AXIS

Look at radical drill sheets: that dotted line is the general axis migration down the lane, beginning at PAP as thrown. So a short pin layout being small hook/control I would say mid to high tilt enjoys this. Low tilt players... check your track: might work, might not, staying off the thumbhole.

Practice at it.

Seek out a qualified coach that can help you "work the inside of the ball" and properly rotate around the side in order to increase your tilt and lower your track.

RadicalBowling Thanks for the reply. Yes, I’ve received coaching from a USBC Silver and a Gold coach. 10 private lessons total. One said to come up the side and the other said to bend my wrist severely to the left, almost 90 degrees like Jakob Butturff uses, very awkward. Yet I see many senior bowlers with a very high tilt that don’t come up the side nor use that awful 90 degree wrist bend. I’m scratching my head with this higher tilt challenge.

@@DonaldDump2024 Tilt is very hard to change and is almost like a bowling fingerprint. Some say to wear a golf glove and enlarge your ring finger hole if necessary, so that you can start to feel the ring finger more on release. Some say to try and roll a backup ball which also focuses more on the ring finger. Personally, the only thing I haven't tried is the golf glove idea and I'm at the point where I am accepting my high tilt for what it is and will use other adjustments to compensate instead, as well as more surface and assym cores.

Joe HOENIG So you have high tilt and want to lower it? Interestingly, I’m the opposite. I’m currently coming up the side of the hall which works for getting the ball down lane before breaking. It is not as natural of a release for me and it has less hook. Our top bowlers in my senior league (averaging over 200) tend to have a natural high tilt. Those with lower tilt seem to have more problems with over/under unless they have high ball speed. I guess I’ll just have to live with coming up the side.

Negative Axis tilt typically occurs when you release the ball too late. It used to plague me as a 2handed bowler, making my shots inconsistent.

Tilt have more influence than rotation! But both are important.

Axis rotation allows the ball to dv8 from its original trajectory when it encounters friction. Axis Tilt mostly influences the ball's first transition. You can have no tilt and still create significant hook with axis rotation. I would argue that axis rotation is FAR more important for ball motion.

Think PDW. A lot of rotation with not much tilt. PAP somewhere in the very high 5’s with zero up or down. If you have tilt you need rotation to get the ball to recover. If you have rotation you don’t need tilt to get the ball to recover. PDW.

Tara Johnson It’s ball position. It’s the tilt or angle of the PAP (Positive Axis Point) when the ball contacts the lane. 0 degrees is straight level. 90 degrees is straight up.

Full Rollers generally have zero tilt. I am a Full Roller and have zero tilt. If you go to my channel and view "Full Roller Bowling Release 66, True Motion with Axis Weight Layout," you can see the marker on my PAP and watch the ball motion of a zero tilt ball.

nordattack I love your content btw

Thank you! Just keeping the Full Roller style alive.

My Zero Tilt Full Roller PAP is 6 3/16" right and 2 5/8" up

Devon Hackett He’s referring to the bowler’s PAP or Positive Axis Point. The measurement is taken from the center of the bowlers grip to the point of axis spin at release. You can research more about bowling PAP for a clearer explanation and how to determine your PAP if you’re interested.

I have no problem determining PAP. I must have missed the part where he said anything about "center of grip" and there is still no reference point for the "7/8ths up". Thanks.

Devon Hackett 7/8” up is from a line drawn 90 degrees laterally from the grip center. Mine is 5 1/4” over, 3/8” up. A bowling quarter scale or pro sec helps with the measurements.