Middle Earth Battle Report! ~ Easterlings Vs Isengard

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2 жыл бұрын

In this week we take a break from the Conquest Champions League to just play a pick up game. Its Jim's 750 point Easterlings going up against my 750 points of Isengard. These were our practice lists for Australian Masters before it was unfortunately cancelled so its 750 points of pure competitive wargaming.
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@shanem6847
@shanem6847 2 жыл бұрын
When you said "I dont have a single shield in my army" and Jim replies "Really?!" but it gets a little cut off, I laughed out loud. The genuine shock and abrupt stop was perfect.
@niyin9576
@niyin9576 2 жыл бұрын
The rule about Heroic March AT THE DOUBLE! say, "once the Hero has completed their move, those affected models may also move, so long as they end their move within 6" of the Hero." so the affected models must finish their move within 6" of the hero who call the heroic march. 14:35
@NoobsandMen
@NoobsandMen 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic batrep as always mate, two of my favourite armies in Middle Earth! Loved the manoeuvring of this battle, really interesting to watch even without a lot of combat to begin with. Cannot believe the bad luck on Saruman's casting though, one of the best spellcasters in the game. But that bomb on the king *chefs kiss* so good. -Liam
@davet2325
@davet2325 2 жыл бұрын
Nice painted models, a great gaming board and a high quality battle report! Thank you! Well done again!
@charlessadlerii6205
@charlessadlerii6205 Жыл бұрын
This was so intensely strategic! I enjoyed it! I feel like I learned a lot! Also, both armies were lovely to look at!
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth 2 жыл бұрын
Bomb rules are weird. Would easterlings just sit back and watch a guy walk up and light a 500 kg bomb lol. Love the way you guys paint armies they look incredible.
@RosebushHere
@RosebushHere 2 жыл бұрын
Are these easterlings supposed to know that this thing is going ro explode like that? 😋 I think it would fit nicely actually, might've tried to stop it but wouldn't have made a real difference.. Like in Helm's Deep, one shot, not Legolas', but wasn't enough to stop it 🤔
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth 2 жыл бұрын
@@RosebushHere I can't think of any historical account of the enemy being allowed to slowly walk up and plant something infront of their line regardless of of they knew what it was or not. Also helms deep the bombs had already been slowly walked into place. Lego was just shooting the mad torch man.
@Scipionyxsam
@Scipionyxsam Ай бұрын
That's just "I go you go" rule systems for you. It's no weirder than cavalry letting itself get charged in the open by slow dwarves or missile troops taking turns shooting each other.
@timothyhafner5442
@timothyhafner5442 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the painting on your Easterlings especially the contrast. What painting techniques did you use?
@lazyvipurr4698
@lazyvipurr4698 Ай бұрын
You can see it on the models, just hard blending.
@Jewus19
@Jewus19 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice, thank you! Great armies, great Format
@dirtroadsandwoodstoves
@dirtroadsandwoodstoves 2 жыл бұрын
That was awesome. I love the sparse, limited terrain scenarios. I think it gives more of a sense of urgency, get across those wide spaces, long shots available. Great skirmish.
@asetanu1713
@asetanu1713 2 жыл бұрын
Easterlings are painted very pretty! Love the contrast with black and the purple-blue variation!
@malabor_paints
@malabor_paints 2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys! I'm glad I found your channel, I'm really digging the battle reports, the Conquest champions league and your army updates! My only request...anyway to boost the volume on the voiceovers? The videos are so low volume! Be loud and proud about crushing your enemies! LoL Thanks again and keep up the good work.
@43jayboe
@43jayboe 2 жыл бұрын
That board is looking fresh!
