Mother grizzly attacks Montana man twice | "Bear spray doesn't always work"

Mother grizzly attacks Montana man twice | "Bear spray doesn't always work" | Todd Orr

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Ай бұрын

Grizzly bear charges through bear spray, attacking Todd Orr twice. Todd Orr's attack is among the most referenced and misunderstood attacks in recent years.
Unsurprisingly, the internet has learned all the wrong lessons.
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@K.O.tyranny Ай бұрын

Never bring bear spray to a bear fight. Lol

@travisleonhart3371 10 күн бұрын

Bear spray out here giving people a false sense of security

@HomeInWildSpaces 8 күн бұрын

There are many things giving people a false sense of security. Bear spray is an excellent tool for backcountry defense, but it is not a guarantee. Watch the full video and you’ll see why people have been learning all the wrong lessons from Todd’s experience.

@MarkAlan-no7mb 2 күн бұрын

That's right Travis. I can think off memory without grabbing my brown bear book of 6 people killed after unloading a full can. Your smartest move is to train visiting a gun range a dozen times before entering brown bear country. Because brown bears when adrenalized cover 30 ft per second in a full on attack. So being trained and confident gives a person a better chance of survival due to panic that has happened to every bear attack survivor. These grizzlies take the lives of dogs and hikers. I've been studying actual situations because I own bear biologist books. Tom Smith and Steven Herrera are people you need to research before ever considering going into north America territory. The full truth on #s of people not coming home from hunting/camping/hiking isn't 100% because it can hurt park revenue. 2020 was an unusual year in north America 8-10 people+ mauled in Alaska. If your going to vacation in bear country best advice I can give is never under any circumstances hunt or hike solo. 90% of those injured or worse were solo hiking/fishing etc. Good luck people.🙏👍 🐻👈

@CultOfArms Ай бұрын

Your statistics that you cited regarding more people get injured when using a firearm than when using bear spray does not answer the question which is more effective. People are more likely to use bear spray to get a curious bear to go away than shoot the bear, so therefor you have a lot of harmless encounters where bear spray is discharged and that skews the statistics in favor of bear spray. For violent attacks, firearms are more effective.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

This is a common argument, but in truth both data pools (bear spray/firearms) are heavy on curious/nuisance bears. Applying that argument to one tool and not the other is dangerously misleading. Both bear spray and the right gun in the right hands are very effective at dealing with aggressive bears. As promised, I’ll discuss in greater detail in coming videos in this series. Stay tuned. For the mean time, I invite you to watch my video: guns vs bear spray the final word Best Bear Defense - Guns vs Bear Spray | The Final Word #wildspaces #guns #bears #grizzly #survival kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iauTeaupvq_DYKM.html

@jamiehurtt3530 Ай бұрын

Being around and observing them In nature is the best teacher The problem is many people going into the woods simply don't understand bear behavior or how to recognize a predatory vs a defensive situation whem it comes to bears .you must first understamd posturing signs of agitation fear when dealing with them Mamy bears are shot wounded or killed every year when it was completely unnecessary or could have been avoided out of fear amd ignorance.

@robertfrapples2472 Ай бұрын

@@jamiehurtt3530 And life goes on.

@jamiehurtt3530 Ай бұрын

@@robertfrapples2472 Or it doesn't

@megamilyon6111 28 күн бұрын

I agree with Cult of Arms. I live in Montana and I carry bear spray and a handgun. I have used bear spray twice on bears that were close but not threatening. I used the spray to condition them to stay away from humans and to get the bears to leave. However, these were not bears that would have attacked. Therefore, this skews the stats because some biased bear researchers would count this as "two incidents where bear spray prevented an attack/injury". If the bears were in fact aggressive or charging I would have used my handgun. There was a recent attack in Montana where a man shot and killed a charging grizzly.

@dreamerliteraryproductions9423 Ай бұрын

Great interview and presentation! I'm looking forward to your follow-up videos!

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

@theresat8379 Ай бұрын

Excellent video content. Well done!

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Much appreciated! Hope you’ll consider sharing.

@luciemarinov129 Ай бұрын

Very educational video, thanks so much!

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I’ve been watching people use Todd’s experience to argue dangerous falsehoods for close to eight years now. Hoping this video can set the record straight. I invite to to help in that effort by sharing this video.

@robinsavard84 3 күн бұрын

The biggest take away here...PRACTICE drawing, switching safety off! I like his wording of "its like muscle memory". From all the stories I've read about, people dont have their spray ready to use (in their backpack) and fumbling to use it.

@mid-westbigfootresearchers8665 Ай бұрын

Scary. I'm in the woods a lot with Black Bear, they don't bother me, but Brown Bear, do scare the hell outta me. Great video, I shared it. Todd, sorry you had to go through that.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing! That is sooo helpful. Glad you found this valuable. Todd’s has a remarkable, and remarkably informative story to tell.

@PoppyOnPoppy Ай бұрын

Black bears kill more people than grizzlies. Yes, there ARE more black bears around, but still…..don’t get too confident !

@laikanbarth Ай бұрын

Is a brown bear the same as a grizzly bear?

@darrelmcbride7007 Ай бұрын

Yes @@laikanbarth

@marksauck3399 Ай бұрын

It seems like on average a black bear seems more passive around people. Bear spray for them but the big guys like grizzlies, forget it.

@williamtheconjurer Ай бұрын

Great advice and video

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting! I hope you’ll consider sharing as well.

