* analyses (singular:analysis) Not my intention to offend, only help! 😊

Constable 1976 Your use of ‘analytics’ was correct if you are referring the data analysis of Dr Grande’s viewership demographics, which it appears you were

I wish I found something like this at a young age, may help to identify and avoid troubled people..always a good thing

Oh, acting big man Dr Grande. Too cool to answer. Too cool for school ;P :)

J t yes. Dr. Grande analytics have got to range from all ages to all walks of life. I hope he does a video on this ;)

👏👏👏 Yes! Absolutely! This is exactly how politicians utilize The Hegelian Dialect (Problem - Reaction - Solution) to tug at the emotional heartstrings of individuals in order to gain notoriety, trust, votes and to sign laws into place IMMEDIATELY AFTER TRAGEDIES OCCUR, that ultimately are basically signing our rights away without people even being fully able to understand/comprehend what's occurring/they're agreeing & some times even demanding to. This is due to thinking off of one's emotional reaction rather than logically.

@@MrAnarchris And that's the basic argument against the death penalty.

@Sugar&Spice What Dr. Grande did not mention is he told her didn't want to hurt his family and SHE kept telling him they would be sad for a bit but would be better off without him. When someone is in a state of depression, that is the worst thing you can tell them.

​@@jenneacubero1036 Jon Venables and Robert Thompson murdered a toddler. This lady suggested her friend to kill himself. There's a difference.

@John Cleet "Civility is a fantasy" Only to those who don't enjoy engaging civilly.

I had similar things happen with a sibling. I'd get blamed for when they injured themselves because they said I "told them to do it," which I never did. Kids can be extremely manipulative. Sorry to read that happened to you, but thanks for sharing.

@@julesm9498 I understand. They never really change, do they?

@Shan Nonymous That sounds like the old horror stories from the 60s . Rod Serling wrote. Horrible torture. That poor kid. I had an older sister like that also.

Wow, you must have been a juror on the Casey Anthony and OJ trials.

Different scenario; I had a cousin who pretended she had a gun in her hands, and forced me into our uncle’s sheep barn. She knew I was terrified of those huge gross sheep! I was six years old! She also chased me up the jungle gym in her backyard, and I fell off in my scramble of terror and passed out from getting the wind knocked out of me. My aunt and uncle had zero sympathy for me, since my Mom had passed me off to them for the summer after her mental breakdown from my Dad divorcing her. Fast forward 45 years; my Mom died and my cousin couldn’t attend the funeral ( in her same hometown) because her daughter was going to an important football game that night. She was already a bad apple ( or at least pretty disturbed) from a very young age. I’m an only child, but I don’t need relationships that badly! We don’t communicate at all any longer.

Your a sweetheart. Don’t beat yourself up about it. Thank You for your service. Having ptsd is no joke. Constant hypervigelent. Terrible sleep but actually no rest. It’s normal to be grumpy.

My stepdad stopped drinking cold turkey and became a much better person. I didn't realize that was the problem since he didn't drink excessively, maybe as much as my dad who is just fine with alcohol, but his behavior is so much different now.

Very true 👍

This is a perfect example for all you numb skulls that say “he would’ve killed him self anyway”. YOU DONT KNOW!! She was still wrong and should’ve gotten more jail time while also going to a psych ward.

Thank you for your story! @Levi J sorry to hear about your struggles! You've overcome a lot and are doing good things... I also had major issues with substance and mental health problems that were out of control.. I served jail time several times and had to live in a halfway house and go to programs for years. Now I'm clean and follow the law and try to be the best person I can.. yes I agree! Some people can change it is possible but it requires self awareness and reflection which is difficult for some I've seen many people change for the good although some never did and never will.

OMG that IS cool!! 😄

Dr. Grande’s sense of humor is golden

Same!!!

😀 "Just speculating about what might be happening in a situation like this"

I want... 'I'm only speculating...' as well😁

I started thinking about suicide at age 6. Mental illness in children is real.

I used to babysit a girl at 4 with eatingdisorder

I'm so sorry to hear that, but you're right even babies can show signs of injury because of neglegt. So sad

I was suicidal at 7 and I started my eating disorder at 9. And I had really good parents 🤷🏻‍♀️

Unfortunately not now with the internet and TV....And lots of parents just let their kids watch anything...it plants thoughts. Got to watch their ear gate and eye gate..

