These Givi Pannier frames shown as suitable for 2021 onwards Moto Guzzi V7 does not fit my 2023 model!
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@stuartmoles8437 ай бұрын
From those instructions you’ve got the panniers for the V7 iii rather than the newer 850 v7, v7 owner and they are indeed different frames
@Trenotrenotreno123987 ай бұрын
Exactly, the panniers for 850 don't have that third "leg" whatsoever. I fitted them perfectly on my 850 stone.
@paultokeley7 ай бұрын
Just compared the special edition to the standard of the same year and unfortunately they have different exhaust/footpeg mounting brackets
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Paul my fault for not checking 👍🏻
@djeejah3 ай бұрын
thanks a lot for bringing this to my attention I just got the exact same special edition and was pondering adding Givi panniers which I reckon are simply not adapted to this model. Going for a different route with the Kriega US20 which appears to be easier to fit to the back of the saddle. Hoping sincerely that you can sort it out🙏
@martinholt28447 ай бұрын
That’s a bummer, hope you get it sorted soon!
@paulaustin59707 ай бұрын
Think your conclusion is spot on the V7 special has more up swept pipes so reckon the pillion hangers are different. Check the oem parts catalogue of v7 stone against v7 special, the bikes are all but identical apart from a few styling cues such as the more up swept pipes. Hepco & Becker do luggage options for the v7 stone special.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Paul thanks for that info 😊👍🏻
@KnightRider11577 ай бұрын
Never had any issues fitting Givi stuff to any bike over the years. So there's most likely a change in hanger, should show it on parts diagram from dealers
@davideccles16177 ай бұрын
From one Yorkshire man to another that’s a very interesting video 😊
@Ainsworth-Rider7 ай бұрын
What a bugger, but you will soon sort ready for 2024, so have a great New Year, David, and we will probably see you out on the road 👍
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Look forward to that pal 👍🏻
@mrgrizzlyrides7 ай бұрын
Ouch, Dave; that’s a real bummer. Bars back to the shop I think and see what advice they give. Hope it turns out all right in the end for you. Cheers Neil
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Neil return in progress
@billywhittaker52227 ай бұрын
The earlier models had different footrest hanger brackets to your model, definitely.
@duncancleverley63667 ай бұрын
Whatever the problem I hope you get it sorted soon and easily.. always frustrating when things don’t fit..
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Duncan….part going back to shop 👍🏻
@supercomp70787 ай бұрын
Just cut about 100-200mm off the bracket at the end that does not fit and have a new piece welded on that will now meet up with the exhaust hanger, a simple L shaped bracket will do the job. Not worth messing about with returns and sourcing other options.
@user-cu8xc9jb6f7 ай бұрын
The Givi website says this kit is not suitable for the 2023 special edition.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers buddy yes you’re right 😊👍🏻
@TheNorfolkThunderbolt7 ай бұрын
You could try fitting the exhaust mount first, and see if there’s any amount of flex in the steel with the top mount. It’s surprising how many times things get bent slightly out of true after manufacture to transit to retail. Just an idea. Let us know how you get on!
@andrewhayes42467 ай бұрын
A thought from experience, were the pannier frames sealed and new when you got them, or were they previously opened...?
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
@andrewhayes4246 sealed it seems
@paullown42617 ай бұрын
If you fix lower fixing first, will the top bracket pick up one hole?
@Grumpy-Goblin7 ай бұрын
I've just had a look on the Guzzi website and to me it looks like the fixing for the exhaust hanger is slightly higher on the special edition than it is on either the standard stone or the V7special if you look at the fixing in relation to the rear footpeg. This would make sense because that arrow can is much more upswept that the standard exhaust.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Mike yes you’re right 👍🏻
@teddy50697 ай бұрын
Perhaps your bike is a 2024 model and the makers have omitted to mention minor changes to the bike in the rush to get it to dealers
@MARKINAU87 ай бұрын
No it's 2023
@richardpascoe90187 ай бұрын
Not sure my first comment worked (poss link inserted?). I have the same bike and it's great to see this on the channel. Mine was a 60th birthday present to myself after passing my test last summer. Tested the Triumph 900, which was a brilliant bike, but I've wanted a Guzzi since I had a model V7 as a kid, so had to be. Have thoroughly enjoyed my first 1500 miles on it. I am considering luggage and had assumed any V7 850 racks would fit albeit with smaller bags because of upswept exhaust. I was thinking SW-Motech but not now! I did find an Italian company; Bags & Bike ("bags-bike" should find them) who do a V7 Stone SE specific kit, which look reasonable value. I can't wait for better weather and many more miles.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Thank you Richard yes a great bike…SW Motech and Hepco and Becker not at all cheap hopefully Givi will address the problem with a converter kit 👍🏻
@haxan66637 ай бұрын
This is really useful as I am pretty sure that the V7 is going to be my next bike and I will be needing luggage.