@_nick_d Ай бұрын

Great info & interview w Todd ✅ you went above & beyond with getting the biologist opinion.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Todd has an amazing and amazingly enlightening story to tell.

@TheNewenglandboys 8 күн бұрын

I have always heard that the grizzly is the one animal that will make a large circle around you to hunt you down if you wound them.

@ajaxtelamonian5134 Ай бұрын

Man. You gotta be careful out there. Of course me and my brother on holiday from the UK when out in bear country one of the first things we bought was bearspray and lo and behold saw a bear really close the next day in Glacier national Park. Not aggressive but glad we had it lol your footage is incredible mate. The Black Grizzlies are beautiful proves how important it is to know your bears.

@steveprimm7943 Ай бұрын

Thanks so much to you and Todd for this terrific, worthwhile, informative interview. I'll be sharing this far and wide, and looking forward to more great content. I can't tell you how many times people have told me they don't trust bear spray because they "don't want to end up like Todd Orr." Yet here he is, alive and well and still venturing into grizzly country.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Yeah, Todd’s experience is tough. There are many people who for whatever reason are antagonistic toward bear spray and to many of them, on a superficial level, Todd’s story seemingly confirms their argument. But in order for Todd’s story to say what they need it to say, they have to ignore the critical details and the vast library of successful bear spray deployments. Deterrents are tools. Todd used his effectively in combination with playing dead during the first attack, but had no time to respond during the second attack. It’s amazing story. So glad Todd has been so willing to work with me on this project.

@oogbigworm Ай бұрын

They some bears are attracted to bear spray. They have observed bears coming to the area where someone deployed bear spray and they sniff the area and start rolling in it.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

It’s true. Expelled spray does attract bears. So you don’t want to hang around an area that has expelled spray. But in the moment, a solid spray is very effective at discouraging aggression.

@steveprimm7943 15 күн бұрын

Expelled bear spray stays volatile and atomized for a few hours. Ask anyone who has accidentally discharged it in a car. It is true that once the residue has stabilized and isn't wafting into the air, it's an attractant to bears. But in that window of a few hours, it's still too nasty to be around and can cause respiratory distress.

@joeloweryourexpectationsbiden 13 күн бұрын

@@steveprimm7943correct, and the smell attracts bears. We'll known in Alaska

@jadasakura Ай бұрын

Safety in numbers!! & I love how well balanced this series is! You do a really amazing job at letting people share their stories and have a voice and then coming in after to explain the lessons that should be learned. It reminds me of being in class but much more engaging haha. I also love that I feel like I can show your "guns vs bear spray" video to super pro gun people (not that I'm anti gun, I'm pretty neutral) because you yourself are experienced with guns, you just use facts to show that bear spray is the better choice the vast majority of the time (I know I personally would rather potentially suffer chemical burns from a hiking partner spraying me with bear spray if I was being attacked than a stray gunshot)

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Thanks! It’s a topic that I care deeply about, and one that is generally very poorly handled. I believe in tools and their proper and effective use. Bear spray is extremely effective, non lethal to humans and bears alike and much easier master. I wouldn’t say it’s “better”, but it is the tool every adult should carry and know how to use. If people take firearms, they should ensure they are extremely responsible and proficient so that they are an asset rather than a liability. It’s a nuanced conversation to be sure. Thanks for being part of it!

@darrinnaquin5678 Ай бұрын

I love your channel. It is very informative. I need to ask though, is some of your video of black bears while you're talking about grizzlies?

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Yes. It was sometimes necessary to use black bear footage in this video.

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

a bear's a bear , kinda, when they are attacking you. blacks do it too.

@darrinnaquin5678 2 күн бұрын

@@cobainzlady true - but the likelihood and purpose are not the same.

@hsdinoman2267 Ай бұрын

there is just something about bears that both scares us and yet fascinates us i mean just look at how much coverage there was about timothy treadwells tragic story

@marty5751 24 күн бұрын

They are cute too though is the weird thing. You ever see them bite their paws and huff? Shit :-) wil fuzzie bois. just don't brutally maul my intestines out ya know

@tw8464 13 күн бұрын

Treadwell was harassing wildlife. It's abuse. We really need laws against harassing wildlife because now the deranged "screen economy" perverse incentives has made a flood of Treadwells influencers harassing wildlife for clicks $$$ that is more and more stressing the wildlife and putting people who enjoy nature responsibly in higher risk.

@Mr_Monkey_McNugget Ай бұрын

Best book on the subject is 'Bear attacks: Their causes, and avoidances' by Stephen Herrero.

@marcr9305 Ай бұрын

I'm completely comfortable alone in the woods, I'm very cautious with foods, scents, and my surroundings at all times. BUT, I will say spending time in grizzly country on foot is a whole different feeling, not so much scary as just having my senses ultra heightened at all times. I can't even imagine Todd's experience and I personally don't believe in bear spray only.

@karlculpepper 7 күн бұрын

Probably not a good idea 🤔 to be anywhere near BEARS 🐻 with or without Bear Spray 🙄

@ArtistGayleenTaylor 15 күн бұрын

I live close to the Rocky Mountains in Canada, and am terrified to ever meet a bear. We have had the occasional grizzly bear and cubs visiting our area. I've seen videos of people who were hiking a short drive away from our place that have been attacked and some killed. I love seeing them from my truck, but I try to be prepared even on a short walk to the many falls in the area.