OOOOOOOO YES! TONYA HARDING TONYA HARDING!!!!!

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I agree - it would be very interesting to hear Doctor Grande's analysis of that case ☺

@@marceef5028 haha!

Ohhhhhhh, good one!!!!

Perhaps that was always the case except no record was left when the discussion it was face to face or over telephone?

LOL has since taken on a new role of being a statement-softener. Friend of mine pointed that out to me years back and it's certainly true

They were just kids. Just what normal 18 year olds do. All he wanted someone his own age to hear him out because therapists weren't helping.

Wow, I think you're a bit misguided. You can unclench that fist around your pearls.

Or you could stop seeing and corresponding with them?

Well, we could speculate that they were both bonkers - both capable of random disturbing behavior. ( I am avoiding using the term "bat shit crazy" )

I would never think of telling someone to “get back into the truck” in the middle of a suicide attempt!

So someone is on the bridge and you think it’s okay to yell ‘jump’?!

@@sherunswithscissors - If it was a mentally ill person, it would probably be best to not yell at them at all

So true!

Couldn’t agree more. So tough no matter which way you look at it. The primary thing that bothered me was her playing both her friends and Conrad’s family. Regardless, they were two people who clearly should not have been involved with one another.

It's only logical because it didnt happen to a woman. I'm sure you'd be screaming for the mans death if the roles were reversed

@@redditors_are_fggits9607 Don’t project your weirdness onto this discussion.

Yeah God forbid people have emotions :)

I agree. They live through their children hoping for success and riches that they couldn’t do .

This would be super interesting!!

Yeah

I’m all for calling out Addison Rae’s mom and other moms like Myka Stauffer like more analysis of these narcissistic moms

That would be a laugh.!

I agree. It's bizarre why she continued being a part of that.

Agreed, but it takes some maturity to realize this, and ... a real lack going on here. Too bad nobody else was around to step in.

She had her own mental health problems. It was covered at the start. People don't always make the best choices, especially kids.

She lost her mind and I can’t believe they aren’t throwing everyone who ever said kys in prison!

@@alwaysyouramanda She did far more than that. She knew he was actually going through with it and talked him into getting back into the car. Regardless, no one should ever say kys. I have never said kill yourself to anyone. Please stop normalizing this.

@@tinaw.6178 I like Dorinda's saying better.

@@tinaw.6178 Much more memorable in that manner! 🤣

tina w. I had to google in order to find out the identity and significance of this Dorinda person. I still don’t understand the reference. I guess it would only make sense to people who watch “real housewives” shows.

That sounds like utter cowardice to me.

@@aethelyfel7573 When I was board, he'd tell me to go play on the freeway. You seem board.

He should do an analysis on them as well

Sounds like the father should shoulder more blame.

THANK YOU!!!!! So true

Agree, he must have been so lonely and didn't feel he had anyone else.

Um...I wouldn't say both parents are JUST as accountable. That's a ridiculous claim! Eyebrows is the culprit here but the dad is definitely to blame for some abuse. Yes, the mom should have done more but to hold her just as accountable as Eyebrows is ridiculous. You don't know the circumstances and you also don't know how much the mom did or didn't do. Let's end the assumptions here and just enjoy the video!

I think she wanted the attention imo, I haven’t read much about it and I’m curious of this analysis but the way she offered help to his family and the way she acted. I got the impression she felt invisible and wanted the attention she was getting from being poor sad Romeo.

Ha-ha, find him bent over, but not with worry! That's the load of gold he's deservedly raking in on this channel. I'll bet other psychiatrists are kicking themselves that they didn't see the attraction of such a channel. "Me on KZfaq? How low brow," they must've all told each other.

❤

Try and find content like his. You cannot. This stuff is off the chain💯

Pelagea ....Oh dear...don't you think he knows what he is doing? He is probably more stable than the majority of us.

He’s not even a psychiatrist.. he has a PhD in philosophy, giving him the Dr title.

Agree

Well she didn't have any mental health supports to help her cope with this. I have my own issues and have great mental health supports and would of known to nip that in the bud pretty damn quick.