@ellanenish5999
@ellanenish5999 Жыл бұрын
One of the best battle reports on your channel
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I am a big fan of this one
@shishisei
@shishisei 2 жыл бұрын
04:22 easterlings archers are rarely seen because of how utterly mediocre they are. But, at higher points, often you cannot afford to not have a ranged threat. It would give the opponent complete freedom of maneuver. Although "mediocre" is a good definition for Easterling (saying this as an Easterling player)
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Jim's army is really interesting. He is the only person I have ever seen bring a full warband of archers in an Easterling force but it obviously works really well. He won a tournament with this army a few weeks after we recorded this battle report. Easterling's are very far from mediocre. I didn't think they were amazing and have rated them lowly myself in the past but they are one of the top preforming armies in Victoria this year getting two 1st places at tournaments. We haven't had as many tournaments as normal because we are locked down again but they have a lot of strengths. Their killing power comes from always having more attacks than their opponents with so many pikes and only having one back row of black dragons giving their fight 4 to the rest of the line makes the very points efficient.
@shishisei
@shishisei 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations My experience with Easterling are a 3rd place and a 1st place (Khand allied), which was quite a surprise for all parties involved, ours being a meta that reduced Easterling to a memetic status. Easterlings do a lot of things, but aside from the phalanx they don't really excel at many of them. The cavalry is one of the 3 in the game that has neither S4 (or access to it) nor access to 1+ to wound, mostly used as an anti-cavalry whenever the chariots can't reach their targets. The heroes lack access to S5 or +1 to wound with the exception of the Captain on foot. Khamul is a Nazgul on fell beast, but a mediocre caster. Amdur and the Dragon Knights have lots of special rules but get killed if the opponent manages to fart in their general direction. Easterlings really need a boost in the upcoming war in the north supplement. Personally, I've been waiting for the Dragon Emperor for years, since games workshop first released the Lore for Amdur and I can't wait for His Imperial Majesty to grace the tables...but at the same time, Easterlings and Khand look like a faction people really don't care for. I mean, we had Rosie Cotton before a Third Khandish Hero.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
I am very surprised that you think Easterlings are weak given that their very impressive tournament record. They outclass most factions based on their competitive play record. Here are a few of the reasons that I think they are so good. Easterling Cavalry doesn't have great hitting power but they have the best defence out of any cav in the game making them perfect for taking objectives. Easterlings have the best war drum as well. The war drum impacts all of their units whereas drums like the Isengard on only impact Uruk Hai, or Mordor only has a universal impact if its on a troll. On top of this its the cheapest drum as well. Their Phalanx is great.... If you use it as a phalanx. Very often people don't keep their troops 3 warriors deep. If you are striking at an enemy with 3 attacks you have great killing power but if you spread out and you have 1 on 1's your not getting value out of your pikes. Khamul is a great Wraith check out this video to see him used really well (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJN4p6SX35muqYU.html) He is worse at casting but can afford to throw more dice at each spell because he can regenerate them. Dragon knights I don't think are fantastic but they aren't a huge amount of points either. Dragon knights with D6, Glittering Horde Horse, the ability to shield, and not get knocked down are a lot more durable that you might think. For 65 points they are a similar cost to a lot of factions regular captains but out class them by a mile. On top of all this they also got the Acolyte warriors which are a great profile for 11 points. A lot of people didn't like them but I rate them pretty highly. You have a throwing weapon and 2 attacks meaning you can put out some serious damage and the +2 to climb test means that your army is even faster with these guys. If you compare them to units like Watchers of Karna or Corsair Reavers they are solid. Overall Easterlings are super powerful and pretty well loved. I am very keen to see what they get in the new supplement. I would love the Dragon Emperor and I reckon a supped up war priest that gets will points for killing enemies would be awesome!
@oblivion9202
@oblivion9202 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations tbh lings have a good core, kataprakts are very sturdy with their rule that gives the knight D7 and the horse D6, the footmen are good aswell. I think their biggest problem is the dragon knight and amdur being very squishy at D6 and 0 and 1 fate respectively. They are also overcosted when compared to heroes of the same league like suladan and eomer in amdur's case (he is just 15 points cheaper than kitted imrahil with his lance and a 12'' banner) or theoden/hurin in dragon knight's case. They also have some problems with the fight value, the blackdragon upgrade being 2 points means that we have 11 point lings which fall short to their equivalents in other factions like fountain court guard, thror's +1 strenght grimhammers or rohan's royal guards. I think they do well at arround 600-700 points when we can sneak khamul and his fell beast for the hitting power alongside amdur while having high numbers tho. Jordy is the living proof of that ahah
@chikkynuggy7522
@chikkynuggy7522 Жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations “easterling cavalry doesn’t have great hitting power but they have the best defense out of any fav in the game making them perfect for taking objectives” Reminds me of a game that I played against my brother’s Moria, seize the prize is the name I believe. I sent my cav war band out moving 15 a turn, arrived at the objective, dismounted a kataphract, dug up the artifact, jumped on to the drummers horse as a passenger and rode off at 15 inches a turn until I crossed the bord edge while the rest of my cavalry held up the goblins by charging them. I was able to win the game just by out running the goblins and luckily not getting shot off my horse, armor always helps.
