Thank you!

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I had no idea Nick Mullen had this type of archery knowledge

Beautifully done❤🎉

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Wololo mine now

​@@ThatFoolishBoyresearched heresy so they die instead.

Unless you're Tatars then it's free

Nice aoe refrence

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Yes because nobody ever used Mediterranean draw / Western archery for those things....🤡😂 i think your logic has some holes here😂

@@thepsychedeliccartographer5765 maybe i'm wrong, but i think you might have misunderstood what he was saying. he was pretty much just saying that there'll always people those people rushing in to say "nuh uh, that's not how you do that, that's bad form, he's wrong" or other similar things. he's not saying that there aren't other ways of doing it

Meh hand combat has come a long way so why not archery?

@@ld1065lost knowledge lookup Lars Anderson

@@thepsychedeliccartographer5765 he never said Mediterranean style was wrong. What he saying is, there are many styles of drawing a bow, and thumb ring is not a wrong method of drawing.

No string, no limits

made me laugh, thanks!

The superior arrow, just can’t be reused

And .50 Bmg for maximum damage

more like a compound bow that costs $3000 with a mechanical trigger release

Oh shit that's cool! Didn't even put that together while watching the video!

aoe is so good for learning historical technologies. I always have a blast researching the Unique civ techs on google.

funny i just searched and found that romans and west european civs like franks and britons dont have access to thumb ring.

The name of that thumb ring is "zihgir"

⁠@@ziyad6608🤦🏻one of many names

Ah, have you never heard of the great horse-archer hordes of the Canadian steppe?

It's all the red, but the Huns were predominantly Hungarian-European, so Atilla probably looked more like a modern Hungarian man than to a Mongolian like most people seem to assume, though they were an offshoot of Asian-European tribes that intermingled in the steppes, so there was a mix.

@@jollygrapefruit786 Hungarians are not actually related to the Huns

@@cthulhuman6162 Well no that's not why they're called the Huns but Atilla was born in Hungary.

@@jollygrapefruit786 I didn’t say anything about the etymology of the word Hun, so idk why you’re talking about that. Atilla was not born in Hungary, he was originally from somewhere around what is now Russia before his invasions westward, but he did make his main camp in the Pannonian basin where Hungary now is. The ethnicity of the Huns is uncertain but they were most likely related to Turks or Scythians, or possibly a multi-ethnic confederation consisting of tribes from both groups. The Magyars (ancestors of the Hungarians who first migrated to Europe) claimed descent from the Huns due to their fame, as did many other steppe peoples, but there is no reason to believe they actually were related. As for how Atilla would’ve looked, contemporary Roman accounts describe him as being short, flat-nosed tan-skinned, and having “small eyes”, which likely suggests a more Asian appearance. Tldr know what you’re talking about before posting

How much does it cost?

​@@MasterArkannor300 food 250 wood Pretty hefty in early castle when you want to make tc, villagers, and farms so almost nobody research it immediately. Which is why Tatars who got it for free can afford to be very agressive while still building their economy.

turkish people were the first ones to use bows on a horse

he's not mongolian

@@dustinchenbut the technique is, look at the full video.

Seems useless to shoot that way, I don't care if they are on a horse or not

@@Boatsandhoes44u8 Genghis Khan's armies killed millions of people and took over half the world shooting like that, so I assume it works pretty well

Samurai were also primarily horseback archers (They actually very rarely engaged in large melee formations), variations of this technique are just nature when shooting from the horseback

@@randomdude4136 well early samurai started as horse archers. As the years went on they became competent foot soldiers as well Highly versed in spear and naginata combat.

Actually the samurais learned from the ainu tribe warfare.

Japanese and Samurai are so damn cool man. They are probably related to Central asian people such as Turks, Mongolians way way back

@@Kaan_is_myname97 Actual the japanese archery learned from the Ainu tribe long time ago.

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Hell yeah, dude

I cant unsee it

Art shows that they did both. It was personal preference.

Depends on what you understand from Mediterranean. Here it means Turkic.

​@@dogrudiyosunIt doesn't mean Turkic at all. He's referring to those of the Mediterranean. As in the Greeks, Roman's etc. The Turks never used the 3 finger draw.

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It does I’ve noticed that too

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No. Historically, they put the arrow on either side.

