we finally seeing a brightness war in the competing oled segment.

lg g3 beats the samsung s95c qd oled. happy with this. only a shame that the lg c3 model has now heatsink and no mla panel. so i must buy the lg g3 then! and i dont hang the tv on the wall. so i must buy seperate a stand for it!

@@janduller4722 beats how? wait for hands on reviews before jumping to conclusions.

@@HeloisGevit Hear it from caleb denison. He tells no jokes mate! Reliable guy from digitaltrends! And i hate tizen. Webos is so much smoother!

@@HeloisGevit Also the firmware updates from samsung are fucking scam. make the tv more worse then before. less more motion, dimmer also.

Thats a good point if they inherit qd oled.

MLA TECHNOLOGY is patented by LG, QD oled is not perfect and QD oled has flaws

@@user-pu2ro8ok3r Both tech has flaws. Neither is perfect.

@@dbztrk can you say MLA OLED flaws? I want to know

Any or most OLED can be pushed to 2000 nits but would then burn super fast sadly :( EDIT: Forgot to say microlens have already been made for years for some stuff, there's even some people on youtube doing arrays of macrolenses so any other brand can do their own too...

Qd is still superior

@@FusioN_764Panasonic chose MLA that tell all you need to know.

@@FusioN_764 Samsung fanboy

@@kingyogesh441 panasonic chose wisely. MLA technology is patented by LG

@@user-pu2ro8ok3r *and is superior to qd-oled for Panasonic quality comes first.

I don't agree. Look at GPU manufacturers, or smartphones.. also car. Competition is everywhere.

@@joxyn If the competition you're talking is about "who can fumble this mess the hardest" I'm sure everyone would agree.

@@nabieladrian that's also true lol

@@joxyn The GPU market has been stagnated for the last 6 years lol

Compared to companies that make monitors for computers, I agree 100%

That's just dishonesty linked to referral selling.

Lol I bought a C1 a year ago that I never even opened... I should have waited lol. Think I should just try to sell it & get one of these new ones?

​@@skins4thewin The C1 is a great TV. I have it too and happy with it, but will likely be upgrading towards the end of the year. The technology has improved significantly since 2021.

I know, it makes me sad that I just bought an LG C2.

@@skins4thewin yeah for sure

I agree with you

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@@mnomadvfx Samsung has basically been the laughing stock of the TV market for many years now and I say that as a Samsung fan. 😂😂😂 Samsung phones and tablets are amazing. Samsung TV's are garbage. That simple.

@@JohnnyBravoGn LMAO

Not with its horrible uniformity. Tinting on whites and diluted colour. QD oled is the better option for now.

@@pioneer2321 and qd oled with its raised blacks in light , over saturated colors , and light bleeding issues. Woled is a proven and reliable technology.

Nah, it still uses white subpixel boosting so colors are more washed out compared to QD OLED.

It's still going to look fantastic to the un trained eye. Bright with deep blacks. Can't go wrong .

@@Adam-vx6toor enhanced and unnatural colors on QD OLED

@@Adam-vx6to as of light from RGB pixels won’t pass through MLA 🤡🤡.

@@user-pu2ro8ok3r Colors are not unnatural on QD OLED, certainly not if you have it setup correctly. Not sure where people get this idea.

Not really, WLA has been talked about for 7 years already. This may be the fruit of the labor/research finally.

@@patrickrk44 great, but them releasing this exactly now is a clear message anyway. They would have to use whatever they had in store anyway or invent something.

@@alangfp every company has a RD department that's working on the next big thing. Take Samsung and micro led. How long have you heard they have been working on it for for example....

@Rev nothing in the business world is a coincident

9000k white point tho apparently to get d65 you have to reduce the brightness to 1500nits Now I seriously want samsung to make a 50inch microled to destroy LG 9000k what is all content displayed at d65 right so basically LG is gonna have to force filmmakers to start making there films in 9000k With microled technology you can have d65 and and bright as far as you can drive them leds to over 10000nits and it will be a pure RGB panel so yea if I have to sacrifice D65 for more brightness then staying with the older panels for now is a better idea I don't want a blue picture

I don't miss any brightness on my Alienware OLED. With HDR1000, in one game I had to reduce gamma to 10-20 %, otherwise it would have burned off my retina.

They’ve pretty much killed the led this year with the 2000+ nit oleds coming out.

@@polishdude001 Not really. Lcd still gets brighter at all window sizes with no risk of burn-in and is far cheaper. Oled will never beat lcd

@@semahj Yes it will but not now.

@@md_zafl5284 It really won't. Micro LED is around the corner. Lcd will always be cheaper to produce than OLED. OLED will never dominate.

@@semahj Micro LED isn't the endgame of panels. Neither is QD-Micro LED. There's always something better around the corner. Technology advancements wait for no one.

give me a micro led with 4000 nits brightness :D

@@Ustaleone and 12bit :)

MLA technology is patented by LG

@@user-pu2ro8ok3rI don’t think quantum dots are patented though. So LG could use quantum dots, and then MLA?

