Military SIG P-49 Variations
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When looking at P-49 (aka SIG 210) pistols used by the Swiss military, there are five distinct groups, with different characteristics. Today we will be showing you these differences, as well as a few features of the Swiss military holster for the P49. For reference:
Type 1: 100001-103200
High polish blue, checkered slide release, wood grips, smooth safety lever, no halfcock notch (most retrofitted), mag body in the white. First batch delivered to Army.
Type 2: 103201 - 107210
Blued magazines, no halfcock (most retrofitted) . Otherwise same as Type 1. Second batch delivered to Army.
Type 3: 107211-109710
All with halfcock notch, otherwise same as Type 1. Third batch delivered to Army.
Type 4 (aka Transitional): 109711-120500
Black plastic grips, matte blue finish (different tone between slide and frame), checked slide stop, serrated safety, separate grip escutcheons, matte blue or high polish blue magazine.
Type 5: 120501-213110
All matte blue magazine, serrated slide stop, integral grip escutcheons, otherwise same as Type 4.
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@TobyTyler06 2 жыл бұрын
The details about the blue'd finish, magazine witness holes and mismatched fire control components is why I love this channel.
@christopherclark6008 6 жыл бұрын
Whoever owns that fireplace also has an insane collection of rare pistols. IIRC it’s in the background of the C96 series, Bergmann, and the Savage pistol videos.
@annairinastoll2960 6 жыл бұрын
I am in a german gun club on the swiss german border and I have a friend there who worked in Neuhausen in the Manufacturing of the p210.
@pLAST3RdISAST3R 5 жыл бұрын
Ausgezeichnet! I love my sp2022, would like to know alot more about Neuhausen am Rheinfalls and other places like Eckernforde where the Sauer comes in, as well as other Schweiz-Deutsche Pistolen wie the p220's und sig pro series like mine. Forgotton Weapons is a great place for that!!
@arminkamenjasevic7210 4 жыл бұрын
Ich bin neugierig. Gibt es noch diese militärische Pistolen in zivil Händen und wie viel kosten sie. Hier in meinem Land kosten sie wie ein Gebrauchtwagen.
@MrCoopa97 4 жыл бұрын
@@arminkamenjasevic7210 originale SIG 210 kosten ab 1500€ aufwärts.
@thatsquidwardfeel5567 4 жыл бұрын
@@arminkamenjasevic7210 In der Schweiz kosten die P49 ca. 1000-1500 CHF je nach Zustand. Die 210-6 (Private Sportversion) etwa 2000.
@jamesharrison2374 10 ай бұрын
Great video. I owned a 210-4 BGS Version for many years, and have traded it off. Have a 49 on my wish list to go with my K-31, G-96/11, and my 1929 Swiss Revolver. Would love to go back to Switzerland and take part again in some of the rifle and pistol matches. Was active from 1989-1998 before moving to the US.
@Mr.GM1965 2 жыл бұрын
Great man, just got my Dad's P49 which he used in the Swiss Army. A113... in mint condition, including 2nd mag and holster. next to my collection i own my personal P220 (P75) which i owned in the Army and my Dad's. very happy :-)
@williamprince1114 6 жыл бұрын
One of the best looking pistols ever made. And really very accurate.
@bawild5904 3 жыл бұрын
QQ - my dog wrote that°^^
@CJM-rg5rt 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how all of the reproductions (made past 2005) have beaver tails, they look "sporty" to me but I'm someone who isn't versed in guns.
@Blackstone9x19 4 жыл бұрын
Checked my P49, serial beginning A114....and yep, fits your description completely!
@HptfwO 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the always interesting Videos, Ian. The seperate flap on the inside of the Holster was tucked behind the Grip of the Pistol in the "open Top" configuration to some form of a quick-draw Setup. Works quite fast, when you were used to it. Best regards from Switzerland!
@Bambino324 5 жыл бұрын
I inherited the SIG P210-1(one of the first patch) from my grandfather (he was a major in the swiss army) and I think it is by far the best pistol in my collection. I just love this gun :-)
@metalviking974 8 ай бұрын
Recently inherited my grandfather's 2nd series P49 (A105738), including the original holster, a spare magazine, and 10 rounds (dated June 1954, so I probably won't fire those). Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but it handles really nicely so far. Edit: Shoots like a dream.
