Thank you sir! I always enjoy your content.

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@@XRING Can you comper 6mm MAX to 6.8 SPC? Especialy in short barrel?

How long is the barrel on your 6 max?

@@jazon9 How about comparing it to the 6 Dasher

Spot on! After showing the results with the 10.5 I can image spinning on up on a 12.5 or 14.5. Bullet weight would be key but I think this cartridge can fill many roles. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.

Great way to illustrate the use case for the 6mm max vs the arc, i'd agree; a 13.7 in 6mm max for me please and thank you.

"Lighter firing schedule" ?

@@Dexter-nw2fe with an “SPR” the assumption is that you will not be doing mag dumps or full auto bursts hence the “lighter” firing schedule than a regular combat rifle where those would be more common. Think MK12 vs M4 or MK18.

Doesn’t seem like a trap. Seems like 6 MAX is a better option over 6 ARC.

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They are nice! Thanks for watching.

77gr 5.56 is already pretty anemic at 400yds, let alone 600-1000yds. You can’t hear or see it hit the steel much of the time out here in the West. On a calm day with no winds, sure, but we don’t get many of those. I have these 12” popper steel targets with heavy bases, but they allow the plates to rock from impact. Even at 300yds, 5.56 doesn’t move them, whereas 6.5 Grendel rocks the plates pretty hard. As you go down in projectile weight, the performance on-target diminishes, even with 6 Dasher. I agree about replacement for 5.56 though. If I could go back in time, I would have had Stoner, Jim Sullivan, and Robert Fremont start out with a case that held more propellant and a bigger bore than .224” for the AR-15, although Fort Benning and the SCHV proponents were looking for .22 cal at really high speeds in the 3400-3600fps region.

@@LRRPFco52 Oh yeah, for shooting steel in particular, .223 kinda sucks. Mass is the major factor there. I just think that when we're accounting for all the things people normally do with a new wonder caliber, from self defense to hunting to military fantasy football, the difference in performance isn't so stark in longer barrel lengths for that to be the selling point for most people. That's what confuses me about the marketing for so many of these calibers, it usually focuses on being able to get that 1000 yard performance from a longer barrel setup. For a lot of people, a carbine length AR-10 would likely be a stronger contender for their time and money if the ~1000 yard space is what they need a setup for. On the other hand, advertise that your 10.3 SBR/"Pistol" can have all the power of your buddies' M16? That'd be enough to sell most people on a new home defense setup even if they didn't feel any pressing need for one. Wholeheartedly agree with your last point. The domestic and international politics regarding the 60's and 70's were a horrible mess that caused a lot of strange decisions with regards to arms adoptions. A lot of the intermediate cartridges suggested around that era had loads of promise, if only they took off. Especially the 6mm and 6.5mm experiments.

@@KeterMalkuth They did the SCHV Rifle submissions in 1957. Army Ordnance Board who developed the M14 had Stoner chasing different engineering studies with larger cases in the AR-15 to keep him chasing his tail while they pushed the throttle on trying to get the M-14 standardized and adopted before anyone else could see the AR-15. Those slightly-larger cartridge designs would have been similar to some of the chamberings we've seen over the past 20 years in the AR-15.

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My secondary flashlight ! 🤣

@@XRING lol

Very loud flashlight!

You aint kidding. I was expecting it to be frisky. Wasn't disappointed. Imagine popping that off in a hallway on full auto... Even ear pro isn't going to save you from that thing.

Exactly! Always having a sling that isn't dangling or getting caught up on the things is really nice. I have tried the ranger bands and they do work well but the VTAC sling just makes it perfect.

It's legit for sure!

You tell no lies here

no way in hell that'll be the production specs

Yes, those are the actual numbers.

Does anyone knows the chamber pressure on that Cartridge by any chance?

Just the data! Thanks hope.

Thanks Steve.

From BC Precision Ballistics, 24” test barrel, 103gr ELD-X 2700fps (50fps slower than 6mm ARC) That would be: 20” 2621fps 1075yds +12 mils drop / 2.7 mils drift 1130fps (still supersonic) 18” 2573fps 1050yds +12 mils / 2.7 drift 1125fps 16” 2517fps 1000yds +11.6 mils 2.6 drift 1139fps 14.5” 2469fps 975yds +11.6 mils 2.6 drift 1134fps 12.5” 2392fps 925yds +11.4 mils drop 2.6 drift 1135fps 10.5” 2298fps 875yds +11.4 drop / 2.6 drift 1126fps

@@LRRPFco52 You’re awesome. Thank you!

@@Caoimhin777 That's all Hornady Doppler Radar data for the 103gr ELD-X showing supersonic reach, drop and drift for each barrel length. The speeds remind me of 123gr 6.5mm in Grendel, which has more ft-lbs of energy on-target. One difference is 20" Grendel is typically around 2550fps mv with 123gr, but will do 2700-2820fps with 107gr. My 12" Grendel does 2698fps avg with 90gr and 2400fps with 120gr Federal Match so I've been realizing that CQB-capable/LR Mini Carbine/Pistol concept since 2017. I shoot a lot of 123gr ELD-M from the 12" at 400-800yds, and the 110gr PPU I've taken out to 900yds with a shocking 1st-round hit. You can have better performance than a 20" 5.56 from 10.5" Grendel, mainly because you have 35-36gr of internal case volume with a more efficient, short powder column and 30° shoulder.

