"How to make a small fortune in racing, start with a big one" (Common one here in the U.S.)

Good one :)

which one?

Great and accurate statement.

@@madanielk6526 the main one, but basically then also the second :)

Or just be Eddie Jordan... the man that can make anything work

@@jdubz22 even he was lucky, had so many visits from bailiffs he was on 1st name terms with them he says in his book, even though they had 7up as title sponsors they had massive debts up until Sasol & yamaha came on board

@Matt man Being in F1 is probably the ONLY way to become a millionaire in racing. And considering they're like the top 0.01% of racing drivers, the lowest paid drivers make only like $200k/yr. So you have to be the best of the best. Plus their road to F1 would have cost them, according to Toto Wolff, $8 million minimum even for the talented drivers that did very well in the lower series'. That's the cost of everything from karting through all the lower formulas. And then if you lose your seat after a year or 2 you wouldn't even make it all back. And that's at minimum for a talented driver with good sponsorship, if you're Lance Stroll... Well. It cost his father an estimated $80 million for his seat.

Forget who said it but also “I know there is money in racing, I have spent a lot doing it”

Tommy L there sure is money in it, but you’re better off selling the equipment, tires, race gas, etc..

Hamaad Raja still cheaper than the shoes she will buy at 80% off ;)

That's cheap. My last trackday cost me $10000 (NZ$). My engine overheated and seized up... :(

@@MaddmattH RIP

I usually may 150-350 depending on the track and depending on the day. And I only go once a month, so very cheap.

That's why I street race, cheaper

Mene Center ...or do a Randy Lanier

good advice, thanks Micha :D

Both

And they die faster less headache later

Mene Center Prick

That's cool man

Sniffly Tooth awesome story dude really appreciate you taking the time to write this down!! Do you have any video videos

Dont it just...

Caterhams are great aren't they, years ago I did a track day at Oulton park using a 1600 championship car with an instructor showing us the lines, that was one of my best days ever, and they are fkn quick when driven properly :) .There are plenty of yt videos showing 7s putting bigger more expensive cars to shame on many tracks.

I dont know why anyone would race with a solid axle but; yes indeed if anyone can finish a race with that handy cap my god hats off to you! I too would have tears of joy lol. Bloody good one!

Can't blame!

300€ PC what 😂 no Way. More like 1300€

@@Hessenspotter 300€ for the wheel set

@@Hessenspotter L2Read

Legit alternative or go carting

Pretty sure cartels have more expensive and faster cars. Crooked cops are everywhere, even here in the states.

Nigga what???

@@leviSyosef chill bro

@@leviSyosef driving in the USA but saying the footage was recorded in "Mexico"

Or you “ Borrow “ a friends car

My dad is a millionare, im pretty sure i can.

@@cinota1704 i was just kidding, i wanted to see what people would say

Even if I could afford it I wouldn't do it!

@@PrimiusLovin why not

@@roymendoza530 bc primius loves his prius 🤣

Look at this rich guy over here, being able to afford air conditioning.

I tell you what though, after all the hard work and money spent, the first time you get on the top step of the podium makes it all seem worth it. It’s still not worth it, mind, but it does seem like it for a short while.

I tried to race once, but it was too much hassle and expensive to pay for it on my own and it felt like paying to work hard at the gym... or even paying to work!!

@Matt man Not my fault, no one's willing to pay me a salary so that I can afford these racing prices, and even if I had that money I'd probably spend it in something else more sensible and important for me, not in burning fuel around a race track!

@Matt manA very long time ago I tried to get into motorcycle racing in a national championship in my country but it's not as easy as you think to convince people and build a team to help you when you're just starting up... unless you throw lots of money at it/them! Their answer when I showed my proposal and even offered my motorcycle for racing and sponsor the dealership was that the weekends are for the family, not for racing around the country!!

Kinda like how drug dealers never talk about how costly your habit is going to become!

Stephen E Nah the price is cheap for a reason. I bet you wouldn’t want to live there if you’re a guy who need to go to the workplace on a daily basis and occasionally go for tack days.

