"hobie you're not helping..." "good."😭

This is genius foreshadowing, the fact it was deleted means it wasn't really intended to be reference for the upcoming movie, which makes it like predicting the future

I absolutely love how when Miles says, "Spiderman always-" he points to Peter B. He was his mentor and was THE Spiderman to Miles, which makes Peter B. shooting down what Miles was going to say and helping in the betrayal even more heartbreaking.

That hug with miles and his dad is kinda similar to how gwen went in for the hug with miles.

How ironic and sad at the same time that the only person on miles side was a person he just met, Hobie, and not his friends.

Despite wishing that they kept it in, I think Peter's little talk with Miles during the chase scene makes up for it, with him telling that good things happen too, since Miles is the reason he even had a daughter. You can tell deep down that Miguel's philosophy isn't what he stands for. He even sounds like tearing up when he says, "Not always."

W edit, also I 100% agree the line should've been kept in in some way. would've contrasted to what miguel was pretty much saying in the second movie

1:52 Hobie hinting to use the whole palm instead of just the fingers is very subtle but Miles immediately got him 👐

Honestly i think this should have been kept in the movie.

Hobie just standing there sutbly encouraging Miles, lol. Dude's been waiting for this for who knows how long, and now that it's happening hes like "there's only one way for this to end, let's hurry it along so I can gtf out of here"

I live for Hobie's smile when Miles breaks out and then he just quits the team 😂 and when he calls Mayday a anarchist and congratulates her pooping in the building 💀

They should have kept it in. It would’ve made “not always” a much bigger betrayal because Miles would realize that Peter wasn’t thinking about “one person” anymore.

I still like hobie's "good" like he wants miles to put in danger everything including himself

1:52 i hadn’t even realized until now that Hobie was trying to help Miles out, hinting to use his whole palms and then passing it off to the others as being a placating gesture. That’s clever and a cool little detail!!

2:08 this will never not be funny. The fact that he's animated primarily on 2s means that he instantly turns around in one frame and runs away after standing in that pose

This honestly makes this ATSV scene hit much harder cuz it really feels more like a betrayal, since Peter B Parker is now going against the lesson he told Miles in favor of "some algorithm"

I love how during the “intervention” Hobie is deliberately trying to rile him up, then when Miles is boxed you see Hobie reminding him of the palms followed by the smirk when Miles breaks out. It’s all happening so fast despite seeing it I didn’t realize it the first watch.

the line "I'm not like you guys" from Miles really sticks out to me because he's totally right. Miles wasn't supposed to be Spider-Man, and like Miguel says he's the original anomaly. but even that doesn't change the fact that he's still literally Spider-Man, with all the same type of great powers, responsibility, and vulnerability to losing a loved one. even though he wasn't supposed to be bitten, Miles still went through the whole Uncle Ben song and dance, even if it was a bit twisted. he now has a super villain created by Miles himself through the events of the first movie, making Spot his sole responsibility. Miguel tries to argue that Miles was a mistake, that the powers and the mask given to him were an accident. and even if he's technically right, Miles still got the Spider-Man origin story treatment everyone else got. Miles wasn't supposed to be Spider-Man but he's earned the title and mask.

I love how Hobie calls Miles "little man" and showing respect for someone like him

My favorite unused lines in into the spider-verse was "Prowler, quick, crease his J's." 😭😭😭 Hits hard man.

Him saving his dad was a parallel to when peter, the original peter saved miles at the collider in the beginning of the first movie. Never caught that.

I love this quote because it’s also applicable to the audience. Themes of “anyone can be Spider-Man” = anyone can do good is huge in the SM canon. But irl we don’t have SM powers, but we can do good, we can save/help at least one person. People that we love.

I just realized the scene at 0:50, the hug is almost the exact same as the hug Gwen gave her dad in Into the Spider-verse

This would've been so much better in the movie, someone should try fully animating it

Interesting how that one deleted scene is the entire set up for the next two films. Glad they left it out to be fair, it hits deeper as part of its own narrative.

man, i just love Hobie's smirk after miles breaks out of the barrier.

1:25 If we considered the deleted scene as SOMEHOW canon, that would explain why Miles had a betrayed look when Peter B. himself said "not always"

"You don't have to save the entire world, you just have to save one person" dang I get it now

I hope they bring this back for the next one

hobie is like the best big brother and supports miles throughout all of this. he already stole everything he needed to create a bootleg watch to help miles save everyone.

