Military PT, Testing, and Standards with Mark Rippetoe

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4 жыл бұрын

In this clip from Starting Strength Radio #4, Rip discusses military PT, supposed advances in testing, and inadequate standards for combat troops.
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@AaronCook83
@AaronCook83 4 жыл бұрын
The biggest obstacle is the way the military not just teaches things, but teaches people how to teach things. Everything from disassembling a rifle to "leadership" becomes a checklist that any idiot can then accomplish by checking off the boxes , and the person observing checked off boxes doesn't have to understand anything more than his checklist of how to check that they checked the boxes. You could send your best coaches to teach the military and certify people to your existing standards, the next thing the military will do is create a spreadsheet based on the successful things those coaches do, put them on a checklist, and make it an online class.
@ggrthemostgodless8713
@ggrthemostgodless8713 4 жыл бұрын
Damn!! ----->> I have been saying this for decades!! I had decided back then to spend the following DECADES serving based on what I was told. I joined the marines because people said it was the HARDEST basic training, a CHALLENGE, and then the hardest and strictest normal standards in all the branches of the military, an actual MERITOCRACY; so I joined and was sent to Paris Island in SC... I stopped following orders, and dismissed, because everything I had read and been told during the years, and then again by my recruiter was complete bullshit, this was back in the early '90s but is only gotten worse.... ANYONE should be able to EASILY pass that so called basic training; I was the best on most things we did, I was the one at the front holding the flag for the group and thats an "honour" for the best in the group, that was me. Rip is right that most guys want to look good in uniform, because many there told me how many women they would fuck once they wear the uniform, and how cool they would look in it, it is indeed some Miss America shit. Plus then you get into the internal policies and politics of the place and you get nauseous. Basically if checking those boxes and follow stupid shit you rise in the organisation, regardless of merit or learning during the time you have spent there, so you have some incredibly stupid ignorant people who are good sheep when it comes to follow orders, in charge of many who are superior to him or her in MERITS just because he or she has been there longer than you. It is complete bullshit. So I agree with you when you say, "...Everything from disassembling a rifle to "leadership" becomes a checklist that any idiot can then accomplish by checking off the boxes..." plus "...the next thing the military will do is create a spreadsheet based on the successful things those coaches do, put them on a checklist, and make it an online class." ---> LOL Right on point. Somehow, every idiot that is sent to war and regardless of what he did here comes back a "hero" for serving, same with all police departments or firefighters and their so called "brotherhood". They are all heroes; it's like the word has lost all meaning. Hell even Mothers say they are heroes for taking care of THEIR kids, EVERYDAY heroes!! Imagine that shit. Half of those guys I was training with were a hindrance and an obstacle in most situations we faced, plus I would have feared to be forced to go to war with THEM; not a small number couldn't even do a single chin up, or run a mile... as far as the academic or math side of things, most were inept and ill educated, so we all had to "help" them or we all get punished instead of taking those lazy idiots off the team until they got ready... but it is numbers they want, nothing more. Fuck, now here comes the hate responses.
@crankymcgee
@crankymcgee 4 жыл бұрын
The Quizlets will soon follow
@MikeXCSkier
@MikeXCSkier 4 жыл бұрын
This is no different than how big corporations operate. It's also not completely true.
@GruntProof
@GruntProof 2 ай бұрын
This
@Jmack7861
@Jmack7861 4 жыл бұрын
Active duty here, I can attest that just being able to squat and deadlift more makes a ruck March much easier. If you can squat 500 lbs then a 100lb ruck with your body armor is much easier because “it’s a lower percentage of your 1rm” is the best way I can explain it. If you can only squat 225lbs then it’s going to be much heavier to you than if you squat twice that
@Jmack7861
@Jmack7861 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll add that it’s better to try and be strong at a smaller weight class when it comes to something like a ruck March because you do need the cardiovascular aspect still, so a 165 lb guy that can squat 450 lbs will likely have an easier time than a 220 lb guy that can squat 500-550.
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how much do the bouncy heeled shoes help with running, from my limited experience it's QUITE a bit. Any opinions on the matter?
