Microphone Disagreement? A Discussion of Microphones with Bandrew Scott of Podcastage

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In today’s episode we have a discussion with Bandrew Scott of the Podcastage KZfaq channel. Our focus is on one main question: Why do skilled audio engineers, mix engineers, production sound mixers, and podcast engineers have different opinions about a single microphone?
Check out Bandrew’s KZfaq Channels:
Podcastage - / @podcastage
Bandrew Says Podcast - / @bsp
#Microphone #Podcastage #Recording
If you’d like to learn how to make great dialogue audio for your film and video projects, please have a look at my courses at school.learnlightandsound.com including processing dialogue audio in Adobe Audition and DaVinci Resolve/Fairlight, recording sound, how to use the Zoom F4, F8, and F8n, and how to get the most from the Sound Devices MixPre series of recorders.
Gear used or mentioned in this episode. The links below are Amazon.com, B&H Photo, or other affiliate links. As an affiliate, I earn from qualifying purchases:
- Telefunken TF47 Multi-pattern Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone, Brandrew used this to record this episode - bhpho.to/39bx5k0
- TechZone Audio Stellar X2 Vintage Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone, Curtis used this to record this episode - techzoneaudioproducts.com/col...
- TechZone Audio Stellar X2 Large Diaphragm Condenser Microphone, better suited to darker voices without too much sibilance or articulation - Amazon geni.us/faYAzo3
- Samson Q2U, a very affordable dynamic USB microphone popular with podcasters - bhpho.to/2T90I0K Amazon geni.us/6uEgjz
- Audio Technica ATR2100x, a very affordable dynamic USB microphone popular with podcasters - bhpho.to/2I4frDU Amazon geni.us/MahmsLL
- Behringer C-1U, a very affordable condenser USB microphone popular with podcasters - bhpho.to/33Ec4xb Amazon geni.us/B3Wy
- Shure SM7B Broadcast Dynamic Microphone, better suited for brighter or sibilant voices - bhpho.to/2NTUZHi Amazon geni.us/GYU7dHy
- Electrovoice RE20 Broadcast Dynamic Microphone, better suited for darker voices - bhpho.to/2z4hAc2 Amazon geni.us/kP1lo
- Neumann U87ai Multi-pattern Large Diaphragm, legendary studio microphone - bhpho.to/3bdTCOE
- Sound Devices MixPre II Audio Recorder, Curtis used this as the preamp for his TZ Audio Microphone - B&H bhpho.to/2vXszYI
- Canon C200 Camera, Curtis used this for his side of the Skype call. Skype muddled up the frame rates which is why it looks jittery - B&H bhpho.to/2hBbpJt
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Copyright 2020, Curtis Judd

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@BoothJunkie 4 жыл бұрын

Good stuff gents! Great discussion and excellent points. Honored to be mentioned amongst your expertise!

@BoothJunkie 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSizeof posted one yesterday!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for you to join us on the next one!

@MARZILLI 4 жыл бұрын

Mike you’re the KING brother! ✌️

@techsavvydaddy5616 4 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd @BoothJunkie @BandrewScott - the three of you would make a must-see collab! would love to see that! You guys ROCK!

@MidnightGrind 3 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd You, Mike and Bandrew doing a discussion would be friggin awesome. Like the Justice League, only not so dark and with a levity that fits the tone.

@ropodope 4 жыл бұрын

no egos, no attitudes no one-upmanship. just mutual respect in a pleasing environment geared toward learning and understanding. wonderful. thank you both so much!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris.

@insanejughead 3 жыл бұрын

"one-upmanship" This is worthy of being added to my daily lexicon.

@JulianKrause 4 жыл бұрын

Now that's the crossover episode we have all been waiting for! 🎤🎧😁

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Julian!

@DarkPa1adin 4 жыл бұрын

waiting for you to join the conversation!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

NOTE: The video for this episode was recorded via Skype. As you can see, it "attempted" to "correct" the framerates of our cameras. Lesson learned. Next time we'll just record the video locally - a double ender for audio and video.

@eddie4a 4 жыл бұрын

Would you use Source Connect Now for the audio?