I feel like Hobie planned this kind of from the beginning… like all the way from the beginning. As soon as he encountered Miguel, and invited to join the spidermen from across the multiverse, as someone who had been fighting authoritarians his whole life, he immediately recognised the risk for such. Then he meets Gwen and becomes close friends… she probably told him everything, about Miles, about what happened between them, and why she couldn’t go see him. It would not surprise me if Hobie encouraged her to see Miles when she went to his universe. Having stolen his trainers, it seems likely she was with Hobie when she got the mission in the first place. Knowing Gwen and from what he had heard about Miles, there would be a decent chance Miles would get himself wrapped up in everything and then he just has to pour a bit of gasoline on the fire for a full on revolt. He might have even been a bit disappointed that Gwen didn’t immediately support Miles, but he knew she would in the end because otherwise he wouldn’t have left the dimensional bracelet with her father. I know there is a lot of conjecture, but you are looking at not just a Spider-Man, but at a full blown revolutionary who successfully overthrew an authoritarian world government. You don’t do that with spider powers, you do that with charisma and tactical acumen. He was multiple steps ahead of everyone involved the entire time.

It’s all connected now…this quote hit harder than a brick..

I like how at 1:52 Hobie puts both his hands in the force field to remind Miles how to better destroy it

Hobie is that older brother we all wish we had to encourage us.

In the betrayal scene it just reminds of when Peter goes against Dr Strange and when Black Panther has a go at the other kings for turning their backs. The example is also shown in Homecoming when Peter saves Adrian from being burnt and of course this is what this film is all about. Trying. Miles and MCU Peter are both right, they both try to go so far just to save a few villains from their deaths and to save a love one.

"If you help someone, you help everyone." - May Parker.

"hobie you arent helping" "good"

1:31 , the way he muttered " what " hurt, shocked and honestly in disbelief way.

Not to mention when he says “Don’t do it like me. Do it like you.” Ultimately leading to him going against every other Spider-man.

I know we're supposed to be focusing on the deleted scene, but I can't help but notice that Hobie was putting his hands up like "Use your electricity," and smiling when it worked when I originally thought he was putting his hands up like "It'll be okay, don't worry". This is why Hobie's one of my favourite characters in the movie.

Seeing this scene, it makes Peter B not immediately taking Miles’s side actually make so much more sense imo. Peter didn’t just witness an entire universe die. He saw FIRSTHAND his own philosophy, the Spider-Man philosophy, literally implode in Miguel’s face. Miguel thought about saving his daughter after his alternate universe self died. He didn’t want his daughter to suffer being fatherless at such a young age, and thought in doing so, he could also be happy for once and partake in the joy of being a father. And even as the whole universe began to unravel and collapse, he still thought about saving his daughter, holding her in his hands. But Miguel was punished for wanting to have it all, by having an entire universe die out before his very eyes. Reminds me of Willem Dafoe’s Goblin, “You’re struggling to have everything you want, while the world tries to makes you choose.” Once again, this is evidence that both Peter and Miguel (and pretty much every Spider-Man in the Society) have so much more nuance than “they betrayed Miles” or “Miguel is the true villain,” both of which I’ve seen way too many people say. Miguel once thought the same thing Miles did, that he could protect someone he loved, and protect the multiverse at the same time. And while it could be different for Miles, for Miguel it cost him an entire world, including his daughter.

Bro that could've actually been perfect, cause like at the start of the chase scene, Peter B says to Mayday "sorry for doing this, this is bad parenting" but it also feels directed at Miles in a way to say that he's sorry for telling him not to save that one person anymore. That's really freaking cool, nice edit btw!

That unused quote ended up in the trailers for Into the Spider Verse and DOES indeed make Across the Spider Verse hit harder.

I’m so glad i have reached this depth of spiderverse vids on KZfaq

Though this probably wasn’t intended as foreshadowing for the sequel, it sure does feel like it. Had the scene made it into the first film, Miles feelings of betrayal towards Peter and Gwen would’ve hit even harder for me. Though they had Mr. Davis encouraging Miles in his fight against Kingpin as a subtle way of showing us his motivation for getting back up, I feel like having Peter be the one to tell Miles this would make the eventual betrayal more impactful for Miles.

My dad is a very important person in my life, so this is just another aspect of Miles' character that is relatable to me an a very specific way.

