To me, Rise is more of an experimental entry in the series, where they took the base of World's quality of life improvements and tried to see how crazier they can make the combat with elements and flavor from GU, and are using the feedback for the next main entry. The combat has intensified due to the amount of mobility wirebugs give you in contrast to the more stiff controls of previous games, resulting in the monsters needing more aggressiveness to compensate. Good video as always!

Switch Skills really are the best version of implementing the ‘Hunting Styles’ idea, really hope they keep them or something similar as a mainstay.

Always a nicer day when you drop a vid ^^ Good job putting together the thoughts that a good amount of us feel :) I love me some classic cheeseburgers myself.

Nothing like a new Herny video to improve your day

You make a great point Herny, they should bring back the magnet spike in the next title

Honestly i loved the Sling thing from World, i felt that it became a little too much when we got the Clutch Claw but i liked the way we could use it to interact it with our weapons and monsters so for me it was the best weve got so far...

MH is a series that I want to see switch it up with every entry, including going back to basics sometimes. Keeps the game fresh and gives each title its own identity.

Something that used to be really important in monster hunter, before we got all the counters and long s, was positioning. It is still something you gotta think about, but not as much as you used to back before generations.

"I feel like I'm managing cool downs and meters" This man is spittin'. I felt that

Great video, Herny. I think your point about cooldowns and meters taking focus away from the fundamentals at 7:30 speaks home to me the most. It became especially apparent with the wirebug cooldowns on screen that I feel I spend way too much time staring at during hunts. It was present even back when we were staring at Absolute Readiness' gauge or wystone timers, but I think those games did a better (but not perfect) job of not taking away from the core combat.

As much as I've enjoyed Rise, I still feel the strongest about my time playing tri and 4u, and that I really miss how much less complicated and flashy it was

The one-upping progression you mentioned reminds me of how Elden Ring feels when compared to the Souls series. In Souls, bosses have properly telegraphed, deliberate movements that look and feel natural. Souls fights (usually) feel fair, and if you die it was because you came unprepared or simply need to learn the fight. In Elden Ring, most bosses have some crazy bullshit move or mechanic that encourages or forces the player to basically cheat in order to win. If you run up against a wall, chances are you just don't have the right gear to beat the boss and no amount of practice is going to help you. I'm not saying Monster Hunter is like that yet, but the fact that the more classical play styles are slowly becoming outright unusable in high-level hunts might be an indicator on which direction the series is headed. I really hope MH6 doesn't go the Elden Ring route...

the silly man finally returns

mhgu had a good balance of this imo, there was complexity but you also had the option to use the simple basic styles we all know without being punished for it.

Yo the piano, your voice, and the general vibe this video is really cool and chill. Also the transitions and editing are top-tier

I feel like MH4U is kind of the golden standard of Monster Hunter. And I think vibes are a bigger part of the game than a lot of people might realize.

You say what I've felt for a long time. My biggest problem with the series currently is the fact that my hunter is literally a god amongst men. Nothing could stop him with all his skills, abilities, infinite items, and two batshit crazy AI companions (which makes online hunts 8vs1 in the worst case). I go into almost every quest with the mindset, "yep, I'm about to fuck shit up, cuz I'm unstoppable." Don't get me wrong, it can be fun at times to just wreck everything in your path, but there is nothing that I miss more than being genuinely scared of a monster encounter. Back when the monster was way stronger than my measly human in every aspect. Brute forcing my way through a battle was tough, so strategy, game knowledge, preparation, and solid execution were all major parts necessary for a completed quest. When standing in front of a massive angry dinosaur 10 times my height, I dont want my only thoughts to be "okay big guy, do your one move so I can counter and then follow up with my wirebug move. Lets get this done quickly." I prefer to feel the weight of success or failure in every decision I make. I want to think, "How in the world am I gonna beat that thing?" And when you finally slay the monster after 30 minutes of hard fought battle, no more potions left, down to your last cart... there is no better feeling in gaming to me. Thats what I play Monster Hunter for. I do not want to be a super hero, I am not the chosen one destined to save the world. All I am is an ordinary man with a simple profession. I am a hunter; killing beasts is simply part of the job. And the job should be difficult yet fulfilling and leave me with a sense of pride. Thats my two cents about it.