@LiraeNoir 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah unfortunately it's just better to record locally, especially the audio. Just use the videocall software to talk, and record locally, then edit it in post.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

We used Cleanfeed. Fortunately, that part worked ok 😀

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

@@LiraeNoir After several valiant attempt with various apps, I concur.

@scrummasterinblack 4 жыл бұрын

But how do you record the video if you record the audio locally?

@Matthew_Raymond 4 жыл бұрын

I can’t wait for a big “Infinite Crisis”-style crossover event, with Curtis, Bandrew, Gerald Undone, Mike Delgaudio, and a bunch of other audio KZfaqrs.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

That's a good idea!

@tbreit 4 жыл бұрын

Try for 9 people in a Brady Bunch window!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

@@tbreit I've got to get the video sorted. I think we'll need everyone to record locally.

@jeremyllewellyn 4 жыл бұрын

Ya I love the idea of larger cross channel round table talks like this. I like it on Curtis's channel as he seems like a good ring leader for this cohort.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyllewellyn 👍

@tbreit 4 жыл бұрын

Microphones "fit" voices like shoes - although a size 11 is the proper length to many men there are also 'wide' and 'narrow' versions needed to fit the last 10% of the users properly.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Good metaphor, thanks!

@Dracomies 4 жыл бұрын

Oh my god, I am framing this answer. It's such a great analogy.

@AllenHiggins 2 жыл бұрын

My two favourite audio people on the same stage. Love it.

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Allen.

@PianoPourTous 4 жыл бұрын

I love these two guys and it is a pure blessing to see them together in this video. Keep it up ! Greetings from France !

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Piano Pour Tous!

@BasicFilmmaker 4 жыл бұрын

Had me at “bass guitar”. 😁 Brilliant episode. You learn and practice to hear. This looks like a live session (???) and would be REALLY interested how it was produced, the feed, etc. as it looks and sounds most excellent. 👍👍👍

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

It was live only in the sense that I used Skype to record the video (not the audio) and it does some bad magic in its attempt to "correct" everyone's framerates. Next time I'll just have each of us record the video locally.

@mdsarfrazansari3167 3 жыл бұрын

Nh hi no no no X bhi co bhi bhi

@billkujawa 4 жыл бұрын

Room acoustics also plays an important role on your final recording depending on your mic choices. Great video!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Great point, thanks Bill.

@BasicFilmmaker 3 жыл бұрын

Great review as always. One thing I’ve always been impressed with on the Zoom H series is battery life. For under $400, this is a great deal. 👍

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

👍

@steveaustin8817 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks Curtis & Bandrew! I watch both of you for info on my audio / video needs. Really get a kick out of seeing you work together. Well done!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Steve!

@nhwine 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant production! I appreciate how you two collaborated to put this topic and discussion out there. Great discussion and advice.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Laurence!

@alexanderlyon 4 жыл бұрын

Love both of you guys. I've been following you both for a couple of years, I think. AND, I've purchased gear through your affiliate links! So, it's great to see the two of you together. Respect.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex!

@Jeff_369 4 жыл бұрын

Seriously! How could you dislike this video??? This was great guys! Yes I'm partial and I enjoy both of your channels, however this was some great info! Thank you guys!!!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Jeff!

@melankolikfilms 4 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh, please you two chat more often, and definitely bring Mike into the fold too. This was great.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

I hope so, too!

@GodlogicProject 4 жыл бұрын

Two of my favorite! Learned so much from you two! Thanks for what you do! God bless! -Rev Kev

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rev Kev!

@GodlogicProject 4 жыл бұрын

No problem... when I started the ‘Project’ I was a plumber. The learning curve was steep because I didnt speak the A/V language. You, Bandrew, and Mike were (still are) a huge help.

@thomaskovacs3502 Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t said it better!

@LiraeNoir 4 жыл бұрын

Nice episode, your back and forth with Bandrew was quite enjoyable. Even though I personally didn't learn anything this time, all good things to say for beginners. Nice job. And I'm waiting for the trio episode with Mike! :)

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@2ChukBuk 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Curtis...this is a great half hour of discussion. BIG thumbs up.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks teddy!

