking line of sight so much are a band aid for the trhreat ranges, i go you go etc. that are the core mechanics of the game

New game. Take a drink whenever Jeff says "When I was in the military"

Its interesting to hear Geoff talk about his experience in the armed forces and how that translates to his understanding of games. I work in video games and its something that is constantly being weighed up, how can we make the experience feel intuitive with what most people know but also make it fair across the board. Every aspect of the real world can be simulated with enough time but that isn't the aim, our job is to make it feel 'kinda right' while also being fun and understandable. Saying all this, 40k is a bit of a mess when it comes to a lot of this stuff so I can see it being a bit frustrating 😆

The main “issue” I have with hearing too much negativity is that it is kind of taxing. Not that criticism is a bad thing, but I do want some laughs and stories when I sit down to paint and watch, not just negativity and some channels really lean into that.

Another banger of a guest!

I fully understand what Geoff (Jeff?) is saying. I'd love to have an army of renown that is Alpha Legion and their convert guard/cultist operatives. But it'll never happen cause it's too hard to pull of in game

Quality biscuit cam this week 👌 Also re sprues - Anvil Industry still lead the way by making their sprues double as basing accessories! Genius!

another great guest. but felt weird that there seemed less tangets than normal. but epic trigger moments. :)

Another great little chat video. Totally agree with the "got the book, play them rules". As I tend to play with drinks and snacks my gaming style has moved from rules heavy gaming to loose and and easy gaming,

I think Jeff needs to have a crack of Team Yankee/Flames of War. The artillery spotting has a modifier for if there is terrain near the target, as it makes it harder for the observer to range the guns in...

Great video. Loved it. Love Mikey from Wargaming. But my only take away from this video was that y’all had painted Andor and I missed it. Got it queued up for right after this one.

The highlight of my Mondays!

loved the discussion about Terrain, some really good points made :)

I remember my time at Meadowhall in the late 90’s. Dave Brighton is a super awesome chap 😊

Great show guys👍

Great chat, kept me going while painting an Ultramarine...

As a northerner now living in Bristol on my way home to Teesside one Xmas. I decided to run an experiment to see where the north starts, according to motorway signs. I can confirm the point at which the motorway stops saying ‘the north’ is Scotch Corner. So logically everything below that has to be the midlands

Great video as usual guys!

This feels like when your at school and you see a teacher at Asda. The streams have crossed 😂

Good episode, a lot of fun!

I think the Invictor Warsuit proxy should be given its own tactical name - The Hellstorm in a Teacup!

The long discussion about line of sight, indirect fire, and so forth has highlighted for me another thing I like about Stargrunt: the units *do* talk to each other and there are clear rules for how they share information. Especially for something like mortars or off-board artillery, where a specific unit has spent their action to call for indirect fire and the line-of-sight penalties are calculated from the unit calling in the strike, not the unit firing it. (This setup also allows for things like FOOs to work very well.)

Excellent one lads!

Bloody hell Black Reach for 45 quid and he feels old? He's still a youngling, I remember 2nd ed 40k and 4th ed WFB being 39.99 for the box sets and tbf to GW you got about 100 minis as well. Ace vid with another awesome guest, love it fellas. PS as a scouser with a massive beard I have to say I feel very seen Geoff (or Jeff, not seen it written down, soz). I just wish I had the luxuriant hair. I take more after Peachy in that department. Wish I could paint like him! Keep smashing out the superb videos guys.

I am building the Desolation squad on the backpack. I saw Tabletop Titans first, have to give credit.

# Justice for Peachy's Warcry Folder! As always great show and thanks for introducing a few of us to Hellstorm. I've not seen his content before but now I can deepdive.

Re the hole in the Dorn tank- I've seen some intuitive modelling done with it. People putting magnets inside to stow the various weapons options.

wow that may have been the fastest off topic ever. Good skills

Great episode

And this podcast gets even longer!!