Actually NO, if you crash you pay, and pay, and pay.

Adrian Tsui as a vacation property 50k is dirt cheap tho...

German here, the land would cost min. 100k, even more. We build our houses with stone, so plus min. 100k-150k for a small house. Oh man, it's not cheap :/

@@mohammadwasilliterate8037 Uhm... no it's not?

Well if a country didn't want that they could just support motor sport, to make it possible for younger (forcibly poorer) ppl to go for it... but they don't so here they go.

Hasn't it always been like that? Started as an elite sport and it's still expensive. Maybe that's why people still race karts.

Check out kart racing, still expansive

Motorcycles are affordable though

@@1RVDB Surely it'll always cost money but probably it's the least expensive.

i just pulled out my phone and installed real racing, just pulled to the side to add this comment.... man steering with my 2inch screen in the air is exhilarating, all i need is a person either side of me blowing in my face

Why not gran turismo?

@@OldManePeace cause Assetto Corsa is a lot better lmao

@@OldManePeace i would love to do grand turismo but i have the g920 and a PS4 and PC not a Xbox but one day I will try GT

@@jeffrey3530 hey mate, the gran turismo series are for playstation consoles :)

I laughed out loud

@@fabianspec_exe yea me too

Hahaha yeah let your kids do drugs, don’t race cars, I lol’d literally.

or build lego technic, thats expensive too

i laughed for 10 mins... because im on drugs

Still, I'd better have the best adjustable setup for that price

😂😂😂🙌🏻

Thanks for the advice, i might consider doing it that way :D

😂🤣

Even better if the missus can't drive, you can use the excuse that you're teaching her to drive. 😂😂😂

Purchase a DD2 and a motion cockpit FOR your wife. She'll be "thrilled" and you will experience a night unlike ANY other! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Deurlii what is top speed -+110 km??

Against what, a muscular guy on a bike

Mobility scooter racing league...

You can buy a bit more expensive insurarance and pay $4,000 depending on the car. The problem is that someone could cause you to go into a barrier and you still have to pay that, even if it wasn't your fault.

SI0AX why doesn't their insurance pay?

@@kapilbusawah7169 they do, thats why its just 8k for you

@@kapilbusawah7169 why would insurance pay for your fault? They are a business out to make profit. It’s simple.... you crash you pay. If you don’t want to pay then don’t risk it.

simracing doesn't , just hard to balance it with work/school

And dangerous, could be lethal. So whats the different xd

@Saku At one point, it became so bad it was almost suicide.

I still wish I blew my money on cocaine and hookers instead of my car lol

Tbh you probably spent waaaay more getting to be a factory driver than you will ever get paid/ compensated, AND you have to worry quite a lot on performing or you will lose your job as it is a very competitive market. (But most factory drivers would have a comfortable life without a job)

You'd still need to be at least a better driver than him, otherwhise you'd constantly have to buy new track cars (I heard they are not free) ;)

If it has wheels it will brake you

On what? Travelcosts?

That’s a bit of a stretch.. I race kz fairly competitively and don’t spend near that much. I understand it’s not cheap to be at the top level. traveling to nationals and renting a spot under a tent can suck up some cash but not 100k a season.

@@coltincraigo5007 i can guarantee you that there are parents spending that wedge on their kids in the uk. Crazy

@@bodinski100 I heard from someone who knew Marcus Armstrong (Ferrari Junior Academy driver in F3 now) say that $100k (NZD) so around 50k euro was spent in just a weekend racing for a factory kart team (Tony Kart) in Europe.

So true. I watched co-workers project cars just vanish the second they hooked up with someone. What's really sad is they know they fucked up too, and you can't roll the clock back. Glad I knew from a young age to avoid marriage. Vary rarely does it end up working out for both parties.

Honda S2000 👍

Haha don't marry a lazy ass housewife without career or money. I raced streetbikes before I met her and have graduated to racecars with her income added. We're working on our 12th year together. So many sad men out there marrying useless women

How much money you making?!?!

