This Mormon needs to stop using Michael Heisers stuff to argue for his nonsense theology! Dr. Heiser is a great trinitarian scholar!

Prayers for your mother’s funeral, Jeff. May you know the Lord’s peace.

Jeff, as a former temple endowed devout Mormon for 34 yrs., I taught many classes that quote prophets and general authorities teaching every word Jeff said the LDS church teaches. Jeff is 💯 correct in his mormon doctrine and the generation coming forth today twist the basic core doctrines to sound more mainstream. I saw it coming when the Im A Mormon campaign started. Those of us who went through the temple before covenants were changed to sound less crazy remember exactly what was said and done. It haunts me to this day. LDS doctrine is far far from biblical. Praise God my eyes were opened. Keep teaching truth Jeff Durban.

Jeff - as a Papist commenter here - please accept my condolences and know of my prayers for you, your family, and your mother and that she may be with Him in Paradise today . Love and peace be with you. Eternal rest grant unto her O Lord. And let perpetual light shine upon her. May the soul of the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace. Amen.

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Love seeing the young man from the debate on the discussion table with you. Keep bringing up the young ones!

Appreciate you guys so much. Great job, keep going.

Pastor Jeff, I pray the Lord will fill you and your family with the peace of the Spirit that surpasses all understanding. Sending you all big hugs.

I pray God holds you and your loved ones close in this time. ❤️😓

Dr. Heiser did an interview with Remnant Radio on theosis. Interesting and helpful for those confused on this.

Praying for tomorrow in Missouri and so sorry to hear about your loss, Jeff. Thank you for doing this video. There is a pastor who has a channel called Hello Saints and his name is pastor Jeff and I wish you would engage him because his way of apologetics is so weak and quite frankly dangerous to other Christians. Grateful that you speak so much truth and I didn't know the meaning behind that scripture "you are gods" until now. Interesting!

Praying for you and your family pastor Jeff may the lord comfort you all in his peace that surpasses all understanding and the glorious promise we have of eternal life ❤

I was once a Mormon. They never could quite comprehend Dr. Heiser's concept of divinities. But they got all excited at his works, thinking that finally there were Christians beginning to think the way that they do.

🙏🏼 God Bless you and the ministry

This is all so amazing! Praise God~ Please pray dear family in Christ for my daughter Alia to come to Christ and my son Elijah to wake up to the times were in.. Thank you so very much beloved family ~ God Bless each and everyone of you ~

Apologia, I love Apologia. I'm thankful for the information bc it has pulled my wife Mormonism. About this video, some talk too much sometimes, disallowing the viewer/ listener to hear the arguments. Let the false preacher/ teacher dig their own grave. Thanks again for your work in the ministry. Have a nice day!

Jeff, thank you for your work and wisdom you bring to the Church. In my past I've held small things against you and I'm sorry. As brothers in christ this may be the only way to reach out to you considering the countless comments and letters you might receive

Please bring an Eastern Orthodox on. I have always been very interested in what they believe.

Very sorry about the loss of your mother. I really appreciated the clarification and tone of this video over the previous one - perhaps that had to do with a very difficult time. I also think Heiser was confusing as I have only watched some of his videos, and could rarely understand his overall point, and I feel like I'm not totally dense. 😅. To be most charitable I think perhaps he wanted Christians to understand supernatural powers were part of God's council and to show us we will also reign with God. I just probably need to read his book. Biblical exaltation is such a beautiful doctrine. Mormon exaltation heresy just doesn't compare. I would love to see a series on that, various Christian views of theosis, and biblical angelogy and demonology, either in comparison with Mormonism or on its own. Thanks for the video recommendations; I will check them out. Mormons are missing so much from scripture. Thanks also for the explanation on Psalm 82. My personal view is that sons of God or elohim refer to rulers and princes including in Genesis 6:2. (The text is possibly referring to polygamous actions of human kings to gain power. I think this one of Satan's favorite lies as it is a lie that contradicts Christ as the bridegroom with ONE bride. What did Mormons practice?) Psalm 82 possibly has a double meaning of both human and heavenly evil princes. Jesus condemns them in John 10 for judging wrongly. I finally have an understanding of what Jesus was fully saying, thank you. He was saying the scriptures do not rule out other heavenly rulers so you are too quick in your theology to dismiss me. But yet he makes clear how He is God. He is explaining that they should have anticipated how God could reveal Himself further. Jesus is Yahweh. Psalm 110 just totally refutes Mormon doctrine about Yahweh, and shows the Father is Yahweh. Each person of the Trinity is Yahweh - Deuteronomy 12:6 shows the Holy Spirit is Yahweh.