@@Likexner You can see it in Medieval paintings, both recreated and original, that the arrows cross over the right side of the bow. It even makes more sense just from a logical standpoint, putting the arrow on the right side of the bow requires the archer to use both eyes to assess his target, which would have given archers a greater sense for depth, especially in closer combat. In Medieval warfare this was done since archers were generally much closer to the infantry than you'd think, they couldn't feasibly use modern standards for stationary archery since they were actively a part of the battle and stationary archery is just too slow and inflexible for that level of combat. Bringing that point home, we know that Medieval archers would often keep spare arrows in their bow hand, grabbing them with their free hand and rapidly firing them, which is most comfortable to do when the arrow is knocked on the right of the bow. Even with Mongols, it's reasonable to extrapolate that they did the same thing since they heavily used mounted archers, and like the video says, you can't easily stabilize a bow on the left side when on a horse. It's generally reasonable to assume that slinging the arrow on the left side of the bow is a modern creation since it almost entirely relies on sporting conditions.

@@BrotherCarver There are paintings that depict archers putting the arrow on either side.

@@Likexner Oh, yeah I misread your comment. I meant that humans generally favored knocking the bow from the right historically, not that they only did that for the entirety of history until the modern day. Assuming I meant that knocking exclusively on the right of the bow was historically accurate is a little bit silly.

​@@BrotherCarverI've also seen traditional African hunting tribes have it predominantly on the left. And as they've been doing it for who knows how many generations, it's interesting that they do it that way. (The knuckle side I mean). A little extra perspective I suppose.

Sana hangi öküz tarih öğretti, merak ettim. Bu ok ve at üstünde geriye ok atmak tamamen bir Türk işidir. Bunun için koşum takımlarının icadı gerekir ki bunu da iranlılardan çok önceleri Türkler icat etmiş ve kullanmıştır.

Makes sense now why Britons don't have thumbring. Not sure about some other civs though.

Yeah I suppose so

Quiver placement seems like could make a difference in what may be easier /faster for each person. Some1 may be able to place arrow on either side of bow but may have quiver in bad spot to acc easily

So, thumb grip/ right of bow launch position: the string compresses the arrow at the nock, arrow bends around the bow as it launches, arrow thus clears the bow and flies oscillating wave form, mid shaft, tip and tail with two node points about 1/20 of the arrow shaft length in from tip and tail; faster, more kinetic energy because thumb grip pulls string further than fingertips, it's ~ 3-4" more bowflex potential energy

@@mikado728 That's not a thing. I'm an expert archer.

@@TripleTapHK LOL ! Legend in your own mind; try it, you'll like it. Don't let your arrogant self-righteousness scuttle your learning. Still laughing at you.

Well if you did it by yourself without any external influence, you technicaly did :D

It will hurt at first. Do a light bow first.

kzfaq.infocZ2SgxMep14?feature=share Same technique pretty much

click on the original video link in the description!

Is it the same principles as Khatra or a different intention altogether? I do the Korean style so it has similar principles to nomadic archery.

There are ways to make composite bows water-resistant.

That’s called a spear

there's apparently a thing called plumbata, war darts

There is also the Swiss Arrow but it needs a string that wraps around the shaft and tied to its notch. It has the same setup as the amentum used on javelins, they are throwing aid that allows it to act like a sling

I've also been known to outshoot people with their own bow just by taking the bow and flipping it upside down so that I can shoot it in my left😂

Just. Hit. What you aiming at. And that Archery

You realize real archers can tell you have no idea what you are talking about right?

@@TripleTapHK that means that you're not a lefty and you've never gone to the struggles that I do. Try shooting right-handed equipment as a left-handed individual. I have taught myself to be ambidextrous but there's certain things you have to do if you're going to shoot someone someone else's equipment upside down because you can't change anything. I became very proficient at it. I'm just as accurate as a right-handed person with a right-handed bow even though I'm shooting holding my left hand and the bow is flipped upside down. Because of this I can't use the arrow rest, I have to use my finger. Don't dare say that people who shoot are going to say I don't because I've been shooting for over 30 years. I have dropped hogs and deer with my bow. I am proficient enough to make a heart shot. What have you killed with your archery equipment? My lethality is there. I've also cleaned everything that I've ever killed and had to clean game for other friends who have never done it before so that they could learn. I literally grew up in the woods.