@LadyYoop Ай бұрын

UNREAL! Great interview! I'm in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. We have black bear, and I've only seen them from a car. Good enough for me!! And the good Lord got other plans for Todd....he needs him here!!

@DADA-pl4tm Ай бұрын

Another great video with helpful tips for safety for humans and bears, two thoughts I had while watching was if handguns was used instead of bear spray how the first encounter would have changed with a potentially wounded bear. The second thought is I would luv to see how best to deploy bear spray when using trekking poles, I have tried a few different ways but is not slick at all.

@frogglen6350 Ай бұрын

I just like animal knowledge and I think bears are cool. And scary. Thanks for the video

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@GaryCrocker-pg2mx 29 күн бұрын

Great video. What about making constant noise during a hike like talking singing or some sort of noise maker? Is there any data on that? Thanks in advance.

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

SOME BEARS MIGHT DECIDE THAT SOUNDS LIKE FOOD, WHILE OTHERS MIGHT RUN AWAY.

@Jo_2022 Ай бұрын

That's terrifying

@alexanderraywood6649 Ай бұрын

I have been a round some massive female brown bears which had cubs and never ever had a problem (with in a foot). My son was working in a garage when he felt something touch the back of his leg. It was a baby cub (sniffing) , the mother was in the driveway watching the whole thing ... no problem. I worry some times about being caught by a bear coming out of hibernation. Something probably set the bear off prior to Todd's encounter. Dogs and spray just piss them off.

@PeaceIsYeshua 17 күн бұрын

@Alexander, oh my gosh! What did y’all do? What happened next?

@alexanderraywood6649 17 күн бұрын

@@PeaceIsYeshua nothing. We have had a lot of encounters with all sorts of bears. ( No polar) Mostly around the trash cans and in the bike park too. I used to see this 12 foot momma bear on the bike trail every morning. she would be grazing on the field or walking up the mountain. I used to wave at here. She would stand on her hind legs and tilt her head side ways like a dog. It was funny.🤣

@PeaceIsYeshua 17 күн бұрын

@@alexanderraywood6649 Oh wow!!! 😂 I’m glad they didn’t give y’all any problems! Sounds like a fun place to live. 🥰

@marianfrances4959 23 күн бұрын

Thank you!!!!👍😎🇨🇦

@shortnotekerrie Ай бұрын

Todd thank god you are here still. How frightening!

@alashabibti 3 күн бұрын

When he 1st noted that the bear had seen him from a distance, would it have been wise for him to play dead at that moment before she even got up to him?

@jadasakura Ай бұрын

If you ever do a q&a type video, maybe you can cover this question that I can't seem to easily find an answer to online: how does the pain of tear gas compare to bear spray?

@theresabuede Ай бұрын

This was very, very helpful as I have felt really vulnerable when going into bear country so I mostly avoid it. Practicing preparation seems to be a key factor. It was really helpful to hear from the survivor of a bear attack being prepared with both hairspray and a pistol at the same time. I would not have thought of that!

@PeaceIsYeshua 17 күн бұрын

I wouldn’t have thought of hair spray either!! I wonder if it was Pantene or Vidal Sassoon? 🤪😂

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

hairspray? BEAR SPRAY.

@PeaceIsYeshua 3 күн бұрын

@@cobainzlady Ha! I’m certain we all know she meant to say bear spray. 🤪❤️

@frogglen6350 Ай бұрын

I'm glad Todd is doing well. You should talk about Timothy Treadwell and the hundreds of mistakes he did in bear country. This man even swam with a bear. He only survived ten years on pure luck. It's morbidly fascinating

@laikanbarth Ай бұрын

Great idea!! I would love to see a video like that. It fascinates me that he was so trusting of the bears.

@jamiehurtt3530 Ай бұрын

@laikanbarth Must also fascinate you that all they found of treadwell was his head and his hand with wrist watch still on it .😅

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

A video on Treadwell is in the works. Stay tuned.

@frogglen6350 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces that's cool.

@lynnknox6601 Ай бұрын

The sad thing his girlfriend was going to break up with him

@lauraseay4723 19 күн бұрын

As a women I went hunting in the past. No grizzlies here in VA. Could it be possible the cans be changed were they are attached to the shoulder. The nozzles would be changed, so if a person is attacked or on the ground already. The nozzle is facing their face so they back off.

@billjaxin Ай бұрын

Very informative, thanks to both. I noted his comment that he wished he had not been in too much of a hurry to stop when he entered the clearing. That's what animals do. Deer, bear, cougar and I'm sure hunter-gatherer humans have always done the same thing. It's a habit I've gotten into.

@PhotographerSteve 28 күн бұрын

Helpful. Thank you! Interview is very important and not merely retelling of a thirdhand account which can be useful one thing I gleed this and having recent reads on other attacks at West one with the father and a daughter was that not only knowing where your spray is but You know which is preparing us the other part is knowledge and then the other leg of the stool for me would be implementation or rehearsal. The education, which is the knowledge. The preparedness, which is what to do when to do it, and with what tools and the tool could be a behavior. I am so appreciative that the comment that both you made is not just having the spray and not just knowing what to do but in rehearsal and that half a second or one second Will absolutely make a difference if I survive it still a gold medal but timing and the location of where you put the bear spray on the body thank you. That is what I hope it cemented what I have been repeating in my mind since watching this and hearing his explanation of the attack Being in shape and having testosterone is not replacement for having an executable plan that you actually execute having the knowledge that in one second like he said he can grab that spray off the clip and create a cloud very quickly. There are others on the channel KZfaq I think if I survive the encounter that’s a gold medal to me, my question is are there any at a distance tools that One can use so that as was the story here that the bear circled on back around so that the dog can run into that cloud is it possible or is there a situation “I know there’s a bear. I just saw him and he is somewhere in a 150 200 m perimeter or whatever what can I do knowing that? How can I make use of the time knowing that there’s a bear know exactly where he is or she is? That everyone can take or that an individual can take with experience there is some actions & steps anyone you can try but Should only be done by those experience and other things can be executed by pretty much. We are up in the New England area. We have brown and black knowledge.