Nevertheless, she should have tried to get him help especially when she knew he was in the process of trying to kill himself.

this was in the context of hundreds of other texts where she basically kept pushing him to kill himself. Stephanie Harlow reads dozens of text exchanges between them, and Michelle would just bring up pushing him to kill himself so frequently when he hadn't said anything about it. The ongoing encouragement in the many, many text messages to kill himself creates the context where even being on the phone and in contact with him all of that time in the car, which we know she was, and not calling for help, even if we can't prove she told him to get back in the car, warrants a conspiracy or manslaughter charge. It didn't seem that he was the one contacting her trying to get attention and threatening suicide, but rather that she wanted the attention and their conversations would sometimes turn to suicidal ideation, often at her urging.

Yes, when someone keeps threating something over and over and nothing you do or say helps then at some point you may get totally fed up and say something like she did (if she, in fact, said it), I'm not saying that was the right thing to do.

Had a now ex girlfriend who did the same as a way of manipulation. Its the most evil thing someone can say.

I know what you mean. I had a boyfriend who would didn’t accept our break up and kept calling me saying he was going to throw himself under a bus if I didn’t take him back. At the moment I had already been through so much emotional abuse from him, so much manipulation, I kept trying to stay away and he kept showing up at my house, stalking me at work and social events, that I simply had enough and told him to do whatever he wanted, but I wasn’t getting back together. He didn’t kill himself, but he only left me alone once he made up a story in his head that the reason for me leaving had to be infidelity. Now I know that I was in a very dangerous relationship with a covert narcissist, but back then there was not this kind of information, plus I was only a teenager. The worst is that people judge me and think he is such a wonderful, sensitive guy, who loved me very much; people have no idea how terrible and life sucking covert narcs are. I used to have nightmares in which he stalked me, I kept trying to escape and he would keep coming after me.

You tell the person you'll call 911, as they're saying they're a threat to themselves, and leave

i can understand saying it in the heat of the moment, fed up with the constant threats but she constantly brought it up to him. i read all the texts. she was asking him when he’s gonna do it and if he didn’t she said she was disappointed in him and he should try again. at one point she said, “oh do you think this is a good tweet to say after you’re dead?” “can you tweet something about me before you do it?” i think she enjoyed it.

They both had mental health issues, two people with severe issues should never get together or even be friends probably (speaking from experience)

They were BOTH MENTALLY ILL. I have totally shifted my view of these sorts of cases. I used to have the typical American judgemental hatred which is rooted in the need for blame and vengeance. I now see things differently. We don't adequately address mental illness in America. We are trained to rain down hatred and rage on these people. I have shifted my point of view.

@@michellevesely1629 The parents (understandably) need someone to blame. However, he had already attempted suicide, yet no one was monitoring his commuication....even clandestinely.....They had no idea that he was speaking DAILY about killing himself.

@@blackalien6873 , good point

@@blackalien6873 "typical American judgemental hatred" very much oof. pretty damn ignorant expression. being American has nothing to do with it. You still having some views to shift when it comes to the west. Tons of people aren't hateful or judgemental. Other countries that are much further behind are 10000x worse when it comes to mental illness. The judgemental hateful people are just dumb, dumb people are everywhere.

It's impossible to judge someone for how they grieve too, on both ends. The self-doubt it brings can be crippling and isolating. Unconditional love can be twisted sometimes and used to keep away reality. Experience teaches us to judge more clearly and react less to emotion. Thank you for sharing. I agree with you.

@@tashastarling870 Hey Tasha. I Really appreciate your thoughts. Thanks for replying. Enjoy your day.

If she was that tired of it than why not just break up.

@@leafyshempharvest2722 because things are NOT black and white.

@@kavitadeva they were not married.

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Tldr

Except that this young man was deeply depressed and felt totally hopeless and distraught! Your comparison does not fit this situation! There is a huge difference between someone being manipulative and someone severely depressed, seeing no hope! Yes, depressed people can be manipulative, some out of desperation, others deliberately! I don't believe this is the case here for either! He needed serious help pronto! He was in a deep hole he didn't know how to get out of! I wish Dr Grande talked about the childhood and how much care and help he was given by his parents and doctors, etc!

By desperation, I mean from desperation of their extreme low mood! Not as manipulative.. to save a relationship, etc..

