MIDI on the MiSTer FPGA 5 Ways - mt32-pi, Munt, FluidSynth, MidiLink and more!

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Ep 35 : Five methods to use MIDI on the MiSTer - from zero cost options that require no additional add-ons to using authentic gear, featuring side-by-side comparisons of the mt32-pi with real Roland MT-32 and SC-55 hardware!
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00:00 Introduction
00:32 MIDI and the Roland MT-32/SC-55
02:35 Munt, FluidSynth, and MidiLink
03:55 Option 1: The MiSTer’s ARM CPU
07:16 Option 2: Raspberry Pi OS
11:03 Option 3: Your Desktop PC
13:00 Option 4: The mt32-pi
24:02 Option 5: Using Real Hardware
26:13 Side-by-side Comparison
29:44 Conclusion

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@infinitecanadian
@infinitecanadian Жыл бұрын
I like the way the front panel display is emulated. I always liked that front panel display. And Leisure Suit Larry had a custom message for it?! Wow!
@LemonRush7777
@LemonRush7777 2 жыл бұрын
MT32pi is just amazing. Pretty cheap, too, all things considered (especially since a lot of people have a Raspberry Pi laying around unused they can use - I had a Pi3 that was gathering dust).
@Huddison
@Huddison 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating stuff - saved for later reference, for when I get my MISTer!
@SmokeMonster
@SmokeMonster Жыл бұрын
Awesome video 🤘
@-taz-
@-taz- 3 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking when I saw your MISTer video "what a great selection of artifacts... I'm surprised there's no MT-32 back there." Well, here it is!
@RecMirage
@RecMirage 3 жыл бұрын
Very very Nice!! Can’t wait to run Octamed 4 with this using the Amiga emulator!
@thebiggerbyte5991
@thebiggerbyte5991 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely informative and well-put-together video. Thanks!
@MixologistMilo
@MixologistMilo 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video covering miSTer! Thank you sir ✊👏
@WalrusFPGA
@WalrusFPGA 3 жыл бұрын
This is an *excellent* comparison video. Only thing I could have wished for is knowing which soundfont you were using to compare the SC-55. May have missed that part though, if you did say. Love that you didn't feel the need to fire up Monkey Island once, and instead shared some other classic Mt-32 games. I'll be sending people here for the MIDI overview on MiSTer, going forward. Thanks for putting this together.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, appreciate it! Haha yea, I intentionally avoided Monkey Island even though duke3d music found its way in :P I was using SC-55.sf2 provided by the midilink_updater.sh script, just copied over to the mt32-pi.
@danielwatkins83
@danielwatkins83 2 жыл бұрын
Was looking for some info on MiSTer MIDI support for the X68000 core and did not expect to see something this comprehensive on MIDI support for MiSTer in general. Excellent research and video. I didn't even know the MT-32 Pi even existed. I'm gonna set one up. Loved that you had the real hardware to test as well. Subbed and look forward to diving into your other videos. Cheers!
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad it was helpful! Coincidentally, I've been working on an X68000 core deep dive video that should be done early next week. It will cover the latest official release, how to set it up, and what currently is and isn't working, including a look at MIDI support.
@gaor
@gaor 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video.
@ediik
@ediik 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for the Video!
@tehshingen
@tehshingen 3 жыл бұрын
Ah good, I was gonna accuse you of adventure game company bias, until DOTT showed up ;-p
@TomVanDeusen
@TomVanDeusen 2 жыл бұрын
This was SO useful. Thank you.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@L0wcash
@L0wcash 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for giving in to populair demand!
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
Who I am to deny the people ;)
@gornway
@gornway 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this really helped me!
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin 2 жыл бұрын
I really hope the Sharp X68000 core gets picked back up at some point & fine tuned - That is one system that could REALLY take advantage of all these MIDI synthesizers.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
There's a pretty recent X68000 core that does with with external MIDI devices but some software is still pretty glitchy on it. I demo'd it briefly in the most recent MiSTer Updates (Fall 2021) video. It sounds like the core devs are taking another pass at it right now so maybe we'll see some big improvements soon.
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin 2 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv Hope so! Definitely would like to see everything run more stable.
@msthalamus2172
@msthalamus2172 Жыл бұрын
There's another option too. I think that little blue MIDI IO box ought to be able to connect to a Roland UM-ONE as well (these are somewhere around $50). This can then connect to any device with a USB port that can run any suitable MIDI emulator. I'm in the process of repurposing an old Mac Mini running WinXP and the Falcosoft Midi Player, connected from a Soundblaster 16 via a UM-ONE right now. It works great! I just heard the original Warcraft via the Arachno soundfont-- it sounds so much better than SB16 FM Synth-- night and day!
