Mistakes Were Made, RTX 4070 Ti Super Review Update

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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
03:01 - Fixing my mistake
03:57- 1080p
04:10 - 1440p
04:30 - 1440p Uplift
04:48 - 4K
05:09 - 4K Uplift
05:25 - Ray Tracing
05:35 - Ray Tracing, Uplift
05:50 - Cost MSRP
06:14 - Cost Newegg
06:32 - Final Thoughts
Mistakes Were Made, RTX 4070 Ti Super Review Update
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@WaterShowsProd 5 ай бұрын

A super update to your super review of the less-than-super 4070 Ti Super.

@kpg10 5 ай бұрын

A super 4070 ti super for a super high price.

@nathanaelniklaus2981 5 ай бұрын

@@kpg10seems that many manke a super pass on this super 4070 tie super

@Xilent1 5 ай бұрын

I still going to buy it.

@nathanaelniklaus2981 5 ай бұрын

@@Xilent1 meh. For that cash? 800+200 and you've got a 4080..super. But have fun, they are all good cards.

@Xilent1 5 ай бұрын

@@nathanaelniklaus2981 I agree. Might as well at this price point. I'm coming from a 6700xt. Both would be a significant upgrade, but yeah, might as well just get the 4080 SUPER. The Black Edition looks does look clean

@stuartthurstan 5 ай бұрын

Making mistakes is human. This is exactly the correct way to handle them once you are aware of them. Thanks for your dedication to accuracy.

@Steel0079 5 ай бұрын

Remember the recent Linus fiasco. That was a dumpster fire.

@shanent5793 5 ай бұрын

The mistake was letting Nvidia interfere with his review

@ETophales 5 ай бұрын

Making mistakes is human, apologising for them is AI. :)

@EVPointMaster 5 ай бұрын

@@Steel0079it's been going on for years with LTT. This was just putting it in the spotlight.

@mrnicktoyou 5 ай бұрын

The cheapest 4070Ti Super (in Australia) is $1499. For $70 more you can get a 4080. I think you would be crazy not to get the 4080.

@GewelReal 5 ай бұрын

Makes Nvidia happy

@Souls4Roca 5 ай бұрын

dude.. you can get a 4080 for cheaper...

@grievesy83 5 ай бұрын

Where are you getting a 4080 for $1,569? Cheapest I've found is $110 more than that.

@TehMagilla 5 ай бұрын

@@Souls4Roca The cheapest listed by StaticIce AU is $1650

@alanliang9538 5 ай бұрын

in australia everything is supply and demand, and these shithole sellers don’t even reduce price on 4070 but mark up everything instead😂

@ManuFortis 5 ай бұрын

As soon as you said "KZfaq trim function" I shuddered and tilted my head down. Condolences.

@jamesfox2857 5 ай бұрын

same

@QuentinStephens 5 ай бұрын

Well done! It's how you admit and deal with mistakes that sets you above many other channels.

@haewymetal 5 ай бұрын

They already knew about it in the previous video though but released it anyway because MUH KZfaq MONEY. Thats not integrity.

@vladimirdosen6677 5 ай бұрын

Just because you believe so, it doesn't make it true. It's simply a projection. @@haewymetal

@b-ranthatway8066 5 ай бұрын

@@haewymetal You know, they explained that in the last video, but i don't think it's because muh integrity/ gotta make money. While making making money is objectively a part of it, I think it's the time and effort that was put into making the previous video and not wanting to scrap the entire project. Just to top it all off, there wasn't even that much of a difference, practically negligible. 😅

@Hardwareunboxed 5 ай бұрын

Releasing the review wasn't a mistake, we verified the margins to be insignificant. The specs table was our mistake. Try to be cool @haewymetal.

@oussamachetouane3028 5 ай бұрын

@@haewymetal you are not the one who is doing the benchmarks for 10gpus or more with like +12 games data 2k 4k raytracing etc so of course you wont appreciate the work of steve. muh youtube money bruh u look like an 8 years old

@LlywellynOBrien 5 ай бұрын

Do you know what makes me happy? That Steve has his taskbar left aligned in Windows 11. The only sane option.

@TheXev 5 ай бұрын

Facts. I wish more people would give Microsoft the bird and change it.

@RealMTBAddict 5 ай бұрын

I need this

@haukionkannel 5 ай бұрын

It just proves that he is old, like everyone here and can not learn new ”Wars” anymore! 😂😂😂 I feeling really old and one of the first tweaks for win11 was to put it to the left! 😂

@tsjeriAu 5 ай бұрын

With a widescreen monitor, taskbars are better utilised on the sides. I cannot fathom using it at the bottom (or top).

