So do we have to go through the level checking process? Or just how much fluid do we need to add to the transmission?

@@nicolasjchaanine you MUST do the final check. Get it close as you can, then drive it at least 30 minutes to get the fluid to temp. Then park it on level ground and with the engine running in park, do your final fluid check/adjustment. To low and the transmission will starve, to high and the transmission will get air bubbles in it causing issues.

I get a d error code. From what I can find that is a transmission filter error code. There is some mansion in the comments of another screen inside the pan. Do you have another video showing to replace or clean that screen in the pan?

Man, that is hard to hear. I work in the industry and came across companies like that. Sucks.

Hey bro, checking how many liters do you usually fill up if both 2 filters (metal strainer and paper filter) were replaced?

Hey buddy do you have a part number for the filter

I just got off the phone with a parts guy at a local dealer, and he discouraged me from buying or changing the filters.

​@@Juxtaminute Did he say why?

No problem! Did you make sure to double check the level one last time with the car fully warmed up and in park while running? If not, it's a good idea to do so. Just to be sure.

Wow, thanks! It is comments like this that make me want to do more-

@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs I plan on purchasing a used Mirage @ 20k miles. Should I have the dealership do this service or hold off on it? Car was considered a "fleet" vehicle, so I think it maybe a good idea or can I wait till 30k miles? I plan on keeping the car till right around 80-100k miles, but do want to not worry about any issues during my ownership. Thanks.

Glad it helped, these days saving ever dollar helps

Glad it was helpful!

Glad it helped! The manual trans are going away after 2023- such a shame

Agreed. That's why I bought it! After nearly 30 years as a mechanic, I took one look at this cars design and knew it would be reliable and easy to maintain. A+

Great to hear! May your Mirage last you generations!

Wow! That is great to hear. I hope to get 300k out of mine as well.

​​@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairskay I have a crazy question ❓ mechanic wants to charge me $240.... I don't have that. I also don't have the tools or know anybody that could help. I know that my vehicle needs transmission fluid.... Can I carefully add fluid down the transmission fluid dipstick thingy ❓ yeah I know it's a crazy thought... I'm on a limited income... And I'm not mobile enough to get underneath the vehicle and back up😂... Would doing that screw everything up.... Or buy me a couple weeks to raise the funds ❓ it's a 2019 Mitsubishi mirage... I bought it used, and I know I've put 35000 miles on it.

@@juliec9 find a frend who can and giv him maybe 100$ just for d labor.. 🤔

Agreed. They made this car for people that like to work on cars.

I used to take more off when doing repairs, but the mechanic in me likes to do things faster.

Thanks for the kind words, as well as the words of truth!

Apakah CVT Mirage sama dengan CVT Nissa jatco

@@anakmbarep92 you sound like Jar Jar Binks and yes, we're well aware both Mitsubishi and Nissan uses their own spec versions of the CVT7 with some small differences like programming and the Mitsu version having a dipstick.

Nissan altima is way too heavy for this transmission. No wonder they're blowing out at 50k.

@philhubb5885 IIRC the Altima has the CVT8, slightly bigger than the Mirage's CVT7. I had a 99' Altima for a few years. It's reliability was OK, no engine problems or issues with its 4speed auto trans, but it had annoying electrical issues after 100k miles.

You got this! If yours is slipping, you may want to consider dropping that bottom pan to clean out the bottom filter as well.

I've been toying with a new intro for the past 2 years now. This one isn't final, but I am glad you liked it!

What's interesting is that this CVT is also used in the Nissan Versa and in that car there's no dipstick!

Yes. That job will get done at 40K. every 20 a fill and filter and every 40 a pan drop too!

Red makes any car faster! I agree the simple design reminds me of older basic rides from the 90's. Love it!

I really wanted to take my time on making it, people should know that they can do these kinds of service without having to go to a dealer.

That’s why it’s important to do drain and refills every 20-30k, especially if you are doing a lot of city driving.

Thanks for the info! City driving can put a ton of wear on a car-

Sorry I’m commenting as I watch lol. The part number for the washer is MD050317 I believe, and we also replace the internal filter. That I don’t know the part number for. But great video bud

Thanks!

For the Mitshubishi Tech: I plan on purchasing a used Mirage @ 20k miles. Should I have the dealership do this service or hold off on it? Car was considered a "fleet" vehicle, so I think it maybe a good idea or can I wait till 30k miles? I plan on keeping the car till right around 80-100k miles, but do want to not worry about any issues during my ownership. Thanks!