I pray and hope everyone can find the truth, and be lead to the real church of Christ and his pure doctrinal teachings.

I love these videos. I love your sermons. I only hope that someone scoots over to give me a seat at the table though (like literally move over and make a spot for me to sit down at service). God bless.

I subbed when you had 36000 peeps. You're blessed Jrff. Apologia is kickin it

Pastor Jeff Durbin is an extremely intelligent man with an incredible attention to detail. The point being is that his level of intelligence is not necessary to completely debunk and refute Mormonism, any 12 year old Sunday school student is capable of this task. And at the risk of redundancy, has anyone heard of DNA, this completely and irrefutably exposes the book of Mormon as a childish fairy tale

Michael Heiser: God, says there are other Elohim but there are no Elohim like Him. We love Heiser! Pancreatic stage 4 cancer. He went home on February 20, 2023

Heiser never claimed it was new - in fact, the opposite - but it hasn't been taught in a lot of churches today. If I remember correctly, he was either doing his doctorate, or had finished it already, before he came across it, so even a lot of Bible colleges haven't been teaching it.

I loved this episode just like I love everything ya'll do. But to be fair to Dr. Heiser, his teachings on the unseen realm were rather revolutionary and unheard of for my family and the kinds of circles I grew up in. Both of my parents went to a Bible collage and my dad is a pastor and neither had known about the things the late doctor spoke of, and like everything else, when Mom got into studying it, became a topic of debate between the two. All I'm saying is, maybe you happened to have the right Bible collage but possibly most of the average lay people (and potentially elders and pastors as well) weren't as educated in the things Heiser taught and were truly surprised and edified by his teachings. Keep up the great work you guys! Soli Deo Gloria!

Jacob probably used Michael Heiser simply because he's dead now and cannot come back and refute what this guy is suggesting he said. Prayers for you and your family, Jeff. Love you brother.

This gives me flahbacks of my back-and-forths with LSD missionaries in college. Eventually i figured out that behind the nice, friendly maks they are fundamentally dishonest

Also Re: Mike Heiser- he never said anything he was teaching was new- in fact he often said that he’d never had an original idea- he just made his own work & the work of other academic scholars available to the rest of us- “Middle Earth “ as he liked to say 😉

Shout out to Missouri! Home state here in south St. Louis! Praise God

May your mother rest in peace with Christ!

When I've discussed the "gods" in Psalm 82 and John 10 with Mormons, and bring up that they die, the response is often that it is somehow good to die so that we progress...to become gods and goddesses. It does not seem to undo their beliefs about themselves becoming gods and goddesses. Especially widows and widowers who do not want to let go of becoming gods with their departed spouse when they die.

I’ve always had a problem understanding Heiser especially the opening chapter of Unseen Realm. I think the word “sloppy” is perfect because he actually can be very confusing.

The strength of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is so strong that there is only one tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the position of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If Catholics are right, the LDS Church is wrong; if The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are right, the Catholics are wrong; and that's all there is to it. The Protestants haven't a leg to stand on. For, if the Catholics are wrong, they are wrong with us, since they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If Catholics have apostolic succession from St Peter, as we claim, there is no need of Joseph Smith and the Restoration; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and the LDS Church's attitude is the consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the gospel from ancient times, or the Restoration of the gospel in latter days.

I just wanted to throw out there, could mike be taken out of context if you don't understand his full belief? Yes. But so can anyone, I'm not super familiar with all of his works, but when I read unseen realm, it was new and mind blowing to me… I think he did a great job of spelling out what is misunderstood by the common Christian. I don't think sloppy is quite the right term… but I get what you mean, easily taken out of context, but he is dealing with an issue that we don't really have clear wording to fully explain in english. Btw his FringePop321 channel is going to continue with, dang it, I can't remember his name right away, the dude with the barret that he had on there quite a bit, great stuff on there. Great stuff on your channel too brother Jeff, be seeing you tomorrow in ol JCMO

I think Genesis 3:4-5 also touches the "godliness" of men issue. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:4‭-‬5 KJV New dogs, old tricks

Had these pre-mormons (who were Christians) been adequately familiar with Scripture they would have heeded all the various warnings about false prophets, false doctrine, and false signs; they would have promptly tarred and feathered Joseph Smith on the spot...