I’ve always found each game’s monster+ system (apex, hyper, tempered, anomaly) to be rather…distasteful. Regardless of game, I always have the most fun with me, my weapon, and a vanilla monster. There’s a place for these higher systems, but man. They’re not the game, ya know. They’re just extra sauce. Feels like we’re getting drowned in sauce in the recent installments Edit: I should have watched the rest of the video first, now I feel like I just said what he said lol

This is something I've been thinking about when Iceborne first released regarding the clutch claw, (Side note: I actually like the CC and always did, this isn't about that) I felt that because of the CC monsters needed to be "souped up" to keep up with hunters or at least compensate for the power given to players via the CC, this also made me realize why Lunastra was the way she was in Base World, it was to compensate for the fact people were abusing mantles and flash pods, and then when Rajang was added to Iceborne I immediately recognized what was going on... My conclusion was (and still is) that since making a MH game that has Hunter styles/Wirebugs/Clutch Claw or else with an option to disable them isn't gonna work **Starts glaring intensely at GU's guild style** they should just separate the Flagship games for each generation (ie Tri, MH4, World...etc) from the Portable games (ie P3rd, MHGen, Rise) for said generations by making the former a bit more grounded with the "core MH experience" while the latter has all the over the top stuff that's designed to be adrenaline rush inducing and just pure fun.

"powercreeps" thats what i felt since the first year of Rise. monster hunter was about preparation, method of a hunts, and move prediction, rather than combos, counters, and cooldowns from what MHX/MHRise forced us to do. and you're right about monster is getting crazier, it's because the hunter had so many powerful move tools, and crazy damages that monsters need to be crazier to catch up. That is the definition of Power creeps. that's why I somewhat agrees if someone said, "Rise is just another Hack&slash game that pleasing power fantasy instead of realism that we loved back then" or "Rise will be dead if the power creeps continue."

Personally I have felt Rise/Sunbreak to be kinda shallow in general for a while now, and I could never really put my finger on why. But something you said in the video REALLY struck a chord. How like, you're always trying to land "that one move". I find myself always trying to land Bullet Barrage with Gunlance, or always trying to stick to the monster with Switch Axe, or always trying to land True Charge / Strong Arm Stance with Great Sword. Why? Because the game kinda enables you. In older games, it felt very satisfying to land these moves because they were hard to hit and there was a lot of risk to throwing them out. And getting away with it felt really good. But in Rise, your "Super moves" let's call them, are so easily accessible, not terribly hard to land, and with a few exceptions there isn't much risk to just throwing them out since a lot of our Super Moves don't have much end lag, and every weapon has a counter of some sort. EVEN IF you get hit, it's pretty easy to just disengage from the fight and heal very quickly and of course there isn't much risk in healing since you can run while doing so. Generations Ultimate is an example of good Super Moves, because even if you whiff it, or you use them at the wrong time ect, your punishment is that now you have to build the art back up, which can take some time and requires you to engage with the Monster, while in Rise you just have to wait for your wire bugs to come back which doesn't take that long. There's just a lot more variety in the moment to moment decisions you make and moves you use mid hunt as a result of the systems in place in the older games. To use your food analogy, Super Moves are like chocolate, really sweet so it tastes amazing, but too much of it and it starts to taste kinda gross, and maybe even give you diabetes. Sorry for the wall of text I've just really been trying to figure out why I don't really like Rise/Sunbreak that much and I think you finally helped me figure it out.

This is why I haven't had as much fun in Monster Hunter as I did when I first played MHGU after World (MHW is the first I played period) The simplicity of variety with hunter styles made it so damn fun.

new MH did the impossible for me, it made me not hate flying wyverns I'm very grateful for that

I love how self contained weapons are in the older games. You can do any move from its moveset or build any resources at any given moment in a hunt. Felt very tight

People hated mantles for cheesyness and yet wirebugs were always more op

I'm ok with ditching wirebugs, they just need to give us what the actual goal of the wirebug did without the hyper-action wall run spiderman super fly stuff. Just give the hunters a dedicated jump, no bells and whistles, nothing that turns every weapon into an insect glaive, just something to get you aerial and clear gaps. We don't need a grapple hook, and turbo dash, and ukemi on knockdown. Just a jump and allow the basic moveset for each weapon to have additions be incorporated into that.

