I'm sorry that people made you feel like you needed to make that clarification. I felt that you were walking the line for discussion's sake, but still clearly supporting what the church chooses to do. Sure what you said wasn't perfect in letter, but clearly your spirit was in supporting the brethren; explaining what - if any- the potential vulnerabilities of the church are in this lawsuit. And also explaining what the alleged misconduct is.

There's no way you think it was appropriate to build a mall! The belizio hotel in Vegas cost a billion, they just spent a ton on the gateway mall that nobody used? Not much revelation if they thought malls are a good investment. I saw a mall just sale for 6milion ,4yrs ago appraisal 360 million! They really messed up with this lawyer words and there ego is going to get them in trouble ñow!

@@davidcarruth5906 I have faith that the Prophet and the other apostles, are not permitted to lead us spiritually astray. And i know that God can make wonderful good; even out of our most terrible mistakes.

@@davidcarruth5906 how do you know what we as tithe paying members think is appropriate? You’re probably hoping this will hurt the church. You’re going to discover that the church may have setbacks, but it will continue on and become stronger.

@@noskalborg723 I like you believe that too, but I have come to the realization that they to are men and have egos. They are all smarter then the average bear so to speak. I'm sorry to say that it's obvious to anyone with the spirit that you have to try and justify that money changing is what Christ was here to set up! President Nelson had made more money in his church calling than in his career as a doctor ! This is wrong too, I wish we were a poor church again than this 💰 greedy stuff would be a problem.

I have been questioning so much lately, I have a lot of doubts. And worries That this all is linked to the opposite of what it makes lit to be. But why do you need to pay when your struggling? When the church isn’t. And why would God only want me to get in to a temple if I’m paying to get in? Why not Churches in general?

​@@kylethedalekbecause the money isn't ours. No e of anything we have is really ours. It's the Lord's. And all he ask in return is 10 percent of what you make. And this funds the church and helps those in need. Like right now in Maui .

Me too

​@@kylethedalek You pay your tithing when you are struggling so God can bless you with more. Tithing is used to build up the Kingdom and also to build us financially, spiritually, emotionally etc. It is also an outward sign to the Lord of our inward commitment to Him. We raised six kids on next to nothing and we made it! Our marriage, our finances and our faith survived because we paid our tithing no matter what. I hope that helps. 💜

Tithing is paid by faith just as much as it is by money. After the trial of our faith comes blessing. Take your struggles to the Lord and watch the windows of Heaven open. They have for me many times. Tithing also helps us to overcome greed and the love of money. Do you love money more than God? The ability to pay Tithing tells you the answer.

Exactly!

And downtown Mesa area too 👏👏

I want to defend the Church and its leadership but the question in my mind is, is this the role of the church of Jesus Christ? I am not sure that is the case. I don't mind the church having money to help others and sponsor programs that foster faith in Jesus Christ or improve self-reliance. I am sure that some would argue that creating jobs by buoying up businesses is providing for self-reliance for some people but again, I'm not sure the Church should be acting like a business investor or bank like in these cases. There's just something about it that doesn't sit quite right with me and I don't know how to articulate it.

@@duncansh81 If the funds for the mall came from wise use, stewardship, of the funds, why would you have a problem with the Church using the funds to maintain areas around their properties that then provide a more safe environment to attend the temple? How can that not sit right with you? I am genuinely curious. Why would anyone be upset that the Church uses the funds it receives wisely? I, for one, would rather that I don't get mugged outside a temple because that area became run down.

Cateway mall? Wasteland, do some research on malls and what there sale prices are! What ! Very stupid to be in mall biz! Not much forsight and will end up down town again! .. homeless and drugs is here to stay.. so get used to it cause we are next up!

Yes it's God's money; it's not money to be spent on a $1.4B mall where people can buy coffee, beer, and immodest clothing.