Two things, No. 1- Citing Heiser's work for the latter day saint, is certainly problematic. Heiser both was and I'd say IS a trinitarian. As stated by Jeff, Heiser's works demonstrate the trinity even in the old testament. Heiser's work also affirms that Yahweh was "species unique" and that He alone is eternal (uncreated) omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Those Isaiah passages not only talk about one God, but they demonstrate God's uniqueness by showing that the gods of the other nations don't have the power He does. Because those gods are created beings and limited in power. To use Heiser's work to try to bring credibility to something that is completely contrary to what Heiser believed in his theology is definitely an abuse to what he actually said. No. 2- I've thought for a while now that there would be a bit of a clash between Heiser's works and Apologia. Yes he is a trinitarian and while I would not agree with Jeff's assessment that he was "sloppy" I would say that Heiser was not direct enough in his statements to help prevent people like Jacob from misusing his teachings. I would also say that while there are plenty of basic things Heiser pushes and gives the impression that they are ground breaking work, when in fact many Christians already knew of and taught these things, (ex. Genesis 6 sons of God, daughters of men view). I would encourage Apologia, in particular to look at Heiser's teachings on Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32:8-9. I'd love to here a more comprehensive analysis of what you all think of his teachings of the divine council worldview and think it would be great if Dr. White was also involved in that analysis. Heiser is also fairly critical of Calvinism and uses his view of the divine council and man being made in the image of God as being a means for man to have complete autonomous free will. His view of Genesis 1:26-28 is a non trinitarian view and I believe is the foundation for his soteriological views. I'm also not big on Heisers "believing loyalty" doctrine. While certain aspects of it are biblical, its application is contrary, I'd say, to the idea of perseverance of the saints. In a nutshell, Heiser teaches that believing loyalty, is our ability to stay in belief and that is what perseveres us to the end, as opposed to the work of God alone. I'd love to hear Jeff or Dr. White interact with that teaching specifically. If there is even an already existing episode of Apologia or the Dividing Line that deals with some of these things, I'd love to get a link to that. As a "heads-up" I would also say that there are many Heiser followers out there and they can be very critical of those who have much of anything to say that could possibly be negative towards his work. Simply from calling him "sloppy" could have some negative backlash. I doubt Jeff would be at all intimidated by that, but as a supporter of you all thats my heads up. I think Michael Heiser was an actual Christian, who loved God, and sought to be a blessing to the saints of God in the work that he left behind. I don't know that anyone from Apologia will actually see or read this post, but would love some interaction on some level of these issues. I think having a comprehensive knowledge of Heiser's work will help us all in our interactions with both fellow believers and unbelievers as well.

I think hieser presenting the subject as revelatory is valid. Maybe not to someone who went to college but for the average Christian in the context of average western Christian exposition, hearing what he had to say was definitely different than what most are taught. IMHO

This is good stuff. You can actually use the whole chapter of isaiah 44 and not just that one verse, in that chapter idolatry and other Gods are two different separated distinct sections. The first section is about no other Gods, no idolatry

Heiser was a great man. He took great issue with the "free will" subject but aside from that and a few opinions about women preaching he was AMAZING. Its so amazing knowing he is sharing in Gods glory with all of the saints. Just an amazing person

❤ Michael Heiser

that fit for a king shirt though!!!🤝

Talk about sleight of hand. Jeff, Jacob didn’t use heiser’s quote to prove he is not a trinitarian. He used it to show that the particular passages discussed were “not statements of denial, but boasts of incomparability”. Heiser can believe that and still believe in the trinity. Either way the concept that the scriptures discussed are statements of incomparability as heiser clearly taught supports Jacob’s case.

It’s hard to hear someone to say “this is basic Bible school” when us ex-Mormons or even newly born again Christians don’t know this stuff about being species unique. Glad I’m aware of it all now though

18:21 What you came for.

Theosis is derived from the greek word, "God", so the literal definition of theosis is "Being made God". No if there is a more narrow belief unique to Eastern Orthodox theology, then that needs to be clarified. I believe Jacob was referring to the exact definition of theosis, not the eastern orthodox theosis doctrine.

In order for Jacob to pull his clip he used he, had to go look for it. He is knowingly mis-representing Micheal.

The video title “Jeff Durbin dEsTrOyEd by Misrepresentation, Lies, and Logical Fallacy” doesn’t have the same clickbait efficiency.

