Model Railway ElecTrainics - LED Basics

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Welcome to the new segment at Scott Rails.
Today we are covering the basics of LED lighting.
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@thomasdecker7631
@thomasdecker7631 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, Dave. As someone who is electronically challenged, I'm really going to appreciate this series.
@philhamsher3977
@philhamsher3977 2 ай бұрын
I am also electronically challenged, so I am looking forward to this series. Thanks for taking the time to put it all together.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 2 ай бұрын
See my comment for what I hope is a clear explanation of the resistor values.
@timothyjohnston4083
@timothyjohnston4083 2 ай бұрын
A very helpful video. I am looking forward to the next ones. Two things I have heard : 1- Using lower voltage than the LED's maximum will make the light dimmer (as you showed in the video); but it also prolongs their life. 2- If you wire resisters in series, their resistance is added. To get the 800 ohms you wanted, simply use two 400 ohm resisters in series.
@johna.dawson709
@johna.dawson709 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video Dave..looking forward to the next Elec Trainics basic video.. you made LED Basic easy to understand..
@jamesfitch6431
@jamesfitch6431 2 ай бұрын
Great video Dave. Thanks for sharing
@stevemcgeachy6953
@stevemcgeachy6953 2 ай бұрын
My first foray into LED lighting was a disaster. Knowing nothing I blew bulb after bulb until it dawned on me I needed to add the resistor. This is a good explanation of that Dave. You will save a lot of frustration with this video. Well done!
@theangelsmodellingandrailways
@theangelsmodellingandrailways 2 ай бұрын
That was a great insight into leds Dave, interesting, I learned stuff, that's always good, lol.
@user-uk8jr6zc9l
@user-uk8jr6zc9l 2 ай бұрын
Excellent Dave, you done the good job. JerseyBill
@ModelTrainOutsider
@ModelTrainOutsider 2 ай бұрын
Cool walkthrough and review of the various set-ups!
@HHExpress
@HHExpress 2 ай бұрын
Very nicely done Dave. I'm might learn something ;-)
@DarkpawTheWolf
@DarkpawTheWolf 2 ай бұрын
Good video. One correction, though...the resistor isn't voltage limiting, it's current limiting. If you put your voltmeter on that circuit when you turn it up, you'll see that your voltage is still what you'd expect it to be on the track. Otherwise, any time there's an LED put on the track circuit, it would impact the voltage also going to the train, since it's in parallel with the train.
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Wolf, always happy to get more information.
@caboosech
@caboosech 2 ай бұрын
Great how to do it video Dave
@m_mrailroad
@m_mrailroad 2 ай бұрын
Great series, not knowing this , this will help greatly. Thank you
@charleswalsh9895
@charleswalsh9895 2 ай бұрын
Great video as usual!
@tuglifeHO
@tuglifeHO 2 ай бұрын
great video, great series idea! This would have been very helpful when I first started lighting my layout. ALOT of trial and error and blown bulbs. Keep up the good work, Dave...
@fredhampton8317
@fredhampton8317 2 ай бұрын
Very educational Dave. Thanks.
@colinframe7095
@colinframe7095 2 ай бұрын
Exciting times!
@LyntreeTown20132
@LyntreeTown20132 2 ай бұрын
Great video Scott I just bought some of the strip led s for buildings wasnt sure where to cut - thanks for the info look forward to the next one in the seies
@aussiefrenchman-hobbytable9960
@aussiefrenchman-hobbytable9960 2 ай бұрын
Hi Dave, was going to use cheap Christmas lights to light my houses lol , yep hoping to learn more
@Sorarse
@Sorarse 2 ай бұрын
I think what that little tester will allow you to do is to see how many milliamps are required to give you the brightness you need for your project. As you should already know the voltage you will be using, once you know the current (mA) it's a simple matter of using Ohm's law to calculate the value of resistor to use.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 2 ай бұрын
I find the tester is also handy for discovering the LEDs from companies that reverse the long leg vs short leg thing. Also it is nice for identifying the colors. I tend to buy LEDs with a clear lens.