@AdolfSchicklegruber
@AdolfSchicklegruber 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jmack7861 I always hated running, so I thought rucking would be my "thing" because Im 240 lbs and squat 500. I was wrong. Rucking still sucks because I never got into cardio for its own sake. You are exactly right
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
@@AdolfSchicklegruber Moving around in general sucks when you have to lug a heavier body. Often times it's a physical build/height limitation.
@Jmack7861
@Jmack7861 4 жыл бұрын
albu obscure maybe some with sprinting but not really shit with a light jog which is what the army tests for. Granted I’m not an expert on running mechanics so it could be a form thing for me personally.
@SgtPUSMC
@SgtPUSMC 4 жыл бұрын
I love that Rip is wearing a Starting Strength Online Coaching shirt! Tweaking Matt Reynolds I presume? As a former Marine, strength played a far greater role in combat readiness than cardio. I only wish I'd known that at the time (20 years ago).
@hexmedi
@hexmedi 4 жыл бұрын
It's just an old episode :)
@LtActionCam
@LtActionCam 10 ай бұрын
7:00 I was a Marine infantry officer and I failed my first iteration of the infantry officer course. I failed because I wasn’t strong enough. I could do a lot of push ups, I could do the 23 pull ups, and run 3 miles in 18:15 mins. My strength was good enough for the hikes at The Basic Officer Course. The basic Officer course graduation standard is 15 miles with roughly 75-80lbs. The rate of movement at the Basic Officer Course was 3 miles in 50 minutes. The Infantry Officer Course hike standard was much heavier, faster, and more frequent. My weakness was apparent from day 1. After I was given my second and last chance to graduate, I was fortunate enough to have people around me that knew what I was missing. I worked on the squat, deadlift, weighted runs, and ruck every week until the next class. I am small compared to my peers at 165lbs but I finally graduated from the course. I wish I knew that strength training was exactly what I needed before I attempted IOC. My cardio and heavy calisthenic training program was solely focused on OCS/BOC. But I didn’t think ahead.
@dard4642
@dard4642 4 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who was a Marine sniper. To him, the worst part of his job had nothing to do with the actual shooting of people. It was lugging all of that gear (and ammo) up to the high point. They always try to shoot *down* on targets and they're never dropped in from a plane. They always have to climb where they're going.
@wcdjmase
@wcdjmase 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine how many service members would not be entangled in the VA system if they had proper strength training and didn’t suffer from musculoskeletal issues that are caused by obsessive running and developed the necessary strength to carry heavy loads without getting injured.
@jameshorton5395
@jameshorton5395 2 жыл бұрын
Cut it out. We all had/have access to free gyms on post. The military didn't teach us how to run! We just ran like idiots landing on our heels,not understanding over striding/under striding or proper strides per minute. I learned this after my separation and faster at 39 than I was at 19.
@BlargeMan
@BlargeMan 4 жыл бұрын
They probably don't think it's worth the time and extra effort/expertise it would require, since 80-90% of the kids going through basic boot camp aren't going into combat units. Infantry school would be the place to do this.
@G1stGBless
@G1stGBless 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Andrews exactly. This is a stupid conversation. Most troops in combat roles lift and work out a lot. But something like 80-85% of the military never sees combat and don’t carry those massive packs. Cals and running is great for health and an easy cost effective program to ‘run’ for every unit everywhere. These idiots act as if our infantry and special forces and combat units don’t have 24 hour access to gyms and work out constantly. Thats pretty much all we did on deployments if we weren’t working or sleeping or eating.
@kevinperry5816
@kevinperry5816 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed but more people could be stronger. I'm an Intel guy and know some that struggle to pass the apft. I'm always fail height and weight because I lift. I know I'm not going to be in a situation where I need to be lifted out from my computer 🤣 but if I did most of these kids aren't carrying my 200lb ass out.
@BlargeMan
@BlargeMan 4 жыл бұрын
@@kevinperry5816 not arguing, I'm just trying to get into command's heads
@G1stGBless
@G1stGBless 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Perry LOL i just pictured some IT geeks (no offense) trying drag you out of an office chair deep in some building 😂😂😂
@digs1223
@digs1223 4 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine basic training not involving mentally challenging PT demanding people to keep working despite fatigue, hunger etc which just doesn't go with strength training. It seems like it would make more sense to make these strength standards a part of selection before training begins.