I always worry about complaints like people not wanting wirebugs, because for me, wirebugs are way to broad of a concept. They are 1) movement tools to be used in and out of combat 2) A resource tied to a variety of different abilities, most of which are either highly damaging, or have i-frames/counters (+wirefall) As movement tools, I don't think wire bugs have a particularly big effect on the game. Being in the air is generally not particularly useful and you fall down quick enough, and its rare that horizontal wiredashing will be particularly more helpful than rolling or running. I have a far bigger issue with moves that have lots of I frames, hyperarmor or are counters. The main thing that set monster hunter apart from other games was how positioning worked, and how it lead to monsters feeling substantially different. Having easily accessible s and hyperarmor means that staying infront of the mosters face is not difficult, and in some cases encouraged far more than any other strategy, leading to both monsters feeling less unique, and the franchise feeling less unique. And the problem with complaining about wirebugs is that while wirebugs are very much tied with these mechanics, they aren't intrinsincly related, so removing wirebugs doesn't neccesarily solve the problems their existence brings. World is the game that introduced tackle and foresight-slash into the standard movesets of weapons, so rather than seeing rise an expreimental game, I feel like its the logical conclusion of where World was going, and I fully expect MH6 to still double down on having easy access to hyperarmor, i-frames, and counters. Overall, when people say they expect MH6 to be more like world, I still expect it to have the problems world began to introduce and rise inherited, so I kind of have little hope in ever enjoying the franchise as much as I liked the older games, even as someone who started with World.

Also an important point for me is the identity of the weapons and how it got lost over the MH games, as an example in the lance was always the primary "counter" weapon or let's say the one with the biggest and "best" selection of counters, or in some game like base tri, it was pretty much the only weapon with counters possiblitys, but with the time and with the universal tools hunters got, the lance got heavily left behind, today every weapon can counter like lance or today every weapon can KO a monster like hammer or today all weapons got the mobility of the IG, you get waht I mean. And for me the identity to my weapon and that only I can do that 1 thing the most efficient is really important, so I stopped playing MH games since rise cause I just don't feel validated to play a weapon like lance if some weapons do lance job way better than the originaly counter weapon

I think a cool mechanic to add instead of wire bugs could be a jump button. Keeps it simple and still opens more combat techniques.

I think the most frustrating aspect of silkbind moves for me is that they were already done well in GenU. Having to earn hunter arts by engaging with the normal combat mechanics worked perfectly fine, but having silkbind moves refresh off of time alone makes them way too spammable, especially since you can lower the cooldown with extremely easy to fit in armor skills. Hunter Arts felt like an added bit of flare to GenU's combat loop whereas at times it feels like silkbinds *are* the combat loop of Sunbreak, and if you aren't spamming them you're almost playing the game wrong. At the risk of sounding overly cynical sometimes Sunbreak almost feels like a MOBA where your ultimate is always off cooldown.

As a Lancer, I completely agree. I chose my weapon because it’s really cool standing tall against nukes while countering the medium hits, but now everyone can do that? I’m really tired of weapons losing their identity because Capcom doesn’t want anyone feeling left out. I don’t know if they haven’t realized or just don’t care, but adding these huge gimmicks to every weapon means only a few will really see use

Yeah sometimes I feel it has gone a little too crazy in terms of what comes up but there are some things that I do like like the speed carving. I have been playingTri on the 3DS again and it is been really slow but I love the monsters underwater

I'm happy the series is innovating and expanding, but I've found that the MH games that keep me engaged and satisfied the longest are the ones with the most limited movement and the simpler movesets where you're primarily using the same low- to mid-tier functional attacks instead of constantly spamming the heftiest and flashiest moves. It's weirdly more complex and feels more nuanced when there are less options, despite that sounding crazy

There's a couple of things that I've discussed with friends that both enjoy the game and others that don't. One is that preparation is virtually nonexistent in Rise - with things like Hot/Cold drinks being gone and the monster being immediately visible on the map. Restocking anytime means there is no tension with regards to bringing materials to safely clear a hunt. The other is similar to what you have detailed - that we as hunters have a bevy of tools to counter and lock down the monster now, so the response from the monsters is now a lot of one-shot potential moves and moves designed to catch wirefalling. The sense of danger has shifted from surviving the environment and the monster over a longer hunt, to playing in fear of a one-shot move (that you can usually counter in some way). It isn't necessarily a BAD thing, but it's certainly different. Rise for me is a lot less Monster Hunter, and a lot more straight up Monster Fighter, even though I still enjoy it.

