A playthrough of Minesweeper on expert with commentary.
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@oliverradosav24752 жыл бұрын
Only legends will like this video
@generic8618 Жыл бұрын
facts
@Davidamp4 жыл бұрын
Proof by contradiction: the game
@Pintkonan4 жыл бұрын
the point is that you develop skills where you dont think about this anymore. you see the numbers and combinations of setups and begin to become fast (o:
@MrSongib3 жыл бұрын
you still need "luck" 🤣
@pinospin95882 жыл бұрын
Especially when you set to 99 mines
@robotron6420 Жыл бұрын
@@MrSongib Sadly, yes. There's moments where you need luck
@crown_420 Жыл бұрын
I call it the assumption and cancellation method.
@hnkul7027 жыл бұрын
I really like your guide. You basically talked about everything there is to Minesweeper logic in great depth. Having said that, I don't play the Windows version anymore since you need incredible luck to solve most puzzles because of forced guessing. Thankfully there's a Simon Tathem version of Mines that allows for boards as large as your screen, and where you can get the game to ensure the puzzle is possible without making forced guesses (at about 95% success rate). Your first click is always a square with no mines around it. I'm sure you can clear a 35x80 board with 750 mines on it on that game. It's a challenge but one based purely on skill.
@hnkul7027 жыл бұрын
Having said that, there is another level of clicking logic that goes beyond the scope of this board, although you would figure it out pretty easily since you know which squares are safe.
@freegamingcocsashorts7605 Жыл бұрын
@@hnkul702 :
@TheKyleFyles10 ай бұрын
@hnkul702 I didn't know about Simon Tathem, thank you!
@hnkul70210 ай бұрын
@@TheKyleFyles No problem! I still enjoy that version! I find that the maximum level of difficulty you can have with that version is to make the board big enough that it fills most of your screen but small enough that the game does not have to shrink the squares (for me, that board is 90x40), and have the mine count be 1/3 of the total squares. I do not recommend exceeding 1/3 of the total, because the algorithm will give up and just lazily shove all the mines into one part of the board, making your game laughably easy.
@michaelsong55555 жыл бұрын
9:10 You don't want to "click randomly." There are two factors to consider when you have no choice but to take risks: 1. See the probability. If you have 3 choices, and only one of them has mine, then you should prefer to click one of those (66% correct). Compared to 1 out of 2, which is (50%). 2. If the chances are the same (such as this video), then click on something that has a good payout -- aka, if you clear one of the mine, then it clears a lot of other cells. Clicking randomly in this particular case was a stupid move, because even though he got the correct one, it still didn't improve his actual situation, and therefore, he had to take another risk right afterwards.
@georgekyriakou8024 жыл бұрын
someone had to say that. custom boards can lead to really challenging probability or payout thinking, which is nice when you are already bored playing by the same standard techniques
@kilgour224 жыл бұрын
A true random click actually has a 79.375% chance of not being a mine. Technically, a random click is superior to the vast majority of guesses. Obviously there's information given by the current layout, and it's important to calculate the probabilities of various squares. A pseudorandom guess is optimal, whereby one eliminates known high-probability-of-mine squares from the clickable pool to maximize the probability of the remaining squares being safe. He demonstrated this conditional probability near the end of the video, with the two mines remaining in a bunch of unknown squares.
@yassinehimadi Жыл бұрын
@@kilgour22 not in late game
@bobczech777411 ай бұрын
@@yassinehimadi 5050s suck. The times I lose to a 5050 make me mad and gets me vexed with the game.
@Sideshow-Bob22 күн бұрын
@@kilgour22 sorry but no, 79.375 % chance of not being a mine would only be the first click with no mines discovered. By the end of the game the chance of a random click falling into a mine is MUCH higher.
@tautvydasa776 жыл бұрын
thats what I hate about this game, its that sometimes you just have to guess
@jacobg86404 жыл бұрын
@@khaledashrifena21novagymna48 There are points where you absolutely have to guess. If you get to a corner and are left with a 50-50, there's no working your way around it.
@ders.4 жыл бұрын
Khaled Ashrife 8B Korsavadsskolan 7-9 Did you watch the video?
@yourdad54713 жыл бұрын
I just died in my very last 2 boxes... And wrong guess... F****
@yourdad54713 жыл бұрын
@@ders. he probably didn't
@TRBenjiSwiss3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobg8640 ive gotten to a point where i always lose a 50-50 guess so really is 0-0 for me lmao
@matsang20082 жыл бұрын
After 8 years, finally you opened my eyes on logic behind the Minecraft, thank You.