@BlargeMan
@BlargeMan 4 жыл бұрын
Navy SEAL trainees are fed 5000 calories or more a day, so hunger doesn't have to be part of it. And it makes sense to make strength standards part of selection for infantry and special forces, but most military personnel, Army and Marines included, are not combat troops. They serve in support roles. So the standard basic training PT model works just fine for them.
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Andrews You don’t think BUDS trainees have to deal with hunger? I think you should enlist
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
@@metoonunyabidness1391 You think you can get energy out of "mental toughness", get a grip. You cant outwill thermodynamics.
@digs1223
@digs1223 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlargeMan You really can't compare someone going through SEAL or special forces training with an average, raw and likely teenage recruit, the type of PT is imo an integral part of the process of turning adolescents into disciplined young men. It really does change their mentality. I'd argue the opposite regarding non-combat, they don't need stamina but they do need a degree of strength to be able to do their jobs in most cases, from loading vehicles to fixing them, setting up communications equipment etc.
@summersands105
@summersands105 4 жыл бұрын
Rachel Mclish is said to have written a strength manual for the military several decades ago. I am sure they update their training on a need to know basis. Apparently the military was concerned with being hot at the time.
@IdahomeStrongman
@IdahomeStrongman 4 жыл бұрын
Haha the article said Interceptor body armor. What is this 2006? Add another 20lbs and your closer to what our latest body armor weighs.
@Jmack7861
@Jmack7861 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao ikr, a bit more if you actually wear the groin and neck protectors
@metalrocks999
@metalrocks999 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah i was thinking the same. My IOTV is definitely 50 pounds lol.
@lm5085
@lm5085 2 жыл бұрын
Just found ur KZfaq. In 1995 I was in the Corps. and the almost exact test u described they did test on me and my squad in basic. I went in at 155# with a 350+ squat and 450+ deadlift and 18 pull-up. Shit doing that in basic fast tracked me way ahead of the platoon.
@johndeluna692
@johndeluna692 3 жыл бұрын
the issue with the Army for example is filling the required numbers. Also, our population has become more sedentary than ever
@TheRichardstewart
@TheRichardstewart 3 жыл бұрын
Rip is the best !!!
@newerest1
@newerest1 4 жыл бұрын
the laser adds weight because the common devices are placed on m4 rails near the end of the rifle, which is necessary for them to function, but they are at the worst place leverage wise. not to mention the weapon mounted light, pressure pad, etc. google image PEQ15 and DBAL devices to see edit: I'm sure there are also stand alone laser targeting systems
@reececarew4442
@reececarew4442 4 жыл бұрын
The idea of having a focus on strength i believe is definitely the right way to go, but you also cant entirely rule out the endurance and mental toughness factor, i believe they should slightly increase the running time and add in strength movements to fitness tests in the military. The idea of tactical fitness is better then either extreme.
@OfficialMarkZuckerberg
@OfficialMarkZuckerberg 4 жыл бұрын
You lost the Navy leadership when you said "if you feed them well"
@jwgreene1984
@jwgreene1984 Жыл бұрын
Rippetoe for President
@BOMEFSY
@BOMEFSY 3 жыл бұрын
They are in the R&D phase iirc. We do have rail guns on USN ships.
@frankbruce6889
@frankbruce6889 4 жыл бұрын
What would the standard look like for maintaining strength level after basic, especially after the soldiers get older 30 - 45?
@juncruz3685
@juncruz3685 4 жыл бұрын
Frank Bruce 531 is good
@pranayfrancis8563
@pranayfrancis8563 3 жыл бұрын
I would think at 30 to 45 you still have the capacity to increase in strength, not just maintain
@alyoshazeifman4657
@alyoshazeifman4657 4 жыл бұрын
Calisthenics workouts may not be ideal for carrying 150lbs, but I think Rippetoe understates their effectiveness. During quarantine I never done more pushups or pullups and the results are amazing in terms of looking good.