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I wasn't aware that the MiSTer had UM-One support at the time I made this video, but I did learn about it later! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/na2YjJqH2derc2w.html
@msthalamus2172
@msthalamus2172 Жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv Oh, missed that one. Thanks! :)
@juliengagnon9617
@juliengagnon9617 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I can confirm that the UM-ONE works out of the box for the MiSTer. Just set UART Mode to Midi and MidiLink to USB and you're good to go! I was surprised how easy it was.
@metachuko
@metachuko Жыл бұрын
This video is very informative, but I don't think the MT-32 Pi sends audio through the "DAC" to the MiSTer. The pinout on the MT-32 Pi Github page says the audio is I2S, which is digital.
@chadwolf3840
@chadwolf3840 3 жыл бұрын
So cool
@jefftatarchuk
@jefftatarchuk 3 жыл бұрын
geeezz King's Quest, Sam & Max, Leisure Suit Larry... take me way back!
@sketchy0078
@sketchy0078 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got an mt32 pi in the post and should drop in the next couple of days. Really looking forward to loosing weeks on the Amiga , Atari st and ao486 cores. I know that the Lucas arts games had midi sound tracks that I’ve never managed to hear back in the day. Thank you for this video dude. Really informative.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
y/w and enjoy your mt32-pi!
@sketchy0078
@sketchy0078 3 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv finished prepping my sd card yesterday. I think that loom will be my first Lucas arts game and gods will be my first Amiga title. I just picked up the remaster on switch (loom) so it will be a fun comparison to see how these games sound over how much remember them.
@Liafram
@Liafram 3 ай бұрын
Super cool video. I love the idea of running Munt on a nearby PC since it's a zero-cost solution. But then you only get Munt's output on the Mister FPGA. Does anyone know if a solution has been found for this (in the vein of zero-cost)?
@AdrianDX
@AdrianDX 2 жыл бұрын
MT32pi is pretty neat. But oh man. Those original machines do sound a lot better😵 I really don’t like where this is going for my space and wallet😂 Am I correct in understanding I could just load the SF2 files for say Ocarina of Time and use the MiSTer midi I/O with a midi keyboard and I’d get to play songs using the OoT soundfont? Or is a midi output required to do so? (No audio from the mister)?
@gameggu
@gameggu 2 жыл бұрын
감사합니다.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and thank you so much for your support!
@Keithjordan101
@Keithjordan101 Жыл бұрын
I'm a bit confused how you hook up the mixer from the MT32 to the Mister.
@39zack
@39zack 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the difference can have something to do with the dac in the pie not being that good.
@krunge
@krunge 2 жыл бұрын
Are there anywhere in Europe to buy the MT32-Pi Hat? UK is too expensive because of import fees...
@FDA81
@FDA81 3 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank for thi useful video. I'm struggling with the Windows way, anyway when I launch a midi from ao486 the sound doesn't come from MiSTer speakers but from PC one, is it intended to work in this way or I'm missing something? Thank you :)
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
That is correct, when you use Windows for MIDI, the sound will come from the MiSTer and the music will come from the PC. The only all-in-one solution right now is the mt32-pi.
@dh2032
@dh2032 2 жыл бұрын
question: at 28:00 , the midi, sound does is just play, the same midi, music, for each game level, or will it change, with events happening on screen,?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
The music in the original Doom is not dynamic, it just plays start-to-finish with each level having their own unique track.
@Elrinth
@Elrinth 11 ай бұрын
using option with real hardware... is there any way to get back the audio into the mister and mix it there? or do I have to take the hdmiout of the mister and mix into that?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 11 ай бұрын
I'm not aware of any way to bring audio from an external source back into the MiSTer for mixing. I think using an external mixer is your best bet. If you have an I/O board you can take the audio from there instead of using an HDMI break-out as well.
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin 2 жыл бұрын
For DOOM in particular I could definitely tell the difference between the real hardware & emulated. The real hardware seemed to have a rolloff on each note that sounded really nice, while the emulated version did not & did not sound as nice as a result. Am not sure if that could come down to setup or what but it's notable. Is there any reason the MISTer itself couldn't emulate the MT-32 itself for DOOM without issues? I noticed you didn't do a comparison for that for some reason.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
The MiSTer's ARM CPU should be able to do a good job running Fluidsynth and producing the same audio as the MT-32 in the case of Doom. Not sure how the de-10 nano's DAC compares to the one in the MT-32, but the software generating the music would be identical. It may suffer from the occasional skip or slow-down though.
