Derek from MPMD goes over the possible Chinese Olympic Weightlifting protocol and how they may evade drug testing at the highest level. Full Podcast At @ComeCorrectPodcast
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@zacktelander Жыл бұрын
FULL LENGTH EPISODE HERE: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j6ulbJCpmOC9kWw.html
@JJ-yg1sf8 күн бұрын
Americans athletes took the most of drugs in the world
@wikitiki44 Жыл бұрын
I love how Derek refuses to speculate on things he hasn't spend days researching. People who have the wisdom to stay in their lane of knowledge are so rare.
@rationalright8342 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. Seems like Zach is reaching a bit with this one. Glad Derrick didn’t take the bait.
@wikitiki44 Жыл бұрын
@@rationalright8342 Imo it's not really bait. It's not like Zack is trying to squeeze questions out of him for some clickbait. He seems genuinely interested about the state of drugs in his sport. Just that Derek isn't super into weightlifting so it's hard with this topic specifically.
@rationalright8342 Жыл бұрын
@@wikitiki44 I don’t know. This part of the pod seems a bit clickbait- ish to me. That’s just my opinion. No harm, it’s how you grow the channel. I just think it should be less obvious.
@ayda2876 Жыл бұрын
@@rationalright8342 hes just curious stop
@blue-pi2kt Жыл бұрын
I think the issue is that it's unrealistic to expect anyone of Lu's calibre to NOT be on gear. We know he is, it's just a matter of how they achieve it.
@casey7411 Жыл бұрын
If you combine both of their facial hair patterns, you get a full beard
@NewsChannel-y4g Жыл бұрын
the best kind of friends complete eachother
@Not2Be0utDone Жыл бұрын
You mean if they kiss?
@richardf7223 Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@HygienicMaggot Жыл бұрын
These comments Lol
@kevinwheeler5595 Жыл бұрын
That was the funniest image I got in my head of WADA guys in lab coats parachuting into a country with piss cups 😂
@cappy0023 Жыл бұрын
Lu must have forgotten the nine ancestral tenets.
@5hydroxyT Жыл бұрын
unprimal😆
@franciscos.2301 Жыл бұрын
@@5hydroxyT *suuubprimal
@rubatsch1713 Жыл бұрын
forgot to sunbathe his anus
@5hydroxyT Жыл бұрын
@@franciscos.2301 irrrrrelevant!
@mrhanky5851 Жыл бұрын
Lmao underrated comment
@luisnunes3863 Жыл бұрын
"It's weightlifting, everyone is on drugs. It's just they are never caught." That's a metric shit ton of truth right there. Could just as well be said; it's professional sports, everyone is on drugs. One problem with any drug testing regimen is how easy it is to manipulate against small or unpopular countries while the countries that hold power on the federations get away just about anything.
@johnford9070 Жыл бұрын
Stop saying every one in professional sports is on drugs lol not even close to being true
@theaccordian9377 Жыл бұрын
@@johnford9070 You're delusional.
@kelinlu5264 Жыл бұрын
@@johnford9070 how come us swimming team so dominant, must use drugs
@livefit8936 Жыл бұрын
So by that logic, if everyone is on drugs then it must be skill that wins Gold lol
@ws2013 Жыл бұрын
@@kelinlu5264 Swimming also got a ridiculous number of events. Sounds like US is pulling the strings to pass their asthma athletes into the pool lol
@jordanbabcock Жыл бұрын
"Are there drugs available that could get around a test? Asking purely hypothetically of course" - ZT at his biggest
@SithAssassinOfSkyrim Жыл бұрын
lol
@twtwtw Жыл бұрын
Lu Xiaojun is competing at 73kg for the 2024 Paris Olympics, since his prior weight class of 81kg won't be held in Paris. Thus why he lost a lot of weight first before beginning to train again.
@kforrester3904 Жыл бұрын
I like how they're doing all this analysis but no one's bringing this up lmao
@ausnonymous8455 Жыл бұрын
I have friends who are professional weightlifters. These guys do not know how weightlifters trainings. They train 1 or max 2reps only focusing on weights. Their bodies are not look like bodybuilders.
@thechosenone93 Жыл бұрын
@@ausnonymous8455 That’s a poor argument. You can get a good physique by combining Olympic lifting and high rep isolation work….like the Chinese do.
@signs80 Жыл бұрын
Lu could've dropped to 73 pretty easy in under a year, by his own words he had to force feed himself to even maintain enough for the 77kg class. He probably could've dropped that 8kg in 4 months instead of what was probably 12-15kg in over a year
@ausnonymous8455 Жыл бұрын
@@thechosenone93 that is the point. When weightlifters’ bodies are not on good shape, they still lift e80%of their record then they doing diet to meet the weight classes and doing double amount of training during season. Lu looked tiny but turns out bigger is completely normal lol
@Andy_Arkadata Жыл бұрын
“Our roided up guy, beat your roided up guy.”