@tonyaiello5776
@tonyaiello5776 3 жыл бұрын
Are you still doing calisthenics?
@cutechicken2534
@cutechicken2534 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you , but i feel like free weights are more effective than calesthenics . Just my opinion tho
@AdolfSchicklegruber
@AdolfSchicklegruber 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the patrols in Kandahar a year ago were almost all mounted. The dismounted patrols were near the trucks so no need to carry all that shit. Not sure why we're still doing 20 mile ruck marches for something that isnt really happening.
@robertthompson5501
@robertthompson5501 4 жыл бұрын
At age 65 what would be a reasonable baseline for squat, deadlift, press, bench press, and pullups and run? Of course I have noticed a decline in my strength, recovery and endurance. Former miltary that grew up in the "aerobics" culture but akways strong. Thanks
@JRT140
@JRT140 4 жыл бұрын
google it rip has them with lon kilgore
@robertthompson5501
@robertthompson5501 4 жыл бұрын
@@JRT140 Thanks
@robcubed9557
@robcubed9557 4 жыл бұрын
I've never served in the military but I've had plenty of classmates who have served and a few that have seen combat. From their description, combat has a large conditioning/endurance component. Maybe the whole point of the calisthenics is to build muscular endurance in additional to mental toughness?
@juncruz3685
@juncruz3685 4 жыл бұрын
we need some hard data the a 300lbs squat 135 overheadpress 400lbs deadlift and never run for a month and run 5k for sub 23mins
@oliverallen5324
@oliverallen5324 4 жыл бұрын
Read, "Starting Strength and Barbell Training in the Military"by LtCol Mac Ward, SSC. The data already exists. Look for the section, "Making Strength Happen." You're making it sound like running 3 miles at an 8 min pace is hard?
@juncruz3685
@juncruz3685 4 жыл бұрын
Oliver Allen 15 people thats hardly a data. you wont take a vaccine thats only been tested to 15 people. they still did cardio. "Because aerobic capacity is required while in combat and for the PFT, they pushed the prowler 1 to 2 times a week.... Prowler work was limited to 15 minutes per week." rip is very espisific he said strength alone can make u a better runner/ cardio and dont need to do cardio training. very dogmatic believe that 5x5 lifts will make ur cardio better. that is false what is true u do cardio if u want to improve cardio and strength if u want strength yes there are carrie over but very minimal. just do both it will make u a super human. if u do one u become average gymrat or average cardio bunny.
@randomnameindeed
@randomnameindeed 3 жыл бұрын
@@juncruz3685 This is true. Rip's claims on cardio are hogwash. If you want to be a better runner, you need to run more. So many lifters try to invent all sorts of excuses and some even try to tell themselves that strength training will improve their cardio. They could not be more wrong.
@Modusoperandicod4
@Modusoperandicod4 3 жыл бұрын
A huge issue in the military is the mindset higher command has to strength. You look at gyms on post 3/4ths of it is dedicated to basketball, racketball and cardio. My post's gyms has 2 squat racks for 2000 servicemen and women.
@jameshorton5395
@jameshorton5395 2 жыл бұрын
Because the military doesn't need Soldiers and Marines trying to break PR's like jackasses and unable to train for months because of injuries.
@Altoseb
@Altoseb Жыл бұрын
@@jameshorton5395 Correct James. RIP is too dogmatic to appreciate the skewed risk/reward ratio of thousands of soldiers performing movements that could potentially put them out of action even if done even with a just modicum of error.
@joshuawilson367
@joshuawilson367 3 жыл бұрын
Active duty military male should do at 200 lb is 1000 lb club . 405 deadlift , squat 365 , bench press 230 and over head press 150 . What you think bentrow should be . Active military women should do at 164 lb is 665 pound club deadlift 265 , squat 240 , bench press 160 and over head press 100 .
@tedman2535
@tedman2535 Жыл бұрын
Stronger, but also you’ve eliminated the excuse of “I don’t know how to strength train”.