@pookelywoo3954
@pookelywoo3954 2 жыл бұрын
Stunning armies! Hate to think how long all that NMM would have taken on the easterlings!
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
His army is incredible. I'll have to get his Defenders of Helms Deep army on as well its also stunning
@davidebasso1102
@davidebasso1102 2 жыл бұрын
Really an enjoyable battlerep!!!
@Adventurefamily1
@Adventurefamily1 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this one buddy good work 🤙
@chikkynuggy7522
@chikkynuggy7522 Жыл бұрын
23:25 I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure chariots have a shooting platform rule where mouvement doesn’t affect their shooting
@matthewkappos3602
@matthewkappos3602 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting tactical manoeuvring game. It is true that models that escape off the board count as being alive for the purposes of break/25%. This makes reconnoitre in general quite tricky because if 25% of your army escapes u have to quarter the enemy to end the game since it's no longer possible to quarter you. And if they wipe you whatever they have left gets to leave the board for free. Makes it a tough scenario imo. Would have been interesting to see how this game went if both sides needed all those extra kills because of the models that escaped.
@tabletopramblings5896
@tabletopramblings5896 2 жыл бұрын
Two phalanx armies - this should be awesome! Think Insengard might have the advantage here, though the scenario might give the drumming Easterlings an edge.
@jardinestirling1916
@jardinestirling1916 2 жыл бұрын
Great battle report :)
@oblivion9202
@oblivion9202 2 жыл бұрын
those NMM swords on the lings look amazing man
@charlienott6619
@charlienott6619 2 жыл бұрын
such a cool battle report this tournament is soo good
@charlienott6619
@charlienott6619 2 жыл бұрын
sorry not the tournament
@juju-bg8ie
@juju-bg8ie 2 жыл бұрын
beautiful tabletop and figs
@provostmorkane8034
@provostmorkane8034 2 жыл бұрын
great video!
@jamesa575
@jamesa575 2 жыл бұрын
I like the texture on the board is it grout mixed with bigger chunks of rock? How did you make and seal it?
@nightfall4031
@nightfall4031 2 жыл бұрын
ANOTHER GOOD AUSTRALIAN KZfaqR! WHERE ARE YOU ALL COMING FROM?
@christianrieckmann202
@christianrieckmann202 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Always enjoy your reports. A couple of things I noticed: Models that moved off the board edge do not count if checking for being quartered 2: why don’t you set grima up in the enemy force. This way they can’t kill him. Best regards from Germany
@peterm.9379
@peterm.9379 2 жыл бұрын
I think the king would have just run him over with the chariot.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment I don't set Grima up with the enemy becuase you can just surround him with a few models and he ends up trapped in the back of the board all game so its safer to keep him with me. Also the Chariot is able to run him over which wouldn't have been to hard for jim to set up
@christianrieckmann202
@christianrieckmann202 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations was not aware the chariot could do this. Great play then!
@benbrotherwood9128
@benbrotherwood9128 2 жыл бұрын
It surprises me more people do not ally in horseman with the King - cheap bow armed Cav that can be S4 (and they are already so low defence who cares about the risk of piercing strike). The Kataphrakts look over costed and lacking in utility by comparison.
@louise.4748
@louise.4748 2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME BR!