I don't like that they removed mounting the monster when hitting an arial attack. Haven't played rise since I realized that lol

Too much extra sauce in the combat for sure. I would love to see the prep stuff deepened to make it feel more like a hunt.

I loved the olden tried and true monster turns twice 90 degrees and you slap it's head with greatsword/hammer. Don't think that's exactly gonna come back but hey it's something (You can still do it after some attacks but doesn't feel the same) The slowness of combat is also why I play the older games from time to time. My dopamine receptors had enough from the non stop spectacles.

We miss you...

I agree man. I miss when MH felt simple and not an ever-growing quilt of systems and optimizations to assemble

I miss the simpler weapon move sets of MH4U

For me, good monster hunter should feel like a dance, both side gets to lead a bit, never overwhelming the other (unless it's a 4 man TDS speed run). Now with all the new combat options, I'm just spamming wire bugs when it's off CD, then waiting for wire bugs when it's on CD. I'm no longer thinking about the monster-hunter dynamic, I'm only thinking about performing my moves as frequently as possible, with reckless abandon.

This beat SLAPS. Thought it was from Persona 5 until I saw you jamming the keys during the beat

Honestly, I feel like MH Generations did it right. Hunter Arts doesn't fill up automatically; the player must strike the beast in order to charge it. Hunter Arts is the payoff- but the biggest reward is that the player would learn that by anticipating monsters' attacks they can dodge and retaliate with one of their own, thus fill up their Hunter Arts more often. Funny enough, the Hunter Art system wasn't a special move button as it was perceived, but an art of making the player a better hunter...

Wonder how many times I'll rewatch this for the 7 months till the next vid

These are all valid. The main thing I have always considered is that Monster Hunter was almost always based on a concept of physics and had somewhat a physics-related animation set. Think of Souls tier weapons, they're huge and you can really feel the impact of it. That was always the game's forte. Right now, they're trying to speed up the pace of the hunt so exponentially that if it keeps up this way MH6 will have players completing objectives in 30 seconds. And "Landing X attack as much as you can" has basically become the routine DPS flow chart for everything except Bowguns. The main problem I have with this game is that I played through with my favorite weapon, Insect Glaive (or bugsticc), and truly just felt despised by the game devs. Not only was every other weapon given aerial mobility, every other weapon was also given _way more useful_ silkbind attacks than the *LITERAL WEAPON THAT DEALS WITH INSECTS.* The honest worst part about the entire thing is that bugsticc still has no counter moves and now almost _every other weapon_ has a form of counter move. Do you. Know. How frustrating. It is. To play IG. With Monster hitboxes. The way they are. Due to. The counter meta? I have never been so frustrated with the game, getting slapped by literal tail sweeps, on the ground, when i'm 10 feet above them. I always used the aerial attacks as openers, after recovering from a dodge because LoL all I can do is dodge. Only to get swatted out of the air by the enemy slapping the ground. There is also still blatant favoritism with the weapons and honestly that just shouldn't be a thing anymore. We SHOULD be past that point, but the developers took one look and saw LS at nearly 25% play percentage and said "We need to nerf Lance/Gunlance!" I love playing HBG to apply status effects quickly and have access to good firepower (sometimes Bow too) Y'know how they treat that? "Lets make melee builds better at status with Status Trigger." They basically gave melee weapons the ability to be the primary status-inducer by having them not worry about items or item availability and just having to *dodge.* Don't worry about me, I ""enjoy"" farming catalysts. Meanwhile the DB user with small paralysis is causing the monster to be stunlocked. I'm not mad, I'm furious. Everything I want to do is illegal apparently. The developers themselves clearly had weapon families they loved more than others and it 100% shows. I hope in MH6, item knowledge comes back because they keep shutting down item usefulness. I remember in 3U I could set a baited trap, exhaust the monster in one area, it would flee, eat the trap in a different location. We can't even get basic "nice things" like this.