Low key sounds like you're hating on brother Heiser a bit. I think it's great that he brought some of these things up in a big way for better discussions! Give him some credit bro!

Jeff you’re being a little unfair to Heiser in this. You said he was acting like he discovered this and that it was new. He has specifically stated that none of what he has popularized is new information. He has stated that he saw himself as a synthesizer. Someone that takes this information and can bring it to a lay audience.

Well, Dr Heiser did state several times this isn't new info or his info, but others info he combined and focused on. But, yes, I agree with you Jeff. Being a former mormon myself, your videos really helped me transition out of the cult. So thank you

There is only one omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being. The king of the jungle is a cat, but not all cats are the king of the jungle.

@apologia studios... i love you guys but please can you work on your video naming. Either link all parts in the video information section or use part x of xx in the names. Its very difficult to find the next parts of your videos as they have different names and no links.

You are the Taylor Swift version of religion. Someone says anything critical of you and you have to write a new "album"

Hey Go pack Go! Thanks brotha Daniel for acknowledging the cheese heads, you are correct, the Packers are the best😅

I like Heiser a lot and i think a ton of his work is helpful for people who hadnt really ever looked at the text and never thought about some of the language differences. I think him being "sloppy" is a result of his seminars being hours long, spanning huge lengths within the bible and discussing topics about the spiritual realm - its his way of teaching to sort of be fluid and having overlaps. taking him out of context is the sloppy part. likely a googles search pulled the results they wanted and used it for their argument without fully understanding the doctrine.

Jeff I don't agree with you on the stance of theism but you are spot on with Jacob and mormonism

Mormons, like Jacob, have to quote mine and cherry-pick because their position has nothing to work off of. Nobody agrees with them aside from other Mormon apologists. This sort of behavior is something they bring into all kinds of fields. You should see how they do this to historians when they try to prove the Mayans/Mesoamericans were descendent of the Nephites. It’s just as bad. This happens when a 19th-century religion doesn’t stop its charades. We get a bunch of folks like Jacob who are desperately trying to stay relevant.

40 + Mormon was involved in the most serious level’s looking to be free and don’t know how to totally be saved … maybe I can’t I don’t know

Heiser doesnt agree with Durbin's interpretation of the Isaiah passages concerning God. As Heiser points out from the bible.

How about having Jacob on the show??

Condolences…

I think Jacob is invoking Heiser because of his answer to "none other before me", not because Jacob thinks Heiser believes in multiple Gods of the same species as Jehovah. I think you're sidestepping the real issue, which is, what does the phrase "none other before me" really mean? The scriptures Heiser brought up seem to demonstrate that the phrase left room for other Gods, as that phrase left room for other cities when used in a slightly different situation.

I watched just one of Heisers vids and knew immediately where he stood on the topic. He quotes out of total context of a deceased man that cannot refute him on it. Prayers the Mormon does just exactly that. Take the video down apologize and repent of his false religious beliefs and comes to the only Gospel that saves.

Will you be reviewing Thoughtful Faith's part 3? I think there is a lot of good content there to address. I'm so sorry about your mom's passing Jeff. Prayers for you and your family!

Heiser wasn't sloppy bro. He was right on point. If anybody misunderstood what he said it's because they have a low IQ. In fact he actually made it very simple to understand what he was saying. He couldn't have broken it down any clearer than if he had drawn pictures with crayons. I'm not really sure what you're looking for here except maybe to bash the man now that he's passed on. Pretty weak approach there Jeff.

I don’t believe Heiser was sloppy. His own experience in seminary was different than yours. As a lay person who likes to read Heiser and Justen to those who know the history and language, I know this, but I can guarantee you that what Heiser taught is not common knowledge in many evangelical or Protestant churches today. Other than that, great video!

Heiser was sloppy??? Jeff’s arrogance knows no bounds.

You can really drop the background music. It’s just emotional manipulation. And I’m a Christ follower and a fan of Apologia. 😊

A good question to ask would be: If God was The Only True God in the way Christians mean it, what could He say to demonstrate that? Because the epistemic system Jacob set up is just one where even if there were only One God, nobody could be able to know because all these verses can just be reinterpreted.