@laikanbarth Ай бұрын

Great interview!!! I love bears 🐻. They are beautiful but frightful creatures. I live down South and just realized that we have black bears and I had no idea. I think you are supposed to play unalive with grizzly bears and fight back with black bears. I’m not sure but I’m definitely researching now. I’ve been in the woods several times and never even thought about bears. Thank you for educating us. I’ve subscribed and liked this video so that I can get your channel recommended to me.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Welcome to the community! Especially appreciate the sub! If you’re looking for information on how to respond to a black bears, grizzlies and polar bears, I’ve included all that in my bear attack ABCs video. How to survive | Bear Attack ABCs #wildspaces #bears #guns #grizzlies #polarbear #attack kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a9ihlJd8zdDUg3k.html

@LezgoBrandon 19 күн бұрын

I think a lot of people that get attacked by a wild animal, actually think they’re untouchable. In 2024 I wouldn’t go camping without at least two bear sprays and a pistol.

@deecawford Ай бұрын

We live in Wasilla Alaska. We are maybe 100 yards from the little Su river. Bear spray is always near. By near I mean in my hands or on my hip. Yes I carry a pistol but honestly I think the bear spray is a much better tool. Muscle memory is so true and I’m now going to work on that more in practice. We also play a lot of disc golf and paddle board. Often there’s no one around for miles and miles and probably more bear than people anyway. Love this education

@marksauck3399 Ай бұрын

Is your house bear proof? It’s amazing how well bears can open doors. Especially those bears used to living around people in populated areas. A lot of wildlife is becoming less wild and more domesticated. Especially the deer.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching!

@johnirvine9942 Ай бұрын

Hey Mike, could you ever make a video on auditory deterrents like Tru Flare bear bangers, Air horns, Whistles, etc… Covering their effectiveness, the potential hazards, and how and when to use them.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Thanks for the request! I will say that a video on deterrent alternatives is in the works, but not first in line. It may take a little while to get around to, but it is coming. Stay tuned. More to come.

@johnirvine9942 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces That’s good to hear, will do. Keep up the great work!

@Jaguarspaw5 6 күн бұрын

That was an awkward way to end the conversation lol

@gabriellafox7948 Ай бұрын

I will be watching this with my son and his girlfriend as they love to camp, and he thinks a firearm is important as a defence against bears. He’s so young (20) I feel it’s my duty to watch this video with them along with the other video you’ve done on guns versus bear spray. I’ll also be purchasing them each their own bear spray if they don’t already have one. Thank you so much for the education and information! 🙏🏻🇨🇦

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Glad to help. I also suggest watching my Bear attack ABCs video (link below) which rather than responding to internet misinformation lays out the sequence of avoidance, deterrents, and how to respond if attacked. I consider it my most important Bear safety video. How to survive | Bear Attack ABCs #wildspaces #bears #guns #grizzlies #polarbear #attack kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a9ihlJd8zdDUg3k.html

@PeaceIsYeshua 17 күн бұрын

My family is going hiking this summer in bear country, and I’ve made sure they’ll have a capable gun. I would never trust my family’s safety to bear spray, which has failed.

@joeloweryourexpectationsbiden 13 күн бұрын

So sad your govt won't let you defend yourself, even from grizzlies...

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

it might not work in some cases, so they do need both imo. a dog also helps smell bear and alert the humans. but must be on a leash ! or they can lead a bear back to t heir master. And go in groups !

@MikeLee-eb4yp 3 күн бұрын

The only thing you can is not go where the bears are at .

@YoYoCoCo777 Ай бұрын

What about a siren?

@davidbigbee3556 13 күн бұрын

The whole bear spray vs gun is a valid argument. I carry both just in case. My closest encounter was a bear running between me and my dog from 30 feet away and it was as freaked out as both of us. It was literally a blur. Thank goodness it was a black bear. My dog (had husky and half pit bull terrier) looked at me like WTF was that? No possibility of pulling out gun or spray. That bear belonged in the bear olympics for the fastest 100 yard dash. We were both within two feet of him when he ran between us and the fire pit. Fun times

@HomeInWildSpaces 13 күн бұрын

Sounds like a crazy experience. After reading your comment, I think you’d enjoy my guns vs bear spray video. I agree with you. These are tools. Hope you’ll check out the full video: Best Bear Defense - Guns vs Bear Spray | The Final Word #wildspaces #guns #bears #grizzly #survival kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iauTeaupvq_DYKM.html

@marianmaslak Ай бұрын

I was charged three times by brown bear here in Slovakia, two times a used my bike to scare a bear and one time bear changed his decision and scared away. I think after this video that bear spray may be the best protection.

@jamessnead5301 Ай бұрын

That was 1 lucky man I haven't seen a grisly bear they ain't around were I live and glad their not.