@yankees29 Жыл бұрын
I like to see how far we can push the human body even if substances are involved. Legalize everything….
@RogueCylon Жыл бұрын
Fact is in the west it’s a coach, and maybe an athlete that can afford the work. Whereas in China it’s the State playing politics because they can’t stand not winning as many medals as America.
@EroticOnion235 ай бұрын
@@yankees29 why does legalizing it make a difference
@thomaschristopherwhite90435 ай бұрын
@@EroticOnion23 Because then we can go crazy and invest a ton of money into these PEDs for mass market which means there's no legal road blocks into improving these drugs because the data on them will grow exponentially. Not to mention that it will become safer over a shorter period of time compared to if people just did it secretly in gym locker rooms.
@kresimirpleic2 ай бұрын
@@EroticOnion23 Exactly. So few people get caught, it's almost the same as if it were legal.
@hugorikken2993 Жыл бұрын
As someone doing a master in analytical chemistry, its very interesting to hear these kinds of discussions. If you have a big enough lab team you could test everyone, but this costs a lot of manpower and a lot of money. In addition to this, there is also problems in hospital labs with determination of different normally present steroids in humans with off the shelve machines and method from big pharmacutical companies, so even if you could test everyone with a test that costs less to run you're still going to have so much problems with detection limits, cross reactivity and general selectivity of your tests
@dajay2k Жыл бұрын
China = manpower & money
@Maya-xs9xn Жыл бұрын
I wish Derek will do a whole video regarding women’s weightlifting, professional competitors, fitness in general and supplements. Long term effects of synthetic enhancement drugs, androgyny, etc. Also HRT, menopause, creatine, etc. The importance of women’s weight training from HS up until your 80’s. The key factors in our longevity. The WHOLE enchilada. Love you Derek. ❤
@Goosetavula Жыл бұрын
You should dm him on Reddit. Dude is really responsive
@yawns3004 Жыл бұрын
That's like 10 different videos
@Maya-xs9xn Жыл бұрын
@@yawns3004 Maybe hahaha. I think he can cover a lot in a 2 1/2 hour segment.
@tanthai3653 Жыл бұрын
@@yawns3004thats content given to him for 10 vids right there
@mitchweber7868 Жыл бұрын
No I love you Maya 😍
@theparadisesnare Жыл бұрын
So weird to see Derek not in front his woodshed, glad ZT could coax him out
@jkizzle9953 Жыл бұрын
So nice of Telander to go into Derek’s woodshed and hang a curtain for different scenery
@landlocked_lifts332 Жыл бұрын
New camera angle making Zack look like an absolute beefcake
@littlethuggie Жыл бұрын
Dad bod.
@litoo8544 Жыл бұрын
China's steroid philosophy, "Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist."
@kelinlu5264 Жыл бұрын
I guess this is also true for US swimming team, gymnast team and many others?
@keithsim2914 Жыл бұрын
And US basketball team? Mainly made up of blacks?
@tonyng9 Жыл бұрын
If it is just steroids, then you'd think the Chinese would dominate the heavy weight classes too. But they consistently suck there. I think it is more likely that they have a better system of looking for kids with extreme outlier limb ratios. They look at millions of farm kids and send the ones with extreme outlier limb ratios to weightlifting camp. You don't see any other team with this many short arm, short femur, long torso, squat jerkers. China has a pretty deep bench too. But at the heavy weight and super heavy weight classes, where the athletes are a lot taller, they don't have this advantage any more and the Chinese team is very mediocre there.
@PhiyackYuh Жыл бұрын
@@kelinlu5264 these US kants will never admit it that their own athletes do take steroids. Its part of high level sports. Hypocrite faks right 😂
@jglg7238 Жыл бұрын
china always beat you, cry some more. 🤣
@DangRenBo Жыл бұрын
"Is winstrol ever even supposed to be in your body, even in micro amounts?" Jon Jones has entered the chat with picograms of turinabol in his system.
@tdan6828 Жыл бұрын
I just got off a 12 week winny cycle won't do it ever again
@luxurybuzz3681 Жыл бұрын
@@tdan6828 I heard Winstrol destroys you
@tdan6828 Жыл бұрын
@@luxurybuzz3681 I still have bad gyno lost everything I got on it got kinda fat lost so much hair got really Moody my face aged and I just wish I never did roids even sarms
@bm2618 Жыл бұрын
@@tdan6828steroids are short term gain , long term pain.