@sharkfiinn2 жыл бұрын
minecraft....
@matsang20082 жыл бұрын
@@sharkfiinn sorry got it wrong 🤣 i meant MineSweeper 🤣
@xCARNAGEakaRAYRAY7 жыл бұрын
17 years I've wondered what happened if you won. 17 YEARS!
@superyeah4ever25 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@zcw1233 жыл бұрын
30 years here
@Mlindos2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Random-zt4ig3 жыл бұрын
Man thanks for this! I've always loved minesweeper but when I tried this expert difficulty I found it really difficult your tips helped me! Thanks
@cranelord2 ай бұрын
Ive been looking for a guide like this. Ive got the basics down but this opened a line of thinking I've never considered. Thanks.
@dh27789 жыл бұрын
There are 5 mines you can count in the last situation, not four. Making the correct educated guess plays a big part in achieving higher win percentages.
@jimraynor31559 жыл бұрын
I checked again and I only see four. Remember, the "areas" that you count must be completely non-overlapping.
@dh27789 жыл бұрын
Jim Raynor You may want to triple check that. Remember, there are two missing around the bottom 3.
@jimraynor31559 жыл бұрын
Ah yeah, you're right, you can count 5. Thanks.
@irl87963 жыл бұрын
@@dh2778 this isn’t true. there has to be 2 there, but it was very possible one could have came from the 4 above and 2 next to it. I get the outcome in hindsight was different, but That would have made only 4 you can for sure count.
@dh27783 жыл бұрын
@@irl8796 You should count again.
@Revelatus5 жыл бұрын
i coded my own version of minesweeper, it helped me learn how the game works but this video helped me understand a lot of the necessary logic to win in expert
@crimsontortoise52982 жыл бұрын
can someone play yours?
@conspiracytheorylover2 жыл бұрын
I learned new tricks 1:29 and 2:40 and others from this video .... and your video is easy to understand thank you very much :D
@ChangaChet3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, I was struggling with the contradicting logics, now I know how. Thanks again
@ankitkumarsingh22096 жыл бұрын
I really really like your technique.. .. Hey I have been able to solve advance minesweeper first time..Thanks..
@SmokingSpoon3 жыл бұрын
Really nice guide! It's even better since it's Jimmy Raynor! i'm happy that I knew pretty much all of these tips/logics on my own from playing too much lol.
@ChandanKumar-du1of7 ай бұрын
Keystone video IMO. Made me give up the guessing game most of the times. Thank you for existing.
@sicdav1d0ff8 жыл бұрын
That's the one small step i needed to become a lot better. Thanks
@gg123gaming84 жыл бұрын
Finally after 19 years i finally know how to play it
@TAB-Spec7 жыл бұрын
definitely sharing for my family and friends... or not I could act like a pro and wow them for forever... THAT sounds FUN!!!
@KeisariCubes3 жыл бұрын
Wow this helped me alot! I didn't realise I can use basic sudoku techniques for MS too!
@wing0ng9 жыл бұрын
I really like this video. Thanks for the tips!
@eggy3379 ай бұрын
This is exactly what i was looking for
@ldoubleprime16542 жыл бұрын
As a 14 year old getting into such a old game i really was struggling with the logic part of this game of how situations would over satisfy others only focusing on patterns and the obvious mines and that would make me trip up this made me understand more situations more clearly so thank you video made years ago
@powfoot49462 жыл бұрын
Im happy im not the youngest person playing this
@epikbaconb97805 ай бұрын
Very nice walkthrough
@MLL65 Жыл бұрын
i love how you play this game
@MrStarTraveler4 жыл бұрын
IMO something you did but didn't explain well is how educated guesswork works. Or evaluating probabilities based on the known numbers. For example: At 9:06 Let's take cells at row 1 columns 15, 16, 17.(counting from upper left corner) Looking at the know numbers there, we can estimate that there is only one mine among those three cells. Therefore clicking on any one of them gives 75% chance of survival and 25% chance of stepping on a mine. That's a good chance IMO. I would prefer that instead of randomly clicking on a cell I have no idea what's the chance of being safe or not. Also at 9:06 If we look at two pairs of cells; One pair at (rows 1 and 2, column 14) and the other pair at (row 2, columns 14 and 15). Both pairs have one mine among the two cells that consist them. However since both pairs share a cell at row 2, column 14, that might indicate the chance there is a mine in that cell is greater than the change of two mines being in the other two cells not shared by the two pairs. That's especially true if counting the missing mines indicated by known numbers in non-overlapping regions gets most of the mines accounted for. Well if most of the missing mines get accounted for then clicking on in a completely unknown region makes more sense but you get what I mean. :)
@roeniss7 ай бұрын
15, 16, 17 how make 75% of survive? you mean 66%?
