Tetramorre's hot take is available over at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mc6doLWj2deZnKM.html

As wise Governor Armstrong once said: "Nanomachines, son!"

This game was truly the first Spearing Fence game that paved way for the classics we have today.

I played Death Stranding a few months ago and the parallels to Survive are just fucking insane. Even down to miniscule shit like a mysterious, official-looking black guy with a weird name giving you orders (die-hardman and goodluck), or the focus on corpses and crystals. Personally, my guess is that Death Stranding is the game Kojima wanted to make for a while, and when Konami shitcanned him, he took the opportunity to make it for real.

You can say whatever you want about the game, but the fact that the Lord of Dust couldn't die because it "doesn't understand the concept of death" is fucking rad.

The fence and the spear are two of humankind's oldest tools. The spear to keep evil at bay, and the fence to bring that which is good closer.

The weirdest part of Survive is the people that worked on it, you have Masahiro Ito doing monster designs and the director of the game was the coding or gameplay director of MGS4. You mentioned the detection ring, and that was from 4 to assist with detecting where enemies were based on noise (given half the game is an active warzone) so I wonder if it was his idea and he carried it into Survive or what.

I know the views are low on this one, but this is one of your best vids to date. Tetramorre is a delight to have.

Tetramorre: "it is better than Metal Gear Solid 2." WHAT

They would have been fine if it had been a $10 or so expansion that just got added as a mode to MGSV

I was more upset over the overall tyranny going on (and is still going on) in Konami offices. They have cameras everywhere poised on their staff, the staff are expected to work overtime without pay, their toilet and food breaks are heavily regulated and their contracts are outright atrocious. What this entire circus told me was that on principle, I shouldn't buy any product from Konami. Kochima is just a side issue to me, something that underlines just how predatory the influential and the CEOs in Japan can be (a very prevalent issue btw). I prefer to focus on how they treat their general staff and it is... just downright awful. That is why I dislike Konami, because they, as a company, deserve as much criticism as is thrown at them, in fact, they could do with more (so long as the general staff isn't the target). The fact they are still standing and profiting with such awful setup for their staff is downright awful.

Still the funniest thing for me about PP that crazy fans predicted the main plot twist (you know which one) in Ground Zeroes long before release of PP.

People generally forget that Konami has been setting up for a transition in leadership. From a man who used to repair jukeboxes for a living to a guy with a business degree. The latter didn't really like how Kojima was given so much leeway or his rockstar attitude and lack of deference to his superiors in the company. On top of that there was a lot of flak being thrown at Kojima (as head of Konami Digital Entertainment) within Konami Holdings because he'd basically ignored the rise of the extremely profitable mobile market. There was a lot of mess going on there.

I kinda liked survive. Some of the stuff with the tower defense was really fun. MGS with melee weapons beyond knives or vibroswords is neat. It felt like dlc, but it wasnt the garbage everyone thought it was.

The zombies all look like they are wearing party hats.

Was so excited to watch a 4 hour mgs v video from a creator I didn't know until he hit me with that absolutely abysmal mgs 2 take right at the end

Seeing serious discussion on a much maligned game is needed thanks. Your content is the most thorough and "authoritative" I can point to.

You might be the only KZfaqr who I can both respect for having an opinion and disrespect for not having an opinion. This plague will never be stopped it seems

Y'know even as one of the weird Survive defenders, I can't say I've ever called it or heard it called better than a main line entry before.