@billlord4203 2 жыл бұрын

So wonderful to see you gents pair up - straight up excellent conversation and information here. Nicely done!

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill 🎙

@Poodle_Ellie 4 жыл бұрын

I've always known this but you two both have excellent, EXCELLENT voice and diction. So comfortable to listen to and all the words sound so clear. Getting this from me IS something because I'm not even a native English speaker. I'm Korean. :D

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

@impatrickt 4 жыл бұрын

Never thought about ear shape when it comes to sound but it makes perfect sense.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@Kit2Canada 4 жыл бұрын

One of the few folks on YT 👍 automatically! Excellent information thank you.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kit!

@RavenWednesday 3 жыл бұрын

This was amazing to watch, played it twice.....Im trying hard to learn and love Podcastage channel, so glad I stumbled upon this great video and your channel now!

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Raven and welcome to the channel!

@ethankline3207 4 жыл бұрын

The crossover video I've been waiting for. Awesome!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@RafaelCruzPodcast 3 жыл бұрын

This is a treat!!! Thank you for doing this episode! Amazing

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rafael.

@Rivenworld 4 жыл бұрын

2 masters, head to head, love it, thanks for sharing.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rivenworld!

@Ehabmxd 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best channels .. And you are the one who made this channel unique with your knowledge and elegant style..

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ehab!

@xray111xxx 4 жыл бұрын

Wow how did I miss this? This is a great show to discuss what works out for your microphone selection. I still love the SM7B myself. Good to see both of you here.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@murraystechtime8530 4 жыл бұрын

Great video and information, this will open the eyes (well ears) for a bunch of people. I really liked the explanations...

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

2nd Time Tech thanks!

@AskJoe 4 жыл бұрын

It's great to see you guys in the same video. Great conversation.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Joe.

@TerraMagnus 4 жыл бұрын

I love this team-up and it should happen again. I think it would be brilliant for the two of you to do G.O.A.T. mic discussions at different price points & applications.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Great idea, I hope we can do that!

@andresff0 4 жыл бұрын

You both guys are amazing! Thanks to your advices I think I saved a lot on money when choosing my microphone.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Andrés!

@frankluo230 4 жыл бұрын

very informative and great views exchange. Thank you both for making this episode.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@paulheartsongs 2 жыл бұрын

Great interaction, guys. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 🇦🇺 💗

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@artjohnson01 4 жыл бұрын

Loved this dialogue! THANKS so much.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Art!

@IliasPanteliasGR 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video guys!!! Can't wait to see the next one!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@stephenbyrne7169 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for an interesting, helpful and wonderful conversation.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stephen.

@risingdawn5788 4 жыл бұрын

This is really interesting (and complex!) thankyou! Excellent content and production quality on your channel. I've just been getting into a bit of audiobook narration but I have a very soft, neither high nor low pitched (male) voice, so I'm trying to work out what the best option might be.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks RisingDawn and I hope you enjoy your journey finding the right mic for your narration work. Best wishes!

@GodlogicProject 4 жыл бұрын

I bought the Heil PR77 for the looks... got a big discount in a flash sale on Reverb... but really like the sound for my live interview podcast. Set up 3 guest seats with Samson Q2Us.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Nice combination.

@TransplantHelper 3 жыл бұрын

I’m a huge fan of both of your channels. I’m not sure how I missed this episode but I’m glad I found it great discussion

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@LawrenceArnell 3 жыл бұрын

This was great. Two of my favorites who I’ve learned so much from.

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Lawrence.

@RobKristjansson 4 жыл бұрын

Curtis, it was great seeing you and Bandrew nerd out about what you two do so well, but that we don't actually notice - the process and thinking behind reviewing a mic. It was like catching Siskel and Ebert BEFORE the movie, just talking shop! I can't wait to see another one of these interview sessions with Bandrew and/or another sound or film pro. Call it Set or Booth Talk with Curtis & ... Rob P.S. Boy, that Rob K does ask great questions - you have an amazing audience ;-)

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHA! Thanks so much for the question, Rob. This would not have happened without your help!