@@easley421 jon jones is trash, still being married is trash, just have a gf if you wanna have 1 girl

LMAO! I remember reading an article explaining the whole fiasco, but that proves the whole point so much stronger. Cars alone just to get to work is a heavily depreciating asset and basically a waste of money for everyone not just racers. Racing takes the same thing but to a whole new level of money loss.

SI0AX I think its more so of an asset thats being eroded by manipulators of the global economy tbh. If more people could afford to go racing i think they would. They’d also spend on other things thatll get them out the house instead of drugs and alcohol.

@@Dubz0408 there are also people that use the extra money to get more drugs and booze. I think, honestly, i may even be inelastic (you Will consume pretty much tha same wether you can afford It or not). At the end of the day... Thats the sad thing about addictions

@@Dubz0408 so true

I bet it could be so much cheaper. Have a race event on not so used public roads. Every once in a while. Make these roads safer, permanently.

Yes, but in endurance racing you'd like a light weight version

I run a Schroth SHR Flex for sprint and endurance racing, and it’s pretty light-$475 US

No

Sour.

Noah 😂

nunya binis id love to attend 24h lemons but cant afford it since i live in germany :(

Bro this man just said lemons 🍋 I

Bro, why you gotta be stealin my screen name?

Racing makes crack look like a starter drug!!

Go racing. Much cheaper than having kids.

@@no1cares965 Hamilton's dad worked two jobs to afford the karts and fees. He then worked into the night to work on the karts.

he has talent as well, he mirrors his idol senna.... he was a rich boy too with family supporting him

Hope you know that hamilton wasn't actually paying those fees. He just had a contract for a team and got his money for driving that's it.

@@antwango who? Hamilton or Senna?

Today you can be also become a racing driver through Sim Racing. Only problem, the competition is extremely high, because nearly everybody can buy a Sim Rig and race.

for anybody to become a factory driver they need luck and talent, they also need to be organised with a strong work ethic. Brains optional.

Being a factory driver requires a few things. First, Talent. Second, money and lots of it. You can't show your talent unless you're driving expensive cars in expensive series. Third - connections. If you know the right people, and have the right combination of talent/money, maybe you'll get a drive. There are few (almost none at all) professional drivers who came from nothing. Just to race a cadet kart requires two working class parents to sacrifice their salary. Unfortunately motorsport is not like football, where a young kid from the slums can make it big. You need to be bankrolled pretty much from your early teens to stand a chance. However - If you're a millionaire, skill is irrelevant. You can buy your way straight into Blancpain GT, top tier formula series and even Le Mans/F1 if you have a little skill. Not being bitter, it's just the reality of this sport.

@@RichieSpeed My experience is, that in Germany, if a young driver can drive and does not crash cars then he, or she, will be offered paid drives in competitive cars. If you are a "pilot", you can always find owners who will let you drive their cars. Contrary to your assertion, skill is very relevant, rich pay per ride drivers don't win championships. Racing is about winning.

​@@uberseehandel You'll have to show me some examples. Just to become a driver at club level requires many thousands of euros/pounds. So, just to get in a car, even an old E36 BMW, will cost you maybe £3,000 just to hire one, do a test and a race. If you want to own one, maybe you need £5,000 + all the additional costs to race = season budget of something between £12,000 - £15,000. How many average class people earning between £20k-40k per year have a spare £12,000 in cash, as well as renting/living in a house and paying the bills? This is a huge amount of money and only gets you in an average car, running without a team or support. Lets say you find the £12k you need to run a "poor person" race season. And you're so good, you get top 3 overall in your first ever season, against 40+ other drivers including multiple champions and rich kids coming up from karting on 10x your budget. Who is going to offer you a drive in a £100,xxx GT car? When has this ever happened? I've raced with literally hundreds of club drivers, including some who are absolutely 100% good enough to win at international level, none of them ever got offered a drive. Some already had money and moved on from club racing. Those who didn't have money either still club race, or quit and spent money on family life. The idea that you can earn a drive with professional teams just by driving fast and not crashing is far from reality unless you have some great friends in high places in the motorsport world.