@manapause 5 ай бұрын

Facts

@Cinetyk 5 ай бұрын

I can only imagine how frustrating it is to work for several days only to, last minute, receiving notification there's a problem with a GPU which may invalidate all the results. Thanks to the extra work and clarification with this update video.

@vextakes 5 ай бұрын

lol rip, nice redoing it tho. I'm glad they sent the TUF model for me

@AxleLotl 5 ай бұрын

Kudos to you Steve and Co. After spending that much time and effort on a review, particularly with so much hardware being released of late, it must be immensely frustrating to have errors pop up in the testing/specs and then to have to make corrections and essentially double handle the review. I, and I'm sure many others are appreciative of the transparency as accuracy of these reviews. Especially since many use them for their purchasing decisions.

@Dark.Syndicate 5 ай бұрын

🙂 I agree.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 5 ай бұрын

What's important isn't the fact that the mistake was made. But that you're ready to make an entirely new video to correct it. Good job guys. Still very disappointed with this 4070 Tie Super. It should've had 320W TDP.

@braien334 5 ай бұрын

Do you mean that adding a note in the description in the video(that is hidden by default) isn't enough?

@RFLCPTR 5 ай бұрын

@@braien334 yes

@Alexandru_T 5 ай бұрын

Actually every single retail card has a 300W TDP. Equal of the RX 7900 XT.

@Akkbar21 5 ай бұрын

Only time mistakes matter a lot is if it’s a regular occurrence or they completely undermine your reputation. This is neither.

@Akkbar21 5 ай бұрын

I def want to get a card with a 300 or less TDP next time I upgrade. My 3080 12gb strix card is great, but the tdp is nuts. 390w out of the box, 450 oc’ed. it kicks out soo much heat it’s shocking tbh.

@calpin_dk 5 ай бұрын

Well done - thanks for your hard work with all these tests and have a great day!

@Petch85 5 ай бұрын

This is why a watch Hardware Unboxed, you own your mistake and make sure that I know it when you make a mistake.

@halrichard1969 5 ай бұрын

I have owned a 7900XT since the first three days of release over a year ago. The adrenaline suite is a dream to work with. I am absolutely content to skip this years offerings from both Ngreedia and AMD. Lets just see what 2025 brings us. Thanks for your efforts Steve. Its not an easy job but someone's got to do it. Better you than me.

@Jrfeimst2 5 ай бұрын

Why would you even upgrade so fast in the first place? Unless you needed something like a 4090 or 7900xtx with more vram for say cgi or something. I don’t think these products are made for someone with a card from this gen. They are made for someone upgrading from say a 20 series in my opinion. I always skip a generation. Just not worth it to upgrade every gen? I’m honestly just asking why you’d think about upgrading this year?

@kaznika6584 5 ай бұрын

@Jrfeimst2 I agree. I bought the 7900XT as an upgrade from the 1070ti. The performance uplift was huge.

@Angel7black 5 ай бұрын

@@Jrfeimst2resale value. Its why i havent soent more than $300 since buying a 2060 years ago

@Dracossaint 5 ай бұрын

@@Angel7blackfair point, good on ya for having the gumption to hustle that.

@defeqel6537 5 ай бұрын

@@Jrfeimst2 I upgrade when I can get about 100% increase for the same price, so my upgrade cycle has stretched

@alive_omi 5 ай бұрын

Very respectable approach of the HUB team, nice to hear and see all the details of this situation put in short and clear report.

@shanent5793 5 ай бұрын

Telling Nvidia to get lost before publishing the video would have been respectable

@vadergrd 5 ай бұрын

hm ... pricing of these card are the only problem

@carlosbelo9304 5 ай бұрын

that's the problem with all cards currently

@djangoff9247 5 ай бұрын

Seems that your to broke 😂😂

@carlosbelo9304 5 ай бұрын

@@djangoff9247 most of the world is

@sheerenergy8602 5 ай бұрын

@@djangoff9247 Seems we don't like to overpaid. And I'm almost sure, that 5090 get 32Gb Vram and 5080 to 5070 get 24gb, 5060 get 16GB and new get much more faster that supers will be pretty obsolesence. Nvidia doesnt respect their customers.

@DeadNoob451 5 ай бұрын

@@djangoff9247 Nah not buying into a scam is a sign of good financial intelligence. So he is probably not even poor.

@Plexer08-. 5 ай бұрын

thanks appreciate the hard work and congrats for the 1M subscribers!

@chrisbeauchamp5563 5 ай бұрын

The accountability of Tim and you is what makes this channel. Keep up the good work. No major drama required, take note massive other tech channel.