@stlpro2a386 Ай бұрын

Did Orr have the gun out after the first attack?? Doesn't sound like it. Did he spray during second encounter? Heard him say second attack he didn't have time to get spray or gun out....didn't learn anything from first attack......not prepared, not exhibiting enhanced situational awareness following first attack.

@danielasuncion9991 Ай бұрын

If I survived a grizzly attack, and returned to grizzly country, a year later, some might say that my chances of being attacked again are slim: But, I think that they would be wrong. I would know that I had been attacked before, but the grizzly doesn't know that! As far as the bear is concerned, I FRESH meat.

@bonjovi2757 Ай бұрын

Did Todd even have a pistol as an option in this attack? I mean after the first attack or perhaps in an alternate scenario combination spray and pistol (if it worked out that way). Option, options, options. They may not always 100% present themselves that way but without the option, you absolutely have 100% , no ability to try.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Todd did have a gun. We spoke at length about which guns he normally takes into the backcountry. I’ll discuss in greater detail in future videos.

@frogglen6350 Ай бұрын

he says it in this video

@jtlc100 Ай бұрын

fear made him to spray to early

@marksauck3399 Ай бұрын

First of all I’d never go into a forest by myself. Two other well armed men with me or I just don’t go. Second. I’d never camp out in woods common to bears with a woman. Women bleed and bears smell blood at great distance if the wind is in the right direction. The two questions I have is what kind of immediate knock down power does bear spray have? If that bear has the speed and momentum to reach you it can kill you in seconds or hurt so badly you can survive long enough to reach help. Second, how well will bear spray work if it’s a windy day? Wind won’t blow away a bullet.

@misfitm1457 28 күн бұрын

Men bleed too. You do know some women don't have periods and if they do, it's not a daily thing?

@marksauck3399 28 күн бұрын

@@misfitm1457 my answer to that is two things. If you cut yourself, get out of there and stay out until healed. Two, I don’t have time to follow a female’s calendar and i sure as hell don’t want to have that to worry about.

@marianfrances4959 23 күн бұрын

Women bleed....LOL...but not every day. We mostly, then are not bleeding. And not at all post menopause.

@nimrodkapas7691 Ай бұрын

Could the whole incident be avoided if Todd was hiking in a group?

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Almost certainly. Mother grizzlies are very protective, but they’re not stupid. Numbers matter in the backcountry. Groups of three or more are almost never attacked IF they stand their ground and know how and when to us their deterrents. Grizzlies will still charge groups, but a group of people who know what they are doing are almost impervious to a daytime bear attack.

@realeyesrealizereallies6828 14 күн бұрын

I was stalked twice by black bears, almost twenty years apart exactly..And in between those two occasions I probably encountered 100 black bears that couldn't run away fast enough..Those 2 bears even looked alike, young males..One I shot at 10 feet, after he charged me and circled me, and charged me again, the other followed me to my truck..I also encountered a female black bear with 2 cubs at 40 yards while grouse hunting with my buddy..She charged us, closed half the distance, turned and was walking very fast towards her cubs, when my buddy started yelling, which made her turn and charge again, but much more serious, by that time I shot the bear banger that scared her off, so yelling might not always be good, in some circumstances.The speed of a bear is mind boggling, and I'm not just talking about running, the bear I shot circled me so fast while standing on it's hind feet, it didn't seem possible, like a movie in fast forward, it still boggles my mind..Bears are unpredictable, firearms are superior to bear spray obviously..

@johnb1567 Ай бұрын

I had to unsubscribe from a channel I used to watch on KZfaq because they were pressing hard on carrying a gun instead of spray ( the channel is, Gonagain , video titled "Bear Spray Against Grizzlies?" ). The internet sure is fun to sift through all the misinformation and it can get you in a pickle of a situation to be sure. Thanks for your informative videos and for including all the data and research to back up your claims. It has made me be very much more mindfull of how I approach hiking and prepping before enjoying the outdoors.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Yeah, Ive watched that video. He is sharing a popular, but dangerously problematic viewpoint. The internet has turned most commenters/influencers into mother goose. They weave largely fictional narratives of their choosing, sprinkling a few valid points along the way, but ultimately deceive themselves and others. Gonagain’s argument is a popular one, rewarded by the internet. But speaking for myself the quality of information must be more important than popularity. I believe that when people have the best information, they can also make the best decisions. Thanks to being part of that community! I hope you’ll consider sharing this video. People have been force-fed many dangerous fallacies following Todd’s experience, among others including the Banff attack. I’m hoping, together, we can set the record straight.

@PeaceIsYeshua 17 күн бұрын

Haha, I subscribed to his channel, _because_ of that video! 😆 There’s no way I would rely on bear spray. It fails too often.

@johnb1567 17 күн бұрын

@@PeaceIsYeshua , according to what data?or is this just a "what I feel" thing ya got going on there?

