BTW...as a collector off and on for 4 decades ~I'm 53.... I have no problems with correcting prices....like Scotty referenced earlier I have seen almost unreal value gains in my high grade vintage collection in baseball and football .... those gains have added considerably to my net worth and retirement.... the hobby has been lifted to a level that will not be ignored going forward.... modern cards being the riskiest endeavor by far IMO.

The people I know who returned to the card market after a 20 year hiatus, or started collecting for the first time during Covid still likes the hobby, but have become seriously jaded by the unscrupulous sellers and learned the hard way (after months of purchasing raw cards) that dealers only list the ones they deemed below gem mint. They’ll use camera angles, glare, lower resolution photos, slightly worn cases, specific lighting, etc to conceal flaws. Cards they evaluate to be GM go to PSA or held onto last. Couple that with the fact PSA is wildly unpredictable at times and has become insanely strict to qualify as a 10 and now all the new blood in the hobby is debating whether to eject entirely but certainly doesn’t want to buy right now. And I don’t blame them. The hobby needs eBay to cut selling fees and shipping costs during times like these to ease the bear market overall and inspire action. Course correction is good for markets but we haven’t seen the last of the drop. If the holidays are just as bad, I’m definitely ending all my listings so the sight of them available, ergo unsold, isn’t etched in their subconscious.

These prices are total scams. This is a pump and dump like stock scheme. Brand new minor league player cards are selling for tens of thousands when retired HOF players have rookies selling for 10-100x less. All those cards will drop down to the hundreds.

Wow I just watched and enjoyed the Trout segment. The dangers of returning to the hobby this year and being bored while charging my car at the mall.

The Bryce Harper 2012 Sliding refractors sold last week at a Goldin Weekly auction last week for a little I’ve $9k. PSA 9

He hasn't played a full season since 2016. Injuries, injuries, injuries. You don't produce you decline. Why are people so suprised? 🥸🧐 Love this channel! The meeting of the card Gods! :)

I believe we will see live auctions at major card shows for cards over 25-50k are more roughly and eBay and other outlets will be for cards under that value. The shows will promote the cards for months and big bidders can prep for it.

Mike trout cards are dropping because collectors found something else to spend there money on. No one is gonna drop coin on a player that isn’t in the spotlight while on an active roster. Same path as Pujols after his first 10 years in the league.

I love the Project 2020 Ichiro cards, his '01 Topps RC is my fav 😅was super fun to pick them up so cheap

This past couple years I have been quite surprised about how docile Mike Trout really is ... I would expect a guy to demand a trade of some kind to a contender in his situation given his talent level and dwindling time window.... he has been quite the anomaly. I expected more drive and fight I guess. HE is pretty soft spoken and aloof. I hope he gets a trip or two to the post season somewhere.... I do think his quiet nature does not help his image. BTW Phil... I'll slap you anytime .. no 600 HR's references needed. :)

This is why it's usually best to sell cards of big name players while still in their respective peak. Not everyone is going to appreciate in value very nicely like Mickey Mantle or Michael Jordan.

Something people overlook with high value cards (10k+) is that people with large amounts of disposable money can get better and safer returns when interest rates are high by loaning their money. When interest rates are low they can look for other ways to make large returns on their money so they might turn to cards. I think that's a big contributing factor to high value cards dropping so fast.

Great conversation as always. Main thing that surprises me about Trout is the insane expectations this sets for other players in the future. Let’s say Acuna plays at the level he played at this year for 5 more years, wins 2 more MVPs with a few 2nd place (MVP) finishes thrown in…and then he starts to decline or gets injured at around 30. What happens to his prices? How many players continue playing well into their 30s? Same with Ohtani - what happens when (inevitably) he stops pitching and the horn falls off this unicorn - and he becomes “just” a very good hitter. Feel like I should just wait and buy every player once they hit around 38 and have a few bad consecutive seasons. Or wait a couple of years after retirement before induction into HOF. Different sport but have seen that with Tom Brady. His cards are down around 60-70% over last 2 years even though he is generally agreed to be the GOAT. Guess we can get the cards we want at lower prices if we remain patient.