@RobKristjansson 4 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd you are very welcome. I'm glad I got to contribute!

@Cubasenet33 Жыл бұрын

What a pleasure, to listen such a gigantic two characters from the point of view of expertise, and humor as well :)

@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын

❤️

@makatron 4 жыл бұрын

Way too short, this is the colab I never knew I needed!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! Thanks!

@techsavvydaddy5616 4 жыл бұрын

Great topic...Loved the "FOLEY" reference, my wife too has gained a knack for looking at movies differently...

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@HappyPhilS 4 жыл бұрын

I think that if you hear a live band or orchestra, you will know what is making each individual sound. Having said that, actually playing various instruments, or just taking a music appreciation class can help tune up our hearing capabilities. Early on, you nailed it. The pitch and quality of individual voices will narrow down the choice of mic. Then, if you have been using microphones over the years, you will tire of the sound of the mic you have been using and then pick another.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the insights, Phil!

@thebusinessfirm9862 2 жыл бұрын

Curtis this video is superb. Bandrew brings so much to the table. Would be interested in seeing you interview Brian Miller from Audio For Content Creators. He’s an audio engineer that has helped me enormously control breath noises in my audio. Thanks for your brilliant content, mate. Steve.

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Steve. Good idea.

@framelessfilms 4 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this. A couple of points that could be added. 1) A good EQ can taper the frequency response of any good microphone to your liking. I worry more about pickup patterns and resonances than exact frequency curves because the frequency curve is fluid with any decent mic. 2) As far as “golden ears” goes, I am one who was born with wonderful hearing, but gradually lost it over time. Now my left ear doesn’t work at all, my right ear can’t hear past 12k, and my tinnitus is really bad, so I don’t hear noise floors at all (though I can see them on a meter). The more sensitive your hearing, the easier it is to damage so be careful! 3) Yes, Mike Delgaudio has a wonderful voice. Even the most crappy mics sound wonderful on his voice! 4) Distance miking is also important: You both had mics that were covering your face and prominent in the shot. For a lot of people, the best mic is the one with the pickup pattern that sounds the best from an off camera (or at least not prominent in the shot) distance. Good sound and noise rejection from off camera is the primary thing for many people. 5) Also, neither of you bop your heads around a lot. Neither do I. There are some bubbly KZfaq personalities that bounce all around the screen. Picking up within their spheres of movement while rejecting sound just outside of this is another big deal for a lot of people. 6) I personally LOVE noise cancelling headphones because it lets me monitor at much lower volume levels (which triggers my hyperacusis much less. With active NR engaged, the ambient noise floor drops and you just naturally listen at lower levels because you aren’t trying to get over the noise. If you don’t have a quiet space and you want to protect your ears, I highly recommend using them.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks framelessfilms, appreciate the input! All valid points.

@RichardLScott 3 жыл бұрын

I subscribe to both you guys and this is one of my favorite so far. Thanks

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Richard!

@MattMilla76 4 жыл бұрын

Incredible video you guys!!! Perfect audio too. LOL. I do love the Shure SM7B with that awesome radio announcer style voice. Sadly, I don't have that deep cadence. Probably in the middle.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Matt!

@BrendanEvan Жыл бұрын

My 2 favorite audio guys and I just found this 3 years after posting

@curtisjudd 11 ай бұрын

👍

@JuusoHoo 4 жыл бұрын

Great start 😂😃 good views on ones own voices and channels etc also the playback system!!!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@electronicbox6990 4 жыл бұрын

Hello guys! Great topic! I will give you my 2 main reasons. One of you record speach and other one music. Those are like black and white.Music all must be in the mix and in vo you have to be out of the mix and to project.Perfect example is Shure sm7b . I am also vo guy and I really hate it, but when I hear a vocal it sits in the mix great. Other main one are the headphones that we use. They are different and some more on this, when you hear yourself is one thing and when someone else listen you, he can have a different opinion.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

agreed, thanks!

