I would say go ahead with it for the competitive play but the actual games should stay normal or people would ruin the fun by over levelling and other dumb stuff

beast boost better

Bruh more pokemon coming in part2

And then we battle vgc with the whole gang I'm just saying❤

"Barrier of entry for new players" - unfortunately, this isn't anything new. It existed since Gen 3.

Love your vids got me into vgc

power creep has been around as long as pokemon comp has been around I think he was referring to more extreme forms of power creep like with pokemon that are just straight up designed to be stupidly broken like urshifu ultra necrozma mega ray zacian and calyrex horses

I mean not being able to name your genned mons when they're ones you've ran since gen 1 seems a bit on the scummy side imho

@@MrSonicHedgehogif you care about naming them just catch them then. I only started in gen 8 and have Nat Dex in home lol pretty sure a player since gen 1 can do it too

Not only that, Ultra did add new Pokemon so its definitely not entirely the same game. The closest to that was Platinum adding forms

Plus you could just buy the enhanced version and not bother with the actively inferior one

@@jmurray1110 That is if you knew that they would make a "third version". As can be seen now, that wasn't lawyas the case, so you could easily miss an entire Gen because you waited for something that didn't happen.

​@@jmurray1110that is an option. I think another perspective in the criticism of the upgraded 3rd version is, why not just delay the game and have the 'whole thing' released in one go? Main answer is obviously money which leads to another question: why make 2 versions of the same game at all? Artificially locking arbitrary content like story legendaries, gym leaders and region Pokemon can be limited by in-game selections rather than hard copies of the game. Various questionable marketing practices by the franchise just stack and makes things look worse.

Yep and depending where you lived it was 30-35 for one game and its now 90 with the dlc

Or better yet just add a battle simulator which lets you get into competitive play without needing to touch the base game in any capacity.

@@infinityheart_tm9270Fr just put stadium in Pokémon games it’s that easy

There's fresh start mochi, pomeg, kelpsy, quality, hondew, great and tomato berries as well as the mints that may lower stats.

Man I wish Game Freak was allowed to go all in with gen 8 and give IVs the boot they deserve... I'm sick of these half done measures

@@madpsycho6none of these affect IVs.

​@@ghengiroo4143there was supposedly a leak that there is a way to make someone's IV's 0. Iv's being 0 also isnt super important outside of trick room. Maybe for confusion but outside of that no. Only other thing would be a slower weather settee maybe.

Foul play as well, but that 0 IV grind is tedious for the slightest of advantages, IVs in general are outdated along with multiple versions of the same game. Also for rpgs, there needs to be a grind/barrier for entry as it's not a fighting game.

is it really that necessary to use bad faith argument for pushing for genning to be considered legal?

​@@neobahumuth6look up the deffinition of bad faith argument, cause using it where it doesn't fit makes you look stupid. Literally everything they said is factually correct. Look at how vivid the servers of Pokemon Showdown are. Free and allows you to change pokemon stats whenever you feel like in no time. Just skill and battles, no unnecessary luck/based grinding that takes hours that could be spent training

@@neobahumuth6 Bad faith argument? It’s a reality for people who want to use a Pokémon who’s IV’s are set when you first start the game so you have to reset the entire game if it has the wrong IV’s. Same goes for Pokémon like cresselia who want the same 0 IV spreads. Competitive is far from accessible and genning would make it far easier to make competitively viable teams. If there are people who keep saying it’s easy to make a competitive team then the argument like the one I made with Enamorus is a viable response. It gets even harder for those who’s job isn’t literally competitive or just general Pokemon, if you’re trying to play competitive while working a day to day job the time sink that is getting the right Pokémon with the right 0 IV’s for the right team archetype (mainly trick room) and then EV training it perfectly while also playtesting it either on the ranked ladder on SV or Showdown becomes even more of a challenge.

