Just take one more club?

Fascinating stuff AJ. I always anecdotally thought 1° or 2° was about max what you’d ever want, and good to see that confirmed with real testing.

Awesome video! Thanks!

Very interesting couple of videos. BTW, that's a great repeatable swing you have. I put golf on the back shelf for about 7-8 years, until this year. As always, when I return to the fold, I look forward to the latest design/marketing "thing" in clubs. I usually get a good chuckle. This time there were a couple of new "things" in irons. 1) 20 years after the excess coefficient of restitution (COR) was smacked down by the R&A and USGA in drivers, OEMs finally came up with the metals and hollow designs to put some COR in irons. Increase in ballspeed and real science. Good stuff. 2) They cranked down the lofts. IMHO, this is voodoo marketing. I have 2 sets of clubs I use. Eternally compliant Ping Eye 2s to start the season and a set of Maltby forged cavity backs for the rest of the season. The 7 irons are 36* and 35* respectively. So when I saw new 7 irons at 28-29*, I needed to look into it. Available for torture-test happened to be the Mizuno JPX923 Hot Metal Pro (7i=28.5*) and JPX923 Hot metal HL(7i=31*). Don't get me wrong, these are both capable clubs. The High Launch garners me about a club and half ballspeed/efficiency/distance (compared to my sticks). But here are my rhetorical questions... 1)Why would anyone intentionally want to send the ball towards the pin on a lower flight with less spin? (note: the Pro 7i did award an extra 1/2 club or so, in total carry and roll). 2)For decades the 6i was the iron used for fitting. I am told the vast majority of clubfitters now use a 7i. Is that because with a 28* 7i, the fitter doesn't want the fittee to know he may not be able to get up his 6i, 5i, or 4i with draconian lofts? Here come the 7 and 9 woods back.;) It's all in fun and I hate to admit it, but I'd rather the HL over the Pro. It also further peaks my interest in the Takomo 201 (7i=32*). Thanks again for a couple of interesting videos on this loft stuff.

I’ve had clubs bent to get better gapping, but we’ve all got to get over the numbers on the clubs. If you can’t get it close to the hole, it doesn’t matter if the club says 7, 8, or 9. Loft is your friend.

I prefer weak loft's, I want higher flight with more spin to stop quicker on the greens.if I need more distance,I simply add a club.

Surely having higher lofts might make an iron easier to hit same as with a driver. In terms of easy to hitting club is the 24 degree 38 inch rule as described by Tom Wishon.

I play an old wilson set of irons from the late 70s. I have no problem with hitting my 8-iron from 100-110 yards out while I would have played the PW from my modern set at the same distance as both have identical lofts. If it means swinging easy and getting up and down, I can hang my ego up.

I think you should try this off a tee as well. I think you would see a difference in ball speed and distance with the 4 degree drop. I think the bounce is to low when dropped 4 degrees. You should always see a gain in ball speed with less loft. If you see a gain with the ball teed up you'll know why 4 degrees doesn't do better than 2 degrees strong.

Love the new Channel ...;-)

great video, thanks.

Fantastic video thank you

I just get my yardages for each club and play the distance needed. I do the very same for my vintage irons.

My question/concern is: will this affect/change the lie angle inadvertently? Or will I then need to pay for de-loftting the iron and the lie angle together just to be sure? Or should the club repair technician make sure the lie angle stays the same included in the cost of the club de-loft?

Good content, it makes total sense. The only thing I feel was missing was dispersions. Changing the lofts change distance but what are the difference in dispersion? Btw, nice swing.

I really like it when you get into "geek mode" and that's not a "slight"! Everyone wants to "credit" technology when sometimes it's purely "manipulation". When tv commentators swoon over almost 200 yd 9 irons I just roll my eyes! Weekend warriors can't buy what pros use off-the-rack and lack the skill to use them if they could.

Delofting adds offset??? Did I hear that correctly? I thought that delofting (making the irons stronger) would takeaway offset....

Can you do a video showing performance vs bounce making irons 2-3 degrees weaker? That would be sweet

I'm curious how much flattening the lie angle really affects the ball flight. I read Hogan played 6 degree flat clubs. I know it does open up the clubface more and more but a comparison video like this would be great.

Yes 2degree flat. I'm very happy with a 36 degree 7 iron.

Would I be able to successfully bend the Original Ping Eyes? I learned in Karsten 1s and these are nearly identical, but id like a bit more distance

How did the 9 iron bent to 38 degrees compare to the actual 8 iron with the same loft?

Appreciate this video! I have MP20 MMC's and I've been considering having the PW and 9 bent stronger since the gaps between 8-9-PW are 5 degrees each. I'd probably go 1 degree stronger in the 9 and 2 degrees stronger in the PW. This gives me the boost I needed to go to the local golf shop and at least test it! One question for you...if I have the golf shop bend them stronger but I don't end up liking the result, is it ok to bend them back to standard? I've been told by golf shops that going back the other way significantly compromises the structural integrity. Thanks for your time and efforts!

Hey! Great Content!! Any chance you can make (same approach) a video about cutting length for long irons? Have a regular 5 or 4 iron.. get data, then cut it to 37 or 36.. get data? Not the regular one-length approach (which factors the length).. just cutting what we have by default (standard length). Thanks!

I have an old mph4 mizuno 3 iron. I’d be curious on the impact of bending up to 4 degrees weaker to allow for a better gap between my 225 hybrid and my first iron. ~110 driver ss. Would too much bounce come into play? Especially with a fat soled driving iron?

What is the downside of going stronger 2 degrees. I would guess that most amateur would benefit from more carry yards? Did you impact location change with 2 degrees strong?

Interesting about the offset; right before you mentioned that, I thought I noticed your shots going a bit left compared to the others... Another thing I thought of is that when gong through heads in a st, each usually has a different lie angle, which makes sense when the shafts change length, but they also have different weight, with longer irons having lighter heads. Since you didn't change the shaft, not changing lie angle makes sense, but I wonder what effect having the same weight with the stronger makes. Does it make a difference or is having a lighter head required in the longer irons just to keep swing weights constant? On a related note, I've always wondered if adding some loft to a club would increase the club's forgiveness...

Hi, have really been enjoying your channels. What brand of club making tools do you use? Who makes the loft/lie adjuster seen in the video?

Also less spin on a 9, means it won't stop as fast, no good on a 9 in my opinion, my 9 is 44 degrees, I'll just focus on 2 degrees flat and I'm home free.

Just curious, since I didn't see you mention it in this video, were you presenting the same dynamic loft at impact respectively as you changed lofts? I'd be more interested in seeing that versus just the loft and distance changes. Or do you think it doesn't make that much difference?

how does going from 28 degree to 30 degree how does that effect distance, launch and landing angle?

After watching your video I took a look at the lofts on my clubs and they are really jacked compared to your clubs. I was wondering why it was so hard to hit my 6 iron.....my 6 iron is 24 degrees I wonder what would happen if I lofted it up 2 degrees.....any opinion?

I appreciate your video. It's informative and helps, thx. But I don't need to see you hit all 4 balls. Lol it's not a gold swing video

When I click the link for the previous video it says “This video has been removed by the uploaded”. ☹️

Enjoy your tinkering