Whatever hits the target most often for them I suppose.

Thank you this method is just an easy bypass instead of practicing your technique

He’s not gonna fuck you

Especially since historical archers, like those on horseback had most of the time to fire rapidly

I shot competitive archery (bare bow, no sights as well) for years. Unless your using some special kind of arrows, the nock on the end of the arrow would not have enough grip to rotate with the string. Its just not that tight. In addition to that, whether your using a release aid or not, the string doesn't rotate to one side or another when you draw. You're pulling it straight back, not back and rotating in.

I cant imagine a time, when riding on horseback, that shooting fast wouldnt be the priority

Real archers are well aware of eastern styles of archery. It's the general public who has no clue about this kind of stuff.

Some did. Not most.

There is no cut and dry answer on that. There were many different ways to shoot.

Called zihgir, the thumb ring

Man my dad made me bows out of sticks and strings and then carve the arrows with 4 fins and I would always lose them because he would have me aim at blackberry bushes and then we wouldn’t go get them 🥲 good memories

when I revered the arrow side, it'd kick my shots 2 feet right at 20 yards. unless I did my draw hand upside down, which didn't feel right. I was shooting with bare fingers.

this, there are tons of medieval drawings showing archers using the right side

​@@andrzejgolota6642 Plenty with the opposite as well. I'm guessing it wasn't really a standardized thing. I've actually seen paintings/tapestries where people are doing one or the other in the same picture.

Either side you put the arrow on, you are still shooting around the bow.

The Mongols never reached the “west”, they were cut down by knights since the Mongols were actually terribly bad fighters.

@@Judge_Magister I mean they got to poland, thats pretty far into eastern europe.

@@jackmcmorrow9397 historical Poland lay much further to the east into modern day Belarus, Ukraine and Russia. Modern day Poland was moved considerably to the west after ww2. Its territory consists around half of former German lands. The only European nation that truly suffered some time under the Mongol raids were the Russians but as you can see on a map today there is a good reason Russia extends so far to the east. Vladivostok the most eastward city in Russia literally means “rule the east” as in never again suffer attacks from those nomadic barbarians. Russia used to control much of Mongolia too the same goes for China they striped a large part of the territory of Mongolia as China too suffered much under the Mongols.

@@Judge_Magister I love how bitter you are about an extinct empire. You’re probably descended from one of them.

@@adamhatton7579 bitter about what? I was just stating some historical footnotes. I hail from the Netherlands from a family of farmers and traders so i doubt it. Anyone with a bit of historical knowledge can see the Mongols for what they are, a greedy, sadistic and destructive force who were terrible in building and maintaining an empire.

Can't blame him. Dry-firing a bow does a number on the limbs, and can, overtime, lead to catastrophic failure. Source? Personal experience. Wrecked the cam bearing on my compound bow when I accidentally dry-fired it. That was on me though for not checking on my equipment; caliper release didn't lock all the way so the loop slipped through. Lesson learned.

@@MaxxterDM my cousin had his compound pop on him. the nocks they gave him were too tight, so it chewed up the string. no noticeable damage, though, just a pair of what looked like vampire hamster marks where his wrist got tagged by something flailing.

@sterlinggecko3269 Ooh, ouch. I can only imagine how shocking it was when the string snapped. Glad to hear he got away with only a slap on the wrist.

And if it's a horn composite bow, it can outright explode for what that's worth.

Your index finger is pressuring the arrow to the handle and string of the bow in a perpendicular force. So while riding you might have the arrow move away from the handle slightly due to force but it would be very small and you'd likely have counterforce from your handle arm to minimise this further. With the Mediterranean draw you only have pressure on the arrow between the soft flesh of your two fingers on the string, so gravity is the only thing pressuring the arrow. If you shake any part of it the string becomes the fulcrum point of a lever-like movement. So you could pressure the arrow, but it would only keep it knocked since you can't really pressure the shaft -thus the tip still bounces around the string even if you use counterforce.

There are multiple different mounted archer techniques.

This is a regional/bow type thing. Compound and recurve don’t change much on horse back

It had variations, but it was probably common among steppe peoples. It's written that the Magyars shot like this in the 9. century. 300 years later, Mongolians arrive and do it the same way. Which is not surprising. Riding and archery were the main skills in these cultures, so they had extremely good technique developed.