@@dbzownz12345 having a good reputable shop (regardless of specialty) is never a bad idea. Fleet vehicles are generally well kept, just keep this in mind, tires every 40-60k brakes 45-50k, cvt every 30k (this is from my own notes so it may vary a bit) coolant flush & brake fluid flush around each 60k spark plugs and fuel treatment every 100k (unless you do the FT with every trans serv) but in all honesty, do a bit of research on the shop you plan to go to, read reviews. A good shop will see you as more than a stack of cash

@@dbzownz12345 I forgot to add. When going to a dealership ask for a MPI (multi point inspection) most dealers will do them for very little to no cost.

You totally got this! DIY and keep the other $350 for food!

Glad to hear you are keeping up with the CVT! These are great cars for sure.

Thanks for sharing, Never heard of that trick.

Glad to help, these cars get such a bad wrap- they are the perfect car

Glad it was helpful! Comments like this is why I keep making videos

just be carefull your unit might have another filter in the pan so you have to replace it too.

100%😊

Good tip! Thanks!!

Makes me wonder what the unit that died at 100K was used for.

The CVT started acting up on my 2014 Mirage around 40k miles. I did have the fluid changed at 30k at the dealership. The car was lurching/lugging really badly at low RPMs. I've seen this issue with other Mirages as well. There's actually a vid somewhere on youtube of someone doing a hard acceleration run in their Mirage and it was acting the same way.

My aunt’s 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage has 184k miles on it and she’s changed the oil every 5k mi and the cvt fluid every 20k mi since she bought it new. She got herself a brand new 2022 Mirage G4 for herself and gave her old mirage as my cousins first car. That thing has never failed her once. Not one break down except for one time she ran out of gas. Oh and one time her tire blew. But overall a great car.

@@rocketshiftgaming5693 Awesome. I like my wife's G4 better than my hatchback Mirage lol.

Mitsubishi made some changes to the CVT around 2017 It’s the older ones that seem to have the problem. I change my CVT fluid every 30K with Amsoil CVT fluid It cost a little more but is the best CVT fluid on the market Lubricates better and has a much higher life span It also has a much higher flash point The inline filter is important to change also The one in the pan is not that important if you are doing regular fluid changes. I’m happy with my 2018 outlander sport Se I have not had one problem Not even a light bulb.

I had just read in a Mirage forum that the States got cruse control, and Canada got day-time running lights.

I am always amazed at what other countries get for options that we don't. In American the car manufactures are pushing bloated SUV's and large trucks, when most people really don't need ones that big. I wish that we could get the smaller versions like all the other countries.

Us gets the cvt because it gives better fuel economy numbers. That’s why.

@jo I don't disagree with your logic, but at the same time, I'm interested in what your response is to Canadian models getting both daytime running lights and fog lights as standard equipment on all models but can only get the accident mitigation camera system on the top trim. It's a good little car, and my daughter loves it, but when the ES model comes with no electric doorlocks and only the front doors have electric windows, with the back being manual, hand crank down windows, it screams "small town cheap to me," and besides that, I would think that it would be considered a safety issue for the driver not being able to control the back windows in an emergency situation. Cruse control and heated seats aren't even an option in the ES model here. Cruse is available here with the SE model, but for the heated seats, you can only get that in the top trim. I wonder if the Canadian model comes pre-wired for heated seats and Cruse control? One popular add-on that Canadian ES owners get is the armrest from Amazon because the armrest is not even an option here, nor is the console in the base trim, which doesn't even give you a place to put the switches for the heated seats if the seats were wired for heat to start with. I'm just happy to say that I live a 40-minute drive to the border to the States and just another 25-minute drive after that to get to a Mitsubishi dealership where Mitsubishi original add-ons like mudflaps, are available at a reasonable price compared to the house payment that it would cost me for the same thing from our dealership. I really like the car to start with, even with its short commings in Canada. My husband ordered an ES for me with a CVT transmission that will be arriving in a week or 2, which I'm looking forward to.

The idea behind the drain and fill/ pan drop/ drain and fill every 20K/40K is that your fluid never gets nasty in the first place. It's only a 7.5 quart system and every 20K it gets almost 3. Every 40K it gets just under 5.

Thanks sir!

I have a 2017 mirage se model and it has been the best car I have ever owned.

@@travisk1556 👍👍👍

You are welcome

Agreed. People here have forgotten what everyone in the 80's remembers. Good cheap efficient cars are great!