@@darin6958 ... But tithing wasn't spent on a $1.4B mall where people can buy coffee, beer, and immodest clothing. :>)

​@@darin6958 myopic

To me it’s actually a great example. The Lord wants us to be wise stewards and also prepare for a rainy day. The church has done that. The people who have problems with that are most likely people who are looking for problems. If it was debt they’d complain about debt, it’s financial growth so they complain about that. Instead of being critical look inward and deal with your personal problems directly with the Lord.

@@darin6958 are you speaking for God?

Remember the early days of the church. Many of the mob that went after Joseph Smith were once members. Evil deeds never change.

We have been told that those who leave the church will try to bring it down. This was prophesied in Joseph Smith's time. Wheat and tares. I pray to stay unshaken with others who trust the Lord who has imperfect people to work with.

Maybe true. However, I don't think everyone who leaves the church voluntarily, or involuntary, would be considered among those who persecute. I think there are many legitimate questions and concerns about doctrines and practices that should be addressed by the body and leadership.

@@dougknighton5348especially a group responsible for finances, with no oversight and accountable to no one on earth. As we know from our past, men are infallible

@@dougknighton5348 Meh. What good would it do? You can address polygamy, blacks in the priesthood, women not having the priesthood and all that stuff all day long. And where does it get you as a church? It's gets you sidetracked from your primary mission. If you believe it, you believe it. If you don't. You don't have to and the church doesn't owe anyone anything, just like Jesus Christ didn't have to explain himself to anyone.

You can feed a man for a day. But when you build infrastructure that helps people become more spiritually strengthened in their lives, what better investment is there?

@@davidfrey5654 ya but only in Utah! If you live there it helps your area mostly. Money stays in there banks!

​@@davidcarruth5906SO true! In my line of work, it's always the members who screw me😂...ALWAYS 100%

"you are very generous with God's money" That seems rude and arrogant. God does not need money. The CHURCH needs money; not God.

Good example!

The problem isn't in them saving of grains,? It's the distribution of it when in need! Who gets the grains? And what proportions! They never talk about that! That's when the Harvard, Marriot grads get together and in there alumni make that decision for you? You see they always get first to separate the spotted sheep ,weak ,from poor, you think your in that group your the idiot!

Yep

I wonder if this lawsuit will change the small print

EXACTLY!

@@amynazza i don't think it should.

This should be the final answer. It's right there, in black and white. Couldn't be more clear.

It should not be a surprise to anyone that a 200-year-old organization has plenty of money. It means they're good financial stewards.

I don't believe people are so much upset that the church has that much money, but I think it may also be that perhaps they feel that more money then is not being spent or used in areas where it could be.

Mr. Huntsman did leave the church and now he's wanting his money back as a disgruntled former member of the church.

So agree

​@TheArkansasjames Surprised to hear that. Is there any other organization that contributes more toward humanitarian aid?

Indeed, the blessings of paying tithing never ceases to amaze me. And I not even active in Church. Striving.

In my opinion, and I emphasize opinion, the Church is preparing to support a worldwide membership when the coming financial collapse happens.

@@rckburris Talk about pulling stuff out of thin air. From where did you pull that opinion?

I remember going through the temple a promising what I would do for Zion. I see the vision of it. I want to help build it up. I also want Jesus to come back soon! What the heck is he waiting for?!

@@MickSupper Can you think of any other reason why the church would hold onto such a vast financial portfolio? The tithing we pay to the Lord is spent on ecclesiastical needs (temples, chapels, missionary, etc). The interest in investments for humanitarian aid and future needs of the church. I know that more members are going to their bishops for financial assistance than ever before. Is it really so hard to believe that a loving Father in heaven would prepare the means to provide for his people during times of social and economic hardship?

With comments like that, enjoy hell.

Can you imagine NOT getting a check back and still losing your sole?

@@garycrosby8562 *soul

Holding leaders accountable does not cost someone their soul. OMG.

@@alananat6628 OMG what does?