@SoRTs6233
@SoRTs6233 2 ай бұрын
Great intro, Dave. Funny enough, I don't remember my electronics instructor telling me about resistors 'sucking up' the extra voltage but, you made it clear what you meant! You might want tp read uo on Ohms Law (the basis of all electronics). Cheers, Jim L
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I should probably read more before I damage something expensive, lol
@dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267
@dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267 2 ай бұрын
Great video Dave
@AJB2K3
@AJB2K3 2 ай бұрын
The higher the milliamp, the higher the amount of current LEDs can draw. Not all LEDS run at the same voltage and current hence the different range. Running the LED's at a higher current will shorten its life. Flashing LED's have a tiny chip inside them that make the diode flash. If your eyes are good, you can just see the black chip in them. The average LED runs at 2V@20mA LED stands for Light emitting Diode and come in the same family of components as bridge/rectifier Diodes.
@casstelles
@casstelles 2 ай бұрын
I can tell you the secret magic formula to determine a dropping resistor. It is based on Ohm's law: E (Voltage) = I (current - amps) x R (resistance - ohms). The formula is: R = (Vss - Vled) / mA. Vss is the supply voltage minus Vled (LED voltage) (Note: this determines the voltage for the resistor) divided by the milliamp current of the LED. Since current remains the same in a series circuit, the milliamp current will be the same as the resistor current. So, the formula is an equivalent series circuit in Ohm's Law. As far as choosing a resistor, some values may not match the standard resistor values. A person will choose a value closest to the calculated value to the standard value or resistors can be added in series to increase the resistance or in parallel to lower the resistance to closely match the desired value.
@Faresplease
@Faresplease 2 ай бұрын
Very informative ... nicely explained
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 2 ай бұрын
A few points: On LEDs there usually is a rate maximum current which you never want to go above. There is also a thing called "test current" which is the one they use to check the brightness. In a lot of cases, you want to run the LED with under 1/2 the test current to make it not too bright for the application. Current ratings are usually stated in mA (milliamps) which is 1/1000th of an Amp. 20mA would be 0.020Amps. Ohm's law is not all that tricky once someone tells you that I is the Amps for reasons. (I will use * for times) V = I*R or I = V/R or R = V/I That last one is the one you will want in most cases. The LED is about 2V of drop. The supply voltage is 12V so there are about 10V to be gotten rid of. We want to run the LED at 10mA (for example) 10mA = 0.01A R = 10V/0.010A = 1000 Ohms For this reason, I* suggest you want some 1000 Ohm resistors. Each LED gets a 1000 ohm in line with it so each one gets the right current. Also: They make "amber" LEDs these look nicely like a flame based light or an old incandescent bulb. Because the needed current is so low, you can have a "wall wart" style power supply as a supply to run the LEDs. This way you can have them on with the power to rails turned off. You can get LEDs in a lot of interesting colors. It is worth looking at the colors and thinking how they will fit in with what you are doing.
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Ken. I do have a multitude of colours in my led collection. I just wanted to go through the absolute basics of leds as it can be quite intimidating when you start. I have some 1000 ohms in that pack, but running out. I know I can add lesser values in series to get up to the thousand, but I think I'll just buy a pack of 1k resitors to save the hassle. I appreciate all the info on your post, very helpful, thanks.
@sidetraxx779
@sidetraxx779 2 ай бұрын
When I test my micro LEDs or SMD LEDs I solder cut LED leads to the wires and use the tester. It takes time. I save the leads cut from used LEDs.
@geobrower3069
@geobrower3069 2 ай бұрын
Another good one Dave. Those strip lights LEDs and resistor are what we call SMT (surface mount technology). Not sure if you're using an actual bridge rectifier (as we haven't seen the next episode yet) but you can build one from four 1N4001 rectifiers. There is a 700mv (.7 volt) drop across any silicone rectifier. In standard resistors (144 between 1ohm and 1 meg ohm) you have three between 680 ohm and 1K including an 820 ohm. In this case a 1K resistor works fine. Cheers
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info, much appreciated.
@AJB2K3
@AJB2K3 2 ай бұрын
@@ScottRails Technically LEDs don't need additional rectifiers diodes as they can only conduct one way. They are both call diodes for a reason
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
@@AJB2K3 I understand that, but I will be using capacitors, witch need a positive and negative.