@billyam4565 5 ай бұрын

Much respect for your hard work !

@aladdin8623 5 ай бұрын

I think some will sell anyways due to the fanboy hype we are faced with making reasonable prices impossible. To me the price per performance is not making any sense for current gens. Only the 6700 XT is somewhat reasonable. But it also got only 12 GB VRAM. The 7800 XT should cost as much a this gpu. Than we would have a star gpu.

@billyam4565 5 ай бұрын

People need to avoid the current gen if they want to have reasonable prices for the upcoming one.

@pvtcmyers87 5 ай бұрын

Hey steve thank you for all of your work and for being a total class act and very professional about the way you handled this. :)

@tj_2701 5 ай бұрын

For your Tech Specification Sheets could you make the background for the boxes slightly darker or the lines separating them darker, please. Even on a large TV it is hard to make out exactly which cards these boxes/bars are pertaining to. It took a few moments with the video paused to finally figure out you hadn't made a mistake again on Cache size and Memory Speed. Thank you.

@moichamoy2274 5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Steve 👍

@willwunsche6940 5 ай бұрын

16-18 hour work days for a week for two GPU releases? I knew these GPU reviews required a lot of work but I didn't realize it was that much. Really puts it into perspective how much testing and stuff this is

@andersjjensen 5 ай бұрын

Because Windows is a bitch that triggers all sorts of "house-hold" tasks in the background at random times he needs to do a minimum of 3 runs for each game, each GPU and each resolution. If one run differs significantly from the others, he discards the result and does another run. Add to this that he uses fresh date for each review because there has always been updates to Windows, the drivers or the games in the interim. For 15 GPUs, 24 games (14 raster, 10 RT), 2 resolutions and 3 runs, that is 15x24x2x3=2160 benchmark runs assuming no duds. With an average of 30 seconds per run that is 18 hours in benchmark runs alone.

@Hardwareunboxed 5 ай бұрын

That's right, but also testing is just part of it. We spend almost a day working on the b-roll/footage for those videos, then half a day writing the script, and then half a day to a full day editing. A ship load of work goes into this content.

@willwunsche6940 5 ай бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed Massive amount of respect for all your hard work. Thanks for trying to get it right. Hope you guys are getting some well deserved rest

@KimBoKastekniv47 5 ай бұрын

Kudos Steve, very few channels would upload a retest so quickly.

@RAZGR1Z 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for putting this video out so quickly!

@standapp9172 5 ай бұрын

Congrats on the 1m subs guys!

@kaitang3226 5 ай бұрын

Glad the corrections were made.

@megapleb 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the update/correction, and for all your hard work.

@boringtextreviews 5 ай бұрын

I appreciate your quick update here Steve. Thank you for your work.

@jassco2 5 ай бұрын

At lot of outlets didn’t have the reduced cache as Nvidia revised it on release sides. Thanks for being part of that correction. Tom’s hardware messed it up with their review and still have it posted. This is why it’s closer to the 4070ti.

@rofalmatt 5 ай бұрын

well done for fixing up your mistakes

@threadripper979 5 ай бұрын

Don't feel bad about a few typographical errors. You do great work.

@FatetalityXI 5 ай бұрын

This is the reason why your channel and gamers nexus are S tier channels.

@alihell6860 5 ай бұрын

Linus ?

@TheGuyfromValhalla 5 ай бұрын

Lmao nice meme @@alihell6860

@AntonioNoack 5 ай бұрын

@@alihell6860 Linus' channel isn't S-tier. There is always soo much drama :/, especially about accuracy lately.

@detroid89 5 ай бұрын

@@alihell6860 subscriber count =/= quality (i.e. S tier)

@AlexanderMichelson 5 ай бұрын

They are both Tech legends for sure.

@fucktheidcollectors 5 ай бұрын

Get some rest too Steve ❤

@kpg10 5 ай бұрын

Another personal doctor here.

@EhNothing 5 ай бұрын

Huge respect Steve. Thank you for all your work!

@nathangamble125 5 ай бұрын

One of the guys who pointed out some of the errors in the initial table here. Thanks for responding with a proper correction like this. Many other youtube channels would have just ignored it. This sort of thing is why you are my number 1 source for hardware benchmarks, as I know that you want to make the information you provide as accurate as possible, and you put in the effort to do it.

@ScavengerFX 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the update!

@AMGG 5 ай бұрын

Mistakes happen. We are all humans big or small.

@vdosis2023 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the hard work and great info as always

@tomaskianicka3343 5 ай бұрын

Congrats to 1mil subs!