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin 2 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv Well yeah but there are far more factors than just the way the CPU processes it. The output could still sound totally different. Would really love to have seen that comparison done and I think a lot of others would too, so we can really see how the MISTer doing MT-32 sounds compared to the real thing.
@souljastation5463
@souljastation5463 2 жыл бұрын
Also, the left and right channels seemed swapped. Aside from that, to me MT32-Pi sounded muffled and with less stereo separation compared to the original.
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin 2 жыл бұрын
@@souljastation5463 Yeah, the Emulation certainly isn't perfect. However it's greal to have the option nonetheless. There will always be a benefit for those willing to shell out for the OG hardware & I kind of like it that way.
@souljastation5463
@souljastation5463 2 жыл бұрын
@@skins4thewin I agree, although in this case it shouldn't be hard to solve the problem. I don't think that this is an emulation problem, it could be solved by just tweaking the audio output of the Pi itself.
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 3 жыл бұрын
Mystifying MIDI on the MiSTer!
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
I had hoped it would be more of the demystifying variety :P
@temporarilyoffline
@temporarilyoffline 3 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv I guess my "clever muscles" weren't strong enough on this one. I'll do better next time ;-)
@overdriver99
@overdriver99 3 жыл бұрын
your video is always excellent!!! thank you so much for MT-32 pi. I had no idea that it CAN be used with other computer system like Atari ST & Amiga. how about Japanese x6800 series ? I wish I know which game on each system supports MIDI module/ MT-32 pi. your video always covers the most important thing I really appreciate it. only my nitpicking is the choice of Doom music... come one man.. you can select better signature Doom music :) LOL
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The X68000 core is a work in-progress. The wiki page doesn't indicate that midi support has been implemented, but tbh I haven't tried it myself yet. Hopefully some day it will. Here's a place to start for games with mt32 support: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MT-32-compatible_computer_games Haha, for Doom I wanted to steer clear of the most commonly heard levels :P
@LemonRush7777
@LemonRush7777 2 жыл бұрын
It does work with it, in case you still want an answer. The music sounds amazing with it.
@frankowalker4662
@frankowalker4662 Жыл бұрын
Will the Mister MIDI work with the Mister emulating the Amiga A1200 running OctaMed ?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
I haven't tried it myself but that should definitely work with both emulated and real MIDI hardware.
@suitandtieguy
@suitandtieguy 2 жыл бұрын
Is anyone using MiSTer to run vintage MIDI sequencers like Creator on the ST engine?
@iamdkk
@iamdkk 3 жыл бұрын
Wow great vid. I have a MT32-pi but no idea I could just plug it in to the MiSTer!
@WalrusFPGA
@WalrusFPGA 3 жыл бұрын
You'll need a short length USB3 cable for proper functioning through MiSTer's userIO port. visit the mt32-pi wiki to see a list of known good cables. Many of them are not good enough quality to carry the signal with stability, so this part is important. You'll also need to modify a couple things in the ini (again, info in the wiki), maybe just make a second ini for when you use MiSTer, to quick swap. So it's slightly more complicated than "just plugging it in", but not very.
@gklinger
@gklinger 3 жыл бұрын
Do you suppose that using a faster and/or overclocked Pi would overcome the stuttering? That being said, it looks like the Mt32-pi had won't fit on a Pi with a heatsink or a fan so I don't know if that's possible. So many other questions pop to mind. Time to do some research. Thanks for the video!
@WalrusFPGA
@WalrusFPGA 3 жыл бұрын
the pi wasnt stuttering in this video, that was the ARM processor on MiSTer, which is generally only used for IO and linux/menu stuff, not really powerful enough for proper munt emulation. pi 3a+ or greater will have no issues.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
You should have no issues with Munt when using a Pi 3 or above. You can probably use a short ribbon cable extension to attach the mt32-pi if it won't fit due to your heatsink/fan, something like this www.adafruit.com/product/4823.
@gklinger
@gklinger 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to both of you for the advice.
@Ragesauce
@Ragesauce 3 жыл бұрын
So you can't use something like the UM-ONE and connect directly?
@WalrusFPGA
@WalrusFPGA 3 жыл бұрын
yes you can use the UM-ONE. I've heard a couple people say they've used that with MiSTer.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
An oversight on my part, sorry!