I honestly have never cared about Metal Gear as a franchise, so I’ve always found it incredibly strange how people idolize Kojima for literally anything he does

I've played Survive for 590 hours. I paid $5 for it. The endgame is great and really deserves more attention. Like at 17:50 when you're talking about how annoying it is to individually extract a few hundred kuban each from the zombie corpses-- the game makes that so tedious and unrewarding as a way of spurring you to not do it. You're supposed to learn to get most of your kuban energy from multiplayer, from the salvage missions. You get tens of thousands of kuban for doing a mission on easy, and on extreme you'll be getting millions of kuban just for one S+ rank. Survive was originally conceived as basically the Metal Gear equivalent to Call of Duty's zombie mode--a mode intended for multiple players, not solo outings (except for the most hardcore). All this material is great criticism of the single player portion of the game, but if you consider that the single player was never intended to be part of the final product, and was made and added on in the tail end of the entire game's conception and production, I think a lot of things get put in a more understandable context. I also have to say at 19:30 the Exploration Teams have a really important use in the endgame which you seemed to overlook: like the rare Styptic powder, Titanium Alloy is also very hard to find in Survive's single player mode. Well, again, you're not meant to farm it that way. You can send your Exploration team off on missions near the end game to get huge amounts of these rare resources (there is a daily rotation for different material types), and it's only by using this team that I was able to keep enough Titanium in my inventory at all to use the highest level weapons and gear the game has to offer. Doing salvages gives you a supply of a little bit of almost every material in the game, so whatever you're getting from that is meant to be supplemented by your Exploration Teams. It's not useful at first because you don't have enough food and supplies to send a team out on the harder missions to gather these larger bounties of materials. Kind of wish you had mentioned that the game gives the player free SV coins for logging on during the weekends. V uses MB coins almost exactly like Survive uses SV coins. The extra resource gathering in both games is unlocked thru these currencies. An extra character is an extra base. I hear you when you're accusing the Survive Defenders of being victim of the sunk cost fallacy, but consider that maybe I've played almost 600 hours of this game because I simply enjoy beating zombies over their collective heads with a Jet Axe from Metal Gear Revengeance while wearing the Sneaking Suit from V, and that playing with up to 3 friends doing this is pretty good as far as "hamster wheels" go. I put in an extra $5 after I bought the game to afford an extra character slot and an extra loadout slot, and since then I've earned enough simply from logging in to buy a 3rd character slot. You don't actually have to pay to earn SV coins. 36 hours in Survive isn't even enough to get into the endgame loop. Did you play an Extreme salvage mission? You probably haven't seen all the game has to offer until you've felt the pressure of 10 lanes of wanderers, bombers, XOF gunners, trackers, a devastator, and Frostbite all bearing down on you and your team at once. This game was made with the multiplayer aspect primarily in mind, and the single player was added on in a rather short time span before its release. The single player campaign literally must be "survived" and, yes, it's a slog, it's hard, but it gets easier the entire way, and you don't really start to see the full game until you hit the endgame. You have 40 levels to gain in the main class, and 4 more subclasses of 29 levels each to earn and experience. (For reference it took me over 300 hours to max out all the subclasses.) You mentioned a few times in the video how few people made it thru the story--even fewer have made it to where the game we were intended to play really lies. You can like it or not, but it was damn fun for me to fight me way to my own slice of Heaven with Survive. Anyways, I know this is a long comment and I'm pretty critical, but I like this game and I've seen a lot of inaccurate information going around about it for a while now, so I just wanted to throw in how I see things since I didn't see much of my perspective in your video.

At the End of the Day... Kojima said, Metal Gear Rising 2 would have Nanomachine Zombies. And Konami thought "People like all of his Ideas, lets just do that!"

Patrician's musical cutaways continue to amuse me.

I would have given this game a chance and maybe even enjoyed it if it weren't for the fucking Microtransactions and online functions.

Its painful to hear V instead of 5. Why you doing this? Are we here just to suffer?