"Bring back underwater combat" alright you've lost me again 😔

The thing about that evening out is that it can make things less fair. Theres a game I quite enjoy called Vermintide that has this problem. Its a game about attrition. You progress through a level and try not to make mistakes in combat. Every mistake costs you health. Health is replenished using resources you find during the level. If the rate you make mistakes exceeds the rate you progress to find health items, you lose. In Vermintide 2, they screwed this up by adding talents and abilities that significantly increase player power. Most notably, the ability to effectively heal yourself by fighting. This fundamentally breaks the core gameplay loop. You can't get slowly worn down by mounting mistakes and increasing tension when you go into every fight with effectively full hp. But despite this, I'd say Vermintide 2 is considerably harder than Vermintide 1. But its not as fair. In order to actually challenge a player who is effectively immune to the intended gameplay challenge of dwinding resources and increasing tension, they throw more stuff at you and make the core combat more difficult. This increases the challenge, but its a different kind of challenge and its a less fair challenge. In Vermintide 1, you generally see a loss coming. It comes at the end of rising tension as your supplies dwindle. You lose people on your team as they go down. It provides great moments where you can clutch a victory and losses feel fair. You never just turn the corner into a mountain of bullshit and wipe from full health. In Vermintide 2, you generally go into the fight that wipes you with full hp. In fact, your party might be on full hp only 30 seconds or so before a wipe. Theres no mounting tension as your health, supplies, and numbers dwindle, because thats not how the game challenges you any more. It challenges you by overwhelming you, not wearing you down. You lose the tension. The potential for clutch plays is still there, but much rarer, and much less fair. It's more like you outbullshitted the enemy. My point is to take this example from one game franchise and relate it back to monster hunter. People will argue with you about these bells and whistles by saying things like "you're still losing to Risen Valstrax". They will point to the difficulty level of the game as if it still being hard means its still the same as it used to be. But that just isn't the case. If a monster nuked the arena the moment you arrived it'd be hard, but it wouldn't be fair. And likewise, if the monsters have to be faster, more aggressive, have wider reach and extended attacks to counter the players increased offensive tools, then a simple hunter swinging a telephone pole sized sword is going to have a less fair fight. Thats not to say all extra tools are bad, but its to point out that by adding new tools, the old ones become less important. Making the monsters stronger to counter your new toys might make the fight the same difficulty, but that doesn't mean it'll be the same fight. EDIT: So I typed this up while half way through the video and you proceeded to say basically the exact same thing, so I guess I'm preaching to the choir on that one. Leaving it up anyway, but that's pretty funny.

The last video i watched on this channel was you talking about rajang in iceborne, and how they "kinda" changed him for the worse. Then, you've said you were experimenting with the idea of putting your original songs in the videos. And seeing today the product of that decision, you've really done the right thing! I agree with everything in this video (except the water combat part haha), but the most impressive is your evolution in music, and how it complements the video. You really did a great job and i hope you continue to do so.

that palico kinda...

The shortest and simplest way I would explain MHs direction is that its leaning much into an "Anime" aesthetic with flashy, weightless attacks and monsters that feel like punching bags rather then threats. I miss the more realisim/low fantasy orientated MH where hunters had to rely on positioning and attacks were much more deliberate and carried weight. Monsters were a product of their environments rather then having a theme like in SB. Speaking of SB, most of these issues with the series's identity seem to spark from rise and its place as a "portable" title which have always been soley combat orientated, and are the games that tend to experement with wacky mechanics such as wyvern riding and the wirebugs.

I think the key here is balancing, I don't think there's anything wrong with adding something to the player, and the monsters, but balancing how powerful those things are are the issue.

Monster Hunter World was perfect. It didn't need any significant changes, all it needed was... more of it. It was THAT good. They really nailed the formula for me in that game. The only thing I would take from MHR and take it into MHW are the dog palico (cause the idea was there in World but was implemented really poorly) and the new monsters.

Really glad to see you back with KZfaq content. You've made some of my favourite Monster Hunter stuff and I'd love to see more.

Having the opportunity to play the game in its simplest form and it’s still be a fun a interesting game is what we need, I played ice born without learning the clutch claw and it felt like I had to use the full 45 min hunt time almost every time, I was punished for simply playing the same way I played for years

The thing about this BS arms race, its that you are slowly and but surely becoming a flashy super hero. But at the same time mosters lose their mystique and no longer feel terrifying. (Yeah i know, kongalala exists, kutku exists... But you get my point)

XX/GU really was peak. They had the extras on the side but never stopped anyone from enjoying guild style and enjoy that simple style. It was like a little of A a little of B. Nothing felt too out of place and I while I really enjoy 4U simplicity, I still want some ways to vary our hunting styles from one another using the same weapon.

this man really hit us with the best take for a solid 10 minutes and 40 seconds. And then 10:40 happened 🤣

Adept style will always be peak monster hunter fun. Literally the only reason I lance lance in Rise/Sunbreak at all.