@Jimb0b11117 ай бұрын
Givi's website states that kit isn't compatible with the 23 SE model
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Thank you Jim that answers the question then so the 23s must have a slightly different frame 👍🏻
@Jimb0b11117 ай бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler Flat plate, 2 holes drilled, a spacer, some nuts and bolts and a quick spray of paint should fix it. Suprised Givi don't sell a special edition adapter kit for a few hundred quid lol
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
@Jimb0b1111 cheers Jim yes it wouldn’t be cheap if they did 😂
@chrisrob70007 ай бұрын
Givi website says not suitable for 2023 V7 special model. I assume you have been sent these frames.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Yes Chris I should’ve checked my bad 😂
@robertadams44157 ай бұрын
Sorry to say I think it's the exhaust hangers they are different
@hulkhatepunybanner7 ай бұрын
*I've sent parts back to eBay for not fitting a bike.* When I've purchased cheap knock-offs, the part I receive was not made correctly. In an assembly line, each worker checks the work of the previous and tosses bad ones. But if each worker is working on one whole part at a time, there's no one to check the work. (By cheap, I mean Chinese.)
@SirBedight7 ай бұрын
No idea. But I brought a leather tank strap for mine with the same 21 onwards fitting and the bolt holding rear of tank is 15 mm to far forward to the strap. No problem I could just make a new hole but the seller replied they’d sold hundreds through out Europe and no body has informed them of a problem with the other V7 models. But they do make specific straps for the special edition which has the hole further forward. So logically something has changed in the special editions.. Also I guess you’ve checked that the pannier’s will fit with the higher level exhausts.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Thank you buddy yes panniers fit fine 😊👍🏻
@SirBedight7 ай бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler 👍thanks. Can never tell when replying to stuff if you offend sometimes stating the obvious. Look forward to hearing why they don’t fit.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Actually I will need to lower the exhaust a bit to fit the boxes on
@MARKINAU87 ай бұрын
V7 850 IS ALSO LISTED AS V7 IV, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME
@mrnoisy48837 ай бұрын
Sure i read somewhere the Special Edition model with Arrow cans is different mounting than standard.
@michelcapel7 ай бұрын
Can you perhaps use only one bolt in the top mounting plate, using the front hole and mounting of to the aftmost hole in the frame? Perhaps the frame is then just this necessary one inch more aft .
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Thank you sadly it still won’t line up 😞
@johncranwell37837 ай бұрын
I probably wouldn’t waste any time, other than modify the bracket to fit and repaint it….. but then that’s just me
@theamateurboater58927 ай бұрын
Rack issues aside, that is a very good looking bike. It may be they've just sent the wrong rack.
@timothybrockbank74747 ай бұрын
It’s still a lovely bike
@mikerider587 ай бұрын
Really annoying , surely your not the first guy to buy this model then order a pannier frame or maybe you are . Anyway, nobody died. Bikes coming along nicely, can't wait to see it in action.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Mike yes I doubt I’m the first 😊👍🏻
@melfzs7 ай бұрын
Sorry to see you're having trouble with the fitting Dave , there's a similar situation with the Enfield 350 pannier frames from Hitchcocks, but they came with an adapter plate to overcome the footrest mounting difference between the 500 and the 350 classic. Literally a plate a couple of inches long with a couple of holes in it . Maybe you could knock up something similar with a step in it to compensate for the inward gap? Hope you get it sorted without too much aggro, Good luck with it Mel 🤞
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Mel I’m on the case 😊👍🏻
@anthonyrevell69037 ай бұрын
Please no more background music! Spoilt your vid.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
@anthonyrevell6903 most people like it actually
@davidellis59647 ай бұрын
Sounds about right with third party manufactures, I own a 2001 BMW R Nine T scrambler, the bike looks identical to the older model but its not, Changes to the cylinder head covers, bolt sizes and loads of other things. The amount of time I have spent sending back items that say they fit but they don't.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
I had the 2021 RnineT Classic
@davidellis59647 ай бұрын
Nice bike, well built, the scrambler is much like the classic with 19" front wheel, taller suspension. The only thing I don't like its heavy 225 kg. @@thebingleywheeler
@jeffcarroll69597 ай бұрын
Could you fit the bottom end first as suggested and leave all the bolts slack until you have them all fitted in place. From looking at the pictures, could you fit the top mount on the inside of the bracket to give you a bit more?