@MrStarTraveler7 ай бұрын
@@roeniss It was a bad example. But Yeah it's 66% not 75.
@heynando8 жыл бұрын
so freaking cool. thanks a lot!
@Mikeandnike58 жыл бұрын
Thanks u man......this video was really awesome. thank u again man.
@dhiaafid61595 жыл бұрын
The first one minutes just explains everything.
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@anuragdey_6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video 🙏🙏🙏
@jessicawang65585 жыл бұрын
You sound like a math major :D
@zorac916 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I've completed it several times but I split cells 50/50 way too much (winrate is very meh). This helped a lot
@epikbaconb97805 ай бұрын
I'm back thanks for the tips they work very well
@gabeh76558 жыл бұрын
how enlightening, jfc I wish I thought of this on my own
@skateordiemusic2 жыл бұрын
First 2 min and ive already learned a good trick: when its guess and counting time, i always start with "if theres a bomb in this cell" and i see you start with "if theres no bomb here" and that way you find the right hipothesis faster than i do. Definitely im gonna try this and time to see the rest of the video! Good job
@BerettaTV6 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Deefunx9 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you.
@MLL65 Жыл бұрын
easy tip is when you see in line 1 and 2..The third square will be a mine because it is the only square that has increased the number
@qazwsxedcrfvtgbyh4802 жыл бұрын
man youre amazing tbh
@danielargieri9055 Жыл бұрын
as clear as one can be. thanks!
@gxtr13249 ай бұрын
Very amazing 💯💯💥💥✨✨
@tesscrelli7832 жыл бұрын
10 seconds in: "I assume you're already familiar with minesweeper" YT recommends: "Idgaf about your familiarity with the game in question, watch this"
@RonaiHenrik2 жыл бұрын
Okay Im glad that I'm not totally stupid, I already knew all of this, figured it out by myself but jesus christ his speed is on a different level. I guess it's all down to practice from now on.
@bobczech777410 ай бұрын
4:56 yes in my nf run i counted the mines that i would need to flag and got 98. That meant i could decipher where the mine was. 97 mine count means i would have to take a 50 50. 96 means no 50 50, the non mine was the square that was a mine in 98.
@brunogabriel820311 ай бұрын
You're a legend
@youz123 Жыл бұрын
nice guide
@wwplaymc1207 Жыл бұрын
thanks for helping
@xcv23157 жыл бұрын
very nice video thx man
@ciclismo14503 жыл бұрын
Also helps to look up some patterns
@narayandas48944 жыл бұрын
Thats amazing
@robertomariani6265 сағат бұрын
Interesting trick the assumptions that if there's a mine in a specific square, then some other number isn't gonna satisfy its conditions, I never considered that and that meant I had to take too many risks to ever realistically beat expert difficulty, I was however able to do average difficulty without knowing this because having to take risks is much rarer there, will see if I can beat expert with this new trick.
@bobdipietro10 жыл бұрын
Very nice job. Thank you for the instruction.
@Siberius-7 жыл бұрын
Super useful! thank you. I wondering if the game could be designed in such a way to never have to make random guesses.. seems randomized, if they just kicked out the guess games and made it like a saved maps thing it would be better.. thousands and thousands of games that actually work.. or games tht people complete get saved to the game and then used.. Edit: I just saw your other comment with a link to a game with no guessing.. suppose it does exist.
@DeluxeWarPlayaАй бұрын
Big job
@25yo219 ай бұрын
good video
@pinospin95882 жыл бұрын
The moment you click randomly and it pop out number 8
@CharlieSamSpruce3 жыл бұрын
Damn you definitely study maths. Could tell in first 30 seconds “trivial” and “contradiction”
@Amunny2 жыл бұрын
Yeah people who enjoy playing minesweeper usually also study maths or enjoy math related subjects.
@skye4591 Жыл бұрын
so if theres a corner thats an empty space with no number directly horizontal or verrtical to it then ignore that space? in this video i didnt see you recognize these at all
@wit_ef88533 жыл бұрын
Let's pretend I can do that logic by myself 💀
@arthurrobert21356 жыл бұрын
Realy realy realy good!!!
