What bike has more power than this?

I'd like to see a Wired 60V bike tested.

Not to open a can of worms but I believe that battery voltage and current should be included in the testing it wouldn’t be too hard to do with a DVOM and a clamp on amp meter. Much more information to calculate controller efficiency, optimal gear ratios for battery life / extended range. Anyways love the channel great content !!!!

its hard to see here without an x-axis annotation, but it appears that max power is in the 8 to 15 mph range. For most riders, this is the maximum usability range. A trip to the store and someone is not paying attention: This is when you want to twist the throttle and feel the results. If you want to trade that for more speed, use a smaller rear sprocket. However, most of us don't haul our bikes to the track and back to the garage. Its like horses, plow or race, different needs.

I agree with most other people that it seems perfect for typical ebike use, e.g. its better geared for hills over speed. Besides 40mph gets a bit sketchy anyway. Crazy design

Id say the gearing is perfect. Off the line torque is important for a bike with that much weight and single speed primary drive. You don't really need to be going 40 mph on a fat bike 😳 and hill climbing would be miserable with taller gears.

Maybe only a new Wired Freedom or Fabulous Road Warrior can match that torque and speed. But the Road Warrior has dual Hubs. Or Amp Rides 1500 watt rear hub might match it close.

This would be much more interesting combined with a road test.

Even the dog wanted to see the dyno results.

I recently received this same eBike and I couldn't be more pleased with its performance. Nothing climbs like it and for the price it's hard to beat. Thanks Biktrix ❤

Peace be with you! The Future of eBikes! Thank you for this🙏

Again amazed now I want to see the brand bikes and each of their performances. Upgraded controllers and batteries and what that provides as far as increases.

I have rhe Eagle 2 XD for hunting. I got the upgraded 25 AH battery and the battery life has been great so far. Id argue the point of the XD system is not the torque over its competitors. But rather the dramatically improved durability of the drivetrain. Huge motorcycle sprockets and a Go Kart chain. Its not wearing out anytime soon. Great video man

Don't let that doggie stand there.

Im curious how a wired would do. If display is right, says upwards of 2300 watts at times. I hope Wired sees this and lets you run one. Cool video seeing real numbers not made up stuff! TY

Does the challenge include custom bikes? A personal friend has a Spark Cycleworks Bandit that will do a verified 91mph 😉 I think the bike that you have helped me with in the past would come pretty close to this. It now has a 96amp controller and an internally modified Bafang that peaks at 3,000 watts. I climbed a 34% toboggan run with it yesterday, and had to lean over the handlebars to keep the front wheel on the ground, lol.

More please 🙏 Thank you 😊

I build a powerful mounting e-bike using cyc X1 pro gen 3 on Trek Marlin 6, with a 52 volt battery, I can reach 45 mph, and 3500W with an X6 stock controller, torque sensor, the best app interface, cyc claim this has 200nm of torque, I'm very interested to see the fact result on the dyno for cyc X1 pro or the other two model they have. Great videos keep up the, you are original

Nice review and tests. Our High Drive system can easily compete and likely beat the Biktrix on all metrics but our bikes are far less weight.

I would like to see what kind of readings the FLX blade 2.0 would get on your dyno test machine.

I blown away you have dyno for bikes... love it

Just a little note to consider, Canadians like to be associated with beer and whisky, not maple syrup.

Always nice to see progress , but long way from bafang bbs02 motor.

Biktrix makes a great bike, I have one, and my favorite

Your dog seems to like the bike 😊

I'd like to see some tests on the touted "250W" European mid-drive motors, like Bosch etc. Some of their claims are exaggerated.

I am puzzled by the statements about left & right sides having separate drives, so it seems you said, as if one side goes through the chain to derrailleur & the other direct to the rear hub somehow. I couldn't tell from the low resolution, quick look picture(s).

I wish we had a dyno like this when designing and building the bikes.

Great thing about Chinese made ebikes, Affordable and allowed the general public to adopt to them and made it so popular today. These bike's prices are crazy

My question is this type of motor better or two hub motors? I’d like a bike for off-road but might need to drag some gear along. I’m a mechanic but I’ve no experience with EBikes. I just like the idea I can go places they won’t let a gas bike go. What should I look to start with a kit or something else?

My Bafang 620 is rated at 1000W, 160NM and uses the gears on the cassette. Any comparison? I tried to find the best climber with a type 2 Ebike sticker. I imagine that 2-2/3 HP is a bit much for the tiny chains driving the typical cassette and a proper strength one would not fit the cassette. Why not put 2-2/3 HP in a hub drive if you are only using one gear and skip the expensive mid drive and extra heavy chain?. Maybe that is a big engineering problem. I would like to see road tests for climbing or see you come up with a way to add resistance to your tester to see if the torque curve will spread out under load.

I dyno’d dozens, maybe hundreds of dirt bikes on a Dynojet from 1994-2006. Installing a street tire makes an enormous improvement compared to a knobby, or even a trials tire. We ALWAYS installed a street tire. Gearing made very little difference on these 2&4 stroke engines, which have a “power band”. I assume it would matter even less on an electric motor.