@maratsultanov9333
@maratsultanov9333 Жыл бұрын
Sorcerous blast. This power targets one enemy model within range. The target is blasted D6" directly away from the caster and knocked Prone. If the target comes into contact with another model that is Strength 5 or less, it will immediately stop and both models will be knocked Prone. But in game you knocked one more cataphract by cast
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. If you hit two models simultaneously then they are both hit by the sorcerous blast. That was the case with the Cataphracts
@magicalmagnus2
@magicalmagnus2 2 жыл бұрын
That is a sexy Easterling force, i want to see more of it
@SonsOfGondor1
@SonsOfGondor1 2 жыл бұрын
Curious why the drummer isn't in another warband? I assume it's so you can have a one-model drop in other scenarios so you can see what you're up against, but seems like it would have been helpful early on in this game . . .
@skeeter8326
@skeeter8326 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely should have pushed the chariot up to the rear of the clump - hit a few Uruks but primarily trapped the bomb in his own ranks
@timothyhafner5442
@timothyhafner5442 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@cjjulius4138
@cjjulius4138 2 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression and based off what a few groups have said sorcerers blast can only hit the initial target and 1 other not both
@Jewus19
@Jewus19 2 жыл бұрын
Watching saruman fail at Casting is painful. He needs to pull His massive weight. x(
@judgejudyandexecutioner.5223
@judgejudyandexecutioner.5223 2 жыл бұрын
Saruman is cheap for what he does IMO.
@Jewus19
@Jewus19 2 жыл бұрын
@@judgejudyandexecutioner.5223 He is a big chunk of your Army and If his first 3 spells do nothing and he rides off table shortly after then the enemy WILL start to overwhelm you or slip through your thin lines. Ive also played him and he did great things for me and never failed a cast but as i can see, that wont always be the case
@leiziru9642
@leiziru9642 Жыл бұрын
Run, Uruks, run!
@jtj31794
@jtj31794 Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, when you and the eatserlings first engaged and he moved his phalanx up, why didn’t he do a climb check on top of the rocks? Do ranged units not get a height advantage or better line of sight?
@chikkynuggy7522
@chikkynuggy7522 Жыл бұрын
They do get better line of sight but the game is a bit wonky so as far as I know being up high actually gives you less range because shooting is measured from the base of the shooter to the target in a strait line including depth. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@wizzpoper9219
@wizzpoper9219 2 жыл бұрын
I got my first middle earth sbg pack and its not bad
@QuimFreecss
@QuimFreecss Жыл бұрын
I love the green on the uruks! How did you paint it? I wanna try doing green armour on my Rivendell riders and that would give me some ideas
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations Жыл бұрын
My main paint that I used was Syrabite green from Games Workshop and I painted them in a classic basecoat wash highlight. I would love to see more green armies!
@QuimFreecss
@QuimFreecss Жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations Thanks that really helps. I was stuck thinking there had to be some metallic paint there and that you did some glazing magic over there haha, like I did with the Gold on my elves. I painted them with silver, then used the sand golem speed paint, and highlighted them with ice yellow from vallejo. Really love thath gold recipe
@TimvanderWeyden
@TimvanderWeyden 2 жыл бұрын
It is probably me, but where are the army lists? Love to see those (for any battle report of any creator, if someone is thinking of making their own videos ;) ).
@Venerablewolf
@Venerablewolf 2 жыл бұрын
that table is horrible for rolling dice. awesome battlerep guys!
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Hahah Its not great
@Mma-Guy
@Mma-Guy 2 жыл бұрын
Man if he kept the Easterlings theme the same as his king I think the army could have looked a lot better! Silver goes better with blue, and keep the war priest with a golden helmet idk haha even still the armys look awesome :)
@JakobDrawitsch
@JakobDrawitsch 2 жыл бұрын
At 17:26 you say that both of you had declared to drum but then Jim attacks your Urruks with Easterlings who would've been in the drum radius so not eligible to charge?
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
Jim drummer was on a kataphract who was on the far side with amdur so his troops were out of the 12" range of the drum
@Daylightgamers11
@Daylightgamers11 2 жыл бұрын
Fairly big mistake with Saruman casting transfix on the marching captain. He was out of will and staffs of power only give you free will until you’re out of will in your store.