And burn in as well

Woop woop 🙌🏾

ELQD is the end goal , but QNED+QD color conversion layer will be fine until ELQD is ready.

This

Exactly what I was thinking about. That would be the ultimate OLED TV of this decade.

Why so you can get already oversaturated crap even more oversaturated 🤡? Besides it’s patented by LG.

Does he mean this one ? UltraGear 27GR95QE-B

@@Tezzor I don't know. The slide only mentioned 32" and 27" gaming monitors in general.

A larger screen automatically appear brighter anyway. Since much larger screen surface. So might not be that much of a difference?

Curious to hear Vincent's thoughts around a purchase decision between a G3 83-inch and a G3 77-inch.

Where did you hear that the 83" will not have the same brightness boost as the other sizes? And is it because the 83" won't reach the same absolute brightness levels, or is it because the old 83" is already brighter than the smaller sizes?

I'm not sure but if you search "LG new micro lens array" or similar, there are articles about the sizes with the increased brightness for relevant models which from memory I think include the 55 inch. 65 inch and 77 inch. Don't take my word for it though. I just bought the C2 in December which was my first oled in 48 inch size which is still very large for the bedroom size I have it in. In some ways I regret purchasing that as at the time I didn't know it was 55 inch+ sets that had the increased brightness and now LG seem to be making a very large step up year to year if 60% increase is indeed true. I want to know about the smaller size improvements in brightness but the pixels are too close together in smaller sets for the same amount of brightness increase. Is is heat that means brightness can't be pushed up?

+1 same question!

I have been asking the same question... i just dont understand curved ultrawides or television sized monitors...

Vincent stated it was for accuracy of content - the test is coming years when QD-OLED will put ahead with new blue OLED sources - but I think all the colours can get better - so both will have a place

Not a surprise at all. The surprise is finding an emissive pixel tech like OLED has viewing angle problems in the first place.

it doesn't look like that in Live ! , it's not the same when you watch live TV or when you watch KZfaq! let's wait for the final TV for sale, where all the defects have been corrected, this is a pre-sale model

Samsung's OLED panels are from LG.

I also thought to buy the C2 but how do you know that it has the EX-Panel? Normally all the C2 leftovers with the old panel must be sold before you can get the C2 with the Ex-Panel. Anyway i may be waiting for the C3 but i´m still indecisive about that.

I just got a c2 for my monitor. best buy so got the 5 year warranty. i wonder if i can get a meta panel if this just "happens" to get burn in or something in the next 9 months. :D btw how do i tell if i got the newer c2 panel or the older c2 panel that isn't as bright? i have the service remote.

@@Steelaron all C2 manufactured after October 2022 will come with EX, anything produced between May to OCT you might have a chance, the later their production date the higher it came with the EX panel. To verify you can check the module ID by accessing the service menu.

@@jy_vision2804 I just bought a 65" C2 during black friday week. What's the model # for the ex panel?

I think they direction of technology is towards HIGHER refresh rates. a lower refresh isn't really beneficial in anyway I can think of.. except perhaps trying to get a panel to operate below 40 or 42fps for the purposes of showing 24fps Movies but since doubling works fine I don't really see the need. & it's only really useful for horrible frame rate videogames. which you really don't want anyone being encouraged to make. I agree though VRR Flicker is annoying but I think the move to a 240hz standard might get rid of it.

@@90lancaster How should they get rid of it by just increasing the refresh rate to 240hz? Makes no sense. If the subpixel can't match the gamma curve for the entire refresh rate range, you will see flickering. Actually it could be even worse if you increase the refresh rate and you only optimize the gamma curve of the subpixel for 240hz for example. That's why it is still the only option on latest OLEDs to prevent VRR-flickering to set the display to fix 60Hz. With this method you will force the subpixel into a consistent overcharged state. Dark scenes would look constantly raised, which you can fix with the fine tune dark area settings, but it would eliminate nearly all the VRR-flickering which you would normally see if you set the display to 120Hz. Wider refresh rate range with subpixels only optimized for gamma level at a fixed refresh rate = the more VRR flickering you would see.

Always a good plan to wait for a better price

It certainly is worth waiting for prices to decrease. I think I may wait till black friday this year and replace the set in the living room. I have just bought a C2 for my bedroom but I'm not sure an oled would be best suited for the living room as it can get bright in there. I do hope there is a bug improvement in average picture level is it called? Base brightness? That way u could hopefully use it in the living room.

I not u*. I would be looking to opt for the g3 this time with it having a heat sink. It's extra protection anyway.

I would do that too, I bought a LG CX two years ago and I'm really happy with it but those new Meta panels are tempting. They will be really expensive at first for sure, so I might wait a couple of years more to get my hand on one of them, plus we're in some tough times so better save up instead of upgrading too early with a big early-adopter price.

@@TorqueFormulaWon Even my C6 has plenty brightness if I wanted to use it in the living room for SDR content. I calibrate SDR to 175 nits in my bedroom and that's only about half the way it can go. Remember, full field brightness isn't particularly important for real world usage as it is rare for the APL to get bright enough for ABL to matter. Even with a lit room under consideration, if I'm watching HDR content I'm watching in the dark, living room or not.