I really hope you read this, it’s one of the cooler facts I know about Kojima and his mentality about his development mindset that a lot of people overlook: You mention early on how not many people know Developers by name. Kojima recognized this. Except he recognized it back in the 80s. It’s why he put his name on so much stuff. It’s why he is so unabashedly in your face about his own personal marketing strategies. Because he came from an industry that would forget those who made it, and credit the publishing house and not the game developer. “You wouldn’t do it with the author of a book so why would he not?” That. So the very fact we know who he is, proves he was right all along. The only other prominent developers I know? Yoshi P, Uematsu, Soken ( ff game music for both of them) Sakurai, Miyamoto, and Miyazaki. That’s about it. And all of them do the same thing Kojima does to an extent. So the next time Darksyde Phil rages at Kojima it’s always fun to remember that the very fact he knows Kojima’s name gives him the winning hand. It’s awesome. I love it. I love it so much. He will be remembered. A legacy. And that’s awesome. I wish I would be remembered…

I unironically liked this game, only because of its setting. I aplaud the developers for what they did in the face of bureaucracy, lack of Hideo, and under the brutal thumb of Konami

I actually really tried liking this, but like, 20 hours in and like, I felt like I was still struggling, it felt like i never progressed and everything felt like a pain in the ass to do. This feels like a fan mod overhaul away of being a really fun survival game is what i took away from it.

"long man bad" I see you are a man of culture as well. Long live the Don

Goddamit Pat now I have to take a 15 minuet break due to going both blind and deaf, you should have put a warning that Yong Yeah and Rotund Sterling would be in this. Warn a guy next time

33:25 wait the nanomachine that keeps looping back in time to "Eat" instead of just eating the origin of the world makes more sense ??? wtf

"Better than MGS 2" are words usually met with curiosity and reason here in the online spaces, so I look forward to seeing that video! I subbed as soon as heard about the MGS V one since we like'em long around here, plus it was nice to have already done so before PatTV said anything. He done own me down here, I do as I please! Seriously, it was nice to see a different take on this game. I haven't played it, but the internet typically funnels the narrative about a game into being the best or worst. Having a nuanced take is probably difficult when most people already have their minds made up so the effort is appreciated!

Ngl why do u keep saying V its 5 my dude like good video but like do u dislike roman numerals and refuse to acknowledge that they correlate to numbers ?

guess we need a Death Stranding review now

4 Is a masterpiece and the multiplayer was so fun, I played thousands of hours of MGO2

God I love how all your video lengths are like perfect. Such a random thing I know xD

gezzzz, V = 5 not " vee"

I got it on discount it's honestly not as bad as everyone is saying. Its a solid game regardless. At the end of the day its still part kojima's old team. There's alot of fun gameplay mechanics and ideas wrapped up in it. Its pretty damn hard at times too. I'd give it a solid 7.5-8 out of 10. It honestly got some unfair hate since reviews of it are bearly a couple hours in. On the fly base defense and exploration is a pretty fun combo.

Endgame multiplayer is lit af. The gear and guns you get to use is crazy fun. Explosive and every element rounds, grim rounds for %200 crits. Legendary gear sets with some nice passives. Game at the start, is a trash fire. Game at the end in multiplayer, is really fun.

Had to go back and listen to that outro again. Pat really hit us with the inshallah 😂

0:52 on first glance i thought those crystals on the zombies heads were party hats

Was not expecting a Legally Blonde bit but thats a subscribe, fantastic.

Like V. It was too small, too short, and felt unfinished.

To quote a famous professional Among Us player, Metal Gear Survive was the first "Strand-Type" video game. And speaking of Konami sucking, man I hope Eiyuden Chronicle is good.

Really good video that helped me answer the questions i had with the game before buying it

Fun Fact, Kojima was fired because of money mismanagement and hiring over expensive Hollywood actors along with copyrighted music. There's also another fact, Kojima also funnel money to developed the PT demo which was the final straw for Konami.

Watching this makes me think that I would enjoy you doing a video on MGS2 specifically.

"This is really sad. And I love it" -Tetramorre and every other MGS fan.

