Now this is the revolution I was waiting for. No more bent or torn off derailleurs, no more chain and cassette cleaning after a muddy ride, no more chain lubing and fussing over drivetrain service and finally possibility to shift under load with a gearbox. We need this on all ebikes, it's high time to say goodbye cassette!

This is some awesome tech, game changing even! I'd like to comment specifically on the belt: I have a Pinion Gearbox on my hardtail MTB with a Gates Carbon belt. I also have a single speed MTB with a Gates belt, and they have both been great. The belts last about 3 times as long as a chain. They are built to automotive standards. However, the fibers are arranged to be strong lengthwise, not necessarily widthwise. So when handling the belts, you need to be somewhat careful with them. Folding them, prying them into place, twisting them while in place, or banging them into rocks can potentially damage or weaken them. Also, in dryer climates they do start to squeak a bit and need to be sprayed with silicone lubricant after about every 50 miles or so. Pouring water on it stops it for a few miles, but the silicone spray really helps. You do not need to clean the belt before spraying it, a dusting of material along with the spray seems to be helpful out here in the desert. Take care of your belt and it will take care of you!

So exciting! Congrats again to Pinion for this world first innovation and we're looking forward to a strong partnership! 🤩

This is a paradigm shift in the evolution of ebikes.

This is the way

I have been waiting 5yrs to see this, I always wanted a gearbox bike, and also wanted an ebike I thought it'd be great to see them mashed together, it's finally here!

The most innovative product to hit MTB in decades. I really want an ebike with this!

As someone who has been riding bikes for 54 years I never thought I'd see something like this. Our kids are really going to be in a better world which makes me feel so much better. Good job Pinion!

I love it when a company both listens to what their customers want and leads them based on the possibilities that the technology can bring. I love super lightweight road bikes but I also love exploring rugged countryside.

This is a game changer! 💪💪💪This makes more sense than traditional drivetrain. I can't wait for more companies to build their ebikes around this system.

That's possibly the best advert for an e-bike motor I've ever watched. The revolution we've been waiting for. I hope to see it on a commuter bike soon!

Excited to see the use of a belt drive. Long time coming. I could almost hear your heart pumping faster with excitement Rob lol

This is more than amazing. First time in my life I'm considering changing a bike because of technology upgrade. Wow.

having everything combined in one unit is great for countless reasons….when something does go wrong, the complexity of repairs is greater, however. Beyond many cyclists ability. But if it’s as durable and trouble free as advertised, I’d like to try one out. cheers from northern Canada!

Wow game changer for emtb! RIP - derailleur/cassette/chain, you won't be missed.

Thank God -- we still have innovative people --- This looks promising for cost efficient exercise and urban transportation

So excited for this! I’ve used and loved Pinion’s gearbox before, and I always thought that integrating an electric motor would be perfect. I can’t emphasise enough, just how much better the rear suspension performs with the cassette and derailleur removed👌

No chain, no cassette, no broken or bent derailleur hanger, this is the wave of the future ❤

I'm super impressed! After having bought and tested my e-bike I said to myself that my next one must have the derailleur and cassette ditched in favor of a gearbox and preferably belt drive. Analog bike drive just does not apply in an e-bike due to excessive chain wear. Can't wait to test ride such an e-bike myself.

I'm 100% sure that my next bike will have this engine. The integration of the gears is and the 0 maintenance is just a dream

This is amazing actually. Only issue is going to be the pricing. Pinion has a massive advantage on this one and bike manufacturers are going to ask for a premium.

If this is reliable it’ll be game changing. Kudos to the pinion team, pioneering. Now we just need bike manufacturers to agree to a universal motor and battery mount so we can put whatever motor we want in their frames 🙌

Delighted for Pinion... superb, always been totally behind this technology 100%. I've been wanting this to happen for many, many years and to retire the antiquated derailleur technology which has served the cycle industry well for many decades but is being kept artificially alive. Hopefully this will be the next big leap forward in not just EMTB motors but the cycle gearing industry overall by developing new gearboxes, we have had several enclosed units over the years but this new impetus could help revolutionize the cycle industry.👍

Finally some real innovation and problem solving from the bike industry. This gearbox was pretty niche for analog bikes but makes total sense combined with an ebike motor. Good job Pinion!

This is so exciting, I can’t wait to try the next generation of eMTB 😍

My Bosch Rohloff E14 combo does most of those things already and has done for years… Gates belt drive, big gear range, sealed gearbox, no cassette or derailleur, electronic shift, starting gear, gear change when stationary or pedalling, annual oil change, etc. Great to see there will soon be another option though 👌

I have the Pinion gearbox on my adventure bike. I think short of maybe my lightweight road bike I would never want a bike with anything other than a Pinion. Now with electronic shifting it is a no brainer. And with the integrated ebike motor nothing compares. I can only hope more bike manufactures offer this set up.

Done and DONE. I have a pinion and would NEVER go back to derailleur and don’t want rear hub motor. This is the solution we’ve been waiting for. Wow!

This is amazing. I know bike component companies have tried to do this for many years with little to no success. I’m not sure what all the disadvantages have been in the past and how this might eliminate those issues with e-power. Will be really interesting to see this tech develop. I bet it isn’t too far off, and then we might see CVT type transmissions soon after.