@@kristophesiem5336 I thought it was a reasonable point to make 😂 Apparently someone didn’t think so

@@Sn0wmeadit's in bad faith because in reality it doesn't really matters as much as ppl want to make it look like to be and still doesn't changes the fact that the whole system is miles times easier than how it was in the past, so you are specifically targeting that contriviance to try and debunk it

There was a bench barrier in the form of manaphy, which protected your bench from damage. And TCG is way more pay to win, your average deck costs about $70 and if you even have to buy 3 decks a year that’s already $210 which is a yearly cost as opposed to vgc which is only a one time expense (for the most part)

@@PotatoHunts Manaphy didn't come around for a few sets after Urshifu's release in Brilliant Stars. Also, let's say you want to get into VGC on a serious level and only own a Switch. You need SwSh plus the DLC's, Legend's Arceus, and SVI plus the DLC. Assuming you don't own any of them that is around 200 bucks easy. Now you can build arguably the BDIF in Gardy for around 50-60 bucks and it will mostly be intact come rotation in 5 months. It really comes down to what you value more, money or time.

@@TheForeverRanger there is much more of a continuos cost to the TCG than vgc, you can’t fully get into the game in a couple months, you also need to get lucky with the deck you pick and hope it stays for a while. And if you’re just starting the vgc you don’t need the highest level Pokémon, if the price is too high buy games every couple months, if you’re just starting vgc you don’t need top tier Pokémon because your skill won’t be at a level where they’re useful

They already have it

@@Canation89we have it for EVs, not IVs

He even called me one for using a built-in exploit, ie using The Entity to give myself enough Rare Candies to finish the PokeDex after using the Mew Glitch to get all base forms

@@MrSonicHedgehogI mean using an exploit is cheating, but cheating isn’t a bad thing. There’s nothing wrong with it if it doesn’t directly hurt anyone else lol

Mythical Pokémon aren’t legal. Legacy and legacy event moves aren’t legal.

the artist did a great job :) twitter.com/AtrixMJ

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Dude, if they did that, me doing the Ash copycat situation would be too easy to do cuz I'd run Mega Evo, Z-Move and Gigantimax.

Ha! Perhaps a little ambitious and over the top on my part. But the point would be for Pokemon to set/ban gimmicks and whatever Pokedex they want when running tournaments. Let people do their free-for-all gimmick matches in their own fun.

There was never a day like that tbh. Version exclusives have existed since day 1.

​@@kiwi40238technically not if you know what you're doing, ie Mew Glitch

Do like a subscription model for like $5 a month max

No

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​@@NotSL0TH17ha ty was looking for that

What in the Sam hell

@@Bepppp what?

Feeding a Pokémon berries and training it is what you are meant to do, it makes any team you make satisfying and give you a connection to them. "Competitive" players don't even play the game properly, using external programs to add Pokémon to a game violates the rules of the games so it hard to see them as "players" with all the cheating and hacking. Anything that makes Wolfie cry in a corner makes me smile, cheaters shouldn't prosper.

@@madpsycho6 eh, different strokes for different folks. I suppose the benefit of requiring all that time investment for competitive play is, only children with a boat load of time and play Pokemon for 80% of their video game playing time are able to participate. Either that or make playing the game some bizarre job that people get paid to do to trade desired mon (which people do). And after playing 3+ generations of the game and counting, the whole 'connection' argument becomes worn and tossed out by everyone, like an old pair of shoes.

​@@madpsycho6said no pokemon worlds champion ever

@@kristophesiem5336 they aren't trainers, they're hackers, there's a big difference between someone who actually trains Pokémon and someone who can't be arsed to look for a Pokémon and just hack them into the game.

@@LeoBeastmode some evolutions require effort to achieve, how many Gholdengo used by competitive players was obtained properly after gathering 999 Gimmighoul coins? If it's 70%, that's not too bad but if it's 50% at most, that's shows that they don't understand what it is to work for something. Example I can make is that I caught a level 9 Salamence using the SOS encounter function and it took hours and many attempts across many days but I got one and it felt so satisfying to caught, the "best" competitive players would get a similar Salamence that's shiny, hidden ability and/or perfect iv, a nigh impossible encounter.