They way peter describes how spiderman is supposed to think is the complete opposite of miguel who is for the whole world and against the one person method which is interesting and it makes sense for it to be removed because in the second peter is on miguels side which would contridict what he said but also, peter saying one person could be reffering to saving his relationship with mj and it makes sense for each character to want to think about saving one person, for gwen its her dad, for peni shes looking out for her robot, for peter its mj and for miles in this movie its his dad. and the reason miguel doesnt see it this way is that he has no one to look out for, all the people he once had are all gone and he is too fearful to risk it all again for one person like he did before for his daughter. anyway its a great clip but it wouldnt make much sense because we see peter agree with miguel until the end

I really think Miguel is a redeemable character and is simply being over protective because he doesn't want what happened to him to happen to others. He is a person with genuine love and care in his heart who just doesn't understand the idea that destiny is not preordained. I feel like in Beyond the Spider-Verse, he will learn that you can save the whole world and a single person. And if they don't do this, I'm gonna be pissed because having Miguel be a genuinely bad guy just kinda sucks

1:30 He is there for Miles 1:49 He was always there for Miles 2:03 That damn smile really made me fall for an Non-existent character😂

I love how Hobie helps him get out of there if anything the people he knew in the first movie the people he thought were going to help him didn’t but a person he barely knew helped him, also hilarious how Hobie chuckled afterwards

I love the little kiss Peter gives Mayday on the head when he apologised for bad parenting 😂 so many beautiful little gestures that are so powerful

i always kinda wondered how Hobie knew about using the palms if he has no idea about how mile’s energy absorption works

This quote is probably one of the most impactful quotes I’ve seen that has applied to every spider-persons story it’s a shame that they didn’t keep it in the movie but it was still an amazing quote especially when Miguel shows a different approach telling miles to think about the entire world over one person.

This got me really emotional lol. I hope he saves his dad in beyond!

nah hobie smiled after he broke free that shows you something

"You can't think about saving the whole world, you have to think about saving one person" "You have a choice between saving one person and saving an entire world, every world"

1:19 this unseen quote was in the scene of miles with the suit in into the spider verse and also miguel revealed

Dude. This hits SO HARD with the sequal.... And this to me is the crux of growing up. You realize society is broken. You wanna fix it for ALL SOCIETY. But thats never how it works. And a human can either hate themselves for not being strong, powerful, or smart enough. Or human can realize its society thats inherently broken(cant make perfection for everyone) while also not being angry at society for that.

so what i’m getting from it is, if you save one person you’ll save the whole world.

It reminds of the phrase, "you dont save everyone, you just try to make the world better for that one person."

if they kept it in then it'd definitely be a big contrast to peter trying to stop miles in the second movie so i kinda get it. miles probably wouldn't stop bringing it up then.

I love how the most replayed part of this video is just Hobie being an instigator. I love this guy 😂

“Nah…I’mma do my own thing.”

"u cant think about saving the world, u gotta think about saving one person" "u have the choice between saving one person and saving an entire world every world" so frickin HARD😭

I have a massive amount of repsect for Insomniac’s (Video Game) Spider-Man, up there with some of these guys as my favorite Spider. I was just randomly thinking about the contrasts between Peter and Norman in that game, then I suddenly remembered the ending and went, “Oh my God. This video hits way harder now. I can totally understand why he’d take Miguel’s side.”

Dude this should’ve been kept in the movie, MAJOR foreshadowing

1:09 "THEY GOT ME FOR MY FOAMS"

It hits harder with the ending of Across the Spider-Verse. No spoilers, also thanks for not showing it, but that scene was incredible.

dammit every time i see any part of this movie with hobie in it I like his character just that much more. Bro is a real one

A true Spider-Man would do everything in his power to try and save his loved ones even if it risks breaking the universe.

Bro dropped the hardest edit, and it’s not super flashy and wild just pure raw emotion

I love hobie mouthing at him to use his palms through the cage, such a great character

