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"We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" That was really funny

A child witnessing moonshiners is like a chicken witnessing a murder in Skyrim.

"I assume if you're still here you want the history part" me nodding furiously.

As the residential Michigander here, it's pronounced Mack-i-naw. I'll give you a pass on this one 😅

Short answer: Probably not. Longer answer: Moonshiners, even in the early days of the practice, were rather well known in their local communities. To the point that everyone and their brother in the community would know who was the moonshiners. Meaning that some rando kid wandering into a moonshiner's still, even if it's from someone outside of the community, wouldn't warrant a murder. What point would there be, from the moonshiner's perspective, of drawing even more attention to the surrounding area?

Here in WNC, the question “have you or do you drink moonshine more than once a year” was legitimately used by physicians and practitioners to determine whether a patient may be a “problem drinker” or not. The logic being that no one would drink moonshine without their primary goal being intoxication. 😂

potential moonshiner murder is not what I expected to be covered this week

It doesn't matter, really, but Aidan: rawboned (or raw-boned, or raw bone) is a descriptive word(s) meaning skinny, gaunt, or scrawny. So it's possible the source really did mean to type that about the dog. [Edited for clarity]

The ol’ saying goes “Once two strangers climbed ol' Rocky Top Lookin' for a moonshine still Strangers ain't come down from Rocky Top Reckon they never will” Go Vols

It's always refreshing to find a channel that doesn't thrive on sensationalism. Thanks for continuing to demystify and "de-bigfootize" these cases. I never miss an episode.

When you start out liking 411, but then slowly turn into it's archenemy. Best villain origin story ever.

Two things, It struck me as weird that a 3 year old would go off looking for the dog after it hadn't returned for a while, toddlers seem to live more in the moment so chasing it as it ran would make sense but i don't think they have the capacity yet to say "hmm the dog has been missing a while I should go find him." However the fact that he was following his siblings makes alot of sense in the regard. Anyway second thing please tell me we're getting"Bigfussy" shirts

Moonshine and moonshine distilling equipment? I believe you mean he sold Moonshine and Moonshine Accessories

David wants there to be more to a story than there actually is. Because most of the time the boring non spooky true doesn’t get the attention that something strange does

KZfaq randomly recommended a killdozer video to me about an hour ago, and now I am subscribed and waiting for a premiere. Good stuff!

Rawboned in refernece to the dog means it was bony, not well-fed

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."

I feel like this format - giving the David Paulides (sp?) version of the story before going and dissecting it - actually suits the topic quite well. It starts with how the story was presented as a Missing 411 case, what got it presented in that way, then discusses whether it does or does not truly belong

I was interested in Paulides' material, but it didn't take too long to see his subtext and pick up on how he was coloring his stories to fit his conclusions. So he's helpful for some of the research that he's done, but you have to take it with a grain of salt.

The “my shot killed him” thing is psychologically. It’s a guilty thing, not a logic one.

Live on the same Reservation as Sully’s Hill, ND, Now known as White Horse Hill. There’s a lot of ongoing missing person cases in our community that I think would interest you. Your indigenous history sections surprised me, when I first started watching your channel. Have been an avid viewer for months, never left a comment. Thank you for keeping up you and your team’s amazing work.

Moon shine mixed with powdered country time lemonade is a good way to drink some shine ✨we call it shineade

Some thoughts on cause of death, least important aspect of the case. I'm happy to provide citations if anyone wants to go down the spider/snake/poison rabbit hole after me. There aren't really spider species with medically significant venom in that area-particularly not ones which are inclined to bite. What does track for cause of death would be a snake bite, of which there are several very well camouflaged and quite defensive species hanging out. Some of those species share characteristics and behavior with snake species that are safe (enough) to bother. There are plenty of attractive looking plants and fungi which show up in the smokies as well, including some species which are safe to eat cooked but not raw-a differentiation a hungry toddler might not make on his own. (This has been your weekly engagement comment by me, brought to you by creepy crawly enjoyers against spider slander.)