@inkiblackman2625 5 ай бұрын

So still terrible value compared to the base 4070Ti in the Australian market. Seeing 4070Tis go for as low as $1060 when the cheapest 4070Ti Supers are $1400+. Unless you're using this card for 4K (for which it seems somewhat underwhelming), can't see how you can justify the price. For the US market, seems to make a lot more sense.

@zorbakaput8537 5 ай бұрын

Don't know what maths you are using but most of the 4070Ti supers are listed around $850 US some simple maths $850US at 65cAu = $1308 plus GST of 10% takes you to $1438. remember the Yanks don't include their taxes in retail price which is stupid, whereas we do.

@ddp2206 5 ай бұрын

Bro, if it's true, then 💀 Even in Russia prices are better(atleast in my city). Because in my city it goes for like 103,000 to 115,000 rubles, which translates into like uhm 1,100-1,250$. I do mean our salaries must be lower, but still.

@mra.cortez3553 5 ай бұрын

Sales tax in the US average ~7% depending on the state. Some states have zero sales tax.@@zorbakaput8537

@DeepfriedBeans4492 5 ай бұрын

@@zorbakaput8537 There’s a very significant difference between “what the cheapest cards go for” and “what most cards go for”. You’re comparing the lowest end pricing in Australia to “mid tier” card pricing in the us. Also, your conversion rate is a bit higher than what google says, it’s more like 1287 in aud before taxes for an 850$ usd card. The actual math is 800$ for the lowest end 4070tiS in the us, which comes out to ~1211 aud. That becomes ~1332.95 after a 10% tax. Quite a bit less than what you arrived at, as well as the actual pricing you see in Australia.

@VesiustheBoneCruncher 5 ай бұрын

Sales tax confuses the issue massively. The reason the US doesn’t include sales tax is at least partly because it varies from state to state. Europe and the UK run at 20% sales tax, I don’t know about elsewhere, but the odds are it’s different again. Different regions often require to include sales tax in the price, or in other regions *not* include the sales tax in the price. There are price differences even accounting for that. Some of them are even valid. Shipping costs vary depending on distance. Shipping costs vary according to market size - if you ship 100,00 units, it’s cheaper per unit than if you ship 10,000. But the price to us is normally much closer than it first appears globally, minus things like retail scalping, or just straight up scalping.

@MrDazTroyer 5 ай бұрын

Top work 👍

@MrSamadolfo 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for the updates 🙂

@DygDyg1000 5 ай бұрын

Good afternoon, which version of the drivers were tested on? 551.23 came out yesterday. They announced the addition of 4070 ti super support. Has the driver update affected performance in any way?

@elvisgratton6328 5 ай бұрын

TOO LATE IM CALLING GAMER NEXUS

@givemeanaccountdamit 5 ай бұрын

Would still love you guys to call out 4080 Super pricing in Australia given we are paying 20% above the USA

@angrynimbus270 5 ай бұрын

Someone must pay for no inflation in the US Look at prices in Europe, same stuff

@givemeanaccountdamit 5 ай бұрын

@@angrynimbus270 I think it might be literally cheaper to buy from Newegg US and pay for shipping and taxes on arrival then the store around the corner 🤷‍♂️

@angrynimbus270 5 ай бұрын

Good solution if it works for you

@sharkman4698 5 ай бұрын

@@givemeanaccountdamit This used to be viable, but not anymore. Newegg used to offer free international shipping on orders > 350 USD but this no longer appears to be the case, and anything > 1000 AUD gets slapped with a 5% import duty by ABF. Which wasn't so much of an issue in the past when only the top end was > 1000 AUD, but these days even mid range is > 1000 AUD. So between the shipping charge, GST and import duty, you're likely better off just getting it from a local retailer.

@AndyViant 5 ай бұрын

and US$730 for 4070 Super. You can buy 4070 Ti for less than 4070 Super which is crazy

@walter274 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the fix.

@CrazyTechLab 5 ай бұрын

Was in the same boat with my launch review and this card! Weirdly I saw next to no improvement even with the second firmware update which I assume was meant to totally the underperformance so maybe my sample was a good one as you say with decent silicon.

@josephjoestar515 5 ай бұрын

It’s not your fault! Thank you for all the amazing work you do!

@ricardocavazos1316 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your hard work, it is really appreciated

@westyk52sparky 5 ай бұрын

great job. no one puts the work in like you guys

@Kocan7 5 ай бұрын

Great to see, that you did this video.

@fayenotfaye 5 ай бұрын

In Australia, this costs the same as a used 4080 or about $400 more than a 4070 ti. If you think you’ll upgrade sometime in the next 3 years, it’s honestly just better to get a 4070 ti whilst they’re cheap and upgrade to a 6070 with 16 or (hopefully) 24 gigs of vram in the future.