@AJB2K3
@AJB2K3 2 ай бұрын
@@ScottRails only electrolytic capacitors need a dedicated positive and negative and even then there are exceptions to the rule.
@peterwebster3076
@peterwebster3076 2 ай бұрын
Ma refers to the current rating higher the ma more current flowing
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Peter, very helpful.
@aaronl_trains_and_planes
@aaronl_trains_and_planes 2 ай бұрын
I popped an LED the other day. I was testing to see which was positive and negative on the rear LED on a new KCS SD70ACe because I’m putting in a sound decoder. I had 3 resistors sitting there to check the light, and what did I do? I hooked it up strait to my tester, without the resistor and blew the damn thing. Dug out the light and board it was on and now I'm retrofitting another micro LED in it's place, with a resistor.
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
haha, I would never do that ;-)
@colinframe7095
@colinframe7095 2 ай бұрын
LED’s are current controlled devices, the higher the current the brighter the light. Given a particular voltage choose a resister so that you get the current you want, typically 10-20mA, using Ohms law V=IR. So for 18V supply, for 20mA you need 18/0.02 = 900 Ohms
@jamesemerson3414
@jamesemerson3414 2 ай бұрын
That is correct. E-Electromotive Force measured in Volts is equal to I- Intensity measured in Amps multiplied by R-Resistance measured in Ohms. E = I x R. So long as you don't exceed the amp rating of the LED, you should be good. I usually keep the amps lower than the max.
@kiwibjg
@kiwibjg 2 ай бұрын
@@jamesemerson3414the calculation is incorrect. You subtract the LED voltage from the supply voltage and THEN you apply ohms law to that number to get the resistor value. So for an LED rated at 2V and a forward current of 20mA, it is 18-16/0.02 = 800ohms. Nearest preferred value is 820ohms. If you want your LED dimmer then use a smaller forward current value which will give you a larger value resistor. Cheers Brendon
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 2 ай бұрын
@@kiwibjg Yes, and also: If you have 12V power, it is OK to run 2 LEDs in series to save some wiring. You just have to remember that the voltage on the resistor will be something like 18V-2V-2V=14V This can be good for putting two lights in a house to get more uniform light
@jas5267
@jas5267 2 ай бұрын
Any suggestions on where would one get a 68-ohmn resistor? I need to replace one for a model train transformer.
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
The pack I have, has a 66, then it goes up to a 75. You could add a couple of 1 ohm resistors to the 66 if it needs to be exact. I got mine of Amazon pretty cheap.
@peterwebster3076
@peterwebster3076 2 ай бұрын
EBay or Amazon cheap resistors
@richardb6633
@richardb6633 2 ай бұрын
Digikey, mouser, you'll also find that there, note that, as it is a low resistor value, it may have great heat to dissipate depending where it is in the circuit and this may be very important, if you don't have the schematic, it's size may reflect the power value (in Watt) of this resistor. 68 ohm is a standard value and easy to find.
@JumbleLane
@JumbleLane 2 ай бұрын
Fortunately you chose a value of resistor that would limit the current flowing through the LED in order it did not blow. Unfortunately your theory was totally wrong. The 5mm LED would have a forward voltage of around 2-2.5 volts and a current flowing through it would be 20mA. If you were connecting to a 12 volt supply then you need to have a voltage drop of 9.5-10 volts across the resistor. To work out the resistance you would use the equation R=V/I (Ohms Law) which in this case R = 10/0.02 therefore R=500. Typically this would be a 470ohm resistor but you could use the next typical value up which would be a 680 ohm. Resistors come in 'Typical values' not all values are available.
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
Hey, it was, as you said, just a theory, lol. And it didn't blow, sooooo.
@AJB2K3
@AJB2K3 2 ай бұрын
Its not a bulb it's an LED. Bulbs get planted in the garden.
@ScottRails
@ScottRails 2 ай бұрын
You must be a riot at parties.
@AJB2K3
@AJB2K3 2 ай бұрын
@@ScottRails I wouldn't know I'm allergic to humans so I avoid them. But as an electrician and electronics engineer we had this fact drummed into us.
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