@Spanner6054
@Spanner6054 2 жыл бұрын
That's not correct, a Staff of Power states you may Expend 1 Will point without taking from your Will store.
@Daylightgamers11
@Daylightgamers11 2 жыл бұрын
The fuck? Since when? Could’ve sworn it read ‘until your will store is depleted’. Maybe I’m thinking of an old version.
@Spanner6054
@Spanner6054 2 жыл бұрын
@@Daylightgamers11 yeah must be since the new edition
@Sierra117Masterchief00
@Sierra117Masterchief00 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, but are You sure that sharku hits with dagger FOR EVERY failed ti wound roll? I think not, the Rule state that he take ONE hit. Is there a note or a FAQ?
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
The FAQ on sharku is about striking Gulavhar or the watcher in the water. We got the rule correct here. This is how sharku works. Each attack is referred to as a strike and when you trap someone you double your strikes. Each time you resolve a strike against sharku that fails to wound he may make a strength 4 hit. This makes sharku a super powerful mid tier hero. In the film he did defeat Aragorn with this power!
@Sierra117Masterchief00
@Sierra117Masterchief00 2 жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations perfect thank You! Waiting for League report 🤙
@Elessar_King
@Elessar_King 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Amdur in reach of Grima's skill when both Saruman and Amdur declared heroic move? I think that you did not count Amdur spending 2 might points instead of 1..
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
We did count this we just didn't make a point of saying it. This is why it was so critical that Amdur got a might point for killing Grima
@Mma-Guy
@Mma-Guy 2 жыл бұрын
Game needs in the back shot, and also a stronger fight value for say when a unit is in half the shooting distance, or atleast within 8 inches 🤷‍♂️
@ArchangelTyrael
@ArchangelTyrael Жыл бұрын
32:52 was Saruman out of range? Otherwise, Amdur could have gotten some tasty wizard.
@MooseInThaHoose
@MooseInThaHoose 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't Amdur have 2M points for the combat after killing Shaku to get 1 back? Killing Grima would then give him 1M back for the move next turn!
@joshuaorourke1976
@joshuaorourke1976 2 жыл бұрын
Independent heroes (like the drummer) can go in another hero’s warband. So he didn’t need to be separate.
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
True, I like keeping mine seperate so in normal deployment I have a bit more control and can get a better idea of where my enemy is deployed before committing all of my army
@mediocreranger
@mediocreranger 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that chariot runs over the bomb team before it can do a thing! I always feel bad seeing Easterling pikes against Isengard pikes. Strength 4 makes a killer difference! I love the Easterling conversion to the Khandish king. Such a simple idea and I hadn't thought of that!
@skeeter8326
@skeeter8326 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think you did Sharku correctly, as in the instance of being trapped and a strike doubling if one of the dice wounds then the strike has wounded. The second roll where neither wounded would have resulted in one returned strike. That's just my suspicion not law
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations 2 жыл бұрын
When a model is trapped you double your strikes against them so one strike would double to two strikes so we did that correctly. I had to double check it before the game to make sure I knew how to play it. It makes it a really good rule especially against low strength high attack heroes like dernhelm
@colourschemer9885
@colourschemer9885 Жыл бұрын
Why is the stafff greeen? 😢
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations Жыл бұрын
A bigger question, why is the whole army green?
@colourschemer9885
@colourschemer9885 Жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations nah see, thats braesguard that makes sense if its bronze, fine, cool, BUT THE STAFF IS MADE OF WOOD WHY HAS IT OXCIDIZED!
@ConquestCreations
@ConquestCreations Жыл бұрын
@@colourschemer9885 Hahahah well just pretend that this Sauruman has a copper staff
@colourschemer9885
@colourschemer9885 Жыл бұрын
@@ConquestCreations thats i cant do, thats the point where my dissonance kicks in. xD its a contraction. not an addtion :P
@Mma-Guy
@Mma-Guy 2 жыл бұрын
Mate you guys are recording a battle report, take the time and make sure models are facing the right way 😜
@Nazgull2k1
@Nazgull2k1 2 жыл бұрын
25 minutes in before i turned it off... complete snorefest. Nobody does anything but walk in a straight line.
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