@newdefsys 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your efforts in making good P210/P49 videos. I've always wanted to add a specimen to my collection but shied away because of my lack of knowledge. However, with your good info I'm more informed now and feel confident to make a purchase that will fit my budget and collecting standards. Kindest regards, to you.
@chriswilson4774 6 жыл бұрын
Great video as always ian!
@Coyotebrownish 6 жыл бұрын
Yet another fantastic and informative video, Karl!
@drmaudio 6 жыл бұрын
A bucket list item right there.
@nathanboulton2066 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another amazing video
@nccrawford 6 жыл бұрын
I carried a Danish m/49 for a short while out of pure romance... Not very practical, but it sure felt good.
@mulrich 3 жыл бұрын
For anyone interested in that particular variation, here's Ian's video on it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZsuCnNyal7zPiKs.html
@sebastianwright4041 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian. Great video mate. I bumped into youbriefly at the crossroads of the west gun show as i walked in today. On after thought i ended up getting the exact 4th series pistol you reviewed here in the video a few months ago that was pointed out to me. Beautiful pistols.
@jasondoakes1372 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent and very useful presentation, I learned a lot of details, this will help me have a better conversation with some buddies in the shooting club that consider this gun the holy grail of target shooting. And it will help me when I decide to buy one. Greetings from Switzerland!
@cptreech 6 жыл бұрын
Could be just me but I find the "Industrial" 4th pattern far more attractive. Only shot a SIG once, so long ago I can't remember the model but it was shorter than that, anyway, it was a smooth, straight shooting, gun that just felt quality.
@conradgrundy238 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing as usual man, this is a huge ask given how little this gun is known but could you find out about the RSC SMG devised by Ribeyrolles, Chauchat and Sutter? It fired the 8mm Lebel round and was the first port firing weapon (PFW) beyond that and it's rather unique look is all I know about it. Yes I do play BF1 and yes I have seen this gun around but I would love to see a real version of it, if there are any left that is.
@Blueswailer 6 жыл бұрын
Whoever's collection you pulled these from to show to us, damn. Slightly jealous. Love how the SIG P-49 looks. All hail Gun Jesus for the continued quality output!
@Ali_Yilmaz395 6 жыл бұрын
All Hail Gun Jesus
@elsoldadomarquez 6 жыл бұрын
Hail Gun Jesus.
@ajhayden3307 6 жыл бұрын
Algiz Hail Gun Jesus
@TheOwenMajor 6 жыл бұрын
Hail Gun Jesus.
@julianchiarieri751 6 жыл бұрын
All Hail gun jesus
@NoNameForMe_G 6 жыл бұрын
I have one of these. It's a great little gun. Love from Switzerland.
@socom308 6 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video.
@larskunoandersen282 6 жыл бұрын
great video. as always good information.
@M04R92 6 жыл бұрын
Could we at some point get a video walkthrough of Bill Chase's entire collection ? Judging from the videos you have already published his seems to be one of the most impressie pistol collections in the US.
@kenhelmers2603 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian, tons of info! :)
@retoschneider340 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this Video. Hello from Swiss 🇨🇭
@markcooper6736 6 жыл бұрын
Always great info
@SH1974 5 жыл бұрын
The holy grail of pistols, 13 guys are jealous. ;) I'm not. Okay, I only own one P 210 (it's a -6, equpied with SIG adjustable sights) but I've got a change Barrel and Spring (easy change between 9mm Para and 7,65mm Para) in matching serial number. And I also own a original SIG .22LR training system (totally slide assembly w. Spring & Barrel and a different magazine) for this pistol. So I can shot the same pistol with it's match-grade Trigger in 3 different calibers.
@nikolairennock5117 6 жыл бұрын
By far my favorite pistol!
@thebotrchap 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 2nd series P49 with original hammer sans safety notch. SOLID piece of kit!