I grew up in the Smokies so far back in the woods we didn't get the Saturday Night Grand Ole Opry until Tuesday morning. Your break down was great with the exception of the spider bite. Most likely a snake bite. March sees snakes out sunning themselves during the day and will find a warm spot(hollow log) in the evening and night. In my 70 years in these hills I've never seen a spider of any kind that could kill even a small rodent much less a healthy 3 year old. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy your vids.

When I was illegally working in a liquor store at 15, I knew a guy who made artisinal moonshine.

I participated in a field research class in the Cosby area of Tennessee so from an ecology perspective I can offer a bit of context. Venomous spiders in this region are way more rare than people think-- especially in March. March can get very cold, and most cold-blooded animals in this climate overwinter one way or another. Spiders seek warmth in places like sheds so you're much more likely to face them on a homestead than out in the wilderness at this time. There is the case for venomous snakes like diamond backs, but they are likewise going to brumate unless its an especially warm March. They recommend inexperienced hikers of the smokies come at latest mid May because that is when venomous snakes start to emerge from brumation. That isn't to say spiders and snakes don't exist in March they most definitely do, but they're going to be sluggish. A noisy three year old is not likely to catch any of these animals by surprise nor are they likely to capture the animal in much a situation where biting is its first response. Its still very possible, especially since he was found in a log where these critters might be hiding. But losing little Abe to exposure is significantly more likely.

I like this episode because its able to deconstruct the narrative and reveal that the traditional story is just an old wives tale

"We have plenty of cases to cover, do not make more" 😂🤣

I feel like David probably vets his sources when they don't say anything that helps fit his narrative and then let's it slide when sketchy sources do say things to fit his narrative. He seems like that kind of dude. Anyways, great video as always. ❤

"The toddler put on his coat, leaving around three." So, a toddler just walks out of the house, like he is a college kid, and adults don't know. OK. .....Neglect is so often behind the missing kids cases.

As a local to the area I can say this… contact the Sevier and/or Cocke county library. Sevier county’s has a lot of online resources and are always willing to help. Try the Mountain Press, Sevier county’s newspaper or the Knoxville News Sentinel which is the largest in the area and based out of Knox county. The Knox county library may have papers older than the sentinel. Lastly, the area of Cosby could swallow half the world today and people would never be found. Back then it would be far worse, but the people, even kids, would have been FAR more capable than 99.9% of people are today when it comes to survival and navigating the land.

Snake is more likely than spider imo. Great video

That pronunciation of Mackinac. It is much closer to Mack-in-awe

5:06 pronounced mack-in-aw. Sincerely, somebody from Michigan. (The city is spelled correctly, idk what happened when they named the island)

You ought to write your own book on these disappearances with the info you discovered. Poor little Abe. 😢 Every article I've read and video I have watched on Trenny mentioned Simpson, even going so far as to say that Trenny's comb, that she carried everywhere, was found in his car. Also, I found out that star sapphire ring and matching pendant were gifts (from her parents?) and were found to be in the possession of a female classmate who never returned them to her parents. Trenny's case has left me completely confused by the contradictory information to the point that now I am wondering if she even existed at all.

That opening line is gold.

Aiden: please don't make more cases Me, already covered in barbecue sauce and lounging in front of a bear den: oh, *now* you say something?

I don't believe that Lore Daddy Attis really hates David Paulidis all that much. I feel like you just gets frustrated that he did a little bit of digging but then didn't verify what he dug up and is trying to show that with a little bit of extra time you can verify what could be truth and what could be false claims

Even if the older stories have little evidence or documentation it’s still fun to hear them deconstructed

The fr*nch naming conventions strike back in today's episode's Michigan lore mention

B-But muh Bigfoot! *-David Paulides, probably*

I fail to believe moonshiners would hurt a 3year old local boy. The dog under the porch leads me to believe a animal is responsible for this disappearance

As a Michigander hearing mackinack hurts.