@gregorymccoy6797
@gregorymccoy6797 4 жыл бұрын
Height and weight standards will kick a Marine out of the Corps if you gain too much muscle. Only burial detail Marines are allowed to weight train all the time and they wind up at 230lbs body weight, enough to discharge a normal Marine.
@summersands105
@summersands105 4 жыл бұрын
Even though it has been established by cardiologists that skinny does NOT equate to heathy and that hip to waist ratio is more accurate measure of obese then the scale, somehow most providers have not gotten the memo.
@njabruzzo
@njabruzzo 4 жыл бұрын
Someone really needs introduce RIP to US top brass; the value of becoming stronger is not only logical (in terms of training) - it will make our soldiers more effective and ultimately also save lives. That's the headline here.
@jameshorton5395
@jameshorton5395 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah we all know how deadlifts and squats with no endurance would've been helpful for troops fighting in the Afghan mountains🤣
@Altoseb
@Altoseb Жыл бұрын
Rip’s logic says that a lifter with a 400kg squat will win a 100m race against a professional sprinter, because running is merely striking the foot downward submaximally for 12 seconds.
@startingstrength
@startingstrength Жыл бұрын
Nope. That would be preposterous. But people perform better when they are stronger. and you know that, because you get upset when people playing sports are "on steroids."
@Altoseb
@Altoseb Жыл бұрын
@@startingstrength who mentioned steroids? Not necessarily. I could perform more press-ups with a max bench of 90kg than I could with a max bench of 120kg - by your advice I should be able to perform more push-ups with a heavier bench. Not so.
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
Just openly give soldiers androgens and 5k calories, no problems with 100lb kits then.
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
@A User with No Name You think politicians are "stable"? You must be young.
@ryantfinchum
@ryantfinchum 4 жыл бұрын
@A User with No Name we do already... Why do you think they joined the military and didn't get a job?
@robertblack4647
@robertblack4647 4 жыл бұрын
Tons of problems with this but I'll start with the biggest. While all Marines are also Rifleman, most military members today are VERY unlikely to be in combat situations. The current PT standards are antiquated certainly but they no longer serve the purpose for which they were created nor do they serve their often advertised purpose of ensuring members are effective enough physically to deploy. Members can run with bad knees albeit painfully but they cannot do much at all with slipped discs. The way engineers approach problems is to solve first for consistency, not peak performance. Rip, your method would undoubtedly make better soldiers but at the cost losing members en masse. And while barbells don't cost much, you can be sure the Military is not capable of teaching or enforcing safe Deadlift/Press standards. The actual cost comes from separating people who 1. suddenly can't pass their new PT standards, and 2. people who must be medically retired for injuring themselves directly in the line of duty (mandated physical training). Then of course, there's the people who'd waste military time and money and never make it past Boot Camp, people who are perfectly capable to work in a clinic, turn wrenches on 60year old planes, or make coffee for Colonels. The Special Forces guys have the money and the autonomy to train how they need to. It's just not feasible across the board.
@JasonArter
@JasonArter 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like your father probably served with my late grandfather. in the 101st. As a former infantryman, I wish we would have spent more time strength training and less time running. I weighed 130lbs, and carried a ~120lb rucksack.
@jsamuel251
@jsamuel251 4 жыл бұрын
Soldiers should train like football players rather than a high school track club
@rafaelgonzalez8467
@rafaelgonzalez8467 3 жыл бұрын
I am a Retired Marine, Rip knows a lot about training a novice, but he doesn't know squat about what it takes on the battlefield. The most important thing a grunt in a combat needs is endurance and mental strength. Lack of sleep, long hikes, long days and nights. Cold and hungry nights. Going up a hill, when you have been going for 10 miles and have 5 to go. Yes, you need some strength, but the most important thing you need is endurance. No need to squat 500 or 600 pounds and weigh 250 lbs that will get you nothing but, exhausted and possibly dead. lean, mean and strong with outrageous quantities of endurance and mental strength. War and the Military is about attrition and who can do more over a longer period of time.
@tyrander1652
@tyrander1652 3 жыл бұрын
They need pack llamas. Practical and edible.