My only complaint so far has been Luke misidentifying Katakana as Kanji. Kanji are the chinese characters/symbols (i.e. 学校) and katakana is a writing system that nowadays is primarily used for writing foreign loan words (America - アメリカ). Incidentally you can have a combination of both (American - アメリカ人 - Amerika-jin). Jeff's shirt (ミッキーマウス) transliterated says "Mikkii Mausu", the dash being an extension of the i-vowel and the small ツ makes the k sound a double consonant which basically means you put a phonetic stop there. In musical terms, all consonant-vowel combinations are treated with one value (quarter note for example), and a dash or double consonant gets treated like twice that value instead of a quarter note they would be treated as a half note. I realize all that is way off topic, but I've been enjoying this and the last video tremendously. Between you guys and Dr. White, I've probably gotten a better understanding of Mormonism and JWs than from anything I ever learned in church or college when the issue comes up. Keep up the good work and God bless.

It can be in no way surprising that a Mormon apologist would dig up an evangelical scholar who explains OT exegesis and takes it out of context to prove false LDS theology. #ifItQuacks

Elohim, singular Eloah (Hebrew: God). This term is a plural majesty. "Elohim" is used at times for other deities and majestic beings such as angels, kings, and judges. However, it is usually employed in the Old Testament for the one and only God of Israel, whose personal name was revealed to Moses as YHWH. When referring to Yahweh, Elohim very often is accompanied by the article "ha'" to mean, the "God." Though it is plural in form it is understood in the singular sense. Thus, Elohim is monotheistic in connotation though its grammatical construction appears polytheistic. The Israelites likely borrowed this name from the Canaanites but changed its meaning when they used the term for Yahweh. This is basic "Introduction to the Old Testament" information found in most seminary text books of different Christian faiths. This Mormon apologist simply has not done his homework in advance. I have noticed that most Mormon apologists do not have academic credentials in the disciplines of biblical studies, original languages such as Hebrew, Aramaic, or Koine Greek, biblical theology, church history, Patristics, polemics, apologetics, or even philosophy. Most of them major in communication or some other non-religious program of study. I have noticed this tendency is a severe weakness in their overall LDS apologetics.

If they read unseen realm they would know what he believes, there is no other god in the book of Enoch

Id like to know what Jeffs disagreements with Heiser are in dumbed down terms before i read Heisers book the unseen realm.

The Athanasian Creed places Jeff Durbin's soul in jeopardy of perishing everlastingly. "Whoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled (Calvinism defiles it) without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. "

so durbin explain what heiser means?

why dont you debate Jacob Jeff?

“Praise him above, ye heav’nly host.” Its right there in the doxology. There are heavenly host that will praise the most high God.

What is the Equal Protection bill number being heard in Missouri?

They change up Michael Heiser all the time , while I disagree with Heiser and the sons of God, but they think Heiser psalm 82 is saying there are multiple gods, not that these were angels and the divine council

I love Michael Hieser’s books, but I do agree he definitely could have, and should have been more clear about the irrefutable truth of THE TRINTY! I too was occasionally thrown off tract when reading his books , because it seemed as though he was going down another path, however, I read enough of his stuff to know he was indeed Trinitarian.

Why not do this: invite BOTH Jacob and an Eastern Orthodox minister. That would be a more meaningful discussion than attacking him from a distance.

Jeff thinks all Christians attend Bible college. We are not as cool as you man. Unseen realm is a great book.

Having watched both videos. Why don’t these guys stop creating reaction videos and just meet up and debate. Jeff has done several of debates with diverse people. Jacob has done a few himself. Both ought to be open to it right!? Give the people what they want! A formal debate!

The Eastern Orthodox have a great emphasis on theosis but I know Roman Catholics and Lutherans have similar doctrines about salvation as participation. I'm not sure what other denominations think or teach on the topic.

Sounds like Santa and the Easter bunny debating about the amount of money the tooth fairy should leave

21:28 struggling . okay? micheal hieser whats wrong? its not like you use the journal of discourses and king follet discourses of joseph smith going to missionaries people dont complain about that how funny and you are here complaining? 1. misrepresentation. 2. 3. redefinitions.

jeff why dont you debate jacob urself because if your reacting to all of this do a big deabte a couple of your guys or just you with jacob and a couple of his guys or just you settle it instead of being girls and responding to eachother videos.

Hansen really wants to become a God someday. What a Pharisee in his fitted suit and his conflating of the Bible. You will never make it dude.

There is no God but one but Yet Jesus is God and the father is God and yet Jesus is not the father?