@drip369 Жыл бұрын
I'm not Lu
@OMAR-vk9pi Жыл бұрын
YOURE NOT LU
@Anthony-pln Жыл бұрын
I'm not Klokov
@theimage7030 Жыл бұрын
I'm not Clarence
@kas5899 Жыл бұрын
I'm not Haack.
@followufollowme Жыл бұрын
AS IF Americans are cleaner than anyone else... 🤣🤣
@user-ry1yk7eh9dАй бұрын
The United States is the largest producer and user of stimulants An open secret! Look at Phelps' face.
@collin_rich Жыл бұрын
Less dates more on my plate
@foryourhealth2052 Жыл бұрын
The clip we’ve all been waiting for, amazing stuff Zack
@drummaster434 Жыл бұрын
Derek doing a podcast press run to promote exposing the liver king is insane yo😭 ( liver king deserved exposure tho)
@solareiusdeiu Жыл бұрын
DEREK is breaking the KZfaq Algorithm 👍
@K0ly61 Жыл бұрын
Zach looking JACKED, well done sir
@koleary1798 Жыл бұрын
Was about to say that! He's made some neck gains thats that's sure
@iorilamia Жыл бұрын
Wonder what his cycle is
@K0ly61 Жыл бұрын
@@22448824 No wouldnt say bloated, hes bulked up to hit prs in the gym. If you want to gain mass and think youre going to stay chiseled through youre in for a rough ride
@KodieJames13 Жыл бұрын
Not the collab I was expecting, but a collab I am super happy with!
@chinareal3594 Жыл бұрын
What's really needed is some channel that lets Americans directly talk with Chinese citizens, and network to those in the appropriate fields in the know there. Cuz otherwise, the communication gap is so large that any talk about China here is basically largely raw speculation like a Bigfoot channel...
@pactimnoob1131 Жыл бұрын
yeah the people would always get along but the goverments dont because of greed
@RyTrapp06 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the Chinese gov has been pretty damn successful in isolating their 'internet' from the rest of the world. It's certainly not impenetrable, but it obviously isn't most of the citizens(probably not even 10% TBH) that are bypassing it.
@mndeg17 күн бұрын
@@RyTrapp0 countries gotta block US social media because feds use it to regime change/organize terrorism. bangladesh was recently couped by the US.
@youngsuit11 ай бұрын
i wouldn't be surprised if the chinese team is doping but only to the degree that all olympic weightlifting teams probably are. the chinese weightlifting system is superior, just as the russian system of wrestling is superior, the cuban boxing system, etc. the usa hates when an asian country is dominant at something though like the hatred towards japan when they kicked the usa's ass in automotives in the 70s.
@vertigq5126 Жыл бұрын
Interesting discussion, thanks for sharing this man! God bless :)
@The_Argent_Inferno Жыл бұрын
For the algo gainz
@drip369 Жыл бұрын
More comments more gainz
@ShireTown1824 Жыл бұрын
zach looks like he's put on 10 pounds of muscle in the past 3 months
@francoisstrength Жыл бұрын
Done this natural myself. Simple case of changing from speed work to strength and size. I'm not natty anymore tho btw just for reference tho I pulled 300 natty
@Me-vl6jl Жыл бұрын
@@francoisstrength face looks puffy too.
@simbellemare6999 Жыл бұрын
@@Me-vl6jl Isn't the ''puffiness'' related to him demolishing the w8s?
@Itstime1231 Жыл бұрын
@@Me-vl6jl think that's called fat from eating more than he can burn cause he is trying to bulk
@Me-vl6jl Жыл бұрын
@@simbellemare6999 he's probably just dirty bulking idk
@rayross997 Жыл бұрын
He's not eating enough raw liver.🤪
@theonlyjl17 Жыл бұрын
Lmfaooo
@yungyoon512 Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if the China weightlifters are all juicing but what if a Chinese KZfaqr said “oh wow all the weightlifting record are held by Americans. What steroid are they all taking?”
@buttlesschap Жыл бұрын
He said everyone at this level is juicing, doesn't matter which country they represent. I think that part is valid and pretty obvious. His point is that American weight-lifter undergo more testing scrutiny compared to Chinese because of the testing agencies. Less scrutiny = more juice you can get away with taking = better edge over competition. Basically he is saying "Americans take less/benefit less from drugs because our testing agencies are less corrupt because... USA". Which is a bullshit politicized argument.
@thewatcher1261 Жыл бұрын
Some people have this double-standard where China or other foreign countries are just assumed to be guilty without any evidence
@dnbmaniaАй бұрын
They're all on steroids
@user-lu7ud5ch3wАй бұрын
Good compassion however KZfaq is banned in China so there is hardly chinese KZfaqr lol
@mndeg17 күн бұрын
@@user-lu7ud5ch3w there's actually a LOT. ask any Singaporean, HKer, or Taiwanese. They most likely are watching at least a few Chinese youtubers.