I totally agree, also I think that pickaxe, bug net and whetstone should be unlimited, but occupy slots in inventory, i loved the management we used to do back in the day, to actually prepare for a hunt, also bring back paint bombs and remove the capture icon, paying attention to the monster should be necessary, at this point the limping animation is just useless in rise...

A lot of games have been going through similar; granted it's not within the same genre, but Josh Strife Hayes made many videos on feature creep: i.e: Stuff is added on top of original stuff that overshadows previous stuff and then taken out once the next game/iteration/version/expansion comes along and _adds new stuff on top of old stuff that overshadows previous stuff_ etc..

I really feel like monster hunter is slowly becoming monster slayer. The difference seems small from far away but the feel is just different.

For me a lot of the skill in the old games came from positioning and knowing the weaknesses, when you can attack and what moves you should lay low. Beginning with worlds temporal and LS counter it became a different game loop. Rise just lets you dodge anything and fly in the air.

This is 100% how I felt going from World as my first MH into Rise, while I like the 'idea' of having more options with wirebugs, silkbinds, and switch skills, it really just felt like too much. I much prefer the simpler style of base MH World's combat, where it was about knowing the monster and knowing your own abilities and limitations, rather than trying to manage cooldowns and constantly using over the top moves. I totally get that the latter may be some people's jam, and more power to them, but I'd rather stick with the straightforward combat.

I love the complexity of this one, thats why I love charge blade too

I think I have a pretty good idea of where you're coming from. There's all this new and fun stuff you can do but some days you just want to go back to the basic core gameplay but they don't quite feel viable enough in the new games. I'm more or less in the middle here. I love the core gameplay of monster hunter but I do need some ways to change things up between entries or I start to feel like I'm stagnating. And I can only switch weapons so many times if they don't add more weapons.

I spoke about this sort of thing about 2 years ago before Rise even released. You have no idea how nice it is to hear similar thoughts about the games design from someone like you :D

Rise is my favourite entry in the series - and the one I want to have the LEAST influence in future installments

One thing I do really really agree with the video is why do all weapons have counters, it makes certain weapons lose its uniqueness.

I think it's the sense of "dilution", rather than the focus on the dance of hunter, weapon and monster

Hate how everything glows in this mfing game

Games getting simpler or retreading the already beaten paths probably won't sit well with Capcom and players as well. Getting Pokemon syndrome ("This just feels like Pokemon Red version again") isn't good especially if we can expect yet another price tag to get in. Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War had a similar instance where people complained it wasn't new enough with the asset flips and reused animations among other things. God of War and God of War Ragnarok also had similar sentiments where people generally felt it could have just been a relatively expensive, large DLC instead of a new, full price game. It could have just been like a Xenoblade Chronicles 2 + Torna Golden Country. Probably a good comparison for MHR is Street Fighter, as well as both being from Capcom. That series can kind of be called "Gimmick Fighter". Other fighting games tend to improve on the last a little bit with a slightly new system addition and slap a new title number. SF always has something very new per installment, and now SF6 is basically slapping on everything 5 had all at once with yet more additions which feels like the sentiment for MHR here. If one installment just reverted back, people would complain why it has to be a new game with a new price tag for old ideas.

hey brother, just hoping you're taking a break and nothing bad has happened, Loving the content, and Looking forward to your new videos!

I feel like MHGU had the best balance between Standart traditional MH Style and Flashy combat style. And the best thing about it is that both of these „styles“ are effective when played correctly. MHGU is imo one of the most successful MH Games ever.