@REgamesplayer 5 ай бұрын

Over time you grew to be my most trusted and go to tech channel out there. Everyone makes mistakes and can provide bad data. What is important is that you are not afraid to admit them and can be bothered to correct them.

@freestalkerdotfr6391 5 ай бұрын

Nice corrections ! :-D You should put [Outdated] at the begining of the titile of the old review

@yulyman 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the awesome update, Steve. You really had it in you to shed the light on the one small thing that now makes huge difference. Cheers mate!!!!

@iamvenk0 5 ай бұрын

I bought the RTX 4070 SUPER VENTUS 3X and i wanted to ask does this model have the same problem that the TI SUPER have?

@paradoxicalcat7173 5 ай бұрын

What problem is that?

@sk8r4lf138 5 ай бұрын

@@paradoxicalcat7173might have been some kind of firmware issue. He mentions there was an update you could download to bring the performance up a bit on the Ventus.

@SaturnusDK 5 ай бұрын

Doesn't really change the fact that a price cut of the 4070 Ti would be better than a new card with slightly better performance at the same massively inflated price.

@MisterFoxton 5 ай бұрын

4070ti prices in Australia dropped $100 along with the Super, so they're still the same price lol, but they did go down.

@Matti6950 5 ай бұрын

@@MisterFoxtonYe i'm searching for a really good 750€ card, so i feel 4070 super slightly lacks (for future proofing and that 670€ is still lot of money), but 4070 ti super at 1000€ is just no go for me, i want lower power consumption, but not at 250€ more then 7900 xt

@edue_mrb 5 ай бұрын

@@Matti6950an undervolted 7900XT should still perform way better than a 4070 Super with decent efficiency. You'll only miss DLSS and RT if you are using higher than 1440p res.

@anitaremenarova6662 5 ай бұрын

@@Matti6950Where are you finding them for that much? That's the Strix pricing, other models start from 880€

@anhiirr 5 ай бұрын

yep got an open box big cooler gigabyte oc for 700$...had store credit to BB too...and the 4070s master at 350w/fully pushed can "achieve 4070ti numbers" yet costs 700$ itself XD....and again uses 350w+ vs a 4070 ti which hovers at 200-275 max. It was pretty clear to me how these things were going to play out once i saw the 4070S benchmarks....and the LULS at the cross comparisons to the 3090....as the 3090 some how only utilized 13gb of vram when in competition with the CARD marketed to replace it for the avg consumer XD at 600$ all the sudden since the 3090 launch "CODE" has grown to utilize hardware in a more efficient manner. XD yeah ok. And agian the 3090 marketed as a 4k/flagship...with "FUTURE PROOFING" is PROVING to utilize 13gb max in benchmarks vs the 4070S...LMFAO. NV out lobbying itself.

@pr0xZen 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this update! - I have a suggestion though. Please consider including at the end of review videos, a _specific mention_ of checking for pinned comment for any "essential amendments or corrections" (or something like that). The data indicates only rougly 1-2% of viewers _engages_ with comments, and the percentage _reading_ them (unprompted) isn't much bigger. Reviews in particular also draws a lot of new and casual viewers, for whom videos like this one that have been uploaded later on, is much less likely to show up on their radar. So adding a 2-3 second sentence about "check pinned comment" could IMO save you many hours of work, and help ensure a much larger portion of viewers become aware and informed when snafoos _do_ happen.

@sumdum7732 5 ай бұрын

I got the MSI Gaming X Trio, does the MSI problem affect this GPU as well?

@kesamek8537 5 ай бұрын

I picked up a Super Tie in navy blue silk with classic paisley pattern for around $200 and I'm happy with it.

@tringuyen7519 5 ай бұрын

$200 for a tie? The silk must have come from free range silk worms!

@haukionkannel 5 ай бұрын

You know gentleman from his suite!

@dreamedfriend 5 ай бұрын

@@tringuyen7519he used a leather tie

@EvilijoUK 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video and being transparent and honest about all these things. It's nice that you do something you love, but still get some rest man, it's not healthy to work 16-18 hours with no days off. Good luck 👍

@formulaic78 5 ай бұрын

He does it next to the barbie in-between flipping shrimp!

@HanSolo__ 5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Steve!

@sirgurky 5 ай бұрын

It's videos like this how open you are is why I always base a purchase from your data and recommendation. And will always recommend the channel to anyone else.

@termitreter6545 5 ай бұрын

The more I read about those new GPUs, the more im happy that I just got myself a 6800 XT. Only concern is maybe that the 7800 XT wouldve allowed AV1 hardware encoding. But the only place that really matters is my VR headset, which does only AVC or HEVC streaming, so 6000 GPUs are pretty good for that. Better than Nvidia in 4K, funnily enough.