@muellernikolai8630 Жыл бұрын
Zack out here asking the real questions and sneakily taking notes cause he wants his team to win medals 🤣
@zcalex7660 Жыл бұрын
The sport i played as a minor started randomly test athletes at the age of 15 Now I grew up in Sweden we have pretty high standard for doping tests in sports
@ryanhofsess2234 Жыл бұрын
I think saying it’s only due to PEDs that China is so good ignores some other factors, like how Chinese people tend to have shorter limbs, maybe giving better joint angles (not sure on this). But that’s how it is with long distance running and East African runners holding all the records. Some speculate it’s their tendency to be built leaner, some speculate that culturally it’s taken more seriously, some say it’s that they train from a very young age and train with more volume, but at the same time more East Africans get popped for PEDs than any other area. IAAF was considering banning the entire country of Kenya this year due to 40% of all positive tests being from there. Finally maybe it’s a combination of all factors.
@telesniper2 Жыл бұрын
It's been trivial to dodge the tests for YEARS there. First, they don't even have a formal national identification system like we do with social security numbers or even photo IDs and I'm not joking. Then, it's not like WADA uses fingerprinting and $hit. So it's very easy for an athlete to send in a body double to take a drug test, in fact being a body double had become a very lucrative profession for many. Of course you never hear any of this brought up, because that would be WAYYYSISSS WAHHH!
@telesniper2 Жыл бұрын
@@soonahero no, I mean Kenya lol. There's nothing like social security or even photo ID there. Or wasn't as of the early 2000s. But WADA didn't even acknowledge it.
@DopeLee Жыл бұрын
two reasons: 1.large talent pool due to the huge population 2. East Asians (including myself) tend to have larger torso and shorter limbs in general (not everyone but in general) East Asians are good at power leverage and quick burst power output in middle and lower weight class, like Lu Xiaojun and the boxer Naoya Inoue, but also look at Zhilei Zhang, who is a heavy weight boxer from China, he is also very fast and powerful. I guess it's a gene thing that East Asians are more power efficient for the same weight class when compared with other people in the world.
@awkwrdly_socl10 ай бұрын
No they are very weak, in comparison to western lifters. They only have success using the forced training and screening methods that the chinese use and the state sponsored doping.
@DopeLee10 ай бұрын
@@awkwrdly_socleven I am against the communist government of China, I have to say your stereotypical reply is ignorantly biased. Asians have very good body structure for lifting and fighting.
@graficandorealidades75617 ай бұрын
@@awkwrdly_socl you are copium addict. Just spitting you inner racism BS. Inoue is an absolutely beast boxer, not weak. If chinese dominates the competition, they are not either. Keep sniffing cope
@trollaccount42707 ай бұрын
@@awkwrdly_socldemonstrably not true. east asians tend to be more powerful than other ethnicities-as in, they are able to output a lot of force in a short span of time
@awkwrdly_socl7 ай бұрын
@trollaccount4270 I almost fell for it lol
@ShreddedEagles Жыл бұрын
"I'd be remissed if I didn't _____"= A great statement that I've been using thanks to Andrew Huberman. Great Content Zack
@austinjrb Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite parts about listening to people way smarter than me, is how they open up my vocabulary and expressions. It's cool to see someone else likes that kind of stuff too bro lol
@excuseme9139 Жыл бұрын
I'd be *remiss*
@user-ee1fn4vt8b6 ай бұрын
@@austinjrbdon’t be like that guy he didn’t even get the expression right
@keithlittle293 Жыл бұрын
Why are the French/Spanish/Brazilian so.good at football. Why are Jamaicas are so good at sprinting..
@opulenceluxury8548 Жыл бұрын
Jamaicans have been popped for drugs numerous times and declined to be tested by WADA in Jamaica just like China, instead they prefer to use their own domestic testing (which surprise surprise never catches anyone). They are clearly on gear. Bolt used a well known steroids doctor on his staff, he also beat Ben Johnsons steroid time during this period. Olympics is dirty as hell from top to bottom.
@oLevLovesLove Жыл бұрын
Jamaicns definitely on that gear though.
@pannonianfit1582 Жыл бұрын
based on doping failed test most of the lifters were found to be using Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron and Stanozolol or in common terms turinabol and winstrol although we know they use multiple drugs in their cycle rotation
@dylanl9532 Жыл бұрын
in November 2011, the International Weightlifting Federation announced that Liao Hui had tested positive for the banned substances boldenone and androstatrienedione. Liao Hui was Olympic gold medalist at 69kg in 2008. So it’s BS that Chinese weight lifters are never caught.