It seems this method helps out a lot of people, in the long run, too bad the deceived can't see it.

And it is now averaging giving $1 billion + a year to humanitarian needs (an estimated 17% of annual tithing receipts). That's a LOT when you consider the church must build and/or maintain approximately 30,000 meeting house, 300+ temples and many other historical sites and programs (family history, missionary work, church welfare (a separate line item from humanitarian pursuits), etc.

@@markmeaker7125 but of course all of this is never enough to the kind of people who got mad at Mr. Beast for using any money to cure blind people. The reason why people say the church needs to do more humanitarian aid is because if the church spent the nest egg at the whims of the masses; the church would be collapsed and powerless. Just like federally banning polygamy, the anti-mo's professed moral reason had nothing to do with it, their true goal was our destruction.

@@markmeaker7125 The Church in Africa feeds many of the saints. Without the help to members and other communities things would be even worse than it already is, especially after the pandemic. Jobs are very scarce as it is and getting worse. Most wards do all they can to help people in need. Between riots and extreme weather conditions, much help is needed.

Where are these numbers documented so we can research? Thanks!

@@markmeaker7125 do you think they would have done this if they didn't get caught?

The Huntsman family is not trustworthy. I can’t trust them after their response to the 2008 california thing.

There are a lot of politicians who us money back, collected under false pretenses

Also the trillions in SS retirement funds "borrowed" by Congress.

So your saying there better and smarter in deciding what mall and business to invest in? Show me some scriptures that say investments of tithing (gambling) gods money is right?

The Mesa area needed it. Temple attendance would go down if attending the temple is unsafe. My grandparents spent 50+ years living down the street from the Mesa temple and finally moved after being shot at while taking their early 5am walks. Cops in neighbors driveways every week doing drug busts, car break ins happening weekly….that area needed some major philanthropic investment and the city wasn’t doing it. It’s a perfect example of why society needs churches. They fill the gaps and voids that secular institutions cannot fill effectively.

This is why the downtown SLC area was upgraded as well, but to reactionary thinkers it just looks like a money grab 🙄

I being the property owner where the new Mesa temple’s visitor’s center now stands, can tell you we tried everything to clean up properties around the Mesa temple by even buying and assembling properties for future beautiful private projects. Come to find out, the city was working behind the scenes to make sure our projects wouldn’t come to fruition. It took an entity like the church with its wonderful commitment and reputation to bring something to pass in Mesa to clean up around our beloved temple.

I don't know. Comments like these make me cringe a little. Sorry. I just don't know that it's the job of The Church to "get rid of ghetto stuff." It makes me uncomfortable witnessing how much money is dedicated to making things "nice". I really don't know. I just wonder what the ancients would say if they were here today. Possibly something like: 35Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing. 36And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts. 37For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted. 38O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies-because of the praise of the world? 39Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

So we move the ghetto? I like that idea ! That's the same thing that caused some guy named Jesus to come in the first place? Just move the poor ,blind,sick, dumb , out of the city! I don't know what you believe in ? It surely isn't Jesus church!

Spoiled kids took million dollar deductions… is he willing to pay the taxes now?

My thoughts exactly. It's not like he made the contributions with specific agreements made about how exactly it would be used. It was put in the same general fund with the rest of the tithes to be used as needed.

I guess he’ll owe a lot of back taxes.

@@minaburns9591 🤣🤣 I didn't think about that

Come on.

I would think that in the future being in control of some means of mass communication might be invaluable in a crisis

I think that the Huntsman parents failed their children somewhere.

I generally agree, though I would note that I'm somewhat leery of Church business after having worked for them. That's less a critique about there existence though, and more being critical of the way that some of them tend to behave internally.

@@josepetersen7112 anytime you deal with humans, you will find weaknesses, flaws and errors. No matter what organization you look at.

I'll second that about Jana Reiss. Her writings are more about her ego than helping people.

The church is about as slow and careful as any "business" I've ever seen.

