The Woodsmaster was the first rifle I ever hunted with. Still love it to this very day.

Had a Model 81 in 300 Savage and it was a tack driver. That's one I wish hadn't gotten away.

lmao true

I have a model 8 with a semi-pistol grip. Yes it is a model 8.

8 over 81 all day

With 128 gun patents to his name I would have to agree with you

He sure was. He invented entirely new categories of firearms.

Time traveler

well it was a worse RSC 17 imo

all hail john moses browning: the gun god

That's where it comes from. The gas system was taken from the Garand.

If I remember correctly the safety is based off it, the gas system and rotating bolt from the garand, general form factor from the stg44, the later stamped sheet metal receivers was also pioneered by the germans. I'm sure Mikhail Kalashnikov had other influences too

Mikhail Kalashnikov took inspiration from many existing guns. I would not be suprised if the AK's safety and switch design was improved copy of this.

Standing on the shoulders of giants and such.

I was under the impression that Simonov was developing the SKS concurrently, as a carbine with the characteristics of the Garand, where the AK was being developed as basically a beefed up SMG. Keep in mind before the STG was named that by Hitler it was classified as an Machine Pistole… I am aware that getting around Hitlers initial objections to the concept of an intermediate rifle round and his obsession with WWI era marksmanship concepts made smg classification necessary for funding and all… but sources do claim the AK was developed to replace SMGs and the SKS to act as standard issue battle carbine, until they realized that AK could do it all?

Хм ! 🤔🤔🤔 Вполне возможно !!! Тоже заметил сходство !!!

wrong! there was one there that day used by Louisiana deputy printis oaky. he borrowed it from a dentist. he shot Clyde in the head with it.

How can they tell who shot who? The pair got Swiss cheesed.

You mean "assassinated Bonnie & Clyde" don't you?

@@lightweight1974 Assassinated? Massacred more like

Good job for Frank Hamer he made the world a better place to live in!!! 👍

Ya gotta get the Remington 81 special police

*laughs in: BF1 Medic Class*

Same here, I had the chance, I found one at Cabelas a few years ago for a great price and didn't get it. :(

@@MrSpeedysChannel They are frequently available on Gunbroker.com. Some in pretty nice condition, for their age. Others....not so much.

@Mr. Duckhead I got the joke

That's the magic of editing: no heart attacks for you!

This and a Colt Monitor would make a great duo in a gun collection

Yes, the police version with the extended mag!! Very cool!!

Cheers uncle al

The MoM is intended as a medium that will draw viewership to the full-boat C&Rsenal episodes. As a quick teaser, it foxes the YT algorithm and actually gets recommended. Brevity is its very reason for existence. Instead of a longer MoM, a case could be made for "C&Rsenal Cliff's Notes" with the highlights of the hour-long Primer episode edited into a 5 or 10 minute format as you suggest, but I suspect that Othais doesn't want to go there as it would be treading dangerously close to his friend Ian's toes...

I like her wholesome girl next door look. She's easy on the eyes too.

Dude. Get one. Then save the other 2 for me

How much are they asking for them?

@@TriZaba They're going up for auction this weekend. So, the price is still unknown. The shop usually has all sorts of shit that's been featured on Primer. 2 WWII Springfield Snipers, and an M1C Garand are going up for auction as well. They have a walls of just surplus arms. Berthiers, Martini Henrys, Lee Enfields, no joke, if you name it they probably have it. Even a Johnson Rifle.

Lucky. I've never even seen one on real life.

@@vive6500 I suggest sending the auctions date and location to Ian at Forgotton Weapons he would probably appreciate it

Yeah, naah. Other than 1) it's a rifle, and 2) it has an ejection port-covering safety, they're nothing at all alike.

@@lairdcummings9092 it also weighs about the same and has a similar enough rear sight

@@doublepiedavid8908 so, AK must be the Russian Remington knock-off, based on superficial data. Gotcha. Mikhail Kalashnikov, ripoff artist. Good to know. 🙄

That's generally believed to be the inspiration for the AK's safety. I think Ian touched on that in his video about the models 8 & 81.

The Model 8 was produced between 1906-1939 and the Model 81 between 1936-1950. That gets me thinking of an AK in 300 Savage or 35 Remington.

Definitely!!

To who? You do know the US Ordnance isn't that open to new bullet guzzlers until the 1960's. Same as the rest...

Pretty funny that these rifles did enjoy a certain popularity in law enforcement and Fed. Bureau of Prisons use. At one time, Midway Arms bought a large amount of .30 Remington FMJ ammo as surplus. They made some money using the cartridge cases to make custom ammo for Japanese Nambu pistols. Funny that the .30 Remington govt surplus ball ammo wasn't very valuable 40 years ago. Can you imagine having one of the prison guns along with original ammo now?

Those are in the longer videos.

yes they have. and the later 1910 variation I believe

@Mr. Cool Actually, there was the very similar (if a touch hotter) .35 Winchester, introduced in 1903 for the Model 1895. Doesn't seem to have done that well commercially though.

Not enough M1s to go around. The Army was in a massive expansion using all the M1s that could be produced. Marine Corps having the secondary equipment until the Army has its fill. The Model 8 is not a good military weapon. Look at anyone disassembling the weapon. Too many small parts. But for closer range combat a .35 isn't all that bad and in the hands of troops who can exercise the required level of care, I can see the benefit over a Springfield 1903.

@@iansneddon2956 The .30 Remington was the cartridge that the USMC used in their Remingtons. I believe the Federal Bureau of Prisons also made extensive use of it in these rifles too. That might well have been why there were enough rifles and ammo available or rapidly made to minimally outfit 1st Marine Raiders.

Are you insane? The model 8 kicks like a fucking mule. I’ve shot 50 bmg guns that kick less than a model 8 in 35 rem.