@inmythoughts5450 Жыл бұрын
“Hardly ever”
@AfferbeckBeats Жыл бұрын
That's a poor choice for an example because it is speculated he was busted for political reasons, not that he just happened to get busted. There have been several more doping bans for China, mostly in re-tests for previous Olympics.
@gianfrancoricci92 Жыл бұрын
@@AfferbeckBeats that's a poor choice for a rebuttal because you stated that it was speculated that he was busted for political reasons. speculation is even worse evidence.
@-TK- Жыл бұрын
Liao hui getting popped was weird as fuck. The guy gets tested by usada out lf nowhere and he comes clean but he gets in some trouble in china and he magically pops for a substance no drug tested athlete in their right mind would take.
@RogueCylon Жыл бұрын
But their Government and Coaches are excellent at ensuring they are not popped. State funded PEDs versus an org like WADA is not exactly an even race. China wants to make a political statement, and they have in the medals race.
@Dragon-yw4xw Жыл бұрын
The drug abuse problem in the US is the worst around the world. I mean a normal 16-year-old teenage in high school might use steriod and it's just for getting girls' attention, not for any sports competition.
@charityb Жыл бұрын
They also live and breathe training. They're not like a regular Olympic team. They live, train, eat at the training center for months on end. Not that they couldn't be on it. It just doesn't equate to the same training experience of most countries.
@charityb Жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 , anyone could. Lol.
@charityb Жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 a lot of the people who don't do as well and complain about everyone else are also on it. I don't know why you're so bitter when I agreed that they could be but also stated their work ethics are bar none. Must be feeling a bit inferior.
@healthywiseandfit Жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 And Americans don’t do steroids, but the Chinese do, right? Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire, Lance Armstrong, and all the best US athletes are all clean, right? Right? 🤦🏻♂️
@Micke12312 Жыл бұрын
Firstly, he have perfect proportions for weight lifting
@mathewlett9104 Жыл бұрын
@@healthywiseandfit man most Chinese athletes are juicing and if not juicing alot of the times they are cheating work ethic is there but that can be said about lots of athletes who are training. so you can try projecting all you want but knowing how easy it is to get drugs over there I am not fooled.
@dave-oh3549 Жыл бұрын
Their system is better, their process is better, and they have the biggest population in the bloody world! They find the genetic anomalies who have massive potential for strength, and make them do weightlifting.
@drewgatewood18644 ай бұрын
The major difference here is that, for the US, the prize is qualifying for the olympics, and USADA exists to keep that organic competition (relatively) fair, but for other countries, the prize is the medal itself for national pride to be used domestically for national unity purposes.
@5milemacc7376 ай бұрын
Peeled out of his tree 🌴 😂 And diced to the socks 🧦 👌
@naka333921 күн бұрын
Every country take shitons of drugs, and the strongest countries are the most tested ( China in this case ). At this level is not about drugs or even training, its straight up human material. The amount of money China puts into olympic scouting and athlete development ( it's not only infrastructure, they pay these kids family in order to have them 100% focused from a very early age ) its unparalleled.
@EdMoneyHand Жыл бұрын
Very fitting that Derek streamlined his interview on the China weightlifting team by speaking Chinese.
@bigheadrhino Жыл бұрын
The success itself shouldn’t be used as evidence, there are plenty of countries that excel at specific sports like how Kenyans and Ethiopians dominate distance running, before accusing them of cheating you would consider their physiology. Gear aside, the general body types of chinese people do seem to fit what you would expect to be advantageous for certain kinds of lifts, so the number of people in China who are available to become high level lifters is enormous. If it was just about cheating, it wouldn’t just be in the area they also happen to be physiologically suited for. Again not saying there is or isn’t cheating, just saying we shouldn’t overlook the fact that they may just be naturally good at these kinds of lifts in general.
@Itstime1231 Жыл бұрын
Kenyans and Ethiopians use gear that help them perform for long distances/endurance sports, they're still phenomenal athletes regardless.
@BC21beats Жыл бұрын
it's not mutually exclusive almost all pros are on something don't believe the hype
@jonnysith Жыл бұрын
Look up the current positive PED lists. It's mostly African athletes.. surprising isn't it? I expected a lot of Americans, chinese, etc. But it's mostly athletes from African countries.
@bigheadrhino Жыл бұрын
@@jonnysith this can also be attributed to Americans and Chinese being better at hiding it, but innocent until proven guilty. 🤷🏻♂️
@jonnysith Жыл бұрын
@@bigheadrhino no those athletes were straight up tested and popped. It's literally proven.