I miss Herny :(

0:46 you can fix the frostcraft bar not scaling with the UI scaler mod by going in to the mod's lua file(reframework/autorun/UI_Scaler/UI_Sclaer_Element_Setup.lua) and adding "["snow.gui.GuiHud_frost"] = {}," under the GuiHud_Sharpness line. literally just fixed that myself before seeing this video in my sub box lol

“But also, bring back underwater combat” Me and my thalassophobia: _Please don’t_

Monster Hunter was always damn impressive for how much bang it gave you for your buck, technically speaking. It barely ever released on the most impressive systems, but always managed to create something damn impressive within those limitations. Now that theyre gone, the magic just isnt there anymore. None of the moment to moment things feel emphazised, because they arent. The emphasis is on special moves and oneshots and counter attacks, and Monster Hunter wasnt about that, it was about simplicity executed to damn near perfection. World was probably the best Monster Hunter were ever going to get. It was THE chance for the team to prove what they could do, and they still had limits in place before the big main stream market success, allowing them to operate with new tools, but staying in their comfort zone, and it already had issues handling these new options (looking at hardware issues specifically). Honestly, Id appreciate a faithful remake of MFU2, maybe 3rd. Just to remind everyone that weapons had a clearer identity back in the day. Good vid

Really hoping they keep switch skills but also very much believe they need to add new weapons. It's almost been an entire decade since new weapons were added to the main series. Playing Wild Hearts, faults aside, really made me realize just how badly I've been wanting a new weapon in the franchise.

It's def true that each subsequent title has increased the complexity of combat, and so it moves further away from that og MH. But i dont think that's a bad thing, the alternative is they don't change and we get the same oldgen MH formula just with more monsters and gear. I would rather it get crazier before it gets too dull

"And also, bring back underwater combat." Yes and please. We no longer have consoles that do not have two sticks for us to make use of combat in that capacity. Also chill vibes as always. Always a treat.

For me, the excessive amount of skill and skill tiers in any armor set devalues how they feel. I wish we could go back pre-world armor sets.

This need for a more grounded MH has been heard across from several OG members of the community for some time. I still watch Jakob's video on Dos from tine to time, it seems to really encapsulates this feeling as well I think Capcom might be listening, let's hope MH6 brings this move away from DPS bosses and more of a hunting game

Glad someone else appreciates underwater combat. Maybe it's because Tri was my first MH game, but I loved diving in and finding the beasts below the waves. Lagiacrus feels a lot more intimidating when you're on its home field.

What I find really interesting is that I agree with basically everything you said here, but don't have a problem with it. Going with the food analogy, I absolutely get where you are coming from but it works just as well on reverse too. I can appreciate simplicity, but tend to gravitate towards and enjoy complexity more. Both in games and in food lol. What I really like about Rise in particular is that it feels like there is always something I could be *better* at. I'm a sucker for that. Then regarding the "I use my bullshit move" "no, I use MY bullshit move!" part, there's a lot of truth to that, and I feel like it should be expected because that's honestly a pretty perfect summary of how combat has evolved throughout history, from the animal kingdom to modern warfare. There's a never ending search for something even more broken and bullshit than the last thing, and as soon as someone has it someone else is working on something even more broken. On a macro time scale that's evolution, on a micro time scale that's the Americans and Soviets spending 40 years seeing who could make the biggest, most precise, and easiest to deliver nuclear weapons.

"Bring back underwater combat" The man is a prophet and should be listened to!

This was so on point I really miss the feeling of playing Monster Hunter when I didn't have so easy access to internet in the psp and Wii Everything was so amazing and going to hunt felt like going to the wild out of the safe zone of the village It was scary what monster could be also in the map It really felt like hunting in a world where I didn't was the protagonist, the monsters where the protagonist and I loved that

One small and totally unrelated thing I found to be a detrimental change was the way hubs have been phased out in favor of quick join either through join requests in Rise or the SOS flare in World. To me, the idea of hunters all dropping their weapons at the door to chow down and decompress together after a hunt is core to the franchise’s identity. The online experience feels lonely and impersonal now.

A big part of old school monster Hunter for me is about hitting a wall and trying to get past it. It’s why I’ve been enjoying frontier so much. New world mh is more about feeling powerful talking these large monsters down and running circles around them effortlessly. Prior you needed a lot of knowledge on the monster to do that type of thing.(-flash bomb cheeses) Modern monster Hunter is all stacked in the hunters favour now. Why is all endemic life beneficial to us we haven’t lived and evolved in these lands the monsters have. It should be a David vs Goliath type game and it still can be but we can’t deny how the majority of mh now is verry accessible. And if you think that it’s just easy cos good mh2dos kicked my ass my first time through last year. That game really changed my perspective and made me quite sad for what the franchise has developed into. The old games were simple but all about pre-emptive positioning that added a lot of depth due to long recovery frames and generally high commitment attacks. The atmosphere and consistent art style have all changed and i guess I just miss it.