@The_Guth 4 жыл бұрын

This was very informative and enjoyable guys. Thank you!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Guthrie!

@kimothemo 3 жыл бұрын

This should be longer. Loving the talk 😀

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Bandrew would ever consider talking with me again...

@TheGuitarWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a follower for both of you and I have learned a lot from you both thanks for your efforts

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ahmed, appreciate the feedback.

@TheGuitarWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome Chris, greetings from h UK

@nickglover 2 жыл бұрын

Something that I have found interesting over the years, that really comes from experience and understanding the application you're going for, is the idea of knowing what works in context vs out of context. Years ago, my band was starting to record an album and we took the time to put the vocalist in front of a bunch of different mics to see what worked best. Listening to nothing but his voice, we found that a cheap MXL mic sounded really great, possibly even better than a Neumann that we were borrowing. But when it came time to actually mix, it felt like nothing I did would get that MXL to work. But we went back and recorded with the Neumann and I barely had to do anything to it to get it to just sit right. That's probably not a concern for podcasts and talking head videos like you do, but it's a really sort of weird thing that a lot of people don't realize when they are shopping for a mic. Sometimes the thing that sounds best by itself just isn't the right fit in context.

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

Great insight, I completely agree. Thanks for sharing!

@kevinbatts2804 4 жыл бұрын

The two men I go to for all of my mic needs.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@MyJeanf 4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the video Curtis. Nice job

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@BBQCrasher 3 жыл бұрын

Rock solid. Beautiful recording. 2 of my favorite reviewers. Requesting Booth Junkie for the Trifecta.

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Done: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtl1nr2elt7NenU.html

@macspeedlite 3 жыл бұрын

great video! You are both fantastic content creators. it is a pleasure to see your teachings and reviews. What was the audio interface Brandrew used? congratulations, good job!

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gorka! I believe he used his Universal Audio Apollo x8.

@arthurw8054 4 жыл бұрын

Wow! My two favorite audio gear reviewers going head-to-head! I just got the notification and have not viewed this yet. But at some point today I look forward to watchily-watching to see what you guys diddly-did.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Arthur, the session was radily rad! I hope you enjoy it.

@markwiemels 4 жыл бұрын

What! My two favourite audio guys! (Excellent)

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@AlexD12345 4 жыл бұрын

Great show again! Thanks.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex!

@AnaloguePhoto 4 жыл бұрын

Really an amazingly awesome video. Make Mike join you guys for a future episode. So happy I noticed this video 👌🏻

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@m1kel 4 жыл бұрын

oh man 2 of the best audio guys! love this

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@akdm82 3 жыл бұрын

I am really enjoying this and I have enjoyed videos from both of you in the past too. I do have a question. Maybe I'm just being ignorant but why is Curtis' microphone at his eye level instead of lined up with his mouth? Is that a special type of microphone? Thanks

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Barry, that's a technique that I use to manage sibilance with particularly bright microphones - it is closer to the level of my nose. This seems to take the edge off of the sibilance.

@prabhuja7554 3 жыл бұрын

2 pillars of passionate audio love it

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

👍

@learnerforever6933 4 жыл бұрын

Massive thanks 🙏🏼 wonderful video. Yessss pleaaaase invite Booth Junkie man ASAP 👏🏼😍

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

I'll put him on speed dial right now! 😉

@learnerforever6933 4 жыл бұрын

Curtis Judd 👏🏼😂

@markpbowen 4 жыл бұрын

Great video guys. Thank you 🙏

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark.

@GermanViking 4 жыл бұрын

Man you guys are genius! What a great video! Stay safe!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks and wishing you safety and health as well!

@ChrisDavisTrumpet 4 жыл бұрын

Instantly liked the video based on the thumbnail alone!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha!

@YHRS 4 жыл бұрын

Nice job, fellas! A great reference on the internet is AudioTestKitchen.com, where you can compare over 300 microphones on several different sources. Those guys have a great concept going over there!

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will check that out!

@Rod-Wheeler 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@chazfaz3595 Жыл бұрын

Great vid. Curtis are you wearing Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro headphones?