Yellows differences were no bigger than what Emerald and Platinum did, arguably even less. It is still the same game with small updates

​​@@grydon6422you pretty much were Ash on Yellow, no contest. You could get all 3 Starters, you start with Pikachu and battle Jessie and James. How can you list these as small updates?

*"Honestly having a third game is probably the lesser of two evils imo."* No, no it isn't. Not only you play basically the same game twice (and you also had to pay twice per game), but also it barely was different from its original counterparts. *"I'd rather know thay once I buy the game once, i never have to worry about having less than someone else for the entire games relevancy. Everyone can just play the game as intended, forever."* Man, this sounds way too self-centered. Also, anybody can play the DLC's content, they just have to buy it. *"Just having all the catchable pokemon of the Generation in the base game,"* Thing is that new Pokemon is what hypes most casual players when it comes to Pokemon DLC. Take those away and suddenly you lose a good amount of hype. *"In the last 2 Generations we've seen way too much powercreep, even for Pokemon."* Because, surpri9se surprise, that is exactly what hypes casual players the most!. Like it or not, casuals don't care about balance, they just want to have fun, so GF must do everything they can to sattisfy them. *"Platinum had the entire Battle Frontier, as well as some more legendary events and interactions."* Yet it was 90% the same game D/P were. And heck, not event the changes stand up to scrutiny: The BF was simply a grindfest. Your story team in no way could get you even one simple Symbol, much less the Golden ones, so you had to grind an entire new team to beat it. As Patz said, nobody likes grinding. Those "legendary events" are simply forgettable. Looker and Charon were badly executed. The former was just there, yet he didn't change the course of the story in any meaningful way, 99% of the plot beats from D/P still happen in Platinum as well, so he didn't make a difference. Charon basically stole the spotlight out of the other 3 Admins and they don't get any to replace the scenes they lost, ergo, their characters get weakened in return. Besides those three things, there's nothing else different between D&P and Platinum, so this game wasn't that good. *"B&W 2 are some of the best games when it comes to endgame,"* Those aren't "third versions", those are sequels. They are different. *"just barely outclassed by Heartgold and Soulsilver."* By this you meant the "post-game" were the only thing of note to do is "Go to city -> Beat Gym -> rinse and repeat" with no semblance of an story happening as well? Because that is just a chore and a boring one at that. Nothing of worth happens in Kanto. There's no story at all. It is boring...

They got away with selling 90% the same game 3 times, yes there were updates in the 3rd versions but the game was pretty much the same otherwise. So yes, they did get away with it for generations.

Firstly, you can get mew free from bdsp if you have a save file for lets go. Secondly, PoGo isn't controlled by gamefreak or Nintendo. It's under control of Niantic.

You can complete mew research as a f2p player. Yah your town/city gonna need to have pokestops and spwan but you dont need like densely hotspot area like nyc

But you don’t need Mew to get the Shiny Charm.

@stoicauritra7147 You can’t transfer that Mew to Lets Go games, that is what’s absurd about it. They made sure buying the pokeball+ was the only way for you to get mew in that game

This, the community is not looking for ways to hack their mons, is looking for options to not having to hack

@@maximilianohermosilla2544 as long as hacking is easier, peeps will do it. People will always default in most part to whatever is the easiest. It's an rpg, rpgs have a grind. Shooters have less and fighting games dont, it's the genre. People will always cut corners unless they have a way to make teams on demand like smogon, but that kills the grind. It kills the point of farming raids n such. Just a reality. I grind everything in game and it's not bad, but peeps are spoiled with quick create options (not made by gamefreak) and now they want gamefreak to be similar.

Ngl your right, if they wanted Pokémon to be focused on competive they would have made you pay for some packs like the Trading Card Game. And we have to remember Pokémon focus for ages was children.

It not being pay to win in the ”traditional sense” does not mean it’s not pay to win in reality. You need to buy multiple games with extra DLCs to get access to the best competitive Pokemon. And competitive Pokemon being set up by the community is the biggest load of bs to try to justify your argument lmao. We are not talking about smogon competitive here. Pokemon has been setting up official tournaments since Gen 5 at least, and they are huge events too. There is nothing community driven in that. Every generation the changes to abilities moves etc. are many times tied to their performance in the official tournaments. Like it or not, Pokemon is officially a competitive game on top of having the casual side to it which ”iS fOr KiDs”.