Awesome! Thank you you Pinion, thank you Rob. It’s been overdue about 30 years. Now, next step, add regenerative braking, maybe some sort of clutch engagement on the rear hub when the brakes are activated to spin the motor via the belt to recharge the battery. (Even if it added a pound or Kg. Then… perfect!👌😉

Way overdue and much appreciated!

that belt tensioner looks great, the rest i could take or leave. good to see a pinion with a trigger shifter

Just Awesome. I hope a good variety of emtb manufactures get onboard with this as an option in their ranges.

An improvement not mentioned is that of the chainline. No more wildly angled chains stretching to reach the 52t cog.

This is the Mega Revolution. I've been waiting for this. Congratulations, the best idea and progress in recent years No chain No derailleurs Zero cleaning

Been riding a Pinion 12 speed [P-12} with belt drive for over a year now. Fat tires in snow and on ice in winter. Med tires on mud, gravel, and rock in summers. It works flawlessly. I NEVER have to look at the chain to see if it needs maintenance. It's such a relief that every ride, I can just finger check tire pressure and brake sensitivity and go. This system will be even better when I'm a bit older and possibly in need of battery/motor assist. Wish it would fit in place of the C-12 on my current frame, but that's a minor point for such a well-designed product. Thanks.

This is the future right now. What manufacturers are going to run this system then, and there's the price. Can't wait to see it in action. 👌🏻 ❤️

This is the motor I have been waiting for :-) Been riding EMTB for 5 years and we have 3 in the household. My next next will have this motor! Only negative is that tensioner hanging underneath, looks like it may be prone to rock strikes (a DW high pivot design could fix this and make the rear sus even better) . With all the talk of the new Bosch 600w peak power this seems to offer the same.

This bike looks Amazing, I’m going to try and find one ASAP for me and my grandson 👍👍

As someone who drives bike a lot in the city, I admire this technology and I hope it will become available, and most importantly, affordable, for city bikes.

Instantly loving this! This is the way ebikes should be made and I will definitely consider one for my next bike now. Well done, Pinion!

This is incredible. Never thought I’d be this excited about a new motor. This is a very real revolution in the industry, and the competing companies better have their engineers on competing with this right now.

Soon much want! My Trek Rail has blown 4 chains and 2 front sprockets this year in 900 miles. And the derailleur got ripped off on the ride last week resulting in an 8 mile hike in the mtns. So ready to be rid of the chain and ongoing maintenance. Sign me up!!! ❤

Pinion making my dreams come true! This is a huge step-change in e-bike tech like what we're seeing with electric vehicles. Great presentation by the Pinion rep. I can't wait for gearbox, belt drive, and electronic shifting tech to come down in cost in the years to come. Good riddance to chains! I hope they are working on regenerative electronic braking next to eliminate freewheel whiz and minimize physical brake wear (and of course gain back energy on those descents).

This is absolutely amazing ! Though I don't ride ebikes and probably won't until I'm a bit older, this appeals to me for a really durable cargo bike build

This is massive. I'd recommend waiting a few years while early buyers beta test them but this could be the future

Amazing piece of tech!

Revolutionary... I've been thinking about a gear system that would remove the derailer from the rear. I thought of a system that was in the rear hub, didn't think of it in this location, it's brilliant!

Awesome news report Rob. That is the most interesting development I've seen in eBiking. This would totally make me look at bike brands I've never considered before. Let's hope many manufacturer's get on board with it. How come they didn't offer you a ride ???

It’s a great start. Look forward to refined versions in the future. One issue is that it sits lower than the BB and in particular that ‘spring’ - and that is a huge issue in technical terrain. So good to see innovation!

Its a piece of art and transportation at the same time

I can’t wait for bikes to get here. I want a mid drive with all the gears in the mid drive. No derailers no chain just a belt no maintenance.

I use a Rohloff derailleur on my bike, but this might be even better because of the centered weight. The only weak point I can see is that the belt tensioner will catch on a log and break it off.

Spring 2023-Sram: no more derailleur hanger Summer 2023- Pinion: no more derailleur 😂😂😂 Things went quickly nowadays😁

Hier haben sich zwei Porsche - Ingenieure ausgetobt, großes Kino 👋😊👍

Pretty cool. A whole segment about a bike that no one rode.

I think Pinion just 1 upped Shimanos auto shift! This is truly proper! All mid drive ebikes will go to this, its obvious now.

Wow! That looks amazing! I was disappointed you didn't get to ride it though Rob. Will you be making a video showing you riding the bike in different terrain? Did you ride it off camera? How was it? Do you think this will be coming to other bike manufacturers soon? Next level bike tech for sure!

Thank you from Truckee California

Can't wait the the long range touring/commuter cargo bike version! I know this is a mountain bike, but still amazed that mirror is not included, as for me is number 1 safety add on, better than a helmet for keeping you safe. While I'm dreaming, wouldn't mind wider hubs with bigger bearings, wider hubs also make it easier to replace spokes (don't care about slightly more weight). To save weight, make it stiffer and allow easier replacement of belt, make it single arms instead of forks.