Are you saying the Church gives my Tithing money to other nonprofit organizations? If this is the case, then why pay tithing when I can just donate the money to a non-profit organization, the same as they do?

​@@scottdean8576That is exactly what they do, at least in part. I get your point. Why not just skip the middle man and relying on the Spirit to be good stewards of what the Lord has blessed us with?

Totally agree. This is 100٪ why I stopped donating to the humanitarian fund of the church, despite being a devout (and full tithe paying) member.

You can’t judge by the organization as much as what were the specific funds and contracts allocated for. Even with corrupt companies, they can provide a service that benefits the kingdom of God on Earth and its growth. The funding with the NAACP was specifically geared to providing research for family history and scholarships to people who need to do this work on their families. It will prompt more evidence for the Bible and Book or Mormon one day. The funding has specific caveats that if not honored, those organizations would be held accountable for. The Lord knows how to play His chess pieces. The devil will have lost.

Probably better to view those donations as a contract; IE, paying the GatesF to do something specific that they aren't doing already and have the groundwork for. Can't say it's my favorite, but it at least somewhat avoids fungible issues.

I'm right there with you. Anything related to the Gates Foundation or anything WEF/NWO is no bueno. Where it gets really tricky is even any investment in any of the top companies, since BlackRock is so heavily invested in all of them, and *they're* the ones unfortunately connected to (controlling?) the WEF/NWO.

So, based on your comments, can you clarify for me that the church does not use tithing to donate it to such organizations to the WHO and Bill and Linda Gates foundation. Is that certain. I would feel so much better about that. I continue to pay tithing as a commandment, but sometimes feel an internal battle that the church is donating to these companies that, in my mind, are not doing all good things. If I had the surety to know my tithing wasn't being given to them, it would be better for me personally.

Nibley is amazing!

It's the Salt Lake Tribune, it could be former LDS acting the same as in Joseph Smiths day acting one way and saying some things that are inaccurate today and cause anti, but with further investigation find they weren't members of the church or left the church, she wrote the article, but the Salt Lake Tribune often sounds anti-LDS. Remember, Salt Lake is under 50% LDS now and the Salt Lake Valley is HUGE! That's a lot of people that want to live and feel safe among the saints and live their lives like the Nephites did when the Laminates were much more righteous, but these citizens of Salt Lake want to feel safe among the most trusted people in the country, otherwise, why are they still there? Why haven't they gone to California or Washington or Oregon, where people see eye to eye and they don't have to live amongst "hypocrite Mormons". They can start a business or get another job in those other areas if living among Mormons is just too painful, but they don't want to. They want to live in sin, in the great and spacious building, and mock those eating the fruit, but live in safety and peace because LDS are faithful and under God's umbrella. Soddam and Gommoruh, God said "Show me faithful soul and I'll spare the city....." They couldn't produce one person. Salt Lake might be filled with savages that wanted to infest Zion because the devil doesn't want a perfect God centered place, but they can live in sin and avoid destruction because there's still at least 20% faithful saints so God can't destroy that city, until he asked them to move, a quiet Exodus, paint your doorframes with Blood. Why are Latter-Day Saints packing up their cars? Where are they going? Why are they painting white lines down the trunks of their trees? Then the wicked become concerned, because they know, and frantically start to do the same. When President Nelson tells the saints to get ready to move, guess how many of the unfaithful, because of selfishness, are going to listen to him then, when they know time is up? A LOT!!!!! Book of Mormon times teach of Nephites that became prosperous and wealthy and then they became prideful, guess what, they're becoming prideful. What happens when they become prideful? It's the vicious Book of Mormon cycle, but this woman writing for the SLT could have been a former member now fighting against the church for her own pride, or knows of the church and the process living in the thick of it and wrote a bogus article. It's all over the place in Church history kicking Joseph Smith in the heels, Joseph moved on and never denied the Church or his testimony and died the same and the Saints still made the Exodus out of bondage and into freedom, and look at Salt Lake City now? It's a MAJOR hub out west, MAJOR HUB! I would also add, it's my personal opinion, but I think the Exodus is already under way, it's just more gradual than in Moses' day when he took them all, and in Brigham Young's day when large groups went, you still had some smaller groups, but, Idaho is becoming really expensive. Californians have so much money that native Idahoans are being bought out, you can't compete with that. Are those Californians LDS? No. Are those being bought out and unable to find work LDS? Lots of them. Do you know where LDS businesses are spreading to and people are moving out of Idaho and Utah too? Right now Texas, which is close to Missouri. Lots of people are finding lower income living along that line of states outside of Missouri and down South making for a shorter commute when the time comes. My life was made, I had a solid future that all of the sudden it was gone, and where did life take me? Closer to Missouri. Opportunity took me closer to Missouri, and I'm not the only one. Again, it's a gradual Exodus, God works in mysterious ways