@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын

Thanks, yes. 👍🎧

@chazfaz3595 Жыл бұрын

@@curtisjuddWow, Nice! I feel validated. From within my humble audio budget and framework of understanding, they seemed to stand out. Without much in my experience to compare them to, I am really pleased with my choice 😊. Just found your channel. But shout out to YTers and logical reviewers on the intemet like you guys, helping us choose what makes sense for us! Thankz

@redrobbosworkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Some great points discussed there, however I see one major omission - EQ. So many microphone reviews are effectively focusing on differences in tonal balance. Sure, even similarly named polar patterns will differ in reality between manufacturers and this along with factors such as self noise will impact the results. However, you can narrow the gap substantially between different mics with a little EQ. If I think of three mics from my collection - Rode M3 medium diaphragm electret, Shure SM57 dynamic and Lewitt 450 large diaphragm condenser - all can ve made to sound pretty similar with some EQ. Not the same, bit probably good enough such that many casual listeners will not hear a transition on spoken voice. EQ is usually free, and once established and saved as a preset it presents no real additional hassle when recording. It irks me somewhat when a sense that the primary audible difference between a £300 & £3000 mic is just a few dB deviation in the response curve. Qualitatively, is there really any difference between say a Rode NT1 and Neumann TLM103? - I contend not, it's just a slightly different frequency response choice.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Red Robbo. Sometimes good enough or close enough is good enough. I think at a technical level, there are some nuances but one must always ask whether it is worth the extra expense in terms of gear or time. If I can find a mic which complements my voice and requires less post work, that can be a worthwhile investment. On the other hand, applying a preset EQ in post can be fine if your workflow will always include post. Or if live, if you have the additional gear to apply EQ, that is perfectly legitimate as well. Thanks for the insight!

@dabj9546 4 жыл бұрын

Actually using the headphones you usually use is the best way to mix, even if they are not for monitoring. Our hearing adjusts, so if you have a casual pair of headphones for everyday stuff and a flat pair for mixing, you will obviously crank the bass a bit much on the flat headphones because in comparison the bass will probably sound too quiet.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the insight . I’ve had trouble getting video mixes to translate well to speakers that way but I do agree that our hearing adapts to some extent.

@playandteach 3 жыл бұрын

My hearing is now officially shot, but as an ex pro musician with thousands of recordings, I am aware of qualitative differences which survive hearing loss. The first thing is to lose your preconceptions. And take breaks. You can so easily lose focus and concentration over a very short period. These are good tips, so thanks. If it sounds crap, it is crap. The main issue for me is when people focus on recording sound (my dad used to do this) over content. Content will override any recording technique. I agree totally about headphones. Bizarrely the pair I bought on a trip to New York - a simple pair of Sony Studio Monitor headphones with a THICK cable makes such a difference - over 20 years ago are the best bang for buck. The other issue for me is that we can undervalue sync issues. When there is a lag between the video and the audio, the audio just sounds worse - even when it is exactly the same. The sync MAKES the audio sound real and true. A great, great sound out of sync is less believable. Thanks for the video folks.

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the insights!

@MrMixknob 3 жыл бұрын

I like you both guys. Good tricks. Keep up the good work.

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

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@caseyonlocation8257 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, Curtis! I've watched many vids from both of you over the past year. Question: How did you produce this video? Did each of you use your own camera at your own location for filming and you then did post editing to cut back and forth between each person speaking? I'm considering doing something similar (for podcasting) and using the Zoom video app whereby the Gallery view function enables the back and forth speaker view. I know there are paid online software that can also do this type of thing, but I don't want to pay for subscription service.

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

I just used Skype and bought the Ecamm Skype call recorder app then edited in post. It messed up the frame rates which is why it looks all jerky.

@caseyonlocation8257 3 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd So the Ecamm app is used in conjunction with Skype but you're saying it's not good because it messed up the frame rates? The Ecamm app was used to cut the scenes back and forth between you and the guest views? If you had to do it all over again, would you still use Skype plus the Ecamm app? Or something entirely different? Have you tried the Zoom conference app? Sorry for all the questions and thank you! :-)

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Casey Cheung the Ecamm app just recorded each of our video and audio feeds and then I cut between them in Final Cut Pro after the call. I would use a paid service like Riverside.fm next time.