I'm sorry you had to deal with that. However, here, this was in the context of hundreds of other texts where she basically kept pushing him to kill himself. Stephanie Harlow reads dozens of text exchanges between them, and Michelle would just bring up pushing him to kill himself so frequently when he hadn't said anything about it. The ongoing encouragement in the many, many text messages to kill himself creates the context where even being on the phone and in contact with him all of that time in the car, which we know she was, and not calling for help, even if we can't prove she told him to get back in the car, warrants a conspiracy or manslaughter charge. It didn't seem that he was the one contacting her trying to get attention and threatening suicide, but rather that she wanted the attention and their conversations would sometimes turn to suicidal ideation, often at her urging.

Given that, sadly, 25% of the population has suicidal ideation at some point in their lives, it’s an extremely common widespread issue. I definitely attribute the rise in suicidal ideation to the rise of social media. Seems like teen suicide (completed suicides) are on the rise since 2008, around the time social media sites really took off. Cyber bullying is a nasty new form of bullying that in many ways is worse than face-to-face bullying.

He really assumed we all have a strong will to live with that one lmao

Lol! I could see myself saying this. It's hard to be shocked by people these days & my adhd would have me concerned w the task part of the statement. The bomb part could click at anytime after...'here you go, $10... wait. What did you say?' 🤔

Was it a herpes bomb?

No, ya think?

Understatement of the year 😆

Ikr?! The Doctor is like a breath of fresh air! 🌈

Sir your videos are good but really scared us,please give solution as well incase of treatment and incase of best solution...

I also wonder about this

@Random Dude 😂😂😂😂😂

Yes! I would love to hear about this too!

Jesus must be around every corner in prisons! All the convicts seem to find him there...

Isolation can bring about 'soul searching' journeys. Maybe they do 'find god' but it doesn't mean they aren't still flawed. You'd think by this time, we'd stop putting this god thing on a pedestal and value human life more.

I just struggle with this because we know his home life was pretty screwed up. His dad had been arrested for beating him and apparently his mom didn’t care, or at least didn’t say anything, when she saw that he left a website open about how to kill yourself on his computer. He also made it very clear to her in his texts that he didn’t want her to tell anyone. Could he still be alive today if she had gone against his wishes and gotten him help? Maybe. But he could have also felt that the person he seemed to care the most about betrayed him and just made an already toxic family life worse, and been driven to suicide, or even deeper depression. This case is such a tough one for me it honestly hurts my head.

I know, right. People feeling sorry for her baffles my mind. Even if she couldn't put up with his suicide threats she didn't have to give him a nudge. I've read their entire communication and more than once he implied he can't go trough with the suicide and she pushed him to it saying she's disappointed in him. I don't think she just enjoyed the attention from this, I also think she likes the high from taking someone else's life without actually pulling the trigger.

Same here!!!!!!

well put i actually looked into a bit more when it happened, and even though i thought she should be punished to show this behavior wouldn't be tolerated, she needed help more than anything.

it does not matter if she started out supportive, she very quickly turned into someone who mocked and encouraged him to kill himself. that’s like saying an abusive partner was great and kind at first to excuse their abuse later in the relationship. i’m not saying that’s what you’re doing here but i don’t think we can say she was supportive of him when that support turned into manipulation.

@@yingyang2838 That is not what I was implying. I was not absolving her of any responsibility whatsoever. I said the documentary provided a context for the circumstances surrounding the relationship and Roy's suicide. It provided an explanation of the severity of mental illness that both Roy and Carter were experiencing. There is no doubt in my mind that Roy may have eventually killed himself with or without Carter at some point ...but Carter certainly facilitated it that night for certain. No one will ever know the full truth except for Carter. If you have not seen the documentary, I advise watching it.

@@yingyang2838 two years is quickly?

@@yingyang2838 But she wasn't his partner. They only saw each other in person a couple of times. And he was the one initially abusive as he kept telling her he was going to do it, then going off the grid for a couple of days to make her think he had done it causing her huge amounts of stress and worry, and getting pleasure from manipulating her emotions. Yes it was wrong what she did, but I don't think she was guilty of manslaughter. I think he would have done it anyway at some point.

You can't change a psychopath.

@@lf9341 u can though

@@officer_baitlyn A sociopath maybe. Not a psychopath.