@60hurtz 5 ай бұрын

The AV1 hardware encoding on RDNA3 is broken. If the input stream isn't 64x16 aligned, it won't work properly. They even have a hack for 1080p input where they output 1082p padded with two black lines to get an output.

@60hurtz 5 ай бұрын

@@Aluminium-Can I tried responding with links to the various GH issues / wiki's / direct comments by AMD staff, but I think it gets auto-deleted as spam protection? Here's a quote from AMD staff: "It is embarrassing and sorry to report that this AV1 issue is a confirmed HW problem in this VCN generation (VCN4), the problem will be fixed in next VCN generation, and for VCN4, it is required to have the alignment of 64x16 as mentioned in this ticket description. And for the common 1080 height case, to minimize the impact, we adopted an idea to use a HW trick which happens to use the closest height 1082 instead of 1080, which is the reason you see 1082 for the 1080p cases." Search for "amd 64x16" to find information. There's an open issue about it on the GPUOpen GitHub and a description of the migitation in the GPUOpen Wiki, and AMD staff have commented directly on the Mesa issue.

@zhon5311 5 ай бұрын

You would never see LTT update their benchmarks admitting their mistakes. Great job.

@jacobdavidson9752 5 ай бұрын

i remember ltt used to say they test there systems over 200 times to get most accurate results yet there results is the most inaccurate🤣

@AndyViant 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for clearly discussing this. Even though you covered the small difference between the two cards in the previous review some people aren't happy without seeing the methodology and I get that.

@Vincent-bw8vv 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the update and your alltime effort my friend👍

@maozedowner5915 5 ай бұрын

How is the MSI model 3% worse compared to the TUF? What about power draw? The 3% could be silicon to silicon difference. It could also be that TUF model draws significantly more power to gain that 3% which a lot of "OC" models typically do.

@aapje 5 ай бұрын

It's not the silicon, because other reviewers that got the MSI card also had issues.

@maegnificant 5 ай бұрын

Firmware issue, did you even watch the video??

@maozedowner5915 5 ай бұрын

@@maegnificantNo. I'm an inpatient mf with tiktok level of focus span. I also don't intend to buy any of these cards so I just want to immediately know the result without watching the whole video.

@shining_buddha 5 ай бұрын

Still not impress :) 7900XT looks more interesting

@tommyrotton9468 5 ай бұрын

why stop there? when I looked at the selling prices of the cheapest XTXs were in the middle to the top price range of the TI S range (PCPARTPICKER)

@gojump69 5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@PsyLama90 5 ай бұрын

Is the model gaming x Slim also affected like the Ventus?

@davidbooth1634 5 ай бұрын

Wasn't worth the video as the cards arn't selling anyway @Hardware Unboxed :P

@aladdin8623 5 ай бұрын

Why do.my comments get deleted again? KZfaq what are doing? Is this A.I. or something?

@aladdin8623 5 ай бұрын

I agree the prices of current gens don't make any sense. Only the 6700 xt is somewhat reasonable but it running out of stock and has only 12 gb vram.

@Zoomborg 5 ай бұрын

And this is why they released the 7600xt only now since 6700xt is gonna soon disappear. Lol, worse GPU for higher price.@@aladdin8623

@spicynoodles307 5 ай бұрын

i guess the rumors of the 4070 ti super being performance capped by nvidia wasn't false after all.

@Yeetking-qb3fz 5 ай бұрын

thank you for re reviewing that quick i thought it would take a week or something but what is your opinions of the rtx 4080 super do you think its going to be worth it? and better then the rx 7900 xtx in rasterized gaming?

@marek7775 5 ай бұрын

No 7900xtx is new King

@youquagmire 5 ай бұрын

Appreciate the work you put into making the corrections. That's why you guys still have my views and support.

@danielcobia7818 5 ай бұрын

Hope you're able to get some rest Steve! Appreciate your work.

@951001ify 5 ай бұрын

People happily buying 16gb for $850, crazy times. Nvidia taught lessons well, dont forget to buy 5070Ti for $1000 next year :)

@haukionkannel 5 ай бұрын

People are happy to do it! 😂

@anhiirr 5 ай бұрын

lmao GO look at 4070s vs 3090 benchmarks and go and "SEE" if the 3090 is pulling more than 16gb off these API/engines. Or wonder/ask yourself if all it takes is some NV/$$$/LOBBYING to cripple these AAA engines or offer hard/caps LMFAO IJS. BC all the sudden the "FUTURE PROOFED" 24gb card only winds up pulling at most 13gb XD

@vretrtb6z-n3 5 ай бұрын

With such a performance gain, this video card is simply pointless😥

@paradoxicalcat7173 5 ай бұрын

If you go 4070 Ti to Ti Super, yes, it's pointless. Going from a 1080? It should be awesome.