@Ziggurat1
@Ziggurat1 3 жыл бұрын
I was confused when the video ended and I hadn't heard monkey Island yet
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
😝
@Zionfarm
@Zionfarm 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have to download the AO486 core? I don’t see it in my computer list of systems.
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
Running the update script should download the rbf file you need, but you will still need to place the boot ROMs on your sdcard. A better option would be to use the Update All script which will install the core and the ROMs.
@Zionfarm
@Zionfarm 3 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv I did the update all but still didn’t see that AO 46 or 48 core.
@gcolombelli
@gcolombelli 6 ай бұрын
@@Zionfarm You probably figured this out already, but in case anyone comes wondering about the same... ao486 is the name of the core, but on the menu it shows up as PC (486SX) under the Computer folder, not to be confused with the PC-8801 or PC/XT cores.
@EmperorStorky
@EmperorStorky 3 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend to use a dac between the mister and the speakers? If so which one would you recommend?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried any external DACs with the MiSTer. I've been quite happy with the sound quality coming out of the device, especially considering the nature of the systems it's emulating! The mt32-pi supports a variety of i2s DACs, listed here: github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi/wiki/I%C2%B2S-DACs
@axelkusanagi4139
@axelkusanagi4139 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely recommend it if you're playing any console or arcade cores. The sound out of the analog board sounds horrible to the point that I thought something was wrong with my MiSTer.
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 3 жыл бұрын
10:43 How do you get voiceover with MIDI?! If that’s just Sound Blaster mixed with MIDI, why didn’t they compose with Sound Blaster in the first place?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
In the case of the video, I screen/audio captured the MiSTer and the Pi separately and recombined the two in post. IRL, you'd have to mix the audio output of both devices together. You could totally just use the Sound Blaster's OPL2 (AdLib) FM synthesis to hear the midi music, but that defeats the purpose having a high end sample-based midi synth :)
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 3 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv Thanks. I realized that as I let the video play but I was confused for longer than I should have been since some games like Doom didn’t have the SFX mixed in. :)
@brentgreeff1115
@brentgreeff1115 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video, but dont think I get it. - If MIDI in this case, is just sample playback - and the soundblaster can do sample playback - then whats the diff. - FM synthesis is not sample playback, but I thought that had more to do with consoles like the MegaDrive, which is mostly just FM synth. - Of course a hardware midi device would be different - since that would have its own sounds. - yea... I dont get it. I remember getting my first Soundblaster card & playing Warcraft - wow - real orchestral music - not just bloeps & bleeps.
@brentgreeff1115
@brentgreeff1115 3 жыл бұрын
Wait - I slept on it, & I guess there are some games which are only MIDI compatible - and if we dont have a device to connect to - we get no sound at all? - is that the issue? - What about games that are soundblaster compatible? - do we need a similar "device" to make them work?
@emmettturner9452
@emmettturner9452 3 жыл бұрын
@@brentgreeff1115 The Sound Blaster and other devices emulate MIDI and playback samples but they won’t exactly match the MIDI devices some games were composed on, like the games composed for Roland hardware. Just seems weird to me that they wouldn’t compose for Sound Blaster if they still needed it for sound effects and voice clips.
@Reaperman4711
@Reaperman4711 2 жыл бұрын
So how does one disable midilink once the install script runs?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't appear that the midilink updater script creates any init.d startup files on the underlying Linux OS, it just drops some binaries in places. I haven't dug any deeper than that, but my guess is, if you don't set your core to use local midi, the binaries won't get executed. If you remove /sbin/midilink and /sbin/mlinkutil manually, plus the /media/fat/linux/mt32-rom-data/ and /media/fat/linux/soundfonts/ directories, that'd probably be clean enough.
@retromister81
@retromister81 3 жыл бұрын
hi i did it as you explained: Installed midi Started A486 Selected local with fluidsynth in UAT Started Duke Nukem 3D setup Selected sound can as for music But no sound What am i missing?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds like you covered all the bases. Did you perform a cold reboot after the install just for good measure? If you SSH into the MiSTer while the 486 core is running and type: "ps -e | grep midilink" (without quotes) do you see it running? You can also grep for "mt32d" or "fluidsynth" when you have one or the other selected to see if the processes started up properly.
@retromister81
@retromister81 3 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv how do i ssh into the mister with a macbook?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
@@retromister81 On the Mister, get into the f12 menu (win-f12 in ao486) and arrow left to see the IP address. On your Mac, fire up iTerm and at the prompt type "ssh root@x.x.x.x" substituting the IP address at the end. Default root password is the number 1.