I love Survive. It was my introduction to Metal Gear. It's cool, but hard. I have yet to experience the entirety of the game, partly because... The game begins where the story ends. Really, the story is basically a long tutorial/gear unlocking mechanism. The true meat of Survive is in the online ops, which are hard in solo. None of my friends have either ps4s or the game, and I never really wanted to Squad up with randoms from Brazil or North Africa, so I never could get to play online.

in 2031 i'm going to play metal gear survive, I swear it on blood. I don't care if the servers have been down for a decade I WILL FIND A WAY.

Legally blonde musical is a real sign of class

Is it my imagination or did Pat just recreate Laughing Wallaby?

Stealing vanity slots from terraria is like the best idea that almost every game with stat bonuses on equipment should consider

What was that musical song?

This is a game i would totally play but only as a free weekly epic games store game

Wait Metal Gear Survive's story is basically Fallout 1 + New Vegas : D.U.S.T?

Kojima did direct Metal Gear Survive, it’s called Death Stranding

23:25 You can pronounce it however you like, it's ancient Greek. Arr-kay-ah is usually how I say it, they're a kind of cousin to bacteria and only ever really come up in relation to microbiology.

Guys I have a question if anybody played this game, how do I spawn bosses? I have killed big mouth 1 time and then the other boss never spawned.

Anybody who says Survive is dumb bc it has zombies and wormholes definitely only played the intro of MGSV

I just watched the Tetramore 4 hour video the previous day neato

You are wrong about the "violates the basics of good UI design". Having the UI in the center is better becasue that's where the action is happening. So you can both focus on the gameplay and see the needed information at the same time. It might not matter much for this game, but for competetive games or MMO raids where there's a lot to track it can make all the difference. So it's not that this game has bad UI. It's that he UI doesn't do much for this game.

Great video. You should review another game though. 😁😁

Metal Gear Survive? That's a name I haven't heard in a long time

Lord of dust sounds like a dark souls boss

I said it then and I'll say it now: I'm just glad that Konami dropped the "Solid" suffix, putting Survive canonically outside of Kojima's part of the franchise.

I like how you bring other youtubers in.

Your voices are really similar to each other...

hello from 2031, the game is still working but the servers are all based out of Uzbekistan

Could someone help me with the rod and serpent trophy?

40 minutes on MG survive. Guess im in for a ride

39:26 So I suppose those are your patrons lying there face down in the dirt, yeah? I guess you do hold them hostage with your insightful commentary.

I didn't think MGS5's story was great, but I have no idea how much of the blame lies with Kojima and how much lies with Konami - it's surely some kind of split. However, coming up on almost a decade since it's release, I *still* think it is the best sandbox stealth 'em up (or shoot 'em up if that's how you prefer to roll) on the market. The variety of things you could do, the number of "oh, there's no way this is gon-- holy fuck, it actually worked!" moments - it was great. 2015 was a beautiful year for games: MGS5, SOMA, and Bloodborne; that's a blessed year.

Great video

5:48 - Deadnaming Stephonknee Sterling. 4 shame

Honestly... I really enjoyed Survive. It's corny, sure, its a janky game, and the story is dumb. But... it was fun, and as for it being corny and having a dumb story, I mean, have you /played/ a Metal Gear game before? MGS2 is one of my favorite games of all time, I love these games, but they are fucking ridiculous, even within the confines of their own series. Death Stranding was one of the most memorable games I've played in 2021 so far, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but that game is fucking DUMB. I dunno, like, I absolutely give individuals precedent over corporations, and even in the realm of big media corporations Konami is pretty despicable, but at the same time it feels like people didn't /really/ give this game a fair shake, and just painted over it with a boiler-plate 'konami bad kojima good kojima not involved survive bad'. Don't get me wrong, the game has flaws. Many, many flaws, but if you were to try to earnestly get critique from fans of the series, 85% of people would call it a 'fence spear sim', and the remainder... probably didn't play it at all, honestly. I really feel like they should've called this something else. Separate from the label of 'metal gear' and Konami's controversy at the time, and certainly a bit more development time to ensuring the matchmaking actually /worked/ (especially because, as many others have already stated, the endgame multiplayer stuff is the most fun), and I think it could've been a pretty unanimously good time. It's kind of an inside joke in my friend group to rib me over enjoying Survive, and that kinda sucks, because even WITHOUT modifying anything about the game itself; its janky melee, its janky online, 'generic' at best zombie types... purely just changing public perception over it, and it would be the EXACT sort of game we would all play obsessively after work for a good few weeks. I would say that I would honestly prefer picking up a copy (on, like, Kinguin or something, because keys are under $20 at worst and you don't have to give money to Konami), but at this point the best part of the game is impossible to actually enjoy unless you have premade groups, so... don't? Man speaks the truth early on in the video, just get something like Valheim instead, but... man, I did enjoy it while it lasted.