We've already seen the logical endpoint of this kind of design in Frontier, and part of that makes sense - some Frontier designers worked on Rise and their predilections were made apparent. I wouldn't be opposed to the Portable team just fully committing to this vision of the series as long as the main titles pull it back in.

This is exactly what I've been saying to my friends. Been playing through the older games and there was something great about how simple everything was

100% with you on that one, Sunbreak is great at what it tries to do, but I miss the simplicity of older titles. welcome back, can't wait for more videos coming from you, always very fun to watch!

Completely agree. Also bring old hunting horn back

I mean... I've met players online who just hit monsters and do "the dance". Which I still do too, and not rely on the wirebug stuff too much. But even if a new mechanic is introduced and meant to not be the focus of the new game, you know how speedrunners be. And then someone might go on youtube and find some insane hunt time on a monster and then try to replicate that and their mindset is now all about fast kill time. Then we'd be here again. Nothing against speedrunners, just giving a possibility for argument sake. I feel you but just like new summoning mechanic in YuGiOh or Pokemon mega evolving, getting big or whatever, new mechanics will always result in some type of labbing and then abusing. After all they gotta create something fresh for the veterans and invite new hunters in.

I think the issue is the teams over at Capcom aren't considering Power Creep as much as they used to before the popularity of World. Ever since World exploded you can see they just add in tons of power creep to keep people interested in the franchise. We can see that with Icebourne and then Rise. Hopefully they don't continue pushing the boundaries as hard as they have. It makes the game more of an unga bunga shit showfest instead of a serious dance with the monsters you are fighting.

I love how fluid rise is but enjoy how simple mhgu combat is if that makes sense. Simple, repetitive, fluid, fun is all I want.

I can't go back to older gens,but I also miss simpler days of learning monster movement to fish for headsnipes. The current era of guard countering and using ultimate moves makes fights less interesting

KZfaq decided not to show me this until now, but I agree with you completely Herny. Every time I play Rise or World I feel like there's no stakes to anything and I get bored really quickly, but I started replaying Tri on Dolphin a little while back and I was so in the moment for all the hunts and exploration. My character was so limited in what they can do, and the atmosphere is, in my opinion, much stronger when the monsters are stronger than you are. Why am I gonna be scared of a monster when I can put on my everything-proof mantle or launch myself halfway across the map immediately? As you say, the moves the monsters use have gotten much more annoying to compensate for the insane increase in power for the hunter, and I personally really don't enjoy playing against the dumb moves monsters have now - in Iceborne when I saw them letting Zinogre and Rajang bounce out of staggers I knew it had gone too far. They break basic rules of MH in kind of unprepared ways and it doesn't sit right with me. Gypceros playing dead was cool because it was part of his character as a monster and he would have sucked even harder without it. Rajang and Zinogre randomly deciding to not be staggered that time just felt arbitrary. This is a very specific example, but across the cast the moves got sillier and I just don't want it to always be that way. If we don't get a more stripped back MH soon I think I'm gonna be done with the series, and that's really sad to say when I've been so into the series since discovering it in 2010. I just don't want it to be anime simulator.

It's always great to see you upload :) I feel the same way, and I wonder if the pressure to 'bring something new' to justify each new release means we'll keep seeing the problem in some way or another. Imo they could get around it by keeping things traditional and introducing some new weapons , or bring back underwater combat

As someone who has grown up with monster hunter since I was 10 my first game was Gen on the 3ds and I have now played every single game (4U is my favorite with many months of gameplay on it and sunbreak being my 2nd Favorite). I always loved the new gimmicks brought in the games except for the clutch claw. The wire bugs I like and hope to have some sort of form of them in the future is because of how they opened up the maps so much. There is so much more to jump around and explore instead of the climb up this rope/vine and get to this area faster via this rope/vine. I feel like they make the game a lot more streamlined and fun to move around and explore. I never tried to find secret areas in older games cause it was slow and boring while in sunbreak I feel like I know every part of the map so well. I agree that they can be very in your face with the skills and stuff but I hope maybe they tone it down and make a simpler version of them.

Welcome back! I always loved your music compositions. Hoping to see more uploads in the near future