@dfailsthemost 3 жыл бұрын
Love the look of this pistol.
@deathofkindness 6 жыл бұрын
That's an awesome looking weapon
@gewamser 6 жыл бұрын
Total class!
@jerrshobe6765 6 жыл бұрын
grin, thanks for making this video
@sksaddrakk5183 4 жыл бұрын
The pistol A101219 at 01:15 is a service pistol which was kept by the officer/NCO after he was discharged from the Army... this is visible by the stamped in P at the triggerguard... BTW to this day this costs you all in all 70 bucks (20 for the police record (or rather the proof of a lack thereof) and 50 for the registration), I kept my service pistol (a SIG 220) with no money spent on the gun itself... Same goes for the AR by the way. Servicemen may keep it for an administrative charge of 100 bucks (more expensive, as a gun smith has to disable automatic fire mode, converting it into a semi-auto rifle)...
@RCP-1136 2 жыл бұрын
Just found out my grandfather sold his old p210 for 200chf a few months ago, it was a 4th or 5th gen but surely worth more (and a shame to be sold off)...
@graffrank5766 2 жыл бұрын
I've Got one shoot every week with great results on the Range, what a gun, greets fro. Switzerland...
@wingwangtingtang 6 жыл бұрын
Actually thinking of military holsters with cool little features have you guys ever had one of those weird makarov holsters that let you draw it by pushing it through the bottom of the holster which racks the slide?
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
I own one, actually. Planning to do a video on it at some point.
@wingwangtingtang 6 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons oh that sounds dope definitely gonna look out for that
@wingwangtingtang 6 жыл бұрын
keith moore see that's what I was thinking that's why I was asking if he's make a vid on it if he had access to one
@MrCyphermonkey 6 жыл бұрын
Darryl Gibbs I think MAC over at military arms channel has done a vid on one to tide you over until Ian gets around to it.
@cripto1366 6 жыл бұрын
I never quite understood the purpose of those holsters. Makarovs seem safe to carry with a loaded chamber. Is this not the case?
@danwallin4238 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks from Sweden.. Looking for this pistol model.. 😊
@jackmcslay 6 жыл бұрын
7:32 an unusual case where cost savings measures makes the gun look better
@SgtKOnyx 6 жыл бұрын
Jack Mcslay While I partially agree with you, that's gonna be hugely subjective.
@pLAST3RdISAST3R 5 жыл бұрын
kinda like the sig pro.
@amralhosainy2794 6 жыл бұрын
The two tone difference is because both slide and frame were subjected to finish chems for the same amount of time and the fram have bigger volume than the slide
@bradleynissen2301 4 жыл бұрын
I've fired a Swiss p210-6 and a p210-2 … still my favourite pistole. just wish I could get one here in Oz nowadays …
@metropolitanfirearms5192 6 жыл бұрын
Another great video, however why did you not note the guns that have P’s or discharged makes on them? There must be examples that don’t, or am I wrong? Thanks as always! Charles
@KillerRedVine 6 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Forgotten Weapons do a collaboration with H3 VR since i know the dev for it is always trying to add oddballs into the game and soaking up as much knowledge along the way.
@J4ckD3ath 6 жыл бұрын
There are a bunch of these for sale at Simpson Limited...all seem to be in the $2500 range. Beautiful hand guns though.
@turbowolf302 6 жыл бұрын
I know you've done videos on them in the past, but do you think it'd be possible to go into detail on the CZ-52 like this? I feel there's a lot of information out there that I've yet to discover.
@metalrobot3000 2 жыл бұрын
I love the black grips on the 4th gen
@pipss2669 6 жыл бұрын
I bought a 3rd Series P49 last year :D
@Broadgate 6 жыл бұрын
The ‘flap’ on the holster is designed to be tucked in (between the pistol and the back of the holster) for a quicker draw......
@randywatson8347 6 жыл бұрын
When I look at these guns I see gripcomfort and high quality.
@bluestsoda 6 жыл бұрын
I really hope you can look at the Neostead 2000 shotgun one day.