@PeaceIsYeshua 17 күн бұрын

@@johnb1567 Yeah, I had a dream about bear spray not working, woke up in the morning and thought, “Gosh, you know, bear spray probably doesn’t work. I should tell everyone it fails based on my dream and feelings, because that would be responsible and honest!” 🤔 My saying that bear spray fails isn’t based on actually knowing it fails-I just felt like saying it. Like that couple in Canada who got killed because their bear spray failed-I mean, who believes that? So yeah, I’m saying bear spray fails because I _feel_ it probably would-not because of any actual accounts I’ve heard or read about. Kidding! 🤪

@PeaceIsYeshua 17 күн бұрын

@@johnb1567 Yeah, I had a dream about it not working, woke up in the morning and thought, “Gosh, you know, bear spray probably doesn’t work. I should tell everyone it fails based on my dream and feelings, because that would be responsible and honest!” 🤔 My saying it fails isn’t based on actually knowing it fails-I just felt like saying it. Like that couple in Canada who got killed because theirs failed-I mean, who believes that? So yeah, I’m saying it fails because I _feel_ it probably would-not because of any actual accounts I’ve heard or read about. Kidding! 🤪

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

this is why old timers used to go to the woods with a pack of hounds and if there was a bear, those hounds would smell it and make a ruckus. but they always had to be on leashes unless the owner wanted them to tree the bear. Anyway, dogs can smell em and they bark a certain way. good alert system. hounds are good dogs to have around in the country or the woods, and they can be very cute or beautiful dogs. not real big either usually.

@overlord5580 Ай бұрын

I wouldn't trust using that shit anymore than I would use hairspray!

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

That is of course your call. But it doesn’t change the fact that it is remarkably effective when used correctly.

@elchaposexcitingadventures1674 Ай бұрын

You are thinking with your nose. A bears sense of smell is 2100x greater than a humans sense of smell. Getting sprayed with bear spray would be really bad. Multiply that by 2100.

@robertfrapples2472 Ай бұрын

You are wiser than most on this goofy channel. If a bear LOOKS at me like he's going to charge, daddy gets a new rug!

@overlord5580 Ай бұрын

@elchaposexcitingadventures1674 The weather and the wind also have to be in your favor. As I said before, I would not trust relying on some damn spray!

@overlord5580 Ай бұрын

@@robertfrapples2472 🤣😂🤣

@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 2 күн бұрын

A study published on Ammoland reviews 123 cases in which handguns were used against determined bear attacks, not just curious or nuisance bears as is typically the case with bear spray, and concludes handguns are 98% effective at stopping aggressive behavior from bears. Interestingly, caliber seems to matter little. While cartridges like .44 Magnum are more popular and absolutely effective, one case from Russia involved a 9x18 and several cases involved a .38 Special. All were effective. Pepper spray has a max effective range under ideal conditions of 30 feet. A grizzly charges at 35 to 40 mph. That is just under 60 fps. If you do the math, that means you can't begin affecting a bear's behavior with spray until it is half a second from you. Good luck with that. We must distinguish between real attacks and everything else. Nuisance behavior like sniffing around your campsite, standing, stomping, popping jaws, raking the ground, or bluff charges are not predatory behavior. That is the bear telling you he is annoyed by your presence and offering you and out to avoid violence. These are the only cases spray is likely to be successful, and if you're smart, you won't pick a fight. Take advantage of that opportunity and leave. In a real attack, there will be no warning. Bears are ambush predators, so if the bear detects you before you detect the bear, or rather when, as a bloodhound's nose is 300 times better than yours and that grizzly's nose is 7 times better than a bloodhound's, it is going to approach from your flank. You're going to hear limbs crashing, look up, and see 800 pounds of apex predator coming at you from 50 yards, and realize you have 3 seconds to draw whatever you have and make it count. Choose wisely.

@North-of-the-49th Ай бұрын

New subscriber. We're not permitted to carry firearms in Canada, so bear spray, horns, and electric fences surrounding tents are pretty much the only deterrants we have in national parks. Thank you for the thoughtful and informative chat, fellas! Kind regards from 🇨🇦

@PEDALSnPROJECTS Ай бұрын

Cant rely on bear spray.he could have ran or backed away by the time he pulled it out

@kellylestig4941 20 күн бұрын

Not all bear spray is the same

@Katie-vy5rd Ай бұрын

Where in MT was this?

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Near Big Sky, Northwest of Yellowstone NP

@shalonsalon4614 27 күн бұрын

Oh you gotta spay when it’s on you basically

@Melcop1886 Ай бұрын

Neither do guns. Sounds like he sprayed too early. Statistically bear spray still works most of the time and a higher percentage than guns. I carry both.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

You make a very good point. Not sure if you watched the full video. I discuss the efficiency of guns towards the end of the video.

@robertfrapples2472 Ай бұрын

If you have a large caliber pistol and a modicum of training, there is no comparison in effectiveness. Guns work in the wind, and they don't blow back in your own face like bear spray does. You can skew the data by including .22 LR defenses and long guns that weren't accessible in time, but a 10mm or larger pistol strapped to your chest is a cheat code. I have personally seen bear spray fail, even when used on humans!

@Spooky_515 21 күн бұрын

@@robertfrapples2472the data is certainly skewed. Seems dangerous to worry about the bear when it comes to attacks. They eat you alive or shred you to pieces. So as much as I care about animals I’m not going to worry about moral high ground, I’m going to protect myself 1st.

@stuartj1234 15 күн бұрын

Grizzly dont care what you got bear spray or bullets..........it doesnt matter it that bear wants to chew you up its gonna chew you up and then it will think about its injurys. If the bear really wants you your done.

@trickjones3345 13 күн бұрын

No you dont get it untill it happens to you

@shadeyguy1 8 күн бұрын

Bear spray is for tourists.

@HomeInWildSpaces 8 күн бұрын

No, bear spray is for anyone entering bear country who uses their brain. It’s not however a genie in a bottle. It’s not a 100% guarantee.