Stock car racing began with running moonshine. 😂.

love when you rip apart bad research! so relieved to have the history section back! so sad for Abe

I found out after my dad's funeral that grandpa had been a moonshiner, his grandfather before that, and that some of my aunts, uncles, and cousins took up the family hobby. Seems like maybe I missed out on a grand tradition.

This series has become "Fact checking David Paulides." And I'm here for it.

Funny how some one who got into this out of pure curiosity seems to do way more vetting of the facts than an ex cop/detective. I forget if he was detective or just a normal beat cop but either way. You'd think he'd know how important checking up on sources and running everything down either way. So honestly the reason I got into your content so much is because you do some of the most in depth source checking out of pretty much any one else on youtube. Same reason I stopped watching Nerdrotic's woo woo content because they literally do zero fact checking. So good on you brother keep it up, hard work yields the best results.

Took the Feds six years to find Eric rudolf

Thank you for your research. I’m always skeptical when someone repeats a Paulides story. He seems to omit a lot of information in his story telling.

I'm with you on DP & going from impressed to suspect 🤔

We're currently staying in The Cairngorms National Park in Scotland, and I've been really enjoying listening to these videos while getting ready/winding down for the day. Glad I came across the channel! 😄

The idea of the Moonshiners opening fire in the direction of sounds they hear is very funny to me. Unless these guys are shooting their guns 24/7, I doubt they're just shooting at random noises they hear in the woods.

I find the idea of moonshiner's firing at a sound very strange. Know your target and dont waste a shot

Shine can be good or it can be bad, it also depends what you're trying to make. A lot of people are essentially making everclear, which has no character. Homemade doesn't mean bad.

Putting parks under the jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture doesn’t make much sense today. But, back then when there were so few few parks, it probably prevented duplication of early environmental studies, such as hydrology, soil composition and other analyses.

You should name your line of Bunker Branding "Debunker Branding"

Great work, as always, gentlemen!

congrats yall finally got to 500k subs sooo happy for u guys ....keep up the awesome work

Thank you very much for all the hard work you do! Keep goin man.

I personally liked the format. I have only recently discovered your channel and find your story telling extremely fascinating. you do an amazing job breaking down each case and your attention to detail is spot on. FYI going into the "history lessons" is one of the best parts of your story telling.

Very interesting as always gentlemen. Please continue these as the information you share is so important. Was not expecting to hear a possible relative mentioned - maternal great grandmother was named Christie and originally from Appalachian area. Lol. Thanks again.

Love y'all's work! It is exciting to see how the channel has grown over the years.

I love your videos, such good research, and like i love how you embrace nerding out, you have to, and you're so polite and professional like politely asking to skip the history section. I think it's one of the coolest things about your videos. I am from stl, I've actually worked on Grant's farm as in at one time Ulysses s Grant's farm, so many beautiful animals, many just roaming not all caged up. Keep up the great work and research Aidens! Lastly my only take on factor is I've loved what I've tried from there, i just think it's funny the thought of a man lonely eating a microwaved tv dinner for any meal you were living a very sad and lonely life, but now it's considered hip and cool, i love the story arc of microwavable meals lol

Your research and breakdown is awesome. Dig the music too. 👍

Glad to see the history segment return

Good coverage on this story; it's not one that I've heard before. Thank you! I also enjoyed the history section.

Very interesting that this video has some sources listed and not a lot of older videos.

Thank you for the great content!

This video was great, thank you for all of the information!

Aiden, your cold opens always get the exact same reaction out of me, every time I purse my lips, smirk, and pull my chin to the left xD

Love today's format!

What?! David Paulides adding or leaving out information nooooooooooo you must me mistaken 🤣🤣

I stumbled upon The Lore Lodge about a month ago and have been watching all the videos in reverse chronological order. It's funny, because the tone has apparently become more skeptical over the last couple of years. When you binge then from newest to oldest it's like watching Aiden slowly go insane.