Great Vid, Mikey great, looking forward to the pete the wargamer episode, Baldermort and auspex next? or would that be audio only :p

For terrain, I think Legion does it best. 30% of the board space in total coverage and there should be no clear lines of site from one setup zone to the other.

Until now i had The Last of us on HBO MAX and you on mondays. Well now i have only you to watch on mondays. You keep me happy with your chanel 😄👍

Great video lads 👏

Another great pod cast. With regards to play what you want ; I totally agree, if you’re not playing tournaments, just play from the current rule book as is. The problem, for me, is that GW appear to focus, far to much, on the competitive side of the game? Which makes casual gamers feel as the need to be playing the current tournament focused version, especially true of new players just getting into the game. This must be putting off a lot of newer players, due to the hard barrier to entry into the rule set? Here’s hoping 10th fixes this to some extent. 🤞🏻

Star Wars CCG reference. Amazing.

I believe that landspeeder/whirlwind strat was orginally a formation rule from 7th and was made a strat like a lot of formation rules

Got the same folder .. got all the cards ...... Same feeling

I think Battletech gets the level of complexity right when it comes to recon and information sharing, so there's enough to make it seem like your units are actually working and can communicate, but it doesn't get too bogged down in it

i'm a new listener and I'm currently catching up on episodes so i don't know if this has been asked yet. Are you boys going to have a franchise of Hive Guys: "Grox" burger and fries in your necromunda games?

The terrain fixes to stop an army getting destroyed first turn could be fixed with a better rule set. If you had unit by unit activation (Like Star Wars Legion) rather than one whole army has their turn then you take your turn.

Interesting discussion on the scenery thing, I wonder if anyone's seen the "rumours" of how 10th is actually changing terrain, I read it on DakkaDakka but it is quite similar to Pats idea, destructible terrain and what not.

When I was a kid Meadowhall had a Model zone too, it was great. I think it had a beatties too?

I put the holsters on my Black Templars. I have units that have shields, guns and melee weapons in their box and their rules. I do my best to be accurate in modeling but they still sell old monopose boxes that have 1/3 of the rules approved gear. GW need to remedy this for the extreme types.

You can use 3d printed parts for basing. Therefore tournament legal, even by warhammer world rules.

another good episode

Guys, I'm loving these chats on YT. I'm Spending my late evenings feeding my newborn son, and these videos really keep me going, thank you!

My biggest 10th Edition dream is we get new Space Marine Scouts. I’m that one guy that actually likes them and the Black Templars update to them got my hopes up.

Now I know how powerful Rogal Dorm’s bottom is; thank you for that.

1:50:40 hmm the discourse on this topic was very interesting 😉

I don’t give a damn that the Dorn tank doesn’t have a bottom. I’d rather have all the extra cool stuff. But it does bug me when people try to defend GW’s crazy prices by saying they make the best minis.

I hope we see an update to the tempest of war cards.

I actually like the Desolation squad. Marines should have ridiculously big, over-the-top guns sometimes!

I did my bit stopped using unrecyclable solar panels and storage batteries feel much better about myself now

I hope somebody told Geoff that everything he was talking about with spotters for indirect fire weapons has been in Horus Heresy in both the current and previous editions.

I feel like indirect weapons could just be "-1 to hit unless you can draw a line of sight to the target from a unit with the keyword [COMMS]" and then you can set COMMS per army. Space Marines: every marine. Guard: vehicles and any infantry with a vox. Tyranids: everything so long as a synapse creature is on the board. Orks: Any unit with a Nob or is a Boss (they can shout loud enough). Then they could tweak how effective each army is at indirect by how much of the army can spot for the indirect weapons.

My mate and I also entered a store painting competition at Uni (Orksmiff represent). We were the only entrants all day :D He won lol.

Me and my gaming group love star wars legion, please do some more painting for it if you enjoy it there are so few videos of easy to follow paint guides

Can someone please remind me. Of the two GW black contrast paints, which did Peachy say was best in a recent podcast? Templar or Legion?