Please explain about the white lines, this is new to me.

Jesus would never post such a thing.

@@MontanaMomma1 I didn't mean literally, sorry, it was an example of if something were to happen, like that, that the wicked would say: "Hey, the Mormons are doing something, they're up to something, something's going on or gonna happen, we should probably listen" but didn't want to earlier because they wanted to live a sinful life, but if something like that WERE to happen, that's what I mean

@@alananat6628 I'm not sure what you're getting at, whether your thought my response wasn't Christlike or the reference given. The marked trees was an example of a.... Metaphor? Of how saints would want to live in sin and do what they want and deny what's going on around them, but if something were to happen suddenly and they go "Uh-oh, we were wrong," they flew for their lives if a distraction were on the horizon. Clearly someone is carefully still watching and listening or they'd have left and abandoned the church altogether but they want to do whatever they want, but still dip their toe in the water. That was just an example. But, the slow Exodus toward Missouri? I firmly believe God is positioning his pieces on the chessboard, absolutely. Book of Mormon gives several instances where things said weren't the most popular, but needed to be said. Obviously, the prophet of the Church is the one to tell everyone it's time, but that doesn't mean God isn't using his other saints to go ahead and help prepare the way ahead of time. Nobody knows but him, but lots of Latter-day Saints are finding life taking them along that border and closer to Missouri

I think this is right.

They won't win , nor should they, it goes against God teaching in every way! Is this how you see the church being true? You have to be rich ! God love his kingdom rich wealthy and greedy? The reason it rich is because of your tithing following in and nothing flowing out of Utah! So the world gives and it goes to church banks in Utah mainly and helps out only Utah with investors in there cities. Flush with cash while your cities are bankrupt! That's the only reason learn about money system and you should see it flows in and never leaves zion

@@davidcarruth5906 the Church has a whole donation category that is dedicated to humanitarian aid. That is not related in any way to tithing. A humanitarian aid donation, therefore, would be made in addition to the 10% we offer. This may work for some people more than it can for others, depending on individual circumstances. That said, tithing funds themselves only stay within the Church, and are used for purposes related to the work of the Lord. The interest accumulated from that tithing over time, however, is another story. It can be used in any way the Church chooses.

I believe Brother Huntsman is claiming beliefs in order to pursue financial compensation. I think he knows what is really going on, and merely hopes to exploit minor wording discrepancies for big money.

When you are blindly obedient, that doesn't make you more. God doesn't expect us to be ignorant in His name.

@@alananat6628 People who use that as an excuse do not understand the gospel. Being fence sitters on each principle taught does not show faith. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. Is the Church true? Gain a testimony and live by faith. Those questions are beautifully answered but only for those who do not deny the faith or cherry pick truth. Some questions I asked Father as an eight -year- old reading the New Testament for the first time, took decades to be answered because they required layers of understanding, patience and a certainty that the Lord will answer. Humility teaches us to know that God is far wiser than us. We are like toddlers to Him. Faith was the key issue in the War in Heaven. Who is on the Lord's side?