@caseyonlocation8257 3 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis, you're *still* the best! :-)

@LiraeNoir 4 жыл бұрын

To go along with a theme of these last weeks, "gear doesn't matter as much as people think", "you don't need to buy über hardware to sound good", Alex Knickerbocker has an interesting KZfaq channel about sound and recording; and in last video he talked various thing with Dan Kremer (sound editor and designer for Mr Robot for example). And they both said the exact same thing, skills and work is much more important than gear. We don't need thousands dollars of mic, and again for recorder, and again for DAW plugin, especially to get started in the sound world. With the nice example of the show House M.D. having not an insignificant amount of sounds effects recorded with an iPhone :) And when they invest in pricey tools, one of the main thing is it allow them to work faster. A multi thousands dollar EQ plugin isn't really better sounding than most default one shipped with decent DAW, but sometimes when you're a pro doing post work, saving time on a tool you bring up 150 times an hour does help. If you haven't checked it, his channel is quite new but very interesting to get a different perspective on sound and audio recording (same as Mike's perspective is interesting because he's coming at this from the voiceover world).

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lirae! Alex’s channel is great, indeed.

@taspts 4 жыл бұрын

I got hearing aids and that made me realise that we hear what we expect to hear and with hearing aids I can choose between different hearing programs and what I hear is the room and that is important, not the frequency or amplitude and most sounds is more than a single frequency.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Hearing aids these days have come a long way!

@chrishowe8614 Жыл бұрын

I would add the all the different apps on cell phones seem to have different frequency responses. I recorded a work in progress song clip to show two different people, one on Line and the other on messenger. The vastly different frequency responses really surprised me. And, of course, they both used the same mic in my cell phone.

@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын

Interesting.

@Organplayer1947 2 жыл бұрын

Very entertaining guys!! Very informative!! No one has ever mentioned EQUIPMENT CALIBRATION! Is your 'dB' the same as the other fellow's? Also interconnecting cable quality and type. Maybe this comes under setup? Also the sound booth...there is NO standard,. Obviously there is no standard for 'good communications audio' (eg: vocals). THE OBVIOUS: I perceive these mic reviews to be SO VERY SUBJECTIVE. But you've done a great job to qualify 'subjective'.

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave.

@Alexandra-Rex 4 жыл бұрын

Bandrew explaining how he learned to hear the bass. I played TF2, mostly sniper, and died to spies a lot of course. At some point I started playing Spy a lot and learned the sound you make de-cloaking. After a while of that, when then playing sniper again, I ended up killing so many spies who de-cloaked to kill me, as I recognized the sound now and had a reflex reaction to it :P Very off topic, but kind of on topic. It just made me think of that right away :)

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

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@chriscarroll6447 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! I love the colab

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris!

@colinmorrison5119 4 жыл бұрын

As someone who was just getting into audio when he discovered he was quite deaf and quit, then a few years later realised he could use that knowledge to counteract it, hearing can't be overstated. Bandrew said he liked dark mics and I'd tend to be the same - those are the frequencies I'm used to hearing and am largely unimpaired in. My hearing really drops off from 2kHz plus. Women with fuller, deeper voices also sound better to me, for the same reason - they're in my aural sweet spot.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

👍 Thanks Colin - inspiring to hear that even with the hearing loss, you're still at it!

@courtcounselor 4 жыл бұрын

As a person who is a fan of all of your channels, please do more together! Bring on Mike too :-)

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

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@LivingSpiritism 4 жыл бұрын

Now I'll be looking forward to the next course available on learnlightandsound... the "Golden Ears" Training Regimen

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! My ears are silver at best.

@TheWatchman1893 3 жыл бұрын

Already made my mind, based on reviews and recommendation I'm going with the NT-1 and the Motu M2

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

That should be a nice combination.