First time here. Good video. Just subscribed.

Digging the Stache

If Goldin is small, then what is big lol. A Harper sliding refractor sold for over 9k in Goldin Weekly after you guys mentioned it.

I don’t know, just buy what you like. Collect who liked watching. Sports card should never have been viewed as a retirement plan.

1. Trout's talent is not amazed by people anymore because of Shohei. 2. Trout is declining significantly because aging. 3. Trout could probably end his career in LA without a ws ring. In conclusion, Trout's cards have no where else to go but only down.

Mike Trout has been the most boring superstar, never sniffs the playoffs and is always hurt. Stuff has a lot more room to drop, but there’s no denying his stretch of greatness up until 2019.

This channel is so good!!!

I would b shocked if he got to 600 hrs. Usually a hall of fame players careers counting stats split in half at age 28 meaning half r in the books at that age. But trout has been injured so much and most guys don't get better after 30.But that's the great thing about sports one never knows. Awesome show guys, keep throwing those Gaylord perrys

Can someone help me understand why I would buy from an auction house and pay approximately 20% in fees as a BUYER but I don’t pay any fees as a BUYER on EBay?

I disagree that it's a buyers market. I don't think that the bottom has been reached yet.

Csg look great and are easy to submit through comc , but resale value sucks .

Good topics again!

SGC is the only grading company I'll ever send to. Look the best and grade the best, in my opinion.

How do you sell on Ebay without fees?

Can you discuss what a baseball card collector does in the off-season?

What would you guys rather have...BGS 10 vs PSA 10? Gap closing between the two?

Feela like PSA is the "monster" collectors keep feeding to the point where they just have the monopoly on card grading especially resale. It's an older company but also has a long track of problems accured along the way which boggles me why wouldn't collectors give an upstart company like TAG (computer=scientific/rather than human error which to me is more subjective which is crazy btw) a chance. I know this has been covered so many times though. I also have no affiliation with TAG and if possible like "raw" (although I like graded for authenticity and in some cases uniformity so I am apart of the problem) I mean they are new and with that regard hopefully can keep a clean track record in regards to consistent grading, hopefully turn around times and great service. If we really want to believe our cards are gem mint/near mint/excellent etc... the most critical analysis is at the microscopic level wouldn't scientific evidence be the best there is but instead most op for liquidity based on sales which we know is not accurate. Just my thoughts, but you guys got a great show and cast and great topics covered. 👍⚾

Prices dropping isn't worrisome for collectors. Worrisome for investors for sure. Mike Trout will continue to fall big time.

How do use EBay with no fees?

Mike Trout is always on the 60 day DL or out for the season. That really frustrates me because we got the Baseball Package in 2023 with out of market games just to watch Trout and all he ever does is get hurt. He's my favourite player even though the Blue Jays are my team.

All u guys were solid

The market will continue to decline because of people not having nearly as much disposable income. I've been collecting off and on since 1987. The market is cyclical. It probably will take several more years to stabilize. We are in a new junk wax era sorta it seems bevause Costco now suddenly has a new Topps package. Costco hadnt had cards since the 90s aka the first junk wax era far as I know. I've been buying low end vintage and 90s inserts. Still bullish on baseball sealed wax pre 2020. Grading by the way is mostly just a cash grab scam especially at PSA. I do have slabs but I very rarely buy graded anymore because the premium price for a 10 over a 9 isnt justifiable.

The cost of borrowing money due to inflation is too high to buy these cards. "Investors" aka speculators may find it safer to buy 2 year Treasuries earning 5% while they wait for prices to continue to drop. Now there is just the general environment. At the player level could include other factors.

I had stopped side PCing Trout a year ago even though I missed out on his RC hype from 2011 because his projections of being in the top 10 all-time in multiple offensive categories deminished after 2018 with injuries minus the 2020 Covid year. I'm glad his card values will continue to fall towards the end of his baseball career when it is over.

I like CGC as well.