I agree with you about Paulides, he doesn't invent evidence but he frequently hyperfocuses on specific points which he is clearly using to misdirect readers. That's as good as lying, in my book. The way he interfered with the DeOrr Kunz case is especially evil.

Great video guys, keep up the hard work!

I have so many issues with the missing 411 mindset . It is absolutely strange that disappearances and deaths in the national parks aren't bigger stories. There are definitely mysterious circumstances. However, DP manipulates evidence, omits pertinent facts, and relies on case retellings rather than primary sources. Even newspapers should be considered faulty sources. Police reports are more reliable. DP''s stories are little better than fantasy and wish fulfillment. Scary stories to tell by a campfire, at best. Leaving out that the missing biy was found is not an oversight or negligence, it is blatant deception to further his agenda.

Keep up the great work ✌🏻... Philly love

Cosby native here! Crazy to see our little town on your page!!

I absolutely love the history segment!

I used to be a Dave fan also. In fact I bought 6 of his books. Then I saw that he included cases that were clearly not of the "missing 411" type and could easily be explained. The last straw was when he constantly says he is being shadow banned and demonitized and when I commented to let him know there were ads in his videos and he might want to check on that, he bans me from his channel. I think the guy is dishonest and has been drinking his own Kool-Aid for too long..

Loving your content brother.

Honestly, I was wondering where the history segments of the videos had gone - I'm very glad they have made a triumphant return!

In regards to the spider bite, he was physically quite protected in the log and the cold would help slow decomposition considerably. It’s not unfeasible even back then that a spider bite would be noted on the body, especially if the examiner is a local who is familiar with the wildlife. They had crude toxicology back then, too. It would make sense since he was barefoot he was simply cold and exhausted and either slept through the calls for him or his calls back were too weak to be heard, especially if there was a strong wind.

the history segment is basically why i watch

I have come to really look forward to new Lore Lodge videos. I'm tired of rewatching all the old one 😂

David P and various other commentators should really look at applying Occam's Razor concept.

Well, he could have gotten stuck in the log and suffocated or a snake could have bitten him. Fallen logs, hollow or otherwise, are places that snakes like to congregate around.

I don’t really watch you anymore but congrats on 500k! Insane.

My great grandpa and some of his friends moonshined a few summers up in the Sioux City area. They decided it was too much work after like the fourth summer and quit.

I love you and these videos! Can’t wait for the merch. Im an amateur research sleuth myself and spend my days researching unsolved murders. It’s my passion :) and these videos are like crack for me ha ha

Finally..was missing the lore from lore lodgr👏👏👏

I love the history segments, it was always my favorite topic in school.

I did, in fact, want to see the history segment

Well, it has been my experience that dogs are afraid of larger predators such as bears. However, again, from personal experience, dogs are terrified of large cats even the smallest of the wild cats in this area (bobcats).

I'm spending the weekend in the Appalachians and this isn't what i wanted to hear

This has to be one of the best lore lodge intros LOL

A guy in Gatlinburg looked just like you this week!!! Oh wow didn’t expect the story to be about Tennessee, I had my message typed before you started.

As a member of a family who were known for the alcohol they produced, I feel that I should mention that there is a difference between moonshine, and corn liquor. Moonshine makes a great fuel for agriculture machinery, corn liquor is slightly sweet, with a pleasant sweet corn flavor. So moonshine is somewhere between 80 to 100 proof, and corn liquor is around 40 or so. Most people who were in the business, either did not drink, or only drank corn liquor. Think of moonshine as a concentrate, meant to be turned into mixed drinks or fake gin, usually sold up north at the time. Locally the trade was controlled by the local sheriff and his brother, the local federal judge, along with their partner, Al Capone. I live in the low country close to Charleston sc. Capone used Charleston as a port to get to Cuba. He was even a silent partner in many local businesses, an example is the largest hotel/cat house in Berkeley county.