Pastor Jeff. I don't come here too often, but I am sorry to hear about your mother. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Apologetic Mormons as you described us). First of all I do not claim to be a bible scholar by any means. But I do understand what we are striving for in this life. To get along with and love our neighbors and return to our Heavenly Father to live with him and our families forever. I believe (just me) that when you are talking about such a sacred and controversial thing like the Godhead and whether there are more than one God that you could stand to be a little less condescending to us. You are coming from a complete different perspective than us. You went to college and studied hard and were able to graduate and become a Pastor and I commend you. What you studied in college is how bible scholars have interpreted and taught the scriptures for thousands of years now. Don't you think that they may have misinterpreted certain parts of the scriptures. Many books have been removed from the original scriptures that these bible scholars have deemed not worthy of being included in the bible. Were there mistakes in them? Did they just not like them? And could there be mistakes in the bible books that we have in our bible today. Or am I wrong about why the books were removed? Also look at all the different Bibles that have come out recently. Why the difference? People/scholars just trying to help us understand the word of God? And perhaps some whose selfish motives were influenced by what they think the bible says without praying about it? There is only one sure source of the truth and that is from God himself. We have to put aside our pride and prejudices and ask him in fervent prayer. I understand that that is hard for some people like yourself who has studied so hard to become so fluent in today's theology. But have you read the Book of Mormon or the Pearl of Great Price or the The Doctrines and Covenants? These along with the Bible are our scripture base. The former 3 books mentioned were translated by the gift of God through Joseph Smith who had prayed with all his heart when he was 15 years old about which church to join and received a visit from God the Father "and" Jesus Christ in answer to his prayer. He was told that none of them are right. They teach many truths, but deny the power thereof, These books explain the plurality of Gods that you are discussing here. But I submit to you that it serves no purpose in arguing these things unless you can understand our perspective. And I'll give you that your perspective on the bible is deeper than mine. But at least read in the last book in the Book of Mormon. Moroni 10:3-5. 3 Verses. Now to follow the advice of a certain Pastor Jeff, I could challenge you to take down your podcast if you do the homework by reading these books and come to fully understand our perspective. But I won't. Again, condolences for losing your mother. But I'm sure we can both agree that you will see her again.

Jeff do you even realize the awful things Walt Disney was known for?....

Mormons Are Christians Jeff you’re taking a lot of liberty in your interpretation of Heisers words here. Heiser clearly admits that when interpreted correctly the way the Old Testament people commonly used these words that they aren’t talking about there being no other gods but that they meant that God is incomparable to other gods. That’s a distinctly different way of interpreting the scripture from the way you try to beat Mormons with that scripture in Isaiah 43:10 for example. To say that LDS Members worship a different God than you do because he is before and there where none after like in Isaiah is not the way Heiser interprets that kind of text. According to Heiser the Scriptures are saying that god is incomparable to other gods NOT that there aren’t other True Gods or Heavenly beings. Mormons can agree with Heisers interpretation here though we wouldn’t go as far as saying god is a unique species because the Bible doesn’t explicitly say that. We believe that God is incomparable and that he is different from us because he is our father and the creator. None of us are the creator or the father of everything like God. Only God is the Master of the universe and if we become perfect gods see psalms 82:6 and mathew 5:48 then we are still not God the father and creator of this universe. Basically you need to Offer some more grace and room for interpretation of these Scriptures apart from your own selective ridged interpretation which Heiser says shouldn’t even be used the way you use it because that is incorrect in how they used language in those days. Mormons can therefore believe in the true and only God that the Bible speaks of and also believe there are other Gods and that we can become like god and also believe in the same Jesus Christ the Bible teaches. So you need to send an apology to All the Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and admit that Mormons are Christians. Your being extremely offensive when you state otherwise and you are being unchristian sir.

What do you think of hello saints?

Oh i thought you guys were going to say sonething new. And it is laughable. The bible was written in hebrew. And even Dennis of prager u whonis jewish knows that manythings in the bible were not written correctly because it was retranslated so many times. Many things were left out. Stop it.

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ミッキーマウス　 Luke, you are wrong. There is NO kanji for Mickey Mouse. It is カタカナ　katakana. I've lived in Japan for over 25 years.

its funny to me that jeff durbin did not even react after just meet up ! martin tanner first of all destroyed james white. james white lost to brown. horn. flower. just why dont all of you all meet up its not hard. and get don bradley in here to lds historian jacob get martin tanner get james white get jeff and ur guys and discuss everything people tend to dance around questions and run or hide or make videos not even referencing it so that is my ask.