I love this little moment not only for what it's supposed to teach Miles, but also because it illustrates how Peter B. is the *perfect* mentor for Miles, as opposed to the 'perfect' Spiderman of 1610. Sure, 1610 Peter could have still reasonably given the same advice, but as delivered by Peter B., it has so much more depth and resonance as the more tragic superhero; he's lost both his Uncle Ben and Aunt May, and at this point in the original movie, he's all but convinced himself he's lost MJ too (to a point that the entire reason he was willing to doom himself after deactivating the collider was because he thought he had nothing left) Peter B. is pocked with loss and riddled with mistakes, and for as many characters (and fans) seem to underestimate him and believe he's one of the weakest Spidermen in the cast, it's in his many failures both as a hero and a normal human being, does he probably understand *most of them all*, of the value in being grounded and in rising above defeat. Miles is given an impossible task, set to an impossible standard: become a Spiderman like 1610's 'perfect' Peter Parker. Likewise, Peter B. is faced with his own challenge: become a father, in spite of the great many failures he's suffered. The *EXPECTATIONS* set against them both are crushing but it allows them to bond in ways no other character relationship in the cast can, and it's through their journey together that they're able to help each other learn it's not about being a perfect hero, or a perfect dad... It's just about trying, no matter what. Spiderman always gets back up.

Hobie is my favorite character lmao. He immediately starts stealing tech as soon as they get to base. He eggs Miles on during the arguments, he even reminds Miles to use the whole palm subtly enough but not too subtly, and then as soon as all hell breaks loose? "Just for the record, I quit."

“You can’t think about saving the whole world, you have to think about saving one person, miles. You just think about someone you love.” “You have the choice between saving one person and saving the world - EVERY world.” The duality and the impact of these two philosophies must be absolutely heart wrenching for miles to decide between. And for his mentor, the person that told him to focus on the individuals, care about the *people* - telling him that he has to let his dad go for the greater good - that’s crushing.

Miles saying “I can do both,” hits hard for me cause when Pav (Indian Spider-Man) was trying to save his gf and saw Inspector Sing was about to die he also says “I can do both,” but what makes the thought deep is we know Inspector Sing would have died if Miles wasn’t there to save him. Pretty much just shows that both Miles and Pav have similarities in thinking they’re good enough to do both but what’s different is Miles is an anomaly so we’d think he could save his dad and his dimension before it collapses but likes Miguel says, it’s a cannon event so that’s why just thinking about the fact they said the exact same thing just goes hard

Hobie's quick, sharp little "There you go." 'Hobie you're not helping." "Good." Is somehow the best dialogue sequence in the film for me. The way Kaluuya delivers the lines, coupled with how *awful* the moment is otherwise, it just...expertly done. Phenomenal.

it really does hit different.

im crying now

There’s no way his dad doesn’t recognize his own son’s hug. He has to know for sure.

This was an AWESOME edit! I wish they would’ve put this in the movie, but it’s all good. Thank you for posting it!

Is it me or could this be possibly the GREATEST Spider-Man story ever told? 😭

Dang I’m gonna cry I love that

i like that miles doesn't start talking or anything cliche he just guns it

I don't fully agree with this being in the original movie because of Peter's attitude towards Miguel. He is treating Miguel like he's a normal person in a tone that's too happy despite those multiple cannon events (the ones that cost lives) that has been left to happen. I know that he has a really good mood in the second movie unlike him before meeting miles for the first time, but atleast tone it down a bit if you're talking to people that lets sacrifice happen, even if the person that he's talking to has good intentions.

I Immediately thought of this scene when he asked his dad "You wanna talk about it?" That one line would mean SO MUCH MORE if this scene was included. I know you didn't include that specific part of the deleted scene, but it's when when him and Pete keep saying "you wanna talk about that" to eachother.

Bro im such a sucker for peter and miles moments i love these guys man also love the edit :D

The hardest part about this job is… you can’t always save everyone

They should have of keep that scene in the movie

1:59 does anyone else see smth reminiscent of a spider’s silhouette? Just me? Ok.

I really wish that was kept in. I would have 10000% sobbed lmao

Man hobie is such a great character, hes like that rebel thats part of a lot of groups except hes actually likable and funny at the same time. And also how he never lets you know what hes gonna say or do.

So, that means only Miles Morales is the version of spiderman who capable to do both, saving the entire multiverses and his own family as Miguel said Miles is an anomaly.

Miguel's line would have hit harder if this was kept in

made me cry

Spiderman can't always save everyone, but Spiderman always tries.

Such an excellent line, sad it wasn’t used in the final movie.

Honestly, this has been the best triple-A movie I've ever seen. I've never felt so much emotion from a triple-A movie.

I love it, it's both self contradictory and motivating. This means before Peter met Miguel he believes in doing everything you can to save that one person and after believe sacrificing that person for the whole world. I wish they kept in in and played on the scene later

Ohhhh!!! That was beautiful!