Linda she’s not a psychopath

only if they kept doing it consistently five times a day for years..THAT'S the difference..saying something once in the heat of the moment is different than repeating it like a mantra for years on end

Where did you hear that? It was only in the last week of his life that she encouraged him to do it. I must look to see how long the trial went on for, but my guess is that I bet those spectators told her to kill herself more times than she told Conrad Roy to...

100 percent

I totally agree. This was a really tough one. I hope it gets out of your mind soon and you feel better. ❤️

Yep. If you don't suffer from depression you don't get it.

@upvote fairyI think it is a damaged person that can do something like encourage a person to get back into a car filled with carbon monoxide, someone either very disconnected, immature, or very sick and evil. I'm not sure about the morality or ethics, and I guess That we have to be very cautious when it comes to the LAW. Her not being capable in eyes of the law doesn't mean she doesn't have culpability in the sense of causation. Because she had the power to save as well as to be passive, or active in his f8nal destruction. I personally try to save lives. I have completed three suicide prevention courses because I want to not only be able to recognise someone on this type of distress and torment but to know how to act. And it's not that it don't respect a person's right to self annihilate. We can't project our description of PAIN upon someone. But if someone needs human connection and they are not getting it, how will they be able to feel any different than they do in the moments of desperation when they want to kill themselves. And I say kill themselves because.... it's often that... not wanting to die, bit to kill oneself! To annihilate that which is the omnipresence of dark, that lack of light, that lack of hope. You are not trying to solve someone s life problems in the moment you prevent them from moving forward with a plan to die, just to have them exist a day longer. Then a day longer.

So much to say, so few words that should be placed in a comment!!

"Culpable" ^ not capable :)

Any stress is awful when you already have dark thoughts/feelings, when someone makes you feel responsible for their life too it does get to be overwhelming.

There's a hotline to call not take matters in to your hands.

I dont agree, she shouldn't have encouraged him, period. If it's on him, then he should have done it by himself, but it wasn't by himself, she was encouraging him.

Have we ever imprisoned someone with mental problems who told others to commit a crime? Charles Manson! The Manson family didn’t have to listen to him, but they did and we still locked his ass up. Words have a profound effect on people.

@@GC-pq6vm Manson urged people to commit murder which is a crime. As Dr Grande mentioned in the video, suicide is not a crime, and I think that's the main distinction. I do think that things aren't generally black and white, and there are probably some cases where I would agree that someone should be charged for urging another to commit suicide, but this case isn't it in my opinion, especially since the girl in question had to endure her boyfriend threatening suicide for 2 years straight which is very abusive and traumatic.

magicalgirl yes, I agree, not an accurate comparison. But saying he did it on his own free will and what she said shouldn’t have mattered is not exactly the case. She should’ve told the family members and left him alone. I can understand his constant threats got emotionally taxing on her but she never should’ve told him to do it when he became hesitant.

​@@GC-pq6vm I agree with you, they both needed help, and what she did was definitely wrong, I'm just not sure to what degree we can prosecute behavior like this. If I make a dumb post online that goes viral and a few people tell me to kill myself, should they be prosecuted criminally? If we make it so that this is criminal behavior, then people should be prosecuted for attempted murder even if I don't commit suicide. What if I am terribly depressed and someone calls me mad ugly which ends up being the final straw for me? If an abuser constantly threatens with suicide, and finally one time his victim tells him to do it and the abuser actually does, should the victim be prosecuted? A lot of people might say no, the victim isn't guilty, so when does the victim become guilty? If she says it twice, three times? Obviously, I would say that a cult leader should be prosecuted if he gets 100 of his members to kill themselves because not only is that an atrocious crime, but also because he, as a leader, is in a clear position of power over the members, but where do we draw the line for other cases? I don't have these answers honestly, but I do believe that people are responsible for their own actions, and for this case that applies because Michelle had an equal relationship with Conrad (she was not his boss, teacher, abuser or anything like that) which is why I hold my current position. Also, Michelle was 17 at the time, which should be taken into an account.

its important to read the actual texts if you havent, it really is horrible and changes the way you view the case. she didnt 'just snap', it was relentless, over days and telling hhim how annd when to do it