Good luck! Make sure that the very final fluid check is done when the fluid is fully warmed up, and the car is running in park. Mine ended up needing an additional 1/3rd quarter after all the other checks. Love your channel and still visit your geo metro forum from time to time.

Thanks and welcome!

Good point!

Thanks for sharing that

Is this a step that needs to be done?

@@jfu6113 It’s the best way to ensure the proper fluid level.

No doubt. If it was maintained and still failed, you have a cause to complain. Please if you plan on keeping it, do the service at home!

My wife and I daily a 17 Spark w/CVT. Love the darn thing, but finding info to drain/refill is very difficult. I'm trying to gather info to do it myself, so doing my homework now.

Lucky you, it might just be a matter of time

Great to know! I would still recommend that you do the O-ring though.

This does come with a small cooler if I remember correctly, but the weight of the Mirage is 1000 pounds less than the other models that are using it and having issues. I think it's that more than anything that is killing them in Nissans.

yeah I wouldn't buy an NV200 to run a plumbing business.@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs

The Mirage already has a transmission cooler. And it is light and can't tow more than 250 kg. So Mitsubishi is on the safe side here. The CVT won't break on this car.

I'm not sure what else I can say. The final check should be done with the fluid at 180 degrees and the car running and in park on a flat surface.

Good to know!

That is the plan at 40K.

Great to hear!

Saw some tiny bubbles on the stick so I pulled out a bit. Now in the middle of H after removing 1/4 of a qt. Thanks for the video.

Thanks 👍

They do indeed! Thanks for the tips!

They certainly do indeed change a lot. Thanks for the tips!

You're very welcome!

keep your receipts for the CVT fluid and filter and document the job when it's done (miles and date). Mirage valve adjustment is a thing, but it's supposed to be checked every 30K. It turns out to adjust them is a VERY hard job. It has manual shim type adjustments and the shims are built into the buckets. That means removing the camshaft to make adjustments. I was shocked to find this out.

Thanks for the tip

my wife and I both enjoy ours- hers is a 5 speed and it is great

That is the mechanic in me- 30+ years of working on cars, I have learned some things. Patience is one of them

@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs Fortunately I figured it out. LoL

Glad I could help!

You would be correct. Flat rate kills quality. 95% of mechanics are stuck in flat rate and as a result, they are compelled to cut every corner.

Good luck!

That is incorrect. The screen (Filter) is located just inside the transmission pan. No special tools needed.

Thank you sir!

Agreed. I do a drain and fill every 20,000 and a pan drop every 40,000.

Glad to hear it

Mine wasn't magnetic.

They certainly put it in a tough spot! It also seems to get tighter with time.

This service is not too hard to do, just take your time

That is my thought as well. Do the cartridge and fluid every 20 and the cartridge, screen and fluid every 40. Time will tell.

I totally get sticking to the manufacturer specs. I choose not to, and here is why. Back when I was a full time tech, I watched a lot of well kept Volvos get sludged up because Volvo changed the interval to 7.5K on oil. It was too long. They did it because it made the cost of ownership stats go down making it look more attractive to buyers in consumer reports. That killed a lot of cars, and all of them were over the 30K warranty when they failed.

Mitsubishi recommends on the normal service schedule for the Mirage, you never have to change your CVT fluid, just check it. On the severe service schedule which would be most of us, it's recommend to change every 30k miles however doesn't say anything about the cartridge (case) filter or pickup filter (sump filter). At least not in my version of the manual. I would recommend changing it every 20k miles and here's why. Those tiny metal shavings that appear as a gray paste inside the CVT fluid pan and on the magnets and in other parts of the CVT, that metallic paste will build up in the valves and cause harsh shifting when you shift into reverse. Then you'll notice once you start doing ~3 quart flushes from the drain plug or if you pull off the pan and do the 5 quart flush in order to clean the magnets, once you put in fresh J4 fluid it'll start to clean out the valves and galleys and when you check your fluid you'll have metallic paste settling at the bottom of any sample you take and at the top you'll have clean fluid. This is why I'd suggest doing the case filter swap as you saw here in the video every 20k and if possible pull the pan down and clean the two round magnets inside the pan. It's not really necessary to change the pickup filter although you could, it's a waste of $40. That pickup filter is good for I'd say at least 75k miles or more.

Good to know. Thanks!

It's not a filter, it's a screen. If that get's trash in it, your CVT is toast! the screen cleaning is done every 40K to 60K, the drain and fill with side filter is ever 20K to 30K.