@allieduniversal9048
@allieduniversal9048 3 жыл бұрын
Shit I Got A 405 Deadlift At 165 Right Now & I Think That Its Not A Good Number Lol.!
@Buzz_Kill71
@Buzz_Kill71 4 жыл бұрын
Laser Canon....
@nitrometh42
@nitrometh42 Жыл бұрын
100 lbs of light weight gear is still 100lbs
@FrissOderLassEs
@FrissOderLassEs 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you've got to be strong, to defend the right to insult the president you elected and tell yourself that is freedom.
@ChipSpencer123
@ChipSpencer123 4 жыл бұрын
You need to have good coaches and commitment to strength training as an institution. They have to learn proper form. You need to have the physical testing test strength. Now the physical tests are pushups, pull-ups, setups, running.
@bourbonchicken
@bourbonchicken 4 жыл бұрын
Instapundit is a great blog.
@gregorymccoy6797
@gregorymccoy6797 4 жыл бұрын
Instant? He has been saying this for a long while.
@metalrocks999
@metalrocks999 4 жыл бұрын
Infantryman who can rep 500 lbs on deadlifts checking in.
@Mr.Ut21
@Mr.Ut21 4 жыл бұрын
Military feeds its soldiers like shit. We know if a high anking officer comes to the dfac (cafeteria) when the food is good. If a general would randomly show up, he'd see the truth. Total bull shit
@joncohen1470
@joncohen1470 4 жыл бұрын
"Being strong allows you to run" let's go watch Ray Williams run. That'll turn out well.
@jameshorton5395
@jameshorton5395 2 жыл бұрын
This guy wants a bunch of buff,injury prone, no endurance, no flexibility having dudes in the military. Amazing 🤣
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, we can make soldiers stronger But the timeline for new soldiers to enter service and deployment to war is really short. Adjustments can be made to the training schedule, but for the most part, the strength of average soldiers is no more than what is available in average citizenry. Pt in the military is not primarily about strength or physical fitness. It’s about the ability to endure...
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
6months is long enough for a 350 squat. You can't endure that which you cannot lift.
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
albu obscure One station unit training is 16 weeks You can enlist and go to war inside of 5 months. Yes, you can emphasize strength training But any extra time spent on strength, is time away from other skills needed
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
albu obscure You can endure more than you have strength. You can mentally endure muscle wasting And near death. Strength does not help with this
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
@@metoonunyabidness1391 You can't get performance out of mental toughness, this is not anime.
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
albu obscure Have you served?
@MrSandshadow
@MrSandshadow 4 жыл бұрын
I think saying that "A lot of people this, a lot of people that" without actual examples really hurts this statement. It's like a feminist shouting some insults without evidence support.
@callums6570
@callums6570 4 жыл бұрын
First. Bitch.
@totallyraw1313
@totallyraw1313 4 жыл бұрын
Does Rip have Parkinson's disease?
@shantanusapru
@shantanusapru 4 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering that too, watching his shake, for quite some time now...
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
“Soldiering is a physical profession” While it is physical, I don’t agree Soldiering is a mental profession The ability to keep going when you have seemingly nothing left is not physical
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
Keep the cringey quites for instagram.
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
albu obscure I’m guessing you haven’t served
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
@@metoonunyabidness1391 I squat 500 at 180 and jump 40inches, don't worry my performance is fantastic without serving.
@metoonunyabidness1391
@metoonunyabidness1391 4 жыл бұрын
albu obscure I don’t care about your performance I care about your perspective Just cause you’re strong doesn’t qualify you to serve I’ve seen plenty your size wash out in less than a week
@senselessnothing
@senselessnothing 4 жыл бұрын
@@metoonunyabidness1391 The standards of serving are not performance standards but the take orders standards. I'd be the last person to fit in that context.
@MikeXCSkier
@MikeXCSkier 4 жыл бұрын
How is it that a guy, and I mean Rip, with no military background, can come on KZfaq and pretend he is an expert on military fitness? Go to bootcamp Rip, then we'll talk. BTW - We don't have laser weapons but tanks do have laser rangefinders. Rip would have known that if he had served in the military.
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