Especially since the rumors were that MLA would hurt viewing angles.

LG has patented this technology, next year MLA OLED with 2500 nits brightness is coming

A speculation video is a waste of his time. He's not some TV-panel weatherman. His video should be comparing two retail models head to head. NOT speculating "expected" differences.

I think he listed that in the previous video on this topic... I think it's missing from the A Series and B Series... I don't think Monitors or the CS was mentioned.... I don't even know if the CS was just a stop gap model to shift excess stock of certain parts or if they plan to keep making it. It is quite popular as a cheaper alternative to the C2 I feel. The 55" was as cheap as £899 a couple of months ago.

C4 will be a blast!

Not as bright ? Its literally 30 % brighter then the S95B, and even more. The S95B reduces brightness with EACH update, cause the burn in Risk is so high with the brightness it tried to display in the beginning., Also, it updates AUTOMATICALLY; you have to fking disconnect your out of the box TV, from tne Internet if you want the original brightness.

yes let us see 👀🤞🏾

@@spartacuscreator omg I didn’t know this was happening. So Samsung really drove their panels too far in order to compete, but it backlashed… I knew it would happen. How can a first-timer like them do something LG has been trying to achieve for a decade, but without the side-effects?? Now we know how it went 😂

@@spartacuscreator that's on paper, you have to see them side-by-side first. The G2 was promised to be 40% brighter than the G1 due to its heatsink, but that's only in small windows or specular highlights. In full screen it's not that much different, maybe 100 nits. Perceptually, that's barely noticeable even when you have them side-by-side. The S95B is considerably brighter than W-OLED (admittedly before the updates), but looks like they've increased it even further with the S95C without limiting, so my comment still stands.

@@spartacuscreator S95B is still brighter and has superior colour volume than any WOLED you can buy post updates. The filmmaker mode on the latest firmware is the most accurate it's ever been. Not to defend Samsung's firmware record though, it has been really poor with lots of unresolved bugs still. When the G3 comes out, there will be the S95C, compare it to that not last year's panel.

Wait a couple more years.

My choice is LG G3,. Samsung qd OLED s95b has oversaturated colors, i watch this samsung on stores

Its not as bad as sony, trust me. My a80j gets so dim that looks worse compared to my plasma for some reason.

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Let's be real, they only made this jump because QD-OLED forced them to. They would be sitting on their laurels otherwise

@@stealthis Yeah, like all technology they probably had this one ready for years and were waiting to push it only if needed to, and Samsung made them do the jump. Brand competition is great for consumer

In theory although since LG doesn't have access to QDOLED tech I'm assuming they're gonna lock Samsung out of using MLA for their OLEDs. (Assuming MLA is a LG patented tech)

They're actually still "stuck" at 250nits when displaying 100% White on screen, just like last year's. Could be due to the EU's power regulations and/or just plain heat.The big breakthrough will be when TVs get to 500-600nits at 100% white sustained.

Will be interesting to see Panasonic MZ2000 versus the Sony A95L using the new 2023 QD OLED panel. I feel like it’s going to be hard to beat the color volume of QD OLED and the 2023 panel will be getting a jump in brightness as well. If anyone can dethrone Sony it’s Panasonic

@@epap1375 I Have the A95k and Panasonic LZ2000 and some colors look better on the Panasonic LZ2000, and skin tones look better to , but over all the image is a little bit better on the A95k. Panasonic is the creator of the heat sink they are fantastic at engineering.

@@michaelfoster3441 Are you in the USA? I just picked up the A95K on Black Friday for my bedroom and am absolutely in love with it. Also have an LG CX and a sony A9G. The QD OLED color volume and brightness blew me away compared to my other TV’s. I’m a Panasonic fanboy at heart and would buy the MZ2000 in a heart beat to replace my basement “theater” A9G if they offered it in the US directly. A MZ2000 paired to my UB9000 blu ray player would be a dream.

@@epap1375 No I'm in the UK I wish Panasonic would go back to the US, you guys are missing out . Them and Sony will have the new media tek chip next year and it's a game changer, it will also have 4 2.1 hdmi inputs .

good question.

So they can get bigger numbers=better marketing

It’s a different standard I think. Most people know of D65 or 6500k, but D93 or 9300k is also a valid white point that’s used in Japan and other Asian countries, where LG is based.

It's just to show you that the screen can get bright

this channel isn't for you lol

@@framesgone3671 why is that? we're all into TV's right?

People get obsessed with nits... And they get obsessed with what is by most measures a moderate or even very small difference in resolution or color, which would be impossible to detect unless you had two sets side by side. It's lovely that this information is out there for people who are in the market for a new TV but I find it rather sad so many people will buy a TV in a year later immediately dump it for the next one that comes along, buying into the idea of how manipulated we are by runaway consumerism. Nobody needs to upgrade a TV set that's only a couple years old unless they're doing it for bragging rights.

Completly correct, only people who use in bright rooms like me need better.