@Jonas-yv6lo6 ай бұрын
Lol so I guess I'm also an expert, did these "tips" intuitively already, it's just logic really. Just trying to get faster now, cheers fellow expert!
@Kaitri2 жыл бұрын
Why am i watching this? Why am i enjoying it
@gregoryzala1368 жыл бұрын
that really helped alot thanks a lot
@jennifermorikawa4909 Жыл бұрын
I spent nine hours one day trying to beat expert and then got it within 30 minutes the next day
@ashwanivats348 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation was really good. People often ignore whats hidden in the boxes. Calculations and all. You still play? Any new patterns? 48*27 (150 bombs), what's your time?
@benoita.7254 жыл бұрын
Playing at the advanced level, you need to make guess(es) majority of the times, and more often if you customized by adding mines. So you need to make educated guess(es). Yes, leaving a small area unfinished and come back later when you know how many mines are left may be a good strategy. Also you go where the % is better (say 3/4 instead of 1/2 or pure random). It also depends what you want to achieve; % of success or speed. I play for speed so I tend to guess in the first 15-20 seconds. Lastly, a good strategy is to open more than one "workable area" at the beginning, so yes, more guesses ! salutations du Québec...
@hemplll1872 жыл бұрын
good vid bro
@theorange17294 жыл бұрын
6:55 Or you can move on by putting a flag above that 4 ;) but seriously though, this video is awesome, just helpful for someone like me, thanks a lot
@PretzelBS2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t show anything I didn’t already know. Guess there aren’t any next-level strats that I’m missing
@marttielvisto35192 жыл бұрын
Same I just have to practice a lot
@urosrakic69002 жыл бұрын
After I figured out how to chord, I can beat Minesweeper on Intermediate. Before that, I was struggling even with Beginner mode. But now, I can beat Minesweeper on Intermediate mode. On expert mode... there will be 95% chance that you have to guess (which is something that I hate). Because of the fact that you have to guess, I can't beat Expert mode. I sometimes lose on Intermediate mode due to that. But, usually, I beat Intermediate mode.
@7kenjoyer2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that you're improving, but I'd love to point out that you made your conclusion way too early. On average, decent players can win 20 games out of 100. Top players can win even more games, which is around 40. The highest numbers are above 50 out of 100, but that needs luck. This number must be even higher, because windows version always gives an opening on the first click, which will increase the win rate a bit So, I'd say you're lacking logic in expert games, and you think you have to guess when it's not the case. I'm not trying to advertise anything, but the best way to learn logic is to play no guessing mode on minesweeper online (website). That mode only generates boards that can be solved with logic, and the last difficulty (evil) includes complex logic. It will definitely make you feel you have to guess, because there's still a lot to learn. That mode has useful hints that actually make you learn, but I don't recommend using them too much. Also, that website has a bunch of guides written by top players on advanced patterns and other things that will be very useful for a player at your level. That website has a chat full of very experienced players that will answer any questions you have. If you don't want to go to any websites, then I recommend staring at the board whenever you think you have to guess. Good luck!
@urosrakic69002 жыл бұрын
@@7kenjoyer I think that these words are so discouraging. I'm trying hard to beat Minesweeper on Expert mode (Hard difficulty), and you're saying that I'm giving conclusion very early and that I'm lacking logic? I'm trying my best to beat that board, and most of the time, Minesweeper forces me to guess. And I hate that. I'm on the verge to stop playing Minesweeper.
@7kenjoyer2 жыл бұрын
@@urosrakic6900 Sorry that it turned this way. At least I hope it was obvious I'm trying to help and not make you stop playing minesweeper. You know where to go if you need help (I mentioned in my first comment). Unfortunately you can't learn everything by just playing offline on your own. By lacking logic I meant that you probably don't know some of the patterns (expert has more patterns than intermediate) and then you make a conclusion you have to guess instead of progressing safely. I haven't seen you play though but judging by your conclusion I think that you still have things to learn to increase your win rate. I'm actually involved in its community and I know what players are capable of who studied all of the guides and practiced a lot. Everyone has an equal chance of blasting in the corner or when they encounter a forced 50:50 yet top players can win much more games than me or you for example Also if you dislike guessing this much then you will probably love no guessing mode on that website. Not to mention that site encourages people to play different variety (efficiency, no flags, high difficulty, etc.) with quests events and arenas and you will probably find something that you love more than what you're currently doing in minesweeper. It also has an awesome community. Good luck
@cygnusx-74403 жыл бұрын
Good video! I, like so many other people, play 'PANNICK' minesweeper, full of crazy chances and frequent losses. I've had a couple games under 90 seconds, but I've NEVER taken the time to flag safe spots. And yes, it's hard to commit to a game that gives you 'can't win' scenarios. Many corner trapped "50-50" guess situations...