I think Kojima is a good game designer, but as a writer and storyteller there is much to be desired

I think people treat the game too harshly. I think that it has some of the best defensive combat of any game, period. The base assaults on the outposts and later the main base are baller as hell and no other game came close to them. Yeah, they needed more work and were deeply damaged by the attempt at moneygrubbing but they were still great in the core.

MGS Vee

I'm on my third playthrough of this game, deleting the avatar after the endgame, and emptying the storage, i really like stealthily moving around hoarding stuff and that survival stuff. Never bothered about the kojima debate, i play games that seem fun, my fun is not dictated by some drama the internet feels the need to shove in my face, i'm also a game developer and i appreciate the effort put in by whoever made this game to make it look and feel different than mgsv.

paid 5 dollars, have 118 hours as of writing this. will probably get on tomorrow and play some more of it. it's truly a good game in the end. maybe not a good METAL GEAR game. but it is a good game, labeling aside.

More like PatricianRadio... Because your videos are mostly an audio experience

Who the hell hates kojima? People either dont know him, love him, or side-eye him from a distance, maybe eyeroll.

If instead of zombies it was just other military forces from around the world, they could have had a 10x better game, if it had good missions, progression, and mechanics flat out a good game, they already had the blueprint for a hugely better game if they wanted to use it.

Good content right here.

whish you'd refered to mgsv less clinically, phanton pain is a mere 3 syllables, v sounds so awkward

maybe a year of polish and some better melee would have saved this game, i can say it was one of my favorite zombie survival games but the drama and severe lack of polish killed it.

Kinda So glad you’re not calling it 5

Just started a new playthrough this is great

the mgs engine would make a great medieval stealth action game focus on a fantastical 11ce

32:15 was that the PlayStation 2 boot up screen?

16% completion is way more than most games

5:16 - oh wow. I forgot about White Whang!

To be fair, being better than MGS 2 is a very low bar.

7:20 Metal Gear Survive would have gotten 10/10s and huge praises from fans if it was exactly the same game but had "Directed by Hideo Kojima" on it. Death Stranding would have had half the reception and middling praise if it didn't have "Directed by Hideo Kojima" on it. Gamers really are like brand fanatics sometimes. The kinds of people who'd pay 3x as much because it has an Adidas or Supreme logo on a jacket or watch. Doesn't matter if it's actually a shoddily designed product; they just want to throw money at the things they idolize.

konami can afford to make good metal gear games, kojima was a keystone, but his influence is not unrivelable, the right people with the right liberties could fill his creative shoes and maybe even outgrow them in several ways, but diehard fans will decry any perceived changes to the series as sacrilege.

Calling MGSV as MGS Vee...

MGS 5 didn't have zombies. They were soldiers taken over by parasites

I'm not a Kojima or MGS fan but I have never once heard people suggest that MGS4 was a drop in quality or that Kojima had dropped from his pedestal as this Tetramorre dude seems to be suggesting. Sounds more like a hardcore fan going off of his own take/the take of a few other hardcore fans as opposed to a popular consensus lol.

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