@@RichieSpeed You get friends in high places in the automotive world by not crashing. I have the advantage over you, I ran a Porsche Supercup team (the ones you see on F1 weekends) for a couple of seasons. None of our drivers paid, and most of them worked as mechanics to fund their living costs. They drove to eat. They were working class boys and girls. Based on my own personal experience, in Germany, once car manufacturers and tuners knew that you are a "pilot", then they will offer you cars to drive. They know you will talk to your acquaintances and friends about the car's virtues (and failings). If you have languages, you may even get asked to help with the launch of a new model. The major German manufacturers have some world class drivers working on their Driver Education programs. These folk recognise the fast reliable drivers, and tell their bosses and colleagues who they have noticed.

Good comment

That would literally buy a parking spot in Vancouver. Not even joking.

www.narcity.com/news/ca/bc/vancouver/vancouver-parking-space-listed-for-dollar50000-show-how-unaffordable-real-estate-can-be

Here in london, that's a decently sized house with something most people don't get (a garage) for the price of buying a tiny flat in a bad neighborhood looooool

That's why they're called dreams. They're not true.

That's why you start young in carting or other actually cheap and affordable classes then you get sponsors. I'm pretty sure if you go financing your own racing gig your doing it wrong.

You could pull a JImmy Broadbent and race them online

@@lazichicken1236 and then get a drive in touring car racing and have huge amounts of publicity. Win-win situation for Shaques Villeneuve

You would have had to start racing when you were 5

smart man

I feel like doing the opposite right now... but that probably has more to do with the fact that I've never been with a woman... and I've sent so much money and time on repairing and modifying cars(way more than a years worth of my wage) that I wouldn't mind getting a spoiled rich daddy's girl who is a total bitch as a girlfriend and blowing a lot of money and dealing with her problems because I feel that the stuff I've been through cars is so expensive and stressing that a girl that does the same will be no problem for me. lol

Steve McQueen said: "I spent a lot of money on booze, women, and race cars. The rest, I just wasted".

best thing you can do. I love it :-)

Davin Sturdivant: In my experience, endurance racing as a gentleman-driver gives you the most seat-time for the money.

@@981porsche3 Where I could see why one might think that, nope. Because karting tracks are largely managed by clubs, rather than run by businesses, they can have lower track dues and requires less overhead to run. For example, my home track of PSGKA has a daily use fee of $10 to use the track all day. If I do 100 laps of practice, that comes out to 10 cents per lap. Even more "expensive" tracks that cost $50 or $70 per day, equate to cents on the dollar per lap. With a set of tires costing $250, and a smaller scale for fuel and everything else, you can't be karting for cost per lap (and a good two stroke kart can hold up to 3G in the corner laterally and do 70+ mph on a sprint track, inches from the ground.) Endurance racing is affordable, yeah, but that's largely because the costs are split up between multiple drivers. So yeah, it seems cheap, but you're not getting as much seat time as you think, in a car that's normally not yours, or you only partially own, etc.

Davin Sturdivant, but how much is racing in karting? How much per lap in practice seems pretty cheap, but there is a lot more cost than track time. What do you estimate the total cost is? I can do 5-6 hours of a 24 hour sports car race at a world-class track for $1200 + cost to get to the track and back. Granted, I already have gear. How much per hour does it work out to?

@@981porsche3 Equally in expensive. Entry fees for races are between $50 to $200 per event, where you have plenty of heats and large fields. Look, I've done plenty of kart racing and some car racing, and it looks like you've never been in a kart. You can't beat the amount of available seat time per year, than in kart. Period. You just don't get to race an M4, when you're kart racing.

Davin Sturdivant, yeah, you’re probably right then. Seems like karting is the cheapest real racing around. You’re right, I’ve never done kart racing (except a couple times at one of those small indoor places). I do have years of experience sports car racing though-sprint and endurance. Thanks for the perspective 👍🏻

Should we open a Funding page for Apex to go Public ? @Robert Mitchell please ?