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I love how Derek refuses to speculate on things he hasn't spend days researching. People who have the wisdom to stay in their lane of knowledge are so rare.

If you combine both of their facial hair patterns, you get a full beard

That was the funniest image I got in my head of WADA guys in lab coats parachuting into a country with piss cups 😂

Lu must have forgotten the nine ancestral tenets.

"It's weightlifting, everyone is on drugs. It's just they are never caught." That's a metric shit ton of truth right there. Could just as well be said; it's professional sports, everyone is on drugs. One problem with any drug testing regimen is how easy it is to manipulate against small or unpopular countries while the countries that hold power on the federations get away just about anything.

"Are there drugs available that could get around a test? Asking purely hypothetically of course" - ZT at his biggest

Lu Xiaojun is competing at 73kg for the 2024 Paris Olympics, since his prior weight class of 81kg won't be held in Paris. Thus why he lost a lot of weight first before beginning to train again.

“Our roided up guy, beat your roided up guy.”

As someone doing a master in analytical chemistry, its very interesting to hear these kinds of discussions. If you have a big enough lab team you could test everyone, but this costs a lot of manpower and a lot of money. In addition to this, there is also problems in hospital labs with determination of different normally present steroids in humans with off the shelve machines and method from big pharmacutical companies, so even if you could test everyone with a test that costs less to run you're still going to have so much problems with detection limits, cross reactivity and general selectivity of your tests

I wish Derek will do a whole video regarding women’s weightlifting, professional competitors, fitness in general and supplements. Long term effects of synthetic enhancement drugs, androgyny, etc. Also HRT, menopause, creatine, etc. The importance of women’s weight training from HS up until your 80’s. The key factors in our longevity. The WHOLE enchilada. Love you Derek. ❤

So weird to see Derek not in front his woodshed, glad ZT could coax him out

New camera angle making Zack look like an absolute beefcake

China's steroid philosophy, "Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist."

"Is winstrol ever even supposed to be in your body, even in micro amounts?" Jon Jones has entered the chat with picograms of turinabol in his system.

I'm not Lu

AS IF Americans are cleaner than anyone else... 🤣🤣

Less dates more on my plate

The clip we’ve all been waiting for, amazing stuff Zack

Derek doing a podcast press run to promote exposing the liver king is insane yo😭 ( liver king deserved exposure tho)

DEREK is breaking the KZfaq Algorithm 👍

Zach looking JACKED, well done sir

Not the collab I was expecting, but a collab I am super happy with!

What's really needed is some channel that lets Americans directly talk with Chinese citizens, and network to those in the appropriate fields in the know there. Cuz otherwise, the communication gap is so large that any talk about China here is basically largely raw speculation like a Bigfoot channel...

i wouldn't be surprised if the chinese team is doping but only to the degree that all olympic weightlifting teams probably are. the chinese weightlifting system is superior, just as the russian system of wrestling is superior, the cuban boxing system, etc. the usa hates when an asian country is dominant at something though like the hatred towards japan when they kicked the usa's ass in automotives in the 70s.

Interesting discussion, thanks for sharing this man! God bless :)

For the algo gainz

zach looks like he's put on 10 pounds of muscle in the past 3 months

He's not eating enough raw liver.🤪

I’m not sure if the China weightlifters are all juicing but what if a Chinese KZfaqr said “oh wow all the weightlifting record are held by Americans. What steroid are they all taking?”

Zack out here asking the real questions and sneakily taking notes cause he wants his team to win medals 🤣

The sport i played as a minor started randomly test athletes at the age of 15 Now I grew up in Sweden we have pretty high standard for doping tests in sports

I think saying it’s only due to PEDs that China is so good ignores some other factors, like how Chinese people tend to have shorter limbs, maybe giving better joint angles (not sure on this). But that’s how it is with long distance running and East African runners holding all the records. Some speculate it’s their tendency to be built leaner, some speculate that culturally it’s taken more seriously, some say it’s that they train from a very young age and train with more volume, but at the same time more East Africans get popped for PEDs than any other area. IAAF was considering banning the entire country of Kenya this year due to 40% of all positive tests being from there. Finally maybe it’s a combination of all factors.

two reasons: 1.large talent pool due to the huge population 2. East Asians (including myself) tend to have larger torso and shorter limbs in general (not everyone but in general) East Asians are good at power leverage and quick burst power output in middle and lower weight class, like Lu Xiaojun and the boxer Naoya Inoue, but also look at Zhilei Zhang, who is a heavy weight boxer from China, he is also very fast and powerful. I guess it's a gene thing that East Asians are more power efficient for the same weight class when compared with other people in the world.