@gxbrxxl96264 ай бұрын
In summary: "Let's assume"
@Nico-qu4ve8 жыл бұрын
HOLY GENIUS!!
@samueladams57098 жыл бұрын
Really good thanks for the help.
@Supersonic19 күн бұрын
I didn't think i was gunna learn from this, but my starting assumption was wrong.
@arthurleonard83907 жыл бұрын
what version of minesweeper does he play
@jsy01607 жыл бұрын
I was wondering how you were able to clear multiple cells at ~3:45 with just one click?
@jimraynor31557 жыл бұрын
It's done by pressing both mouse buttons together. You first have to mark the exact number of mines indicated on the cell.
@arijanj7 жыл бұрын
i dont get it can you explain a little bit better please
@NotAmour7 жыл бұрын
Try clicking on the left and right mouse buttons at the same time.
@TypeRob3 жыл бұрын
Were you able to figure this out? I'm a little confused too in the technique
@fathiadnan14685 жыл бұрын
My brain is bleeding
@cyberstalker17133 жыл бұрын
Once My Internet Is Shut Dead! I Tried To Timepass By Playing Minesweeper "Now I Am Addicted"
@henrywolbeck793 Жыл бұрын
Now for beginner.
@asdf42374 жыл бұрын
Lets Assume I dont have brain, oh,but i can type meaningful sentence,that means the initial assumption was incorrect, that means i have a brain....
@UnderscoreZeroLP3 жыл бұрын
Shut up idiot
@MI-zt1wv2 жыл бұрын
philosophy in a nutshell
@nicolasross6422 жыл бұрын
what to do when 1 mine left and only 2 spots but no logic to follow? no numbers no nothing, just to spots. That happens often
@Ausar08 жыл бұрын
Holy fuck you play quickly.
@nonamemister2643 Жыл бұрын
lmaoooo, it do be like that tho, 96% of the time, logic and brain games, the last 4%, "Now we play the guessing game"
@Evan-gj5si6 жыл бұрын
I always come down to like 4 spots left with 2 mines and it’s a complete guessing game ecks dee And with my luck I fuck it up 90% of the time.
@roughryder59 жыл бұрын
Show off. Joking, your a legend.
@Idontwantyourcookies10 ай бұрын
After learning how to play minesweeper, I found it frustrating to find out you can't win every game.. not even on easy. That's pretty different to other games that I'm used to playing
@younghochu9 жыл бұрын
Great! Thanks!
@Ahmed-th1li2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but does best time say "103"?? BECAUSE THAT CAN'T BE TRUE, the number isn't clear in my screen, someone comfirm the numer please.
@Lommy99996 жыл бұрын
I feel dumb
@Edtuma Жыл бұрын
I keep getting rectangles with only 1, like how tf am i supposed to beat this if I have to guess
@mohamad.manla.983 жыл бұрын
I watched the video hoping that you would find a trick for the “luck” issue but actually I know all that 😂💔
@JaqenHghar.8 жыл бұрын
Fuck hes good
@ThanosBabaji4 жыл бұрын
It's 2020 and i am watching this Is it ok
@jan_Travis3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Minesweeper is best game.
@peteiiseasy32173 жыл бұрын
Yeah 2021 les goo
@koutaibaalabd96028 жыл бұрын
i got to this point a long time ago, obviously by playing it a lot. but it annoys me when i have to try my luck which is stupid. i saw a record of 33 seconds for the expert level and it kills me that i don't know how that guy did it
@jimraynor31558 жыл бұрын
There's a Minesweeper clone on this site called "Mines": www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ You can play in-browser or download a desktop version. This version eliminates the luck aspect!
@joeknapton35824 жыл бұрын
Nicely done, a good amount of detail but not SO much that it drags. I didn't really necessarily learn anything here, but it was fun to see someone else try to explain the same methods I use personally.
@christopherpang2003 жыл бұрын
why do i not see your name in the world record list