@Oliver-sn4be 5 ай бұрын

@@paradoxicalcat7173 not really since 5000 is near now so why get old gen ?

@okguzelce 2 ай бұрын

@@Oliver-sn4be 50 series isn't out yet, if you want something NOW, it's a good value. also we don't know yet what their price/performance will be.

@babybackbish 5 ай бұрын

Thanks Steve!

@Azurantine81 5 ай бұрын

You made a mistake, admitted to and then corrected it - unlike other channels who shall not be named, you did the correct thing and admitted you were human.

@davidlazarus67 5 ай бұрын

It’s why I remain subscribed.

@richard--s 5 ай бұрын

But don't the "underwhelming results" come from the current MSI 4070ti-s problem? Aren't the other 4070ti-s faster like they are expected to be?

@eligaller9190 5 ай бұрын

@@davidlazarus67 This is why i subscribed now.

@misterpinkandyellow74 5 ай бұрын

i will name one channel, that is Moores law is dead.

@Valkian24 5 ай бұрын

Appreciate the update, Steve. Anyway, while this card is underwhelming when compared to many others on the market, I still feel it'll be a worthwhile upgrade for someone like me who has been using he 1080ti for many years and got a lot of mileage out of it. Sure, I could get the 4080 instead for slightly more (in the Australian market), I'm not sure if it'll be okay for me to get since I replaced my old PSU with another 750w one and I'm not sure if I wanna replace that one so soon (especially since it was a non-modular one, which I'll explain in a moment). (I replaced my PSU out of panic when my computer wasn't working, only to realise that it wasn't the PSU, it was the motherboard that died. In hindsight, I should have gotten a modular 850w PSU but as they all say, mistakes can happen).

@Ericozzz 5 ай бұрын

don't do it bro. Wait for next series. These are overpriced and underwhelming just like the 2000 series were

@Valkian24 5 ай бұрын

@@Ericozzz That's the problem. I can't wait any longer as some of the games I've played (like Apex Legends and The Finals) keep blacking out on my screen and I feel it'll continue if I play anything else that is just as demanding. (And it can't be a CPU related issue since I had it replaced with a new one along with the new motherboard.)

@the5gen 5 ай бұрын

I'd wait for the 5xxx series.

@FreshMedlar 5 ай бұрын

amd is better

@xSwxve 5 ай бұрын

1080Ti is the card that refuses to become e-waste. It’s phenomenal for its age. Arguably one of Nvidias most expensive mistakes.

@ipotato95 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for doing an update to make sure you provide accurate information, that’s what makes us trust you

@infinity2z3r07 5 ай бұрын

wow this 2% changes everything. i will now confidently rush out to buy to a 4070 ti super.

@indothai21 5 ай бұрын

Subscribed and liked. Only real IT experts know that humans make errors. Honesty is key. True die-hard tech seeking enthusiast will surely follow suit.

@geogenocide 5 ай бұрын

I'm currently building my PC. I'm going to be be partial to msi when I buy my gpu (thinking to get a 4080S when it launches) since my mobo and cpu cooler are high quality by them also. I also used an msi 1660ti for the past 5 years and never had an issue. Does this mean that the msi gpus are different and would underperformance from them be a reason to get a different brand? Also, is there any benefit for building with PC components of similar brands and dates of manufacturing?

@rustler08 5 ай бұрын

Why would you get that when you can spend less and buy a 7900XTX that dominates it? I have a 4080 and there's no way I'd recommend someone spending similar money to get far less performance

@Nothern_King 5 ай бұрын

Good explanation and recovery, thank you. Mistakes happen to everyone man.

@TheGamesWin 5 ай бұрын

It's mad they stuck with 48MB L2 on the 4070 Ti Super, should've seen something of an uplift to actually get the expected uplift toward the 4080.

@sk8r4lf138 5 ай бұрын

Why would they want to cannibalize sales on the 4080/4080S that much more?

@Steven-ex3ne 5 ай бұрын

Firm handshakes.

@jonosvlog9913 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for being honest and open about it.