"I'd be remissed if I didn't _____"= A great statement that I've been using thanks to Andrew Huberman. Great Content Zack

Why are the French/Spanish/Brazilian so.good at football. Why are Jamaicas are so good at sprinting..

based on doping failed test most of the lifters were found to be using Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron and Stanozolol or in common terms turinabol and winstrol although we know they use multiple drugs in their cycle rotation

in November 2011, the International Weightlifting Federation announced that Liao Hui had tested positive for the banned substances boldenone and androstatrienedione. Liao Hui was Olympic gold medalist at 69kg in 2008. So it’s BS that Chinese weight lifters are never caught.

The drug abuse problem in the US is the worst around the world. I mean a normal 16-year-old teenage in high school might use steriod and it's just for getting girls' attention, not for any sports competition.

They also live and breathe training. They're not like a regular Olympic team. They live, train, eat at the training center for months on end. Not that they couldn't be on it. It just doesn't equate to the same training experience of most countries.

Their system is better, their process is better, and they have the biggest population in the bloody world! They find the genetic anomalies who have massive potential for strength, and make them do weightlifting.

The major difference here is that, for the US, the prize is qualifying for the olympics, and USADA exists to keep that organic competition (relatively) fair, but for other countries, the prize is the medal itself for national pride to be used domestically for national unity purposes.

Peeled out of his tree 🌴 😂 And diced to the socks 🧦 👌

Every country take shitons of drugs, and the strongest countries are the most tested ( China in this case ). At this level is not about drugs or even training, its straight up human material. The amount of money China puts into olympic scouting and athlete development ( it's not only infrastructure, they pay these kids family in order to have them 100% focused from a very early age ) its unparalleled.

Very fitting that Derek streamlined his interview on the China weightlifting team by speaking Chinese.

The success itself shouldn’t be used as evidence, there are plenty of countries that excel at specific sports like how Kenyans and Ethiopians dominate distance running, before accusing them of cheating you would consider their physiology. Gear aside, the general body types of chinese people do seem to fit what you would expect to be advantageous for certain kinds of lifts, so the number of people in China who are available to become high level lifters is enormous. If it was just about cheating, it wouldn’t just be in the area they also happen to be physiologically suited for. Again not saying there is or isn’t cheating, just saying we shouldn’t overlook the fact that they may just be naturally good at these kinds of lifts in general.

If someone took time off, and didn't work out barely at all, he could lose 20+ pounds of lean tissue. He is a short guy and was super ripped, which always makes you look bigger. It possible he was not on gear, but so many athletes are using steroids, it's hard to believe that he wasn't. If he blows up back to his jacked status really quickly, then he is definitely getting saucy. The thing he said about other countries Anti Doping Agencies not being as active in trying to catch their countrymen, that isn't necessarily true. A Chinese Anti Doping Agency or WADA's Chinese officials went to take blood from that superstar swimmer, Sun Yang, and they definitely didn't cover for him, or give him special treatment. I think that they went to his place at like 3am to get blood and when he got pissed off, they left without a sample. He ended up getting suspended for a couple years or something, even though he has never had anything show up in his tests. They are all on PED's, but how is it different than the American's like Carl Lewis, or the Russian's and the Olympics they fixed, which was brilliant. How about in the 1950's where the German government and Olympic coaches were giving Turinabol to all of their athletes and telling them that it was vitamins. A bunch of the women sued the government and won. Canada won more Gold Medals then any other country, probably because of steroids somehow. Now it's China's turn and they are going to run with it until they drop the ball or Anti Doping catches up. All major athletes are using steroids.

It’s like every question Zack Asks he has a spreadsheet of variables ready

We are talking about sports in general, not only weighlifting. Do we really think top tier athletes don't use anything to increase their performances? Nobody believes that. The moneys and prestige for the country involved are beyond every imagination, even with a lot of political implications (strongh athletes = strong country). Drug testes are almost useless: if you know the rules there is always a way to break it, whichever is corrupting, using modified substances not detected by current tests, dosing and timing, or even genic doping why not. It's sad but at the end of the day be on the top it's not only about a person's abilities, but in large part it's about the medical staff and researchers behind the athlete. That said, no one can deny the exceptional abilities of these athletes, especially if we talk about Lu Xiaojun whom I deeply respect.

They may very well be on drugs, but if you do side by side comparisons with the americans, the chinese have better form imo. I mean do a side my side with Lu and Zack, and its clear to see Lu’s form is basically perfect.

He not a you tube tick tock, Instagram goof that's running gear all year long, he's a professional athlete that is taking time off the drugs which is smart.