@axelkusanagi4139
@axelkusanagi4139 2 жыл бұрын
Are any of the switches on your MiSTer on?
@infinitecanadian
@infinitecanadian Жыл бұрын
Your version of Wing Commander II seemed to be running very slow.
@googleboughtmee
@googleboughtmee 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I wasn't expecting the comparisons to sound so different. The first track it sounded like the mt32-pi was missing the reverb and then the last one sounded like it had way too much. The balance and panning of the instruments seemed pretty different too. The second one was good though. Also the Sam & Max part at 20:11 has the music so loud you can't really hear the sound effects, I thought they were missing at first.
@seamistseamist
@seamistseamist 2 жыл бұрын
Does the MT-32 Pi improve non pc games like nes, snes, genesis, etc?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
It does not. It only works with systems that had some kind of built-in or add-on MIDI interface and software that was designed to take advantage of it.
@seamistseamist
@seamistseamist 2 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv Ah, okay. Unrelated, but is the cable that comes with the hat from MiSTeraddons too small and needing a replacement?
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 2 жыл бұрын
@@seamistseamist The serial cable for the MT32-pi hat is short by design. Here's what the wiki has to say about that: Whether you are connecting the Raspberry Pi to the MiSTer using an off-the-shelf USB 3.0 A-A cable and the MiSTer HAT PCB, or with home-made cabling (e.g. cutting up a USB 3.0 cable or using jumper wires), you must use a short cable to ensure reliable operation. This is because I²C is not really designed to be used over lengths of cable, and so signal degradation can occur due to capacitance in the cable and/or signal reflection. If you experience a corrupted OLED screen display or erratic synth switching behavior (e.g. as in issue #59), try a shorter cable. The maximum USB cable length that has been tested successfully is ~50cm, and so this should be considered an "extreme" configuration. It is recommended that you try to find a cable
@seamistseamist
@seamistseamist 2 жыл бұрын
@@retrobitstv Alright, but it looks like stress is being put on the cable in every image where it is shown being used with the pack in cable
@zgolkar
@zgolkar 3 жыл бұрын
Real hardware has a much greater reverb / sound depth... I thought they would sound the same.... so the emulation is not yet there?
@WalrusFPGA
@WalrusFPGA 3 жыл бұрын
there were many samples of different configurations demonstrated in this video. what specifically were you referring to? SC-55 sounded the most different to me, but that can vary *wildly* depending on the soundfont you use. I suggest using AudioFabric for the most accurate option.
@zgolkar
@zgolkar 3 жыл бұрын
@@WalrusFPGA I meant the last side by side between real hardware and mt32-pi -Wing Commander 2 and others
@retrobitstv
@retrobitstv 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if it affected the audio comparison but I did normalize the loudness levels of the two sound recordings in post. The source files were at different levels as-recorded. Also, I was using only the default settings for Munt and FluidSynth. For example, resampling was set to "good" but not "best" in Munt.
@napalmhardcore
@napalmhardcore 2 жыл бұрын
@Mellified I'm happy to read this. I too was concerned because the video did make it seem as though the emulation left something to be desired. Knowing this is due to configuration and it gets the nod of approval from an MT-32 owner is reassuring.
@mstreurman
@mstreurman 2 жыл бұрын
@Mellified Is it me or is the "trumpet" sound way different in WC2 on this video in MT-32 mode? Could it be just the CM-32L roms just being different or is it something else?
@beefquiche
@beefquiche 2 жыл бұрын
Dang it, the OG MIDI hardware sounds *better* than the PI Why???
@Cyber_Akuma
@Cyber_Akuma 2 жыл бұрын
.... because it's professional grade hardware meant for musician's use that cost hundreds of dollars?
@gcolombelli
@gcolombelli 6 ай бұрын
​@@Cyber_Akuma I'm not sure about that, I think it's more likely due to incomplete emulation implementation or misconfigured emulator than the quality of original hardware. According to wikipedia, the "MT-32 series constitutes the budget prosumer line for computer music at home"... and if you look at the hardware specs and a few teardown pictures, it really shows that the MT-32 was not a professional grade product. It sure sounded great compared to other consumer options of it's heydays, but let's not carried away and call it professional.
@BriBCG
@BriBCG 4 ай бұрын
What happened to the percussion on the mt32-pi? Sounds awful, honestly.