@Katie-vy5rd Ай бұрын

If you spray at close range and the bear gets a great amount... will the bear recover from this irritant well? Could it possibly ruin their vision ?

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

They should recover. There are no guarantees, but these kind of contests are part of bear society. There is always a risk of long term injury when a bear shows aggression. Bear spray is a humane and responsible way of discouraging aggression.

@robertfrapples2472 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces It is a ridiculous RISK to carry something so ineffective. Only fools who are afraid of guns and who think more of bears than they do human beings carry bear spray.

@megse9437 3 күн бұрын

For the most part, would you agree that Canadian black bears avoid agressive encounters with humans? I live in NB so thankfully no grizzly bears 😅 i just moved to the rural outskirts of my city, and being 36 i had never seen a bear until i moved here...now they are out roaming all hours of the day and night. I was actually awoken by a large male bear just feet away from my door. He was trying to get into my secured bin but was unsuccessful. He didnt seem to be scared of noise and other's in the area said the same thing. I walk my dog often and carry spray just in case. Ive been a little worried about bears ever since one visited my home, our neighborhood also has surveillance and they visit routinely. Npt so affraid of the ones that can be scared away, its this one large male that doesnt seem to be scared of anything. Im early in my research journey; i just want to walk my dog safely and enjoy nature.

@cynthiakennedy6785 Ай бұрын

Todd Orr, you really need to get down on your knees and thank GOD for sparing you, because I have seen people who've had their faces torn off, shredded in pieces, split open, and were unrecognizable. It was said that one woman was attacked by a bear and all of her friends helped to pick up all of the pieces of her face when rescue came to take her to the hospital. One man was about in his early 30's and after the bear attack, they had to reconstruct his face. Now, he looks like a 90 year old mummy.

@realeyesrealizereallies6828 14 күн бұрын

I guided in Alaska for Grizzley's and also hunted interior bears in Montana and Canada..There is nuance in everything...Different regions produce different bears with different behaviors..My advice for close encounters to avoid attack, based on being close to many brown bears in Alaska, would be to hold your ground, make that bear think your not afraid, your not prey, and that bear will turn and walk away, rather than risk injury..Those bears in Alaska are well fed bears..The only issue I ever had, was with a bear that just got his butt kicked by another Grizzly and was in fight mode..Interior bears that are struggling for food are different bears, they are slightly more aggressive, but standing your ground should still be your first defense to avoid attack..With bear spray or weapon your second line of defense if time permits..Bluff charges out number real attacks by 1000's to 1..Some bears are going to determine their next move based on your response to a bluff charge, they are figuring out if you are prey, or another predator..Running or playing dead could put your life in jeopardy..I wouldn't go into black bear or Grizzly bear territory without a weapon, that I'm very good with..Because bears are still unpredictable..Mother bears are very unpredictable..A bear protecting a kill is very unpredictable..A weapon and ammo that can penetrate a large predator, and well placed shots, is always your best bet..Bears in attack mode can run through bear spray with no problem, I wouldn't want to be a bear chew toy and hope he doesn't kill me..I would rather get 2 to 5 shots into the bears heart and or lungs..I've stopped several bears in their tracks with lung shots, they stop and swipe at the entrance wound, and I shoot it again, etc.,

@shalonsalon4614 27 күн бұрын

BEAR SPAY!! How about a Shot Gun!

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

yeah metal spray.

@prettyloubey8411 Ай бұрын

So the attacks are just random,

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Not totally random. There are controllable variables, and uncontrollable variables. Traveling alone, or without a deterrent, or without proper education are variables we can control. The movement of grizzlies across the landscape, and whether our paths converge is less controllable.

@prettyloubey8411 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces wow thank you so much for this valuable information. !! You were very in depth, about these situations. I have been researching about grizzlies lately .You have a great channel keep up the great work.

@WayneLav Ай бұрын

10mm does.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

I presume you are arguing that a “10mm does (always work)”. If that is your argument, I feel compelled to warn you that you are mistaken. That doesn’t mean a 10mm pistol in the right hands can’t be extremely effective. It just means people have failed and suffered far worse injuries than Todd Orr, but when combating black bears with a 10mm pistol. More on this topic to come. In the mean time, I advise watching this whole video.

@chaplainsoffice6907 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces You are correct, handguns are not designed for any bear. My friend carries a 375 Holland and Holland mag rifle when up north.

@Chrispbacon99 Ай бұрын

@@chaplainsoffice6907incorrect.

@sidhawkins9858 13 күн бұрын

No and it never will.

@RegularGunGuy Ай бұрын

I ❤ how I recommend appropriate rifle, and my comments got block. 5 generations in prime bear country. No family injuries or deaths from bears wonder why? We are the Apex Predators! lol

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

The only comments that get deleted are those using vulgarity, insults, etc. You are free and welcome to share your thoughts regarding bear spray, firearms (long and short), etc. But please keep comments respectful. An informed individual has no cause to degrade, other than to weaken their position.

@RegularGunGuy Ай бұрын

Brand, model, and caliber was all I said? I tried again and blocked it?

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Hmm… not sure what’s going on then. Lots of other comments have left specifics on gun, caliber, etc.

@RegularGunGuy Ай бұрын

Apparently the algorithm doesn't like appropriate weapons. 😂

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

I’d ask you to which weapon, but that appears to be what the algorithm doesn’t like. Strange. Thanks for watching and commenting anyway.