@@grydon6422 It being competitive doesn't change its target audience in the slightest. Not one time has Nintendo marketed Pokémon to ANYONE but children. You saying that it is competitive now and it isn't "Just for kids" anymore is correct in the sense that Nintendo does somewhat care for both. But that's like saying Cartoons are are just for kids because they put in jokes that only adults would get. It's still Marketed, designed, and plays likes it's for children. It has a competitive side/aspect of the game that Nintendo somewhat caters to, but the DLC has never been made with competitive in mind. The game itself really hasn't been made with competitive in mind. That's why so many people in the community are so agitated at how easy it is to do everything. It's only gotten easier and easier as time has gon on. To the point where nuzlockes are almost the most common way to play the game. Because it makes it and I quote from many a KZfaqr "A stupid baby game". Pokemon whether YOU like it or not, isn't a Competitive game with a casual side. It is and has always been a casual game with a competitive side. And until Nintendo starts Catering , Marketing, and designing the game to fit the competitive, it will not be pay to win.

You don't even need a past version? Some pokemon still have exclusive tutor moves that are locked in older games. Other pokemon are outright impossible to get in new games. As the video was explaining (but you probably didn't hear cause your parents are cousins) this makes it much much harder for newer players who may want to enter the competitive scene? Want this legendary? Well you better buy this old game sold at who knows what price on ebay or amazon and this other game where you only want a very specific move tutor in it. Oh, and some of these move tutors are conveniently behind a 30 dollar paywall additional to the 60 bucks the game cost, so now you are paying 160 bucks minimim for one pokemon. ONE. And that's of course not counting the amount of time you'll need to soft reset for a good IV/Nature, or for the opposite, a 0IV attack or speed mon for foul play and trick room. Pokemon tourneys are pay to win, cause it's won by people who have paid ludicrous amounts of money for the best pokemon. Like, maybe the top 24. From here on down you can see the people who didn't have pokemon locked behind countless paywalls, and only beyond top 24 does skill start to matter. That, granted, you didn't offend a non-binary judge and got expelled from the tournament for no reason and all that money you spent goes to waste, cause that's a thing now

@@kristophesiem5336 Is see you didn't even read my post... nor know anything about the current games. Guess you are to busy insulting me because you don't have a point to stand on and your feelings were hurt. Tutor moves? That doesn't happen anymore. A pokemon can only have the moves it can learn in that game. If it doesn't guess what... It is the deleted from the pokemon! You literally cannot bring tutor moves from older games! Bring Pokemon from older games? I believe I said specifically if a person was willing to trade... you know part of the pokemon experience. They could get those Pokemon, but lets go with saying you don't want to trade. Well guess what VGC has this nifty thing called a list of available Pokemon you are allowed to use. It isn't the whole roster. It is quite literally just the Pokemon on the Pokedex. You can catch them all with the soul exception of version exclusives... which guess what gamefreak gave you extras of so that you could trade with the other version to get the other exclusives! "But what about my legendaries!" You mean the thing they let you capture all of in the past games... and are likely going to let you catch all of when the indigo disc comes out? You know Dynamax Adventures, Ultra Wormholes, Hoopa shenanigans, etc... No? You conveniently forgot about those because they don't suit your point? Also get over this 30 dollar paywall crap. It isn't a 30 dollar paywall. It is a 30 dollar discount. Because in the past if you want to play competitive for all of a single generation you needed to buy two titles. Period X or Y and OR or AS, S or M and US or UM. Instead of needing to buy two games. You need to buy one game and a DLC that cost half the price of a second game. You even further prove you didn't read what I wrote and jumped to assanine conclusion because I specifically stated the only thing missing from the game was a way to set IV to 0, and if that were introduced there would be literally nothing left for them to do to make getting into competitive easier. The sad fucking part is that you have such shaking standing ground you have to bring up min/maxing in a topic supposedly about new players coming into competitive who would specifically not be at min/maxing to that degree of worrying about having 0 ATK IV incase they come up against someone using Foul Play or worrying about having 0 Spe IVs when deciding "Hey I want to try a trick room team" because clearing they are also thinking "Man I need 0 Spe IV incase I come up against another trick room player " instead of "What slow Pokemon is good". Pokemon Tourneies are won by the people who put in the most time, effort, and thought into their strategies that they use at that level. They genned those Pokemon as have been pointed out in many scandles. So... what money is being spent outside of having access to the game? None you imbecile. They didn't even need to buy the DLC because it was genned. The only money spent in Pokemon Tournies is for the expenses of the trip there. Not on "pay2win" pokemon. Even Patterz and the video didn't try to make that dumb argument and their argument was based on the DLC of SwSh. Which for the information have now is different to SV. Needing only the base game if you are willing to trade, and the DLC only making that trading requirement (which is part of pokemon) easier. Especially since because of the switch... it is very easy to get multiple of "stand alone" pokemon with a single copy of the game. But no go off on how hard it is to get into competitive, and how you need 200 dollars of older games to get move tutor moves that you can no longer use because gamefreak decided "nah lets not do that". Might want to update your knowledge before you come up someone insulting chief.