@jameswedler2189 Жыл бұрын
If someone took time off, and didn't work out barely at all, he could lose 20+ pounds of lean tissue. He is a short guy and was super ripped, which always makes you look bigger. It possible he was not on gear, but so many athletes are using steroids, it's hard to believe that he wasn't. If he blows up back to his jacked status really quickly, then he is definitely getting saucy. The thing he said about other countries Anti Doping Agencies not being as active in trying to catch their countrymen, that isn't necessarily true. A Chinese Anti Doping Agency or WADA's Chinese officials went to take blood from that superstar swimmer, Sun Yang, and they definitely didn't cover for him, or give him special treatment. I think that they went to his place at like 3am to get blood and when he got pissed off, they left without a sample. He ended up getting suspended for a couple years or something, even though he has never had anything show up in his tests. They are all on PED's, but how is it different than the American's like Carl Lewis, or the Russian's and the Olympics they fixed, which was brilliant. How about in the 1950's where the German government and Olympic coaches were giving Turinabol to all of their athletes and telling them that it was vitamins. A bunch of the women sued the government and won. Canada won more Gold Medals then any other country, probably because of steroids somehow. Now it's China's turn and they are going to run with it until they drop the ball or Anti Doping catches up. All major athletes are using steroids.
@Elfurioso85 Жыл бұрын
It’s like every question Zack Asks he has a spreadsheet of variables ready
@andreasessa1168 Жыл бұрын
We are talking about sports in general, not only weighlifting. Do we really think top tier athletes don't use anything to increase their performances? Nobody believes that. The moneys and prestige for the country involved are beyond every imagination, even with a lot of political implications (strongh athletes = strong country). Drug testes are almost useless: if you know the rules there is always a way to break it, whichever is corrupting, using modified substances not detected by current tests, dosing and timing, or even genic doping why not. It's sad but at the end of the day be on the top it's not only about a person's abilities, but in large part it's about the medical staff and researchers behind the athlete. That said, no one can deny the exceptional abilities of these athletes, especially if we talk about Lu Xiaojun whom I deeply respect.
@brettsnyder5858 Жыл бұрын
They may very well be on drugs, but if you do side by side comparisons with the americans, the chinese have better form imo. I mean do a side my side with Lu and Zack, and its clear to see Lu’s form is basically perfect.
@inmythoughts5450 Жыл бұрын
Americans are the wrong people to compare them to
@brettsnyder5858 Жыл бұрын
@@inmythoughts5450 interesting, who do you think they should be compared to?
@signs80 Жыл бұрын
The Chinese are definitely technicians to an extreme degree a lot of the time, but technique isn't going to create a gap like a 180kg C&J vs a 200kg C&J unless your form is REALLY bad
@-TK- Жыл бұрын
Lu vs zack is a horrible comparison. Maybe you can compare liao hui with alex lee. Both phenomenal athletes with great technique but one snatches the others clean and jerk.
@brettsnyder5858 Жыл бұрын
@@signs80 perhaps. Ive never been near that strong to understand the difference. When im close to bumping a 400 pound clean and jerk ill comment back my new opinion haha
@edmeyer4800 Жыл бұрын
He not a you tube tick tock, Instagram goof that's running gear all year long, he's a professional athlete that is taking time off the drugs which is smart.
@MK4DubsCustoms Жыл бұрын
Clarence made a very good vid on steroinds in weightlifting, wada etc
@loreleifajardo2430Ай бұрын
Link?
@enriqueshockwave Жыл бұрын
USADA jokes btw source: ufc pico jon jones incident
@coperekkr6143 Жыл бұрын
everyone is using.. Chinese just lift more its simple
@TAdamRox Жыл бұрын
I dunno man, when I see swimming I see a lot of American/Australian flags. So, we're gonna take a look at that, or...?
@kye4216 Жыл бұрын
The reason it’s way more likely Chinese athletes are taking steroids is because of how the system works over there. They’re taken as children into government run schools to try and make them the best athletes possible, and I’d bet my life that includes forcing them to take steroids since China just cares about winning medals and don’t give two shits about the athletes.
@SmashBrosBrawl Жыл бұрын
They're all doping, it's the Olympics you dummy. But the question is how the Chinese haven't been caught.
@Rizzerio1 Жыл бұрын
Which side has more money, science led by capital ventures or science led by budget restraints. We allocate resources in favor of cheating because there is more money in doing so for organizations/athletes/sponsors/big pharma. Knowing this, it certainly feels like a waste of time worrying about drug testing, as if the standards of testing and drug makers will ever be on the same level.
@tiGGrteik8 ай бұрын
A Chinese Anti Doping Agency or WADA's Chinese officials went to take blood from that superstar swimmer, Sun Yang, and they definitely didn't cover for him, or give him special treatment. I think that they went to his place at like 3am to get blood and when he got pissed off, they left without a sample. He ended up getting suspended for a couple years or something, even though he has never had anything show up in his tests.
