That’s literally what an MMO is though lol I think they mean MMORPG

Yeah what he said^ also i think its them seperating the paid character mmorpgs vs say the normal mmorpgs that have mainly only cosmetics that are paid

I feel the same way for the most part, though I don't necessarily like using the term "open world", where the term is usually used as the opposite of a linear game, which MMO's can most certainly be. The key example I'd use of an MMO that I used to play is Wizard101.

Large shared open world AND can not be better categorized by another title... Diablo, PoE are ARPG's, Destiny 2 is a Looter Shooter. They may have some MMO features but they are best described as something else.

I haven't seen anyone else mentioning this but did people forget about quests? Im not a typical MMO player but for me a MMO is an Online Open world game that has Quests. I think Questing in an open world with other players is the definition of MMO

cuz the games pay to win so when u have a bunch of rich ppl max gear thinking they know everything it makes a toxic community

@@silvioantonio6952 they dont count because they are pvp with ranking systems.

@@csick425 gotta love attributing random things that have nothing to do with pay 2 win to pay 2 win! Next up, I bet it'll be the cause of climate change and ww3 lmao

@@loonylunaticmaxhammer3401 what? Why would that make them not count? Most MMO's also have PVP with ranking systems...

@@loonylunaticmaxhammer3401 and are you really saying wow wasn't toxic in 2007? Because you def didn't play in a raiding guild if you think so

this is real and true. would have been a good point of comparison against games like destiny or warframe which are mmo-shooters but with instanced content. cheers.

When Planetside 2 came out i had so much fun in it and its still probably one of the most epic moments in FPS gaming i have ever experienced, it gave the true feeling of being insignificant footsoldier whose life doesn't matter in grand scale :D

I really like the small things like doing a quest or gathering and another player shows up and you do it together or running somewhere and seeing a group doing a difficult event and you join them. I don't think I talked to anyone ingame in the past month or so... I just want these silent interactions.

You want to play in a living world but you don't want to be assigned group projects :)

Have you tried playing single player games with optional multiplayer? They do exist.

why are you nervous to talk?

Wow bad mmo good

You may like ESO if you haven't tried it describes what you mentioned but even if has all that one thing can pull people off like some People don't like the combat whole others love it because it's better than tab targeting.

Playing MMO solo... Yea that's why it is so bad these days

i read this comment and was certain you were a 2007 runescape player

@@tctrickshot also runescape yea

@@zentikk Playing with others 24/7 can get tiresome after a while so solo content in MMO's is good thing to have, for me PvP was always the go-to solo stuff when i needed some "me time" while still wanting to enjoy the gameplay in MMO's and if i didn't feel like doing combat i did gathering and crafting or played/manipulated games economy for hours.

You ever try GW2? That game is a true MMORPG in every sense. From your personal character getting it’s own backstory to having content in starter areas still being relevant and rewarding for end-game players.

Depending on your definition of "large", Destiny 2 would be an MMO based on this criteria because it has all those elements.

@@Nickulator D2 is basically an MMO/looter shooter chimera

@@fort809 Agreed.

I miss it too granted PvP was pretty one sided due to balance issues when I played.

ESO has dungeons like that called Public dungeons where it's essentially a walk in dungeon

@@llava2173 You realize they have to make money to keep a game running right? You people always have something to complain about if it aint about items that help you progress you start crying about fucking COSMETICS?! You are the main reason mmos are dying.

@@JaeJae95 Whats the point of the monthly sub then? If a game has 2 million subscribers are we supposed to believe that it costs $30mil a month to maintain servers and the game?

@@SquaulDuNeant It's like people have completely forgotten about the subs and box prices they pay for games. Server costs have fallen significantly as technology approved and becomes more available, and most modern MMOs don't back up their revenues with quality game development, just more microtransactions. The shilling is real with some of these folks for sure.

Ashes of Creation will not succeed. Do you know why? The main target audience is hardcore PvP players. The node system has the same problem as the faction system in New World : one faction can overtake the map, and if you're not from that faction, well no content for you!

@@SquaulDuNeant You got some serious issues brother LMAO!

what you didnt notice tho is that we all ask for it all the time, YEH? GIVE US MORE CONTENT! MORE CONTENT WHEN?! and then those players quit because they have a Valid reason to do so, Only to come back a week/month later and complaining about missing out.. do this over and over and you have created a FOMO LOOP for yourself.. Try to not be BOUND by TIME?

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Coming soon to Conan exiles.. fomo is the new loot box

@@askarn94 the problem is they make it limited time

as a person In my mind, an MMO is just a game In my mind

as a person In my mind, an MMO is just a game In my mind

I burned out on it in the original re-release. Did everything up to part 1 and 2 coil with a fun guild. After the excitement wore off we all went out separate ways. Even with new patches I can ot seem to get that same feeling of fun back. More often than not everytime I have gone back I end up just playing the game solo for story without much care for anything else. Flying still is horrible primarily because of the handicap on development because they refuse to let the console go. The game will never develop beyond what it is so long as they can only produce content that the PS5 can handle, they did finally let go of the PS4 support but it was far too late to matter. I loved the series but XIV just "sits on the shelf" far more than I can stand playing it now. Take for example the news of these updates... no feelings anymore, I don't even click on the updates from Happy anymore so I think I am just done with anything XIV related at this point, after all, I primarily played it for the nostalgia of the older series that Yoshi creatively threw in there. Once yhey started doing nonsense like Nier.... nope, I'm out, didn't care about that game so I have np interest in playing XIV for content based around it. I was mainly down for everything from 1-9, every release after that in the series was just a disappointment.