@chrischiampo8106 6 жыл бұрын
Whooo Hoooo 😮😲😮 I Really Like The 1/4 Moon Trigger Of The M49 SIG’s And The Quality Of The Bluing Is Amazing Gun Jesus 😎😀😊
@hristo.bogdanov 6 жыл бұрын
I'm salivating already...
@Hagaricus 6 жыл бұрын
That 4th pattern appears to be a bit messed with? Proud trigger pin & bobbed hammer if I'm not mistaken?
@guchypoo 6 жыл бұрын
Classic firearms got me here..
@charlesholzschuh5551 6 жыл бұрын
The holes in the blued magazine maybe punched and not drilled. You get the same affect.
@jotun725 6 жыл бұрын
Who dislikes Ian's videos? Like, what is there to dislike? I guess if you're not interested in firearms, but why are you even on the video at that point?
@nickmiller5543 4 жыл бұрын
Haters.
@marekantonim2676 4 жыл бұрын
beretta
@marcothommen2484 3 жыл бұрын
SJWs
@aerofd 6 жыл бұрын
How were these holsters worn? With the integral strap? Interesting video as always. Keep up the great content.
@rammuh1029 4 жыл бұрын
Jerry K on the left side to draw with your right hand “across” your body
@rammuh1029 4 жыл бұрын
Jerry K The strap is on your right shoulder and the two ends on the holster on the left side and the holster is secured on the belt around the waist but very high worn
@riccky312 Жыл бұрын
I am getting a type 5, 189xxx based on your video
@darthmartinez 6 жыл бұрын
The magazines look identical to Sig 225 or P6 Magazines except no notch for the push button Mag release.
@Crashing310 3 жыл бұрын
What was the last year they were produced? Are all P49’s C&R eligible?
@WTFSt0n3d 6 жыл бұрын
greetings from switzerland
@topcatcoast2coast579 2 жыл бұрын
Best service gun manufacturer through the years of anyone asks me.
@pastorclay82 6 жыл бұрын
Soon you'll be able to do a forgotten weapons on the PX4 storm. Seems I rarely meet even gun people who know anything about them.
@pastorclay82 6 жыл бұрын
Wolfwind Prepper I hope you are joking
@pastorclay82 6 жыл бұрын
Wolfwind Prepper the Beretta PX4 Storm, is a rotating Barrel polymer frame Hammer fired handgun. Excellent shooter, the 9mm version in the compact size shoots like a 380.
@USSEnterpriseA1701 6 жыл бұрын
What about it's progenitor, the model 8000 "Cougar"? Nice pistols, and still being made under the Stoeger brand that Beretta owns.
@pastorclay82 6 жыл бұрын
USSEnterpriseA1701 haven't had the chance to check it out, how is it?
@USSEnterpriseA1701 6 жыл бұрын
It's a fairly nice pistol, it's pretty similar handling to the model 92 with a vertec style of grip. The only problems I've ever even heard about them having was the short lived .357 sig model had a tendency to beat itself to death, the 9mm, .40 s&w, and .45 acp models seem to avoid that issue. Not a bad pistol, but not as 'up to date' as some people would like.
@milgeekmedia 6 жыл бұрын
It is a lovely looking handgun...As an aside, where does the term 'Sam Browne' originate?
@MouseSentinel 6 жыл бұрын
Swiss military P75 (SIG P220 9mm) pistol video would be nice.
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
It is coming later.
@phileas007 6 жыл бұрын
the 210 is considered better, but I personally like the ergonomics of the 220 more
@TRabbit1970 6 жыл бұрын
I look forward to Ian doing one of these variations studies for Glock, 40 years from now.
@wendigo1619 5 жыл бұрын
I have one with a matte finish and wood grips, and i find that strange because i never saw it before or since
@gokuss15 6 жыл бұрын
Oh is it 4:30 already?
@b0ng0man 3 ай бұрын
so on the left is that metal rectangular hole. what was that for a laynard anyone with a picture?
@pikeywyatt 6 жыл бұрын
a very Swiss day so far ..F W & B O T R.