Having the arrow on either side of the bow has literally zero affect on draw weight.

It’s not crap. The Mediterranean draw works perfectly for what’s its for, and if you know what you’re doing, you can knock the arrow on either side of the bow. Also, holding it horizontally will drastically shorten your draw length.

@@Specter_1125 I mean, to each their own, but when I try it, crap is the result. It just doesn't feel natural to me.

@@Specter_1125 If I were a man, I might agree. However, I feel like the female physiology is a lot more flexible when it comes to being able to twist to compensate, like in the case of mounted combat. I could be wrong, though. I just feel like it might not be as drastic with someone's who's more flexible.

Your arrows peel away from the bow because you aren't actually using a real thumb draw to pinch the arrow against your bow. You are just drawing your bow with your thumb which if it works for you it works, but it aint gonna work for horseback archery. Crap results with Mediterranean draw is 100% a skill issue.

@@LostNEggsAisle-tm5zr No my reason for griping is that American archery isn't a thing. The first nations all used bows, but they used them in the same manner as the Mongols (same grip and shorter bows). So calling it "American" is rather capricious. Furthermore, the bow was not universal in the Americas - the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc. of Meso America and South America largely continued to use darts, atlatls, and spears over bows because said weapons were more effective in the tight quarters of the dense rainforests in their respective territories.

Growing up in the US _is_ an L.

Yeah they where on a moving horse, completely different bow and style.

@@cam6202 Different from the Anglos yes but the American Indians of the Plains and West/South West were some of the finest horse archers in history and used a different release than either.

@@christopherfisher128 because they didn't get horses until after Europeans showed up, so they probably didn't just relearn everything from square one.

modern people might practice modern techniques or they are just far apart that their tribes has preference

@@patrickbueno3279 and ancient techniques and who used them aren't often recorded.

Shooting in general hurts and takes getting used to.

Might want to invest in a bracer if shooting a bow is causing you pain.

Has nothing to do with that. Mongolians even shot from the left side of the bow when on the ground. Shooting from the right with the thumb draw is primarily a horseback archery technique.

Yea natives, Like south America north America he didn’t specifically say what americas

he should be saying European not American

Whats crazy though is how dense their arm bones were from fracturing all the time.

@@0Synergy I wasn’t aware of that, that’s insane

That's cause the natives where almost extinct

American Archery has since evolved to where we have given up on silly string pulling and now we just pull the F’n trigger. 😂

@@VXxTheSlashxXV Wow. I just realised thanks to you that I completely forgot about native americans for a moment (I French btw, don't judge me)

@@SuicideMike5150 LMAO

​@@VXxTheSlashxXV Yes, but also no. The natives were not americans. The land was not called america before the arrival of european settlers. 😉

It's funny that I actually learned the thumb draw first, in eastern archery classes. Trying to do it the mediterranean way was much more difficult for me.

@@Rafael_R I can understand that because learning to ditch old muscle memory habits is just hard in general but I feel like in comparison it would take you drastically less time to learn how to do archery proficiently with a Mediterranean draw than it would for me to be able to even become semi proficient with a Mongolian draw. Simply because it's just that different specifically the fact that you don't aim down the arrow with the Mongolian style and just go purely off of instinct and the grip on the string is just really awkward compared to the European grip because it's all in the thumb and forefinger which in its own benefit does make the release that much smoother but it just makes for one hell of a steep learning curve in comparison. Whereas once you're used to the 3 fingered European draw you've pretty much got it the rest is just putting reps in to get the muscle memory down and perfecting your form. Sure it's not gonna be easy to learn either form from the ground up but I know I'd much rather have learnt the Mongolian draw first myself.

Lol fr!

Indians had plenty of archery. I'm not sure what's so funny. 🤔

Indigenous Americans did plenty of archery before the firearms trade took over, and even then...

Another example of someone who doesn’t know history lmao

American arrows come in varying sizes. 9mm, 30-06, 50 BMG, etc...

The Europeans are the reason horses were in America

@@TVbasick Huh?

@@tommydashed4205 horses aren’t native to America dummy

​@@tommydashed4205 Yes. They are largely descended from horses that escaped Spanish captivity.

Yeah this guy is full of it lol. Just had to come up with an answer he didn’t actually know