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Jeff I thought about that but it’s all so far off it won’t fit 😞
@simongilbert27047 ай бұрын
sportsbike are very good on returns ;; --- that german shepherd hair on the mudguard may be it ;;; it certainly is with my gsd - fur everywhere ;;
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Yes it’s his hair it gets all over me 😂
@maskedavenger25787 ай бұрын
To be honest I reckon hard panniers will spoil the look of that Guzzie . Just my opinion but I reckon it needs a set of robust leather or thick canvas panniers . Givi can get stuff wrong ,the rack they reckoned fitted my old Bandit didn’t , I had to revert to old school back garden shed fabrication to make it fit properly ,I had to do the same with my brother in laws Honda Silverwing Maxi scooter . Hope you get something sorted . Nice bike by the way ,should have loads of character 👍
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
I may go down that route….throw over soft bags 👍🏻
@maskedavenger25787 ай бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler Yea I can understand you wanting more secure luggage for your equipment ,but it would spoil the lines of that nice Guzzie . Looking forward to seeing you out & about on it ,once you got it all prepared & sorted . 👍
@mikehurley50527 ай бұрын
I would fit the lower mounting first then make a small bracket to mount the tops, unless you can change the frames for the correct ones, if available.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Mike I’m going to try that 👍🏻
@randomguy98937 ай бұрын
Perhaps the givi parts are wrong? Is there a part No stamped on them?
@deborahnielsen62867 ай бұрын
Bummer they don't work on the SE. Hepco and Becker make 2 different mounting brackets for it depending on the luggage system. I prefer the C-Bow mounts and side bag assortment. I have C-Bow brackets mounted to my Bonnie T120 and Honda NC750X. I can use the same side bags on either bike. Just got a mounting bracket for my Super Meteor Celestial blue. And sprung for a set of the new XCore hard lockable bags. Enough room for a small camera setup or drone.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Yes I was looking at the H&B alternatives. The thing is that I have Givi Monokey panniers fitted to my super meteor and just wanted to be able to use the same bags on both bikes…..so much for that plan😂. Might have to be the C bow system….but big bucks 🤔😎
@deborahnielsen62867 ай бұрын
I hear you on wanting to use the Givis. I would have wanted to too as all you'd theoretically need are the mounting brackets. Which is one of the reasons why I've gone to the H&B C-Bow system. Fits on more of my bikes but the side bags aren't as big as the Givis. Maybe that's a good thing the way I like to pack. :)
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
If you’re like me you’ll want Tardis panniers especially on tour….then I find that typically around a quarter of everything I packed was never needed 😎👍🏻
@Mikethebike7217 ай бұрын
It’s a total bummer but your paperwork says clearly, Moto Guzzi V7 Stone (2021) which is not what you have. Had a similar problem with my Honda a few years ago, tried to adapt it and bitterly regretted it. Send it back and get the right rack. What an absolute pain though. Good luck.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Mike I await their response on returns 🤔
@stevecoppin42787 ай бұрын
Hi Dave what a bummer mate , looking at the video there no chance of fitting them to this bike tbh , id just send them back , take care & ride safe
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Steve yes I’ve emailed sportsbikeshop hopefully they’ll take them back I’ve spent thousands there over the years
@anthonydexter2627 ай бұрын
Soft throw over luggage, dont spoil the lines of the bike by bolting an oil rig to the side of your beautiful v7 stone 👍
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
I have some Oxford throw overs somewhere so I’m inclined to agree Anthony 😊👍🏻
@robwilkguitar44587 ай бұрын
Do you think the standard exhaust is longer? The bracket/ frame may have been extended to accommodate the shorter silencer. Have a look at the picture or get the dealer to measure the standard bike.
@247ADIE7 ай бұрын
Cross reference against Givi part number before purchase would have saved time and effort if not money
@terrybrooks71407 ай бұрын
Maybe the two bolts in the frame are wrong and it should use one which would put it further back then you would have a spare hole at the back which could be for another bracket or a top box mount 🤔
@philiprobinson20117 ай бұрын
If you are handy you could make up a very simple adaptor piece. A piece of 3mm plate and a couple of bends would do the job.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Philip I’m thinking about that
@utuberagain182 ай бұрын
Did you contact Givi and did they state those saddlebags would fit your version of the 2023 model? It seems the answer is you bought the wrong ones.