I think a lot of us were worried your dog was going to end up as a popped down pillow.

Here's the ballpark determined for a related question examined on Endless-Sphere forum years ago. You'd need a motor/controller/battery/drivetrain that could handle 1000+ Amps, just to get 750 Watts @ 1 RPM. Most ebikes don't make full 'legal' power at take-off.

I've been thinking of getting the AREA13 freewheel tool! My wife's bike bike has a SUTTO branded 500W hub motor that has the same plug as my 750W BAFANG RM G0900.750.D/DC. But her bike's motor cable does route through the freewheel. The Area13 web page does not seem to list the clearance of the tool (how many mm is the opening/hole?)

I've been recently researching Ebikes and wow!

Love what you're doing with the dyno. I'd definitely gear the Biktrix up, but how? Is the left side chainring and cog ordinary bicycle parts? The left side chain certainly is not a bicycle chain. Is the chain pitch the same as a bicycle?

10:00 Kyle you need the battery voltage and current --power would make a good addition to your screen

I just checked the price on Google, almost $6000. It is almost the price of a motorcycle.

i would love to see how the ristretto 512 fairs against this, given they’re using a cyc mid drive

Re-gear is a must !!! Putting that much power to the ground in the dirt and snow needs to be tamed

Could build that for a fraction of the cost using a 415 chain, put a sprocket on the rear wheel the same way they do with the 2 Stokes,

In your opinion, would the XD be capable of towing a 400lb trailer up long mountain pass's in Washington, Oregon and California? I think this bike can do it? I would have 2 batteries but using one at a time while the 2nd battery charges using solar.

Would like to see you test a bike with a cyc gen 3 pro with the x12 controller.

More power, torque and speed drains the battery faster. What kind of range will this powerful ebike get? My 300w 36v 20amper hr batt. ebike will go 105mi at 15mph, 54mi at 21mph and 35mi at 28mph (max speed).

80 nm seems low ? i see others rated way over 100nm i commonly see 160nm while shopping around . am I missing something ?

Pretty insane! 😁

🎉 Excellent...and a great way to grow your business. My last employer had a Test Kitchen that we maintained and arranged where possible for Any Mfg come in and test their formulas and refining their products. Tony even bought a Flash Freezer...Freezer for a specific customer. We had another edge as Tony and his father...sole owners between them hold 65 Patents for Large Scale Food Processing Equipment. We make or made, 99.9 percent of all crispy Taco Shells. It doesn't mater whos name is on the box the shell were from raw corn to crispy shells went through our machinery. The Taco fryer puts out 50k taco shells an hour. Of course thats just one item, one system, one basic part as a whole. We made a large potion of Potato chip cookers, roasting ovens...its a fairly big concern 3 continent's 6 Mfg Facilities, 5 divisions in the US. Plus Tony did or has for years setting up virtical integration with the purchase over the years of outside parts suppliers and their Mfg.

How would you Dyno my Defender S pro from Eunorau ? It’s got all wheel drive, so do you just double the figures for a 750 w Bafang ? Thanks for the recommendation in your video for defendending Kevin’s Defender 😊 Mine loves to run on the dunes 😂

Good throttle only too.. Nice!

One thing that I either missed or you didnt mention this time (which I think is important )is the nominal voltage of the battery. This ,to me,b is important relating toi top speed as well as the economics of buying batteries when comparing motors. Also I have a dumb q1uestion. I* neve3r4 run out of dumb questions. How much of the sound during the dyno run was due to the motor and how much from knobby tire?

Putting a larger gear will lower your torque and increase your speed . If you put a cassette of gears you would have different choices of torque vs speed but the motor torque might break your chain or cassette . Since the drive is on opposite side from gears side , that's not an option. Taking off fast with a larger sprocket will put more stress on the chain and maybe cause it to break.

Have you tested the Wired Freedom?

I think a lot of ebikes are demonstrated on KZfaq at more watts. Not that they are street legal. The Aipas A8 mid-drive eTrike is rated at 130 NM, but I suspect that mid-drive eBikes give a false NM torque, giving the torque through the lowest derailleur gear. It seems common for mid-drive eBikes to have specs with higher NM than hub motor eBikes -- I assume becs of listing the torque through the lowest gear

I just finished up my lighting Rods mid drive. 12,000 watt . 126v / 400amp. It’s a hand full. Would like to share a few pictures. But don’t know how on KZfaq. I do have a cargo bike I’m building now for my home in turkey. It’s a qs 205 5T hub with about 185nm. 100.8v. Battery is 5.3kwh. I’m a power junkie for sure. Not sure how to email you. But if you want more information? Let me know. Great video.

powerful and fast BUT: Around $1,000 overpriced, A HARD TAIL with that much power is a dangerous butt buster, and you get the same performance with a bafang ultra combined with a 1500 watt rear hub motor on a single throttle for about $1500 less in cost.

I almost can't believe it's a bicycle... I still want my spaceship though.