@TheWatchman1893 3 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd thank you, it's the best I feel I can get within that budget in the UK, at around £400, so that's around 550-600 dollars, I would have preferred a dynamic but I'm worried about gain, and that would force me to pick between an SM7B, Procaster or the RE320 and really push the budget

@bloodmoney88 2 жыл бұрын

re recommending a mic for a voice. I was fortunate to record my voice with a few engineers, & myself, I chose the 57 to suit my voice, likely because I grew up with the 57 & can hear it clearly. Regarding your own voice... better to have someone else judge the mic for you, as they hear your voice live and can compare with that separation. As I said I chose the 57, but better than that, my good friend, & bass guitarist, tried an AKG C451 on my singing voice. Mid recording session he said "that's your mic!". So I bought one. It works better than the 57 for my singing voice. I still use the 57 for talking, & harmony singing, other instruments, just not solo or lead vocals.

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

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@gerrytessier2057 4 жыл бұрын

Curtis, when I first started my journey in audio, I was very concerned about picking the right starter mic then eventually a great forever mic. However, with live streams and podcasting, my concerns have escalated into improving sound treatment because post-processing isn't an option: channel strips, equalizers, mixers... needless to say that It's a rabbit hole. If someone was to build a sound chain for podcasting/live streams, what would you recommend as the "must-haves" and "nice-to-haves" and what would that list look like if it were prioritize by bang for buck? (and thanks for another great video!)

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Gerry, I've been using the Blackmagic Design ATEM Mini to process my audio for livestreams as covered here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oJqCf6ZzyZm1Zmg.html That's been working quite nicely for me so far and includes most of the things I need to sculpt the sound - EQ, compressor, expander, limiter. One could use an external channel strip like the dbx286s or a mixer with effects as well if preferred. And then there are the higher end interfaces from companies like Universal Audio which do real-time DSP processing with all of the same effects. There are a lot of ways to skin the cat, as they say, but I think the ATEM Mini is one of the more affordable since it can process the audio and acts as a capable 4 camera capture card/switcher.

@gerrytessier2057 4 жыл бұрын

@@curtisjudd Recently watched that video and I'm sold on the Mini, or rather the Mini Pro. Although I don't have a multi-camera setup, I think that either of those solutions will add much benefit to live streams. I picked up a dbx 286s last week to help with an upcoming live stream. I wanted to get the ATEM Mini but I can't find one to buy one. Crazy times. At least now, I can bring my whistles down with the 286s ;-) Thanks for always answering. Much appreciated.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, there's the availability issue. The dbx should do the job nicely! All but the EQ part.

@PJmusica Жыл бұрын

Interesting conversation. I like warm and round sounding microphones. I really like AT brand mics. Blue used to be good when they were made in Latvia 🇱🇻. There's also mic placement and preamps and EQ and compression etc. etc. a good singer usually sounds good on any microphone 😂

@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын

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@blogmugdotcom 3 жыл бұрын

The crispness of the audio qty blows my mind.

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

👍 🎧

@simongoode7025 4 жыл бұрын

Wow - I’m quickly becoming a fan of both your channels, and you both did a great job in this video. I personally wish you’d move the mics away from your faces as it would make the video more engaging, but I appreciate it’s likely that the podcast is your focus - not KZfaq. Hope you’re travelling ok with the corona challenges and stress.

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

Since we were specifically talking about microphones it seemed appropriate. Also, since we are not talking about narrative film in this case, and we are doing a live-steam format piece, microphones in the shot are quite common in these situations. In most of my KZfaq videos where I have a talking head/interview style setup, I boom a mic out of the frame.

@rawgus716 4 жыл бұрын

Great video love Bandrew

@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын

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@lewinalejandroespinal6770 2 жыл бұрын

Love these guys

@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын

❤️

@Just_Samson 3 жыл бұрын

This was an great vid with an Allstate cast in the comments. Totally epic

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks JUST SAMSON!

@DavidHdezES 3 жыл бұрын

To record video tutorials in my computer room, what do you think is a great "starter kit" microphone/pack that I can buy for less than $300? Thank you

@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын

I think a Samson Q2U would be a good place to start.