You won’t see shorter barrels yet without getting custom barrel. Only 16. 18, and 20 available so far as far as I know. Factory loads I was getting 0.94 to 1.2 moa size groups with average of 1.146 from 10 groups of 15 rounds with 90g and 105g with my ability to shoot. Found 90g factory loads were slightly more accurate in my 18in gun. I know a better shooter with tuned gun can get better. It takes standard 0.750 gas block.

Blue Force makes great gear as well.

Thanks Joel!. You should get your FFL and SOT license. I hope you have been well sir.

Liberty Defense. They are one of the best but quite pricey .

Look at what a 12" Grendel does with 80gr Hammer HTs. Mine averages 2698fps with 90gr TNT, so 80gr will be in the 2800fps region.

That's my truck gun. Absolutely love it - CQB with longish range capable.

Me too!

Hey Tim, I appreciate it. It is a beautiful area but the only fishing I have done is Trout and bass fishing in the central part of the state. Never tried Muskie fishing .

@@XRING if you ever decide to try it it's supposed to be pretty good. French Broad and others supposedly have really good populations.

I addressed that with Brian. He said that he could get that way down into the teens with the same velocity using a different powder.

Only BC Precision Balistics and SOLGW has barrels at the moment. However, they don’t offer the 10” barrels at the moment. This was a custom barrel.

Ok thanks I’m in Hickory nc

I would like to get the 20”

I can find that out Sean. I think you might be able to get in that ballpark. Let me do some digging.

I’m curious about the heavier pills too.

It’s about 50-100fps slower with the 100-105gr bullets. An 18” ARC will shoot some of the upper end 24” 6mm Max speeds, but the lighter bullets are really fast in 6mm Max where it might overlap with ARC.

LOL. No, but it does look like it. They are the Liberty Suppressor covers. They are probably the most bombproof covers out there. They are costly though.

SOLGW has been shipping to dealers and distributors for the last few weeks. I know that Paramount Tactical Solutions had 2 for sale this week. I would think those are already sold.

BC Precision ballistics. In stock

There aren't any really lightweight bullets in 6.8 because they would look fatter than their length almost. 85gr TTSX is the lightest I'm aware of.

Thanks BigJ! I hope you have been well.

I don’t normally use 6m through any 5.56 suppressor but I measured the openings in the RC3 and it seemed to me more forgiving on my specific model. I haven’t had any issues but it is not recommended for this application.

Roger that, thanks for the info.

Very nice! I still like that rifle and the piston setup. 👍🏼

@XRING Yeah, the piston setup is really nice and cleanly done. Thanks for the awesome videos, and the reply!

Hey badbilly. At the moment it's running 1.50 a pull. However, it should be dropping in the near future.

Great question! It is the 5.56 can but we checked the exit aperture and saw that there was clearance. I am not recommending anyone try that and if you do it is your responsibility.

LOL. There are 4. The LWRC has a registered auto sear without the third hole. I do appreciate you watching NXL269.

Not to mention burning out the barrels so fast that they have a "training" round to reduce wear. 5.56 is still a good round, especially with the 69 and 77grn ammo. I'd still take an M4 over that Sig monstrosity. 6Max or a similar round seems like that way to to make short rifles hit harder without sacrificing ammo capacity.

Not sure why it matters or is relevant to the video but I’m the source. I ran the Oly Arms 6” while on an ODA in Iraq in 2008-2009 and Afghanistan in 2010-2011. I made a post about it with pictures on our channel.

Had it custom made by Clark at STW firearms. Not sure if he has a website or anything.

@@XRING How would a guy go about contacting him to have one made. Didn't even see him in a google search.

Not enough powder for either to be a concern under 3k rounds.

@@thelittledetailscr7231 6 max is still pushing 3k out of a 10.3 how are you going to say its not a concern?

These rounds run very similar powder charges at very similar velocities. Therefore I would think barrel life will be Similar. For example. Both are within just a few FPS and couple tenths of powder of H4895 and 75VMAX on published data for each. Same for the 87VMAX.

That’s awesome m. On a sod only. I had never ever ran a vertical grip on an AR until Kyle Lamb showed me why you wanted one. There me are some techniques that really justified having one on a rifle. The pros definitely outweighed the cons.

I will definitely be picking one up then. Thank you.

Yes, but you won't be able to get on the top platform. You can spot from underneath and it is shaded there.

Thanks ! Just a factory Geissele Super duty with 10.3” barrel and Geissele handguard. Surefire RC3 with Surefire 3tine mount. Liberty defense suppressor cover. Vortex razor HD 1 to 10 optic. Spuhr cantilever mount, peq ir and visible laser. Surefire scout DFT light.Unity V4 switch .