@jpw5029 Жыл бұрын
There definitely drugs in weightlifting at the same time certain ethnicities do better at certain sports, the general shape of some Asians is optimal for Olympic weightlifting
@BranNew1 Жыл бұрын
New Sub, appreciate the channel. I’m 5’10, 228# 1st timer-taking Cjc 1295/Ipamorlen to hopefully trim the spare tire. Workout 3/4x a week, avg diet, protein shake etc.
@dylanbepis570 Жыл бұрын
You don't need drugs, you need a less average diet
@ausnonymous8455 Жыл бұрын
Can not stop laughing on this video. Accusing better competitors because they are too good.
@yazeedpetersen4135 Жыл бұрын
So American..
@backhanddaddy Жыл бұрын
This comment aged well
@joblakelisbon Жыл бұрын
If you are beating men or women who are doping, it's very likely you are doping. All of these countries have doping programs. Russia, China across the board. Jamaican sprinters, East African distance runners. The concept of 'cheating' isn't really taken seriously in most countries. Your duty it to win and earn money for your family. If you have to take a substance, it is what it is.
@ticktock404618 күн бұрын
This comment deserves more upvotes. Classic Americans, objective as the way how they put it, but all just specculative BS.
@matz4k14 күн бұрын
Lu got busted for doping shortly after this
@mndeg17 күн бұрын
lol this guy thinks chinese people aren't getting enough food. there was a recent study showing that Chinnese are eating more protein on avg than Americans now...
@seamusmcfitz913 Жыл бұрын
The Asian men and women athletes compete in both men and women events.
@eminemkh Жыл бұрын
Pushing so hard to imply ped use.. good job Derek being impartial
@RogueCylon Жыл бұрын
Well Lu has been popped, smh.
@lukaslanger8077 Жыл бұрын
Zach is getting thicker by the day.
@DivineLogos Жыл бұрын
China also has more than 1 billion people and are known for their work ethic so that might be the sole reason instead of also having a chemical advantage.
@kye4216 Жыл бұрын
And the athletes are taken to state run schools to be trained nonstop to be the bests athletes possible. I definitely agree in a world without steroids they would still do very well because of that. Still a horrible system tho and once the athlete is done they just discard them and many struggle to live a normal life with no real education or job prospects.
@healthywiseandfit Жыл бұрын
@@kye4216 And how are the American Olympic athletes doing? They’re not all rich after the Olympics, especially if their sport isn’t wildly popular.
@kye4216 Жыл бұрын
@@healthywiseandfit how is that the same as being taken as children and not given any education by the government ?
@SmashBrosBrawl Жыл бұрын
How come they suck at soccer and didn't do shit in FIFA?
@kye4216 Жыл бұрын
@@SmashBrosBrawl they have spent huge amounts of money trying to invest in football and it just hasn’t worked out, no idea why tbh
@ryu-ken29 күн бұрын
Crazy how retired LU is tiny af but still squats pretty damn good
@littlethuggie Жыл бұрын
Xiaojun just got busted for EPO. As everyone has been saying, they're all on drugs.
@XHitsugaX Жыл бұрын
Everyone dopes or else you would not even be top 150 in elite sports.
@alekz7157 Жыл бұрын
You can still do maintenance training to keep most of your muscle mass... this looks like the man had an injury or something with how much weight he's lost.
@alekz7157 Жыл бұрын
Hot damn Derek is well-read and well-spoken...
@AfferbeckBeats Жыл бұрын
He literally just took a year off after the Olympics and didn't touch a weight that whole time. Ilya Ilyin was the same.
@pritty91 Жыл бұрын
I want a video on supplements that will help and keep you healthy when going natural. This guy the Chinese guy is recovering from an injury
@tiGGrteik8 ай бұрын
how it is with long distance running and East African runners holding all the records.
@paulako384 Жыл бұрын
i think its more a case $$$$ rather than undetectable drugs ... every one has their price ... including WADA
@dahoe19 күн бұрын
Who has the most money and technology to beat the tests? The Americans by far and its not even close
@iHoffman93 Жыл бұрын
Liked the outro art
@evanrutherfordlazyahole9079 Жыл бұрын
He's my rival lol I squat 265 he squats 600 I got a little catching up... lmao
@harleyzeth Жыл бұрын
"Heard this from somebody who lives there" you should have shouted out our boy Ramsey Dewey!
@roosterroyraces2046 Жыл бұрын
if USADA is too hard with scrutiny....why not go after and expose USADA?
@voyageFN Жыл бұрын
Damn, Lu just got caught
@elmers2005 Жыл бұрын
atta baby, way to go zack
@shanescolaro455 Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does this camera angle make them look like they have underbites? LMAO
@AS-rx3yk Жыл бұрын
Maybe China had good weight lifting program. Is not possible? After all, they got a lot of people. They passed all the doping tests. Guilty even if proven otherwise?