@blackbirdpie217 17 күн бұрын

Mano Y Mano in Spanish means "hand and hand". I never understood why people say that when it makes no sense.

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

mano A mano. hand TO hand.

@blackbirdpie217 2 күн бұрын

@@cobainzlady still makes no sense

@KingdomKillaz117 Ай бұрын

The timestamps are not accurate descriptions. Appreciate the clickbait.

@carolina_girl3484 18 күн бұрын

Bear spray just pisses the bear off! Why do they keep pushing bear spray ??????

@HomeInWildSpaces 18 күн бұрын

You are repeating a popular, self-debunking falsehood. A charging bear is already “pissed”. Ergo, the bear spray is not responsible for disrupting the bear’s emotions. Bear spray is an extremely effective tool. It could have been more effective in Todd’s case, but it did its job.

@jtlc100 Ай бұрын

your mistake: not pulling a 10mm ;; not being woods savy

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Todd is extremely “woods savvy”. There is nothing easier than sitting at your keyboard and pretending you know what you’re talking about. Going for the bear spray is as not a mistake. Those who are woods savvy understand that.

@electropentatonic 9 күн бұрын

24:00 Really, REALLY, bad source research here. We've dealt with Smith for years up here. For two decades Smith has been an anti-gun advocate and has churned out cookie cutter pro-spray/anti-gun "research artciles". He is absolutely NOT an expert on the subject, but an extremely biased source.

@HomeInWildSpaces 8 күн бұрын

I have spoken at length with Smith about the efficacy of guns and their place as back country deterrents and you are entirely misrepresenting both his motivations and his research. He is not “anti-gun” nor is his research. I can only conclude you have not read what you are criticizing.

@kayburgess8536 Ай бұрын

Nope you made sure to down other channels wont watch you

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

That is of course your choice. However, when it comes to human safety, blunt honesty is the best policy. There are hordes of channels misinforming and endangering people. They need to be called out.

@om3ga85 9 күн бұрын

Just carry a gun for safety?

@HomeInWildSpaces 9 күн бұрын

It’s not quite that simple. Make sure to watch the full video as well as my exhaustive guide to bear deterrents. Best Bear Defense - Guns vs Bear Spray | The Final Word #wildspaces #guns #bears #grizzly #survival kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iauTeaupvq_DYKM.html

@batbutonfire 6 күн бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpacesshotgun with 00 buck shot and a wide choke.

@williamlashelle1145 Ай бұрын

G4eat vide

@TheFriendlyPsychopath Күн бұрын

@3:20 Did he ever randomly think about not going into with wilderness with Grizzly Bears that want to eat him?!🤔

@LEGOTROLL1 Ай бұрын

you think bear spray is magic ??? then you will find out it isnt.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Nobody is saying it is magic. But when used correctly, it is an extremely effective tool for self defense in the backcountry.

@LEGOTROLL1 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces but to rely only on spray is silly, like stopping a killer by spraying them with perfume, always carry a firearm.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

That is a common argument, perpetuated my many online, but it is none the less false. Bear spray is extraordinarily effective despite what you have heard online. It’s not a guarantee, and certainly it could have been more effective in Todd Orr’s case. But it is extremely hazardous to advise travelers in bear country to forego such an effective tool.

@LEGOTROLL1 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces use spray as well as carry a gun

@LEGOTROLL1 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces so you would knowing risk your life by going into bear country with just bear spray and no firearm at all ? then you must not care about family you will be leaving behind.

@jamiehurtt3530 Ай бұрын

Neither do guns always work

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

You make a very good point. Not sure if you watched the full video but I discussed the efficacy of guns towards the end of the video.

@jamiehurtt3530 Ай бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces A gun is only as efficient as the user

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

Very true. The same is true of bear spray, though bear spray is FAR easier to master. People need to be proficient with their tools otherwise they are a liability to themselves and others. If you’ve watch my other bear safety videos you know that there is no intelligent reason to not take bear spray.

@Phazix 9 күн бұрын

just learn Karate and defend yourself against those animals

@cobainzlady 3 күн бұрын

no way. thier fur is far too thick. they are muscle bound super athletes, heavy and big boned and super fast. . don't fool yourself !

@dhand34 Ай бұрын

Most grizzlies attack because they see human as a threat. Hunting wont solve that and WY and MT can’t manage anything.

@HomeInWildSpaces Ай бұрын

You bring up some valid points. Bears are mostly solitary, unlike lions or wolves, so hunting as a mechanism to discourage aggression seems problematic. The question I ask is, “What does a dead bear learn?” Hazing seems to me the answer. Hazed bears learn and pass that knowledge onto the next generation. Still there is the question of management. I’ll discuss more in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@antonlevkovsky1667 4 күн бұрын

@@HomeInWildSpaces Hunters kill less cautious and more opportunistic bears more frequently, this is statistical inevitability. Thus bear hunting creates natural selection for them. The timid ones which prefer to stay away from human as far as possible survive, procreate, eventually leading to a population which does not to bother random tourists.

@HomeInWildSpaces 4 күн бұрын

@@antonlevkovsky1667that is not at all certain. With modern rifles it is not only possible, but routine to shoot an animal at great distances, often the cautious bears you claim are being selectively breed through hunting. Hunting pressure may have a role to play in discouraging aggression, but the evidence is not at all conclusive and in many ways very problematic.