Read the texts. It wasn't just once in a spur of the moment, she told him for months to "just do it" and even suggested the methods. Once, on an evening that they decided he would do it, he dropped off from conversation, she was panicking because she thought he killed himself without saying proper goodbye to her, not because she was distraught about him dying. When he later wrote that he just took some sleeping pills because he wanted to have a good night's sleep for the last time, she told him off. He would delay a few times more for different reasons, once admitting to her that he had second thoughts, and she berated him for it and told him to "just do it, don't think about it, just do it". To me, it's clear that he didn't really want to die, or at least he was scared to die. When he kept getting cold feet, she had a golden opportunity to make him cling to that fear and make him rethink it, but instead she kept telling him to "just do it". And ther's also the fact that on the day of his death, Conrad got scared when he felt the gas working and left the car, and she told him to get back in. She had already told one of her friends that he killed himself BEFORE he went to do it and she didn't want him to embarrass her. I know that Conrad kept talking about suicide long before his death and that it can ve very harmful to the person on the other end, if he was an adult, I would go as far as calling it emotional abuse. But I don't think he realized how toxic this kind of behavior was, he was just pouring his heart to her and maybe subtly asking for help. I can relate to this a lot because I was also suicidal when I was depressed and there was one friend whom I could vent to and I also told him about how I wanted to kill myself, though not as extensively as Conrad. I only realized years later what I must have put him through by talking like that. Teenagers just don't always have enough experience or insight to know how they can unintebtionally harm someone with their words. And then there's depression that just distorts the way someone thinks. But Michelle could have walked away. Instead she started enabling him and flat out bullying him into doing it, and it didn't last a day or a week, it went on for months. You'd think if he really wanted to die it wouldn't have taken her MONTHS to pressure him to do it. I think Michelle needs help just as Conrad did and I don't think she's beyond rehabilitation. But 15 months is not nearly a long enough sentence and there should have been some kind of mandatory therapy attendance in place, preferably for life. As it stands now, I think she could still do it to someone else.

Never thought of that but there was one time when my mom threatened to kill herself and I snapped, "Do it then!I don't care!" Because she threatened it so often and the reason she was threatening it that time was because i was moving out after she had called me screaming to help her throw away her stuff because she was a hoarder and i commented a week before that she needed to decide what was worth keeping. She ripped up my only photo of a child i had lost in her demented rage

@@Shirafune161 I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's one thing if it was an emotional outburst confined to one moment but this went on for MONTHS and she even helped plan his suicide. Dealing with a suicidal partner can be mentally draining and traumatizing but most people who cannot handle it decide to leave the relationship. Carter chose a much more morbid and immoral way of ending their relationship and cutting him out of her life. I understand what she must have gone through but I can't bring myself to sympathize with Carter because she didn't need to resort to such an evil act.

@@scootdude12 If you've read all the texts,you'll have seen how relentless he was texting day in day out about what he wanted to do and she told him for 2 years straight not to. He was emotionally and mentally manipulative and abusive to her. You can't take part of a story and twist it to suit your narrative.

yes, but you can also push its face in the water which is cruel and the opposite of helpful.

I read a lot of the text messages back when the trial was going on, I believe Roy said something to Carter along the lines of “the only way I could ever hate you is if you told someone”. Roy’s parents seemed kind of checked out from what I recall, and I believe his dad beat him. But his parents considered Michelle Carter 100% responsible for his death. They obviously knew about his past suicide attempts but had convinced themselves he was doing better.

Elizabeth Ann Yep...a lot of denial on his parents’ part. They have to believe Michelle is evil and drove him to it...in reality there was a lot more going on. The parents were/are in absolute denial.

Not everyone has a good relationship to their parents

SaurusRahwr We understand that...and that’s what we’re saying...the fact that he had little to no people in his life to count on, like his parents, played FAR more of a role in his suicide than Michelle ever did IMO.

Teens don't snitch. Against teen code

WHO ?!

just because someone has mental issues does not make them any less of a cold hearted person. you need to actually read the text messages instead of listening to one persons review of a documentary made to make her look more sympathetic.

yeee haaw text messages are words , you can’t base everything on just her words either

She actively encouaged him, helped him plan it, even when he desisted.

She helped alight she's alive getting the attention after pushing him verbally to end his life. Standing back and informing others who could've helped, that would've been enough help. But now, she's the center of the attention, we're talking about her, aren't we?

Are you dense? She wasn’t trying to help him, she told him to kill himself. Jesus Christ…

I don't feel sorry for him-he had his own issues. He played mind games with her too.