@n8goulet
@n8goulet 2 жыл бұрын
I've only watched up to 6 mins so far, but I think you should explain the "why" in extensive detail someone should use a MiSTer vs just regular software emulation? Regular software emulation for MIDI and games is already great! Most of us likely have a 2nd laptop hanging around that would work perfectly to be our MIDI sound module if we wanted it for games or something else. I bet a small Windows netbook or tablet would work fine as an external sound card for vintage PC games that require an external MIDI, if there aren't already easy software emulations people can run right from the games on a single PC for doing this. On my software Apple ][ emulation for example (no FPGA box required), with in the popular Apple ][ emulators, I can emulate the Mockingboard sound card which was optional for Apple ][ games. In my Amiga emulation (which is clock cycle accurate with no FPGA needed), the emulators are able to provide all kinds of optional hardware devices built into the emulators. I've been heavily into software emulation since 1985 on the Amiga, and followed it to the PC platform where it has dominated since the mid 90s. I've built 4 MAME machines, and and am a musician running many software synths. I've yet to find a use for a MiSTer as I'm perfectly satisfied with software emulation on many fronts. I see people running classic games on a MiSTer, with an LCD screen. And they think that is authentic! Don't they know how critical the CRT is? I think many of the MiSTer people have all the wrong priorities. Software emulation can be great, and even clock cycle accurate and has been under heavy development for a very long time, getting perfected. But please explain to me, I'm happy to listen, and open minded. I have around 25 arcade machines with several custom built emulators & dedicated games, dozens of soft synths I use extensively but also more than a dozen hardware synths. I haven't needed FPGA yet to do what I want. Maybe there could be an odd by game or something that was poorly emulated and better emulated for MiSTer? Generally, recreations are only as good as the people making them. That's why I know a handful of people years ago that switched back to PC emulation and sold off their MiSTer when they felt software emulation did a better or equal job of the task.
@rsmith02
@rsmith02 2 жыл бұрын
Sold off the Mister years ago? It's not that old a project. You have a new wave of developers who are maniacal about hardware accuracy, going as far as to decap chips to get the exact schematics. Many emulators have stagnated over the past decade at good enough, but not really accurate. Still there's no wrong answer and I am using FPGA for my favorite consoles and emulation for others I am less particular about (including Apple II).
@n8goulet
@n8goulet 2 жыл бұрын
@@rsmith02 It could have been the previous version. Generally if I find emulation not to accurate (games or synths), it's not because the accuracy isn't there, it's because some part of it isn't finished. This would be no different with FPGA. The products are only as good as the people making them, and what they've figured out with reverse engineering them.
@mstreurman
@mstreurman 2 жыл бұрын
@@n8goulet The biggest difference between MiSTer and Software EMU, I feel in Arcade games (and Consoles) is controller latency... for example: Running BSNES/HIGAN on my 9900k in the highest accuracy mode compared to the MiSTer SNES core on Mario Kart... world of a difference, my lap times are way better on the MiSTer and compare to me on my SNES... where with BSNES/HIGAN it is way more difficult for me to get the same lap times... both are running on the same screen with the same controller (8bitDo SN30 pro @ 8Bitdo Wireless Bluetooth Adapter), so it's not CRT vs LCD...
@n8goulet
@n8goulet 2 жыл бұрын
@@mstreurman I mainly play classic arcade games from the 80s, late 70s and occasionally early 90s. I haven't noticed any latency issues with the controllers what so ever in the hundreds of games I play. However, most of the games are a bit older than Mario Kart. A wireless connection could potentially add latency issues. I have 4 custom built MAME machines all running 19" arcade CRT monitors and vintage arcade controls like Wico leaf-switch joysticks & buttons for example. As for latency with MIDI on PC's, it's very rarely been an issue. I've been using soft synths on laptops with my bands for 25 years. If my timing was off, my bands would let me know. My soft synths on the Amiga in the mid 80s could have latency issues. It wasn't an issue with MIDI, but rather than synths themselves as some really taxed the hardware. If someone experienced latency using MIDI with their PC soft synths today, it usually means they need a more powerful system to run them. Not that they need to run MIDI via MiSTer.
@donwald3436
@donwald3436 Жыл бұрын
Doom had music?
@stevenyjtsai
@stevenyjtsai 2 жыл бұрын
sound delay
@franciscooteiza
@franciscooteiza 2 жыл бұрын
Shhhh, you don't know what you are talking about.
@elamriti
@elamriti Жыл бұрын
there is also the bulky midi 32
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