@michaelgreenland46827 ай бұрын
Good morning from the Sheppey MG gang ie Colin metallic Blue 850 special, Phillip V711 stone, an now myself MG with a 'V7 special addition' same as yours. As I've still not collected but dropped off my part x interceptor and maybe next week ride away (maybe on my trailer). My simple question; the engine crash bars; the £55+ ones on eBay don't mention our models but they obviously fit and not wishing to get caught out like your panniers frames, could you give me link to the one's you bought please, many thanks, Oh; I bought a centre stand from the bike shop (Robinsons Canterbury) and its £180+vat, they are also fitting it foc! All the other suppliers; no names are in the 300 £'s and mine is out of a MG box :) happy days they say.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Hi Michael great to hear from the Sheppey MG Gang….regards to you all….the bars fit perfectly….here is the link www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334964164005?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=pjp-eoztrc-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=hG2szglJS4u&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
@rhip994 ай бұрын
Dave, I've been running Monokey luggage on an f650 and now a 1250GS for 20 years, and would love to use those panniers on a Special Edition. I thought of the same possible solution as one of the comments - a simple sheet metal plate, similar in size to the top mount, drill two holes and insert it like a shim to move the top mounting back far enough to allow the connection to the rear peg mount. I know this rack is gone, but you had mentioned a second problem even if the rack could be used, in that the panniers would not fit because of the up-swept Arrow exhaust. How certain are you of that? Would the panniers just be too close, likely cooking their contents, or would the pipe actually prevent them from sliding into the Monokey frames? Usually, the bags are outside of the area of the muffler. Thanks!
@thebingleywheeler4 ай бұрын
Definitely the pipes prevent the cases locking in
@ianhorabin97637 ай бұрын
Can you move the top bracket back&just use one support bolt, enough to mount it on the rear footrest..it should be strong enough..Ian.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Think I’ll try that Ian will need to do a bit of filing but might work 👍🏻
@gasguzzler55517 ай бұрын
Did you scratch the mudguard whilst attempting fitting or did it come scratched
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
There’s no scratch
@gasguzzler55517 ай бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler looked like a scratch @1:48 unless it is something else
@user-ci2ig2dc5p7 ай бұрын
Hi could you move the top bracket back using just 1 bolt fixing at top. Trim back the bracket to clear seat if necessary. Just a thought. Best wishes Dave
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Thanks Dave yes I tried that and it’s out the other way then….cant win 😂
@markvincent57497 ай бұрын
They will not fit!, I looked at this bike myself. When i went to view it i did not like it, something different i thought. My wife who is not that tall tried to get on the back, and found it difficult to get on as the pegs were too high for her. The reason is that the rear carriers are different to the standard Stone and classic versions, my wife can get on the later versions easily. Those exhausts require a new rear carrier, even the angle of the carrier is different. The only thing i can think of to help solve the problem, is to get standard rear carriers and fit them. I hope this helps.
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Mark yes you’re spot on my fault for not checking 😎👍🏻
@mauro91987 ай бұрын
on the special edition due to the exhausts the passenger pedals change
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers buddy 👍🏻
@donsmith35737 ай бұрын
Check the mark pullin video on the 21 model and stop the video as he shows that area of the bike and I think it looks different
@jezza1177 ай бұрын
bummer Dave, love to help out but looks like your either going to be on the horn to Givi or somebody got a fix, either way looks like your going to need some sort of a adapter piece or Givi have a special 'arrow pipe do hickey' and I'm betting it won't be cheap either..good luck mate
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Jezza I might have a go at making an adapter 😎👍🏻
@joetocchio96667 ай бұрын
Having owned a MG for many years now and always GIVI accessories you were sold the wrong part or weren't given an adapter or that new muffler system is preventing a correct fit or ...... Who knows??? But you'll figure it out 😂😂
@markpercy42777 ай бұрын
Hello Dave, will that top plate go behind the top frame fixing and by using only one bolt will that give you the position to fit the bottom fixing, l realise that's not part of the instructions for fitment but it might work. Hope you get it resolved soon bud 👍
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Mark possibly but whatever I do I’ll need to drop the exhaust lower to get the cases on
@markpercy42777 ай бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler Oh no, one thing leading to another what a pain in the proverbial
@stevesanelli907 ай бұрын
Ohh TBW, I feel for your misfortune. As another subscriber mentioned, if you were to move the upper mount 1 screw back, would the exhaust mount fit? I wonder if an upper adapter plate would attach the rearmost screw to take its place? Hopefully, you get it sorted in time for spring 🙏
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Steve I think the adapter plate is the way to go 😊👍🏻
@stevesanelli907 ай бұрын
@@thebingleywheeler After watching your struggles, I jumped on the GIVI website in Italian because of my Irish (not) background & it does say “not suitable for MY23 Special Edition”. Perhaps, your dealer failed to mention this because of their English background 😉😎
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
@stevesanelli90 cheers Steve yes they’re not compatible and I think that needs to be clearer on listings for the frames
@ianrobertson76517 ай бұрын
Simple, unfortunately you have bought the wrong kit 👍
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Indeed 👍🏻
@bluefoam7 ай бұрын
You've bought the wrong frames.
@michaelbowden13677 ай бұрын
good video send them back get a refund
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
Cheers Michael it’s in hand as we speak 😊👍🏻
@brie69667 ай бұрын
Your Bike is a (V7 Special Edition) NOT a (V7 "Stone") nor a (V7 Special) or even a (V7 Stone Corsa) Could this be the