Not unlike any collectibles market sports cards go through boom and bust cycles. We all know or should know that PSA-10s of common cards will never hold their value. Why? They're common. The flip side is what about the value of the specific cards referenced in this video? In 50 or 100 years the 1/1 Acuna's, Trouts and a few others will at least be a good store of value. Most of the other stuff - not so much. In 100 years 1997-98 Flair Masterpiece 1/1's will be a great store of value. (Giving concrete examples - not suggesting that Flair Masterpieces have a particular importance. Maybe a Vlad Guerrero Bowman 1/1 buyback). In retrospect a Tim Duncan or Tmac or (Vlad, Bobby Abreu) card will have the historical interest of a LeBron card or Curry, Doncic (Othani, Acuna) etc. Final point, having just come back to the sports card market, what i see is way too many "dealers", way too much social media nonsense, influencers that have no moral compass, sketchy pump and dump schemes, way way way too much product. Perspective is very hard to achieve. A 1986 Fleer Jordan in PSA 10 in 100 years will still have value but it's ability to increase is limited due to it's availability. Enjoyed the discussion you guys had. Thoughtful, insightful and honest. All of which means that few viewers will have paid attention. Sports cards do possess a very important feature almost guaranteeing that the material from 1993 Topps Finest Baseball to today will have some value in the future - collectors will always be there to buy them. More than 99.9999% of everything produced needs to go in the trash, including slabs, but the rest of what remains will be collected literally forever. Remember Beanie Babies?

Good show

Topic...should Ohtani base rookies (thinking series 2) out sell Trout update in the same grade? Pop counts are very similiar at PSA. Has Ohtani reached that "god" level?

Trout was slippin already during the covid newb boom if that was any indication for future trending

Trout down because my boy Harper plays for championships.

Wow, there's no card by Ohtani, Acuna or Trout that should be in the stratosphere of the best card of Schmidt, Henderson, Brett, Ripken, Jeter and Pujols. Are there PSA 10 card/PSA 10 Autos of any of those guys best rookie cards? If so, those cards should clearly - CLEARLY! - be worth more than those 3 guys, and by a wide fucking margin.

Last 2 auctions I've won on Ebay have been cancelled. Can't win these days

Losing money in general is hard.

Ohtani is the biggest name in baseball, not Trout. Just sayin.

200K for a trout card? lol sounds more like money laundering or dirty deals being made via art sales.

I thought you said Trout is a good investment....

Trolled me~! Waited to hear about dual autos and.... bam! we were just kidding!

How long have any of you been in the business? Your whole first segment was wrong on so many levels. Ultra high end cards have been moving off eBay for the last 5 years. If you own a 6 figure card, you're going to those auction houses ( goldin, heritage, REA, memory lane, mile high, Lelands, or even pwcc). All of them vet buyers, and have an unpaid rate that's ungodly low. EBay doesn't vet buyers at all. All those ultra high end buyers are also not going to eBay anymore. Too much of a risk. And the fees are paid by the buyer not the seller at these auction houses ( buyers premium) so that end bid is what the sellers are getting ( sometimes even a portion of the premium.) Ken did a great job of showing this on the show they did. Also, the top 25 sales of all time come from these auction houses( public auction or brokered private sale). Why wouldn't you want to take advantage of that???

I commented on T-Pot’s video last week that the hobby goes down a dangerous road if we devalue the rookie card. You don’t want anarchy in the hobby where nobody knows what to collect and you have cards with short-term inflated values. What happened last weekend with Sports Card Therapist and shill bidding kind of proves my point if we devalue the rookie card, you have anarchy. So a 9th year Prizm Gold Eli Manning was shill bid last weekend and now Sports card Therapist has deleted all his social media accounts cause he got caught red handed. I believe this card was way overvalued (because it’s not a rookie card), and they had to manipulate the market. To bid almost $2,000 on a 9th Manning card makes no sense in the hobby. If it’s his rookie card, that’s different. But you guys want to keep devaluing the rookie card and base cards, you’re going to get shenanigans like this in the hobby.

Bidenomics 👍

Nah.

I don't trust any one in this hobby ......especially new shit influencers.

That mustache … sexy sexy

trout was always in trash in my book guy couldn't win nothing....If you dont win your a loser period