A counterpoint or at least adjunct worth mentioning.... I have a lot of experience with BBSHD both in stock form and hotrodded. One can extract 'a lot more' power out of BBSHD by virtue of its design robustness and the different available controllers that can push more amps through it than this motor which is more an unknown to get more than 2000 watts. An unmodified BBSHD can tolerate 4000 watts with a controller change and be 'a lot' faster than this stock bike and not a lot of money with a donor bike. . For those unfamiliar, Watts = Volts X Amps. Even in stock form, A BBSHD with stock 30 amp controller will put out 1700w peak and on the right bike hit close to 40mph with adequate gearing and right rider. For those who want to turn their ebike more into a motorcycle, the BBSHD can take 50 amps because it is such an overdesigned motor with tens of thousands of miles in the field with owners that never open them up to replace parts.unlike CYC's dubious reliability record in stark contrast. Yes, some maybe surprised the Chinese are beating German engineering and well undercutting them in price. With 4000 watts, A BBSHD can do 50 mph. All you need is a good strong 72v battery with 60a BMS or so and an aftermarket controller. Nobody knows if this Bitrix motor in this video can sustain 4000 watts reliably. Heat is the enemy and armature and stator mass matter...why the CYC Photon for example can take the watts the BBSHD can...the BBSHD is a larger heat sink. For those who want the best bang for buck fast ebike, build it. Mant tutorials available on youtube helping the home builder. Best of health Kyle and great to see you making videos.

Nice!! I am not a fan of mid drive , but this one needs a second look!!

This is amazing!

Can you test the Aniioki AQ 1777 bike

Just to be clear: torque sensors are not included in the results of motor torque. Muscle power isn’t included in these results. Many analog bike riders still confuse e bikes with regular bikes.

slap a rear suspension on that guy and we'll be all set up!

Awesome!

When watching this on KZfaq, your audio is really low. Was that way in the last one too

i will have to check out your other dyno tests.. i have seen a couple bikes that say that they have 120 nm of torque..

Now that's a fast ebike wow

Should you not be using a fan to assist with the cooling during these tests?

Our F-TRIKE is breaking TRUCK HUBS!! The FLYWHEEL TRIKE is human powered with a 72 volt golf cart motor used to start up the driveline. The F-TRIKE has 22 inch car rims mounted on a heavy steel frame with a 2 inch tow hitch. We can pull a 4,000LB trailer. The F-TRIKE weighs about 2,000LBS empty. 💣💣💥💥

Pedals as a generator Bost for over drive etc.

My new Gotrax R2 does 100km in pedal assist 2 has a 48v 500w Bafang is this normal the boot says Tao Tao motors ???

Any chance you could do a dyno test on a Wired Freedom..?

Does this "mid-drive" motor use bike's gearing or it's only using its own chain and sprocket? If it's not using the gearing, probably many would prefer a hub motor.

Can you just stick to metric system? You already use kW for power so why not use Nm for torque at the same time?

I'm thinking designers should focus on heat dissipation than performance. Cause how you gonna be giving such power motors yet over heats and then you LOSE performance?

I bought the Biktrix Juggernaut 1000 from you a year and a half ago. It is the best bike I have ever had. Now you have another Biktrix that has a more powerful motor? Can my bike be upgraded and what would the cost be? Thanks, Kyle, great video.

I need a tut on balancing your rim with a fat tire 26"...

E-bikes are redeveloping into motorcycles in some cases, in unrelated converting a freewheel motor plate to a cassette body plate, do you have access to the plate i see alot of the middrive ebikes destroying 11/12 tooth gear. i know you can repace that gear on the freewheel but it does not solve the issue, there are more choices if you upgrade to an 8speed cassette and better quality

lightningrods? modded bbshd?

That split-roller chain looks sketchy.

I've got to tell my brother about this video!!!

R22 Everest edition beats this. I am glad someone besides optibike now makes their own motor!

@Area13ebikes, do you allow in this comment section any links that i can get permission to share here,man has built his own type of bike

That bike should be test in actual with load, that will be the accurate testing to obtain the maximum speed.

How much does it cost

Just wow top rpm crazy

very interesting but out of my price league

I can't imagine needing more torque or speed than my Bafang 060 750 delivers, but I ride straight and level tarmac only with an occasional hill. If I were street riding in San Fran or riding gravel, I'd probably want the torque but not necessarily the speed. This is due to having unbalanced 26x4.0 tires and frames that are questionable about handling a high torque/speed motor, or just the fact that high speeds are truly unsafe and arguably illegal in most places. BE AWARE of the pitfalls of ever-increasing power!

How to buy

How much?

try a bafang ultra 160 nm torque.

Have you dnyo tested the Wired ebike?

How can I purchase one of these mid drive babies?😅 id like to put it on one of mine and see what she does 😊

🎉 BRAVO BIKTRIX!! For manufacturing in North America!!😮😮🎉🎉😊

half the people leave because no horsepower rating. should be included by now with all electric bikes.

Please test a Nireeka Mega or a Cyrusher Ranger 2.0 . not much is known about the Nireeka Mega the videos are soo unfulfilling.

Put a rholoff speed hub on it and now you have gears with the motor.

What about the other gears ?

I have to say Cyclone 6000w 500 Nwt torque Another level

You gave its torque in "foot pounds". Should this not be "pounds feet" since "foot pounds" is actually a measurement of work not torque?