Saying the Church is not just a charity is a dangerous thing to say. The IRS has been trying to get rid of the Church's non-profit status for several years, and if a case can be made that the Church is not a charity then it could lose its tax-exempt status, and this would cause all sorts of financial headaches for the Church.

@@scottdean8576 I think it’s important to say. There are people out there trying to convince others that the church is using tithing wrong because they think should just be giving everything to the poor. That isn’t what God has said. The church’s mission is also much bigger in scope and requires long term use of resources and planning. We’re building God’s kingdom for his coming. Also by IRS standards the church is a charity just for being a church whether they give to humanitarian aid or not. There are people that want to change that law, but with we’re they are now they can’t justify it just because I say we don’t just do charity work which most people interpret as purely humanitarian aid and not the broader definition in the law.

Same at the Mesa temple. We had a bar right next to the temple and other nasty properties that needed to be cleaned up. We are so thankful for the efforts thus far here. However, more still needs to be done. There still are many seedy properties in Mesa WAY too close to the temple for comfort.

Plain

A positive outcome from this may be that all these pseudo "charitable" organizations may have to declare the same thing. Probably not rhough

All charitable organizations will be taxed in the near future. The world as we know it is almost over.

when my tithing funds are used to create a space for Claire's Boutique, Victoria's Secret and Sbarro's, I know there's been a kink in the chain. And when members call me names for pointing it out, I know that anything good left of this church is long gone.

​@@alananat6628Amen!

Unless they have unrelated business taxable income, The following do not have to file Form 990: Most faith-based organizations, religious schools, missions or missionary organizations Subsidiaries of other nonprofits - those that may be covered under a group return filed by the parent organization Government corporations State institutions that provide essential services.

How much do the leader of the church get?

@@kylethedalekthey actually make a decent living. I don’t understand why people persist in the myth that higher ups don’t make money. We do pay them.

​@@kylethedalekmy understanding is the Apostles make ~$120,000 a year stipend. But the flip side is they live consecration so their homes, cars, property, and any other income like investments belong to the church at large. They share those assets in common. I could be wrong but thats my understanding.

@@klotzhomestead8492their money does not come from our tithes though. Their stipend comes from church owned businesses.

AND, ONLY THE GENERAL AUTHORITIES GET A LIVING STIPEND. THE OTHER 30,000 + PRIESTHOOD LEADERS WHO HAVE STEWARDSHIP OVER OUR 30,000 + CONGREGATIONS HOLD REGULAR JOBS AND THEIR CHURCH WORK IS A CONSECRATION TO THE LORD. BTW . . . I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH FOR NEARLY 50 YEARS SINCE I CONVERTED WHEN I WAS 24. I DON'T RECALL ANYONE FROM THE CHURCH EVER PUTTING A GUN TO MY HEAD AND MAKING ME PAY TITHING. MY TITHING WAS MADE AS A FREE WILL OFFERING WITH NO EXPECTATIONS TO HAVE A SAY IN HOW THE CHURCH CHOSE TO USE IT. I DOUBT IF HUNTSMAN OR ANYONE ELSE EVER HAD A GUN HELD TO THEIR HEAD EITHER!@@magitekarms60

Gordon B. Hinckley said to a reporter that the information regarding Church expenditures "belongs to those who made the contributions". Members have a right to know how their tithing money is being used.

​@@sethdoddridge7806I think we not only have the right, but also have a duty to be good stewards of what the Lord has blessed us with. I've taken a closer look at section 119 and wondered if we've gotten it wrong and depriving ourselves of living more by the Spirit. Contributions to the church and it's requiremnets has a very interesting history.

I agree, but I don't think a jury is going to look at the Book of Revelations. This is about the court.