I have a pinion gearbox on my Zerode Katipo and love it. If Zerode put this in a bike and made their first eMTB, I'll buy it in a second to replace my current eMTB. Or, would love to see Pole put this in the Pole Voima (which is my current eMTB). Again, I'd buy it instantly. Will be interesting to see what brands bring this to market in their frames. If the geo works for me, they will get my business because chain/derailleur is my only dislike of my last two eMTB and, having enjoyed my Zerode, I'm now sold on gearboxes and belt drives.

Hey Rob rides emtb! I love the coming gearbox revolution because of almost all the benefits the pinion rep pitched. I hope there will be a chain version of this or a belt that has some sort of mud clearance holes. Belts don't work on off road motorcycles because the belts heat up from flexing and mud dries and packs into the holes the sprocket teeth engage into. Chains are self clearing. You must love that discreet control pod! Ride ride ride!

I worked on car and truck transmissions and this is a real transmission just smaller , it's a lovely set up

this is amazing!!! Thank you rob for bringing this to us, but now you made me want to change my ebikes.

A few questions : What happens when you run out of battery ? Is it locked in whatever gear you where last in ? Or does it automatically go into a default gear that will still allow you to still use the bike as just a normal one gear bike ? Can you buy spare batterys , gearbox and motor parts on line , or can you buy the whole motor gearbox assembly? Will there be a kit for the general public ? How much will it cost ? I want one ?

I didn't understand one thing. if you are left on foot without a battery, the shifter which seems to be powered by the battery does not work either, did I say right?

It is a beautiful bike ! ❤️

Now give us this bike but without the motor. Just the gearbox and little battery for shifting. That would make dope bike

If these guys (Pinion) do not bury their heads into their butts (like Shimano and Bosch), and make this serviceable. They could eat the entire market. If this somehow would fit to replace the catastrophic ep8 (I am about to pop in the 3rd one and have no hope it would last 1000km) ... they would sell like hotcakes. ps: I have no idea what hotcakes are ...

Not only great for MTBs, but this would be exceptional for a real-world commuter! I've had a few Alfine 8-11 units and for hard-core city use there is nothing better, overall. This, though, is such a huge improvement. Can't wait!!!

Now I want to ride one. Thank you.

For the 1st time in a long time... im looking forward to testing one of these

I won't have money for en e-bike for about a decade, but this makes my heart race. This is a total paradigm shift and I think the big brands can take notes, especially regarding the automatic shifting integration. I'm not sure how I feel about auto shift, but the way they implement it makes so much sense.

I hope these work out. Time will tell on reliability.

I dont know if this will be popular or not but I love the innovation and its all possible due to people spending incredible amounts for a bike.

The under-frame tensioner spring looks cobby and vulnerable, but a torsion spring or another solution should be pretty easy.

Looks amazing! But what's the spring under the bottom bracket, it tensions the belt drive? Seems very prone to rock hits, not?

I would love this on our cargobike!

I'm keen to see your test ride on this beasty, thank you.

This is why I've been holding off upgrading to a new bike..

Finally! My future replacement for Turbo Levo will for sure have this, so fed up of chain and derailleur.

Incredible advancement! Now I just need to win the lottery to afford this.

This is an amazing solution, but nothing is 'wear free'. I love where bikes have come! Thanks for the video.

Great development, congrats! I want a Cargo bike with that

Honda did this 20 years ago on several not-for-sale downhill bikes, without e-motor. Cool tech.

Yahoo. Means that the extra weight of the PINION geabox is now not an issue as its an EMTB and weight is not the issue. LUV IT !!!

I’m sold. Ready to take out a mortgage for this. Doesn’t hurt that this is a sexy ass bike.

This would be really good for my. My Turbo Levo has taken so much wear to its chain and gears, with the chain having snapped 4 under the sheer force put into it.

I cannot wait to see what Brose and Specialized has up their sleeves to compete!

It will blow your mind in performance, as well as your bank.

Brilliant. Just brilliance.

Boom! Mind blown . Finally, this is what everyone’s been asking for!

For reference, understand how the two types of DC motors work: 1-Brushless DC with Speed Control. It may use perhaps a 5 HP motor, but that 5 HP only happens at full rpm from the controller. When the controller is set to low rpm’s, you may only get 1/10th of a horsepower. Power varies with speed. 2-Conventional DC with Gears. The motor always operates at full rpm at full 5hp, and changes output speed by the use of gearing.

I use pinion with back wheel motor and this new integration eliminates cabling that is heavy, expensive and fragile. It protects the motor from theft and physical damage. Shame i already bought the bike.

I have never lusted after a bike as much as this. This is the future, here and now! Oh, I can feel my bank balance hurting already...

I must say the marriage of a motor with the Pinion gearbox is excellent. Let's hope the motor & e-ccessories prove to be as durable.

Awesome ! Can't wait to get my hands on one.

Absolutely killer bike. Love that shifter.

This is so cool! My how the world / technology has evolved in the last two decades.. The gear train looks fantastic!

I was thinking of an ebike because I may be moving out west and want help climbing mountains. Now I will wait for this.