Clarence made a very good vid on steroinds in weightlifting, wada etc

USADA jokes btw source: ufc pico jon jones incident

everyone is using.. Chinese just lift more its simple

I dunno man, when I see swimming I see a lot of American/Australian flags. So, we're gonna take a look at that, or...?

Which side has more money, science led by capital ventures or science led by budget restraints. We allocate resources in favor of cheating because there is more money in doing so for organizations/athletes/sponsors/big pharma. Knowing this, it certainly feels like a waste of time worrying about drug testing, as if the standards of testing and drug makers will ever be on the same level.

A Chinese Anti Doping Agency or WADA's Chinese officials went to take blood from that superstar swimmer, Sun Yang, and they definitely didn't cover for him, or give him special treatment. I think that they went to his place at like 3am to get blood and when he got pissed off, they left without a sample. He ended up getting suspended for a couple years or something, even though he has never had anything show up in his tests.

There definitely drugs in weightlifting at the same time certain ethnicities do better at certain sports, the general shape of some Asians is optimal for Olympic weightlifting

New Sub, appreciate the channel. I’m 5’10, 228# 1st timer-taking Cjc 1295/Ipamorlen to hopefully trim the spare tire. Workout 3/4x a week, avg diet, protein shake etc.

Can not stop laughing on this video. Accusing better competitors because they are too good.

lol this guy thinks chinese people aren't getting enough food. there was a recent study showing that Chinnese are eating more protein on avg than Americans now...

The Asian men and women athletes compete in both men and women events.

Pushing so hard to imply ped use.. good job Derek being impartial

Zach is getting thicker by the day.

China also has more than 1 billion people and are known for their work ethic so that might be the sole reason instead of also having a chemical advantage.

Crazy how retired LU is tiny af but still squats pretty damn good

Xiaojun just got busted for EPO. As everyone has been saying, they're all on drugs.

You can still do maintenance training to keep most of your muscle mass... this looks like the man had an injury or something with how much weight he's lost.

I want a video on supplements that will help and keep you healthy when going natural. This guy the Chinese guy is recovering from an injury

how it is with long distance running and East African runners holding all the records.

i think its more a case $$$$ rather than undetectable drugs ... every one has their price ... including WADA

Who has the most money and technology to beat the tests? The Americans by far and its not even close

Liked the outro art

He's my rival lol I squat 265 he squats 600 I got a little catching up... lmao

"Heard this from somebody who lives there" you should have shouted out our boy Ramsey Dewey!

if USADA is too hard with scrutiny....why not go after and expose USADA?

Damn, Lu just got caught

atta baby, way to go zack

Is it just me or does this camera angle make them look like they have underbites? LMAO

Maybe China had good weight lifting program. Is not possible? After all, they got a lot of people. They passed all the doping tests. Guilty even if proven otherwise?

let's spend 4 years living with them to see if they are clean. however, only you can tell, others will still questioning you all the time. this is something that only you know it's true when it's true.

when I watched team china in the olympics I was shocked. Their physiques were different from everyone elses and it wasn't even close. Brazenly obvious when you see it 5 different lifters.

my boi Lu

When China is dominant in a field it's worth noting that there is huge resource put into their programmes. Also, Asian people are advantaged in lower weight power lifting by having shorter limbs in general.

Chinese lifters are also lifting for life long monthly payments sponsored by the government. They have more to gain than western lifters .

It’s the don’t ask don’t tell policy ll

"Overarching concurrently that would otherwise...I don't know". Another Derekism!

Why are they talking about test? In weightlifting you have to stay in weight classes, you can gain strength but not weight. I would think stanozolol, turanibol, anavar , halotestin, but not test

4:12 no… that’s not true…😰it… can’t be… 😧

Asian people do have gene-advantage in their natural lower-body strength and mobility like squats, especially the ones who had farmer or working-class ancestors.

It's the power of Chi and Gung Fu

What happend to the do you lift bro?

Let's get to the lab boys

Zack needs to let his guests talk more, jeez. Feels like Derek gets a sentence in once in a blue moon and Zack talks the other 80% of the time

This guy now got busted.

Looking huge bro.

I really like that you emphasize steroids and ignore the long-term hard training of Chinese people Just like: if he's stronger than me, then he must have some problems!

We cannot assume people are clean in USA either . That would be too fuckin naive.

My biggest rebuttal is that you can only work so hard and still recover without taking enhancements. This is what kills the "They just work harder" narrative. I don't care who you are, what your genetics are, beyond a training age of about 2-3 years, more volume is counter productive because you run into recovery limits. When you are also talking about guys who have been training for over 10-15 years, using the better training more volume excuse become impossible. There will be slight variations in genetics, but the Chinese in particular don't stand out as natural large lifters capable of genetically gifted natural strength.

Accusation without evidences