@tangero3462 6 жыл бұрын
Just learned so much about Swiss stuff while waiting for my tire change today
@Cuneytarki22 4 жыл бұрын
Which variation is the best?
@Otis884 6 жыл бұрын
I want one, or six.
@guyallen8539 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video I just found out I have the 5th generation
@CFO404 3 жыл бұрын
I got a civil version of it. I love it, but the hammer bites my hand every time ;)
@caferacer3539 2 жыл бұрын
Why just don't cut the cock spur with the grinder or even a file?
@CFO404 2 жыл бұрын
@@caferacer3539 No i dont want to. I also dont grind my girlfriends tooth because she bites me sometimes ;)
@kenibnanak5554 6 жыл бұрын
KZfaq is now running ads on your videos. :)
@coffeestainedwreck 6 жыл бұрын
Does a finer finish improve the durability of a gun at all? It seems like it doesn't, hence models 4 and 5, but I'm curious if they originally chose the deep polish for any reason other than aesthetics.
@coffeestainedwreck 6 жыл бұрын
Oh, I didn't even consider extended method lag due to Swiss neutrality - that totally makes sense. Thanks, Keith!
@MichaelBerthelsen 6 жыл бұрын
But doesn't folding back the cover flap make it impossible to wear on your belt...? That seems kind of impractical to me.
@AlanH450 6 жыл бұрын
i actually much prefered the matt finish myself. it looked more practical.
@JerryEricsson 6 жыл бұрын
Not so much with these guns, but many of the ones you fire have some strange rounds, it would be very interesting, to me at least having been a hand loader for many years, to get a close up of some of the strange ammo you come across, then compare it to a known round. Just a suggestion, I do love your videos, and watch nearly every one you post, the exception being the book reviews, I know many are into such things, but I have long ago given up the printed word, for the LED screens. Sad to, since I am a published writer, but haven't written for publication now for 10 years or more. The doctors have put a stop to that with all the meds they keep pushing on me to keep me going, it clouds the mind and inhibits the imagination, it blocks the spelling portion, and were it not for auto correct, I would hardly be able to post anymore.
@pipss2669 6 жыл бұрын
I don't want to nitpick your superb video, but I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) the Sig-P210 was never refered to as "M49". Rather, "Pistole 49" or "P49" would be correct ;)
@williamflowers9435 5 жыл бұрын
Wacky WEASEL In Danish Service I think it was the M/49
@olecanole8596 4 жыл бұрын
I have one of these marked for service in Denmark. I would love to hear the story of these.
@olecanole8596 4 жыл бұрын
It has early features such as; no half cock, serrated wood grips, high gloss deep blued finish, in the white magazine, and checkered slide release. It does, however have the serrated safety. It also has a four digit serial number.
@33Luger 2 жыл бұрын
And they were used in Afghanistan when Danish forces deployed there. Supposedly a Taliban was taken out at 100 meters with a head shot.
@peterkluwer8913 6 жыл бұрын
Here's my service-pistol! Only this year, have the Danish military decided to get a new gun.
@kennetkorsholmschmidt1155 6 жыл бұрын
Peter Klüwer han har levet video med m/49.😉
@peterkluwer8913 6 жыл бұрын
... det fandt jeg ud af - men det gik tabt i mit fan-boy-squeel ;)
@bigbadfnmonkey 6 жыл бұрын
From the land of fine watches & very fine handguns! Nuther fine video gun Jeebus, thnx!!
@augustvanhout2163 6 жыл бұрын
Ian, do a video on the M79 or the China Lake!
@TheDandyMann 6 жыл бұрын
August Van Hout Always wanted one on the china lake.
@thegoldencaulk2742 6 жыл бұрын
Whenever he gets the chance I bet. Those are very uncommon afaik
@paulshayter1113 6 жыл бұрын
August Van Hout There are only four known China Lakes left and all four are in museums. Less than 50 were made and some say only 15 or 16 were actually produced.
@PassiveDestroyer 6 жыл бұрын
Has he not done one on the M79? Those are relatively common. Maybe they're too common..
@davidneely2332 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Guys, does any one know what years the five different types were manufactured or issued?