@lollollin Жыл бұрын
let's spend 4 years living with them to see if they are clean. however, only you can tell, others will still questioning you all the time. this is something that only you know it's true when it's true.
@Boltman47 Жыл бұрын
when I watched team china in the olympics I was shocked. Their physiques were different from everyone elses and it wasn't even close. Brazenly obvious when you see it 5 different lifters.
@durrantmiller8810 Жыл бұрын
I mean it does help that they tend to do way more muscle building accessory work than other countries including others that are known for doping
@tonyng9 Жыл бұрын
On the other hand, their limb ratios are also the most lopsided too. If you are built like slenderman, you'll have trouble being competitive at the highest levels in weightlifting, you'll have trouble looking jacked, and you'll have trouble squat jerking. The Chinese are pulling from the biggest pool of candidates, so they find the biggest outliers. I think a Chinese coach said that 90% of the kids they train are split jerkers, but on the National team you have a lot of squat jerkers. It's survivorship because those limb ratios are advantageous. If it is some special undetectable drug that the Chinese have found, you would think that they would be more competitive in the heavyweight classes, but the Chinese have always been weak there.
@jwatson181 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyng9 good point!
@balam89 Жыл бұрын
They copied the Russians and have nationally funded Olympic athlete factories where the kids are picked and filtered out from a young age and once they get in it's their full time job
@Boltman47 Жыл бұрын
I could hear 1000 plausible reasons, and sure I could be wrong, but I doubt it. If you have athletes that make other competitors look like average Joe's competing against ifbb pros in numerous weight classes I call bs. They have a larger pool to pull from, but a much larger percentage of their population is older. It's more, but I dont think their pool is that much more.
@thexellyz5135 Жыл бұрын
my boi Lu
@obscurelines Жыл бұрын
When China is dominant in a field it's worth noting that there is huge resource put into their programmes. Also, Asian people are advantaged in lower weight power lifting by having shorter limbs in general.
@AZ-rg3rf10 ай бұрын
BS
@matthewsandford4813 Жыл бұрын
Chinese lifters are also lifting for life long monthly payments sponsored by the government. They have more to gain than western lifters .
@Swordofmichael333 Жыл бұрын
It’s the don’t ask don’t tell policy ll
@fluffyscruffy Жыл бұрын
"Overarching concurrently that would otherwise...I don't know". Another Derekism!
@NaturalMeAmerica Жыл бұрын
Why are they talking about test? In weightlifting you have to stay in weight classes, you can gain strength but not weight. I would think stanozolol, turanibol, anavar , halotestin, but not test
@ciaagent8419 Жыл бұрын
4:12 no… that’s not true…😰it… can’t be… 😧
@someonesucks7185 Жыл бұрын
Asian people do have gene-advantage in their natural lower-body strength and mobility like squats, especially the ones who had farmer or working-class ancestors.
@luxurybuzz3681 Жыл бұрын
It's the power of Chi and Gung Fu
@ramblr5900 Жыл бұрын
What happend to the do you lift bro?
@OMAR-vk9pi Жыл бұрын
He started lifting
@chrism45 Жыл бұрын
Let's get to the lab boys
@rustysausage69 Жыл бұрын
Bro I called Brucie in GTAV online for some bullshark testosterone but theres no option to put in credit card and address to ship it to me wtf
@damnmillennials3913 Жыл бұрын
Zack needs to let his guests talk more, jeez. Feels like Derek gets a sentence in once in a blue moon and Zack talks the other 80% of the time
@TheRrrockstarrr Жыл бұрын
This guy now got busted.
@HudsonHandel Жыл бұрын
Looking huge bro.
@user-ry1yk7eh9dАй бұрын
I really like that you emphasize steroids and ignore the long-term hard training of Chinese people Just like: if he's stronger than me, then he must have some problems!
@JinnDante Жыл бұрын
We cannot assume people are clean in USA either . That would be too fuckin naive.
@joeldoxtator9804 Жыл бұрын
My biggest rebuttal is that you can only work so hard and still recover without taking enhancements. This is what kills the "They just work harder" narrative. I don't care who you are, what your genetics are, beyond a training age of about 2-3 years, more volume is counter productive because you run into recovery limits. When you are also talking about guys who have been training for over 10-15 years, using the better training more volume excuse become impossible. There will be slight variations in genetics, but the Chinese in particular don't stand out as natural large lifters capable of genetically gifted natural strength.
@healthywiseandfit Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? The Chinese are genetically built for certain lifts.
@joeldoxtator9804 Жыл бұрын
@@healthywiseandfit They are all under 200Lb. It takes mass to move mass, unless you take gear as well.