@RussLudwig 5 ай бұрын

Thank you Steve 👍

@ehenningsen 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for the corrections. Everyone makes mistakes, you take the step to reveal them amd fix them. Integrity

@elu5ive 5 ай бұрын

7800XT and 7900XT still have amazing bang for the buck

@audiophizile13 5 ай бұрын

I would pay the small premium for Nvidia cards. 4070S is faster than the 7800xt in every way, uses less power, has reflex, etc. 4070tiS is not as great of a value but neither is the 7900xt, especially with how insanely power hungry it is. If the 4070tiS were 779 compared to the 7900XT $740 it would be better. Still no way I'd ever buy a 7900xt. The 4080S or 4070S are the cards I would spend my money on.

@Frashsibit 5 ай бұрын

@@audiophizile13 Yes the 4070 super is "faster" than the 7800XT, but it's $100 more and gives smilar performance most of the time, it also only has 12GBs of vram which is already a limitation in many games and will be a huge limitation within just a few years, the power consumption difference is meaningless, 20w is just far too small to matter, AMD also has good auto undervolt features that allow you to easily bring the 7800XTs power consumption to lower than the 4070 super's while maintaing pretty much all of it's performance, AMD also has Anti-Lag which is pretty much the same thing is as reflex so it's irrelivent. You call the the 7900XT "insanely power hungry" when it draws within 30w of the 4070ti super while beating it by quite a lot. Also saying " f the 4070tiS were 779 compared to the 7900XT $740 it would be better. Still no way I'd ever buy a 7900xt" Is meaningless because the reason you would not buy the 7900XT there is because you are (very clearly) and Nvidia fanboy and you already new which one you were buying.

@elgamerbot99 5 күн бұрын

Only in DLLS and RT, the 7800xt has more VRAM and more brutal potence@@audiophizile13

@elgamerbot99 5 күн бұрын

@@audiophizile13If you want to play and you don't care about RT go with AMD, and if you care about RT and want a better upscaller buy Nvidia

@alvindanica 4 ай бұрын

What i really like about hardware unbox review is that they always show the previous last 2 generation card for nvidia and amd. You can see how is your current card perform vs the latest card. This could be buying decision if your card still ok or not with current games out there. As always good job

@narvelsky 5 ай бұрын

Here in Poland, 4070 Ti Super is priced as same as 7900 XTX (1250$), Asus ROG Strix OC 4080 costs 1750$ ! I couldn't be happier with something else than my Sapphire 7900 XTX Nitro+ Vapor-X, it beats those Ngreedia cards out, I suppose with that 4080 Super(priced) GPU there will be neglible difference, I'm looking forward to your review of it!

@davidthane9002 5 ай бұрын

I was surprised how far your numbers differed from GN and Jay but didn't mind because different models jada jada. Seeing an unrelated video about the MSI Ventus lacking in power and having multiple updates made me think 'hu, maybe HU had one of those' Still doesn't change that fact that European prices and supply are meh and don't encourage me buying one...shame really as I need to upgrade and wanted a 16GB version 4070Ti because of power use. But 900 to >1000€ just isn't sensible...

@Hardwareunboxed 5 ай бұрын

The numbers really shouldn't have differed by that much given we were around 3% off the mark. 10% you'd notice, but 3%?

@davidthane9002 5 ай бұрын

Totally correct, but the few % points more closes the gap to other reviews a little, testing methodologies etc. Just wanted to reiterate that I agree with your conclusion that even the 'mistake' doesn't change the (un)appeal of the card. :)

@tobygroves2112 5 ай бұрын

TL;DR - It's still shit

@paradoxicalcat7173 5 ай бұрын

Compared to what? I'm thinking of getting one to replace my 1080. 16 Gb VRAM is double what I have now. Be smart with graphics settings, and performance will follow. I game at 4K with my 1080, so current gen should be no sweat.

@tobygroves2112 5 ай бұрын

@@paradoxicalcat7173Compared to the outgoing 4070Ti - only 4% faster at best. 4070 SUPER is far better bang-for-buck and sounds like it would be more than enough for your needs.

@geirolafsson9487 5 ай бұрын

Anyone buying these "super" cards at those prices is just crazy to me. At this point just wait a little bit for the 5000 series, these 4000 super series are minor updates on expensive, old gpu's.

@haukionkannel 5 ай бұрын

When 5000 series comes to market with 20% more speed and 25% higher price. These 4000 series will get 10% price cut to sweeten the deal! 😂😂😂

@Carstuff111 5 ай бұрын

I do not envy you folks that work in this field. As much fun as it would be getting to play with everything from the lower end of the hardware spectrum to the bleeding edge would be, compiling all the data and doing all the testing you folks do is BONKERS. I have heard it said and said it myself, that many KZfaqrs do not deserve to be paid for the "work" they do to post their videos. However, you folks that bust your butts to get us the most accurate data possible, I salute you all. And I know many of you enjoy what you do, and that is a great thing.