I am slowly recovering from some... "Internal" issues. I am setup to have some of my own "Parts" removed here shorty, and I have no doubt that after I am done, I'll be nearly back to my old self, except the 50lbs I've lost. I don't miss those 50lbs!

Yes, after the car is driven up to temp, the final fluid check should be done with the car running on flat ground. Make sure the temp is at 180f.

Thank you! This is an important distinction. My level went from nearly the top of hot to the bottom or cold with 2.3

Did you see the article that ranked the 2024 Mirage as the best car to buy?Here's a snip it:The 2024 Mitsubishi Mirage has a predicted reliability score of 80 out of 100. A J.D. Power predicted reliability score of 91-100 is considered the Best, 81-90 is Great, 70-80 is Average and 0-69 is Fair and considered below average.

Good tip, thanks

I totally get it. My knees and back are so blown out that without this lift, I can no longer work. That said, this job can be done by a younger person on the ground with a jack and jack stand.

Yes, drive it for at least 20 minutes to warm it up, check it while running on flat ground and while in park. If it's low, top it off till its close, but not over filled and drive it again to verify.

Yes! I would totally track the work you've done to the car incase there is even an issue and maintenance comes into question. That is what I do here. That said, these are VERY reliable cars and your new one should last you a very long time with just the basics.

Thank You!​@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs

For me, it's getting my giant hand up in there to the filter.

That sounds like a heat shield that is loose. Lay flat next to the car when it's off and see if there is a thin piece of metal touching the exhaust. They can be safely removed.

I would personally go for the 15 Mirage with the 109K on it. These cars last a long time, and 200K will be no issue if you start taking care of it now.

The filter in the pan is just a fine mesh screen. I will go 40 to 60K and will likely look as good as new when you drop the pan. It is there to catch big stuff. In a CVT if "big stuff" is caught by that filter, you've got big issues!

The universal logic behind those suction side screen mesh filters in the pan is that if there is enough metal builds up enough to clog up that filter, then it is time for overhaul anyways. There are magnets in the pan to catch fine magnetic metals.This filter in the video is also known as 'control circuit filter', protects the fluid that is going into the fine hydraulic control circuits inside, but in time it ends up filtering the whole fluid eventually... You can put a magnetic drain plug just to get a heads up to incoming failure. Because you don't know what sticks to those magnets inside the pan. If you see little chunks on that magnetic drain plug, then you know the failure is on its way.

Yes, the final check should be done with the engine running, at full operating temperature and the car in park. Sorry for the confusion.

Your car will be much easier. Simple drain and fill on the manual transmission, and it's only due every 60K.

Glad you liked it! I hope it helped you

Yes, the job here is identical. Please remember to check the fluid level one last time with the car fully warmed up on level ground and the engine running to ensure the proper level.

Do it! They recommend every 40K I say every 20K.

If that means I can take 1/2 your stuff, I'm in!

I just look on Amazon- it is $85 for their brand- Nissan is also the same fluid- maybe you can shop around

Bet the transmission? It likely is, but I can't confirm and as such, I won't use it.

No, you are correct. The last check of the fluid should be done with the engine running and the car at operating temp. Sorry for the confusion!

I would drop the pan, replace both filters, drive it about 5,000 miles, then drain and fill. That should get you all set

@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs Thanks

I would if I had one to change it on.

Glad to help!

That is total capacity. You'll never get that much out unless you are rebuilding it. Most is stuck in the inner matrix.

@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs Then I don’t understand the philosophy by changing the fluid. Half of the total amount of fluid is still old and will be mixed with the new fluid, which means that now all of it is semi old!

Did you use a screwdriver to pry the pan off? if so, you bent it. It's a common mistake. Take it back off and see where the damage is. If you are lucky, you can beat the dents out, if not, you'll need a new pan.

Yes it will! They are the same filter all the way up to 2024. Don't forget a o-ring.

@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs yea indeed. It comes with the O ring as. Thank you so much👍

All shops in our state are now charging about that price. Welcome to the collapse!

You may be dealing with a motor mount issue. Have someone look at the engine while you put the car in reverse. If the motor rocks forward or back, it's a failed motor mount.

The 4 quarts is if you replace the bottom pan and screen as well.

The final check should be done with the engine running, transmission at 180F and in park. Top off as needed.

That would be kinda hard to do since it is installed

It couldn't hurt. In your case, I would also drop the bottom pan and replace the screen down there. Very easy to do.

At the second interval, yes. Every 20k a drain and fill. Every 40k a pan drop.

@@FarpointRestorationsAndRepairs thx

It really depends so get at least 5 quarts for the job.