Everyone else hear Jeff heavy breathing towards the end. Noice

I look forward to these videos each week. On the topic of negatively geared channels, I think I also know which one you're referring to, and I've had to erase it from my suggested videos as I really don't care about "how GW is going to start the apocalypse with its next release 😱" It gets repetitive and draining. Whereas channels like the Painting Phase actually make the hobby more inviting and less divisive.

Is there a chance we go to D12 or even D20, to allow for more power variation? Is it a good idea?

I wouldn't mind playing 7th rules again. Heresy 2 is close tho. Lots of warhammer players came in during the covid influx and don't have older books to pull from tho. But it isn't tough to find them at used book shops for less than lunch money cost.

First time I watched Mikey on KZfaq he was streaming from a paddling pool in his garden 😂

You mention the "white plastic". I own some of the original white plastic Orcs (yes Orcs not Orks). Also Goblins. If I sent one over how about a painting "challenge" for Peachy , given the lack of detail on the model itself :)

I agree with you completely peachy, one doesn't have to play the newest edition. I've stopped at 7th and still enjoy the game immensely. Not to mention I can't wrap my head around all this new ideas no blast templates no flamer templates no armor values. Quite frankly it just hurts my brain.

1:21:53 ah so Tyranids have a C3 network like in battletech. It's funny you mention all these rules about terrain. Battletech does a good job of modelling a lot of them already.

Up is to London, Down is from London.

Star Wars legion is very underrated, probably my favorite game at the moment

I believe but don’t fully remember that third edition box it came with a small rulebook. It was also the last addition I know of that came with reference sheets allowed you to quickly look up all your two hits and shooting end of those tables.

When do we see Byron from Artis Opus as a guest?

Yes! I haven’t watched this yet, I’m “working” but Mikey’s a solid guest to have on

Great show as always! Just curious - did Patrick grow REALLY tall? Everyone is looking up. :D

I take offence to the laughing at Orks 😢😢😢😢

I feel your warcry cards pain Peachy, I had them all for my nephew. So sad

1.03hrs in, do you guys still have a landline? :D

Unpopular opinion: I think the solution of 'play what you want' isn't so much a cop-out but an on-paper solution to an actual problem called playing narrative campaigns in stores is rolling rocks up hill. At least in my area, the comp crowd is so dominant, you aren't going to get a game in on the most popular 40k night unless you are coming up with a matched list. The store itself has tried to do narrative/Crusader campaigns and they have either failed outright, or fail soon after launch. Matched play people make the store the most money, and others end up just stopping attending the store for anything else. It's not fun for them, nor can they even find new players to play casually. If they play, they play at home and then no longer need to support the store. It is a problem.

Looks like they brought out the cheap biscuits for Mikey, There is some interesting biscuit politics afoot.

Personally for me I am old school and the "drama Alert" KZfaq BS is the worse aspect of the hobby to appear in the last few years. Because Often it is one sided BS from people who dont have the first clue about working at the global business level, or have been in company communications or had a business to run to any degree understand the process. It does zero for the hobby aside create a very one sided hate towards the company and worse leads to personal attacks on people in that company. It is done more often then not just to get views, on youtube which is all down to getting the advert money. Most of the people in the comments on those channels have zero interest in the hobby they more interested in attacking the company than aspects of the hobby. For me these channels are a hobby poison inflecting this sense of negativity into what should be a fun hobby. The world would be a much better place without them.

lol not going to lie, im a bit of an anti holer tbh, mostly because im hobbest and not really a gamer, so much tanks sits pride of place in a Glass cabinet on a glass shelf 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️ .. so rather have a bottom then some extra gun options myself lol. I have bought some resin darn bottoms to do the job for when i can get round to picking up the kit. the other kits like the SM buggy/go cart is smaller enough to go on a base so not really as much as an issue then a tank (which alot of people don't like to base, such as myself)

Awww man. Does Mikey still live in Sheff?