rocky helmet and covert cloak?

@@jhaydenjoecredo3761 How many Urshifu run either of those? Covert cloak sucks when trying to stop tailwinds and you just have to know which pokemon usually run rocky helmet

@@EricBurns1 protect is a thing rage powder is also a thing follow me is also a thing tera ghost too double protect on first turn can happen

@@jhaydenjoecredo3761 yes. And I gave my Maushold enough bulk to take a couple hits. Tera blast steel if Flutter Mane comes out

@@EricBurns1 dang that's a lot of commitment just use raging bolt

eh quality ig, i mean its pretty subjective if you want to get a cheap or name brand razor. completely your choice

If you have special needs, fradgile skin etc. My ex had psoriasis and needed very spesific brand products for shaving. :)

yea sure in lower ranks or casual formats you can use less used non dlc pokemon, but you cant lie tournament results shows that these dlc pokemon are used in the higher tier in competitve play. If ur truly willing to play pokemon competitve at a high level you will need to pay these barriers to get the pokemon like the calyrex horses and ogerpon.

2021: Regieleki wins worlds. 2022: Calyrex Shadow Rider wins worlds. 2023: Urshifu water wins worlds. LAIC that happened last week: Urshifu water wins. Its not an opinion. Its a fact. Results speak by themselves, you have way higher odds of winning if you use a dlc pokemon

@@KitsuLovesU sure, however also those pokemon have hard counters and now with tera types you can completely surprise your opponent, the amount variables while teambuilding is endless. I'm not saying the dlc pokemon aren't better, however there are ways around them. Usually even multiple. The only pokemon that was truly overpowered (when i played a lot of comp) was zacian crowned. (I didnt play comp oras/usum so i dont have a mega Ray opinion). And even zacian became kinda useless after a paralyze. If you don't have access to those dlc mons just make sure you have the perfect counter to it. Unless it's the crowned tundra lol. They introduced like 10+ ubers in that dlc xd

@@mrmittenns5728 1. I dont think ur talking about VGC because tournaments are playing in open teamsheats so ur idea on using tera type to suprise a oppoenet is irrational, zacian isnt a problem since its not dlc so why bring it up. 2. There are so many dlc mons that are meta right now heatran, ogerpon, urshifu-rapid/single, cressila, and ursaluna bloodmoon just to name a few. That cannot be obtained with base Scarlet and Violet. If you were to try and build a team right that can counter cressila or urshifu leads your already comminting half your available team to bring in. You need to also build a offensive core for yourself, not even gonna mention that there are other huge threats like fluttermane and iron hands you need to also figure out how your going to deal with. 3. seems to me you dont even play vgc format so idk why your even trying to prove a point