@@CwicShow Yes, definitely an interesting one to watch from a legal point of view. I think the Church will seek to rely on the distinction between funds donated to Tithing and any funds used to bail out a business which funds were derived from earnings on invested income. It is a technical distinction in that members don't donate the income from earnings portion but clearly such earnings would be impossible if the Tithing was not paid in the first place. I do think it is a potentially compelling distinction though.

Well said

*Limited. I'd say it limited the decay and it's scope. But yeah, you're right.

You're making excuses for nontransparent, imperfect men.

Alot of devastating and harmful events have occurred in the name of "being faithful." That is how crime has continued in this church.

Name-calling is not needed here.

@@alananat6628 it's not a slur and the shoe fits. Christ called the pharisees plenty of names that accurately described their behavior.

Great comment!!

I couldn’t have said this better.

Yes. The PR and HR people.

Exactly!

I hadn't considered that. Thanks for that perspective

I remember as a young girl being told that money would not be needed during the second coming because 'the Lord will work his miracles.'

You’re welcome

I agree. The SEC (not FEC) docs showed that the Church leadership (Presiding Bishopric and First Pres.) told Ensign Peak to create more shell companies to hide the money. My degree is in Finance. The only reason to use a shell company is to hide money. This is why they got fined, besides not filing the correct Federal documents. Whatever happened to avoiding the very appearance of evil?? Why not just be transparent? And I agree with another commenter above -- the Church can use money in any category any way they choose. Some categories didn't even exist years ago. And they've taken some of them away again recently. So you are wrong on that point Greg. They can use the donated money however they want. But when the President (of both the Church and Corporation) says they will not use the money for a specific investment and then they go ahead and do that (if, in fact they did) then that could present a legal issue for the Church.

I appreciate that

Glad you enjoyed it!

And he's said he wants to donate it to LGBTQ and Black Lives Matter causes. Tells you all you need to know.

@@jaredshipp9207 He who? Jana is a woman and I believe uses female pronouns.

@@paulblack1799 Sorry, I meant James Huntsman.

Could you imagine if we all had to claim from the rooftops, as does the church, all that we spend our money on.😮 That would definitely be enlightening. We could all pick apart someone's debt, their income, and their recreation. Did you really have the money for Netflix🤔 That would be a total nightmare. Transparency is great, but there has got to be a line. Do we really want the whole world to know how much the church has. So much greed. All the panhandlers would know which neighbors to hit on just as now everyone wants a piece of church money.

The GAs are like parents investing the family money. I absolutely trust them. Don't need no "stinkin' transparency." There's is enough of it in the annual report at General Conference.

Thank you!

Being blind doesn't mean you're accepted of the Lord. When you are personally affected by these things, you might just change your mind.

Thanks for commenting. Your last assertion is false. I never said that members control their dollars after they soared. I said they control the categories they donate to.

@@CwicShow Sorry to see you doubling down on it, but take a step back at the context of your statement at the end when you say about those that donate - "how you dictate the categories" - you say this at the end of your video after you had been emphatic about wanting, and feeling deserving of, an accounting that you would find satisfactory, after you stated that you thought it is fraud if the Church used any of a donation that had come from marking a subcategory on a donation slip for missionary or humanitarian for something you didn't think fit that category, and after you had just given quite a scathing critique (not saying they don't deserve the critique) of businesses (Deseret Book, Deseret News), which I understand your passion about. With all that, you then say to your listeners "you dictate" the categories. That is not false, it is your words. This word choice and the context implies much more than merely choosing a column to put the number in, it implies the control that should lead to the Church being held to your standard and needing to provide to you an accounting that satisfies you. Again, I think you are going off the rails a bit with how you ended your video and should rethink your position on some of your phrasing.

Building a mall is to build up the kingdom? I bet Melchizedek built one awesome mall back in the day. Probably had the first ever mall with a theme park inside.

No but maybe Melchizedek had an extra well or two dug for everyone's cattle to drink. Maybe he planted some trees nearby. Maybe he made an inn for weary travelers. Times change about what exactly is good to do.