@@DeeFourCee Yes of course it is opinion. As for hardware limitation? Ever asked yourself why the game doesn't feel like an open world environment but rather a series of 'connected' loading zones? Thank console hardware for that. This is what I meant by flying being garbage outside of the fact that once you have it unlocked for a zone it becomes virtually useless outside of using it to gather materials. Nier was NOT Final Fantasy and such does not belong in XIV, again my opinion but it breaks the nostalgia. I do not foresee a return to the game as I did so once again in this last shadow one with the same lack of feeling. Everytime I came back I bounced around FCs hoping to find that group feeling but it just is not there. The game itself is a great solo player experience but like I said once the story is done... so is the game. The coolest experience I had which was unique was watching the evolution of Mor Dhona in real time (via patches). I still remember first visiting that place with just a few tents and npcs, even the walls surrounding the place did not exist. We would spend a lot of time there running other people through Titan runs before they finally figured out how to correct for the time delays in different internet connections. Drunken Titan runs were the best. For all of my love for this series, the first version of XIV they released was the first and only time I actually broke the game disc in half and tossed it in the trash so Yoshi did a good job at salvaging it into something worthwhile. I just feel that it has run its course for me personally and now I'm just waiting on the next good one to be released. That first stage of a great MMORPG is just the best, no overblown skillsets, challenge is on par for nearly everyone, gear isn't scaled all over the place... it was simplistic but challenging with a great group of people. You do you for sure, have fun with it but I do not expect it to maintain on the top all that long as they have run out of nostalgia from the actual series to run on, it was inevitable as there were only so many good games in the series. As for 10, what ruined that for me was removing the ability to traverse a world map looking for secrets like every one of its predecessors and once again it all came down to console hardware limits. Imagine how much cooler 12 would have been if it gave you more of that open world feeling rather than going from one loading zone to the next?

@@DeeFourCee I think it has more to do with it than you are giving it credit for. Most of the excitement in the earlier patches came from "What new esper/eidolon will we see next"... "Will we get Shiva or Leviathan? What about Fenrir?".... "Oooh, dude there's a raid fight involving Alexander"... "Wait... we finally get to see more moogles...?".... "Wth do you mean there is a moogle King??" "...dude we get to go to the floating continents from FFIII, sweeet!"... everything was nostalgia man even down to modification of our personal chocobos or even the fact that we _had_ personal chocobos, let alone battle with them against monsters. As for 16 I am intrigued but the problem I see right now is... yaaay it's Devil May Cry 7 with a Final Fantasy skin. Not to mention that every FF ever worth anything gave you *playable* party members... Not this one! So yeah, I'm not all that excited for Square to be abusing their legendary series' name just to try to scrape more profit due to fear of actually creating a new IP. From the looks of it, 16 should have just been it's own stand alone title to hopefully end up as a new flourishing series buuut nope, same old abuse of the Final Fantasy namesake purely for profit.

Destiny just simply called itself a shared world looter shooter for the longest time, which fit the description pretty well.

honestly, I think we should use the term nu mmo, that way people call it an mmo, but it makes it self damn clear its not an mmo

That's just not worth the investment. Why would you want 1000 people on the screen? You can't possibly recognize and communicate with 1000 people.

@@farfa2937 That why i want because i never seen it before. 1000 players can did many thing like fight worldboss on space, big sacle clan war and many thing.

@@pedzod1761 I don't think you have a sence of what 1000 actors would look like on a screen. Even if/when it's technically possible, you wouldn't be able to tell what the hell is going on.

Kind of like PlanetSide 2 perhaps? It definitely doesn't feel like an MMO to me, but that may be because I tend to relate the concept of MMO to games like WoW or Runescape, even though PlanetSide is word for word a massively multiplayer online game just like most games nowadays.

@Joseph Salley Rather than being technical, my concern is that developers will stick the tag of "MMO" these days to anything in order to justify selling a product of lower quality (in terms of graphics, storyline, depth etc) compared to that of a single player, because HEY, it is an MMO. In the past you could "forgive" these things because the MMO would allow you to interact with other people on a massive scale, which was a big thing. However, if you now take away this aspect, all you are left with is a game with multiplayer mode, that is of far less quality than its peers, and it also a live service model. As a consumer, I dont find this acceptable.

@@chanapkis45 As long as you can interact with people on a massive scale then yes it can be classified as an MMO. Check my reply below for my full concerns on the topic which I think we should all partially have :P

@Joseph Salley I agree with you on that point. I am just being sceptical and somewhat gutted on occasions, because regardless of the scrutiny that comes after the release, we have not seen much improvement with any of the current and latter tittles. If anything, perhaps the contrary. Although slightly out of topic, a certain "immortal" example seems to hold very well against criticism and scrutiny. It also has many tags.

Lobbies and a lot of players online doesn't mean it's an mmo. COD and BF always had hundreds of thousands of players online, But they are just multiplayers. Guitar hero is a multiplayer as well. As long as they are all not in the world TOGETHER and all can see each other, it's not an mmo. Lobbies and instanced game , is also not an mmo. You need to have a big world and the ability to host everybody together in 1 world.