@33Luger 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty good Wikipedia page on this pistol.
@Yakhashe 6 жыл бұрын
what a coincidence, I just shot one of those yesterday! Though i think it was a civilian one.
@thomyoung5872 6 жыл бұрын
What are the calibers on those military variants? I have heard that the P210 neuhausen came in both 7,65 and 9mm.
@MrCoopa97 4 жыл бұрын
That's correct. Additionally you can convert it to 22lr by changing the magazine the barrel an the recoil spring. 9mm to 7.65 para you only have to change the barrel and the recoil spring.
@rammuh1029 3 жыл бұрын
The military versions, originaly are all 9mm Para
@33Luger 2 жыл бұрын
@@rammuh1029 I don't think that is accurate. The Swiss ones were made in 30Mauser. The ones made for the German police were 9mm. I own one of each.
@rammuh1029 2 жыл бұрын
@@33Luger i collect Army P210 or P49 as its correctly called, all literature i own, particulary page 107 of “Die SIG Pistolen” 1981, by H.P. Doebeli, is saying: “all Army P49 are made in 9mm”. Of course, there are some private once in 7.65x21 Parabellum and some privately converted P49 in 7.65 30 Mauser? This cartridge is 7.63x25mm. Did you try to shoot it allready? If not, please be carefull 30 Mauser is much hotter then 9mm or 7.65 if it goes in to battery, but i doubt. But if its in 30 Mauser, i would love to know more about that! I could reasearch all my books and give you additional infos…
@33Luger 2 жыл бұрын
I use 30Luger and 7.65 Para interchangeably. I own a 7.65 Swiss, a German police 9mm, two 9mm heavy frame P-210's made for the US market, and one of the new American made versions. I mainly shoot the 7.65 Swiss model with target grips and the American one with fiber optic shots.
@annairinastoll2960 6 жыл бұрын
Sexiest Handgun ever.
@marcocacciatore2602 3 жыл бұрын
good video. Why do you always call it M49 though?
@ptitseb01 3 жыл бұрын
That's the name it is called in the swiss army. :)
@ptitseb01 3 жыл бұрын
My bad. It was called P49 in Switzerland by the army and M49 in Denmark. But basically the same gun.
@Marco-ie2xn 4 жыл бұрын
dear santa...
@survival8860 5 жыл бұрын
Hoi Zämme! 😂🇨🇭
@fmgmuer Жыл бұрын
Hoi 🙂🇨🇭
@phillipcowan1444 4 жыл бұрын
For some reason I've always preferred the look of the molded black plastic grips over the wooden ones. The wooden grips have always struck me as cheap and cheesy looking not to mention somewhat homely. I also prefer the black plastic on other SIG pistols eg the 220 and 225. A no nonsense cold-war pistol should look the part,lol.
@33Luger 2 жыл бұрын
Nill Grips makes wood grips with a Swiss cross. Very nice.
@dcwillis87 6 жыл бұрын
🤤🤤🤤
@hoffbyte 6 жыл бұрын
Have you ever considered the possibility that by meticulously pointing out things to pay attention to while buying the guns you're in fact helping the forgers forge better?
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
More information is better than less.
@Greenscreen76 6 жыл бұрын
All praise Gun Jesus
@redpilledpatriot8484 6 жыл бұрын
Do you think $450.00 for a full size carbon 15 AR IS A GOOD DEAL?
@Nik-ff3tu 6 жыл бұрын
NRA ads have no chill.
@wauser5456 6 жыл бұрын
That extra rivet in the shoulder strap that allows you to fold it might have been so they could use shorter pieces of leather or use the same length of cut as another piece of leather found on the holster elsewhere, just guess though.
@BAdventures 6 жыл бұрын
I also think the extra rivet was to help with folding for storage. But it would change the way it sits on the shoulder. Leather is a stiffer material and might cut into the shoulder or sit on an awkward angle. The rivet might have added some flexibility at the shoulder, while helping the strap sit flatter across the chest and back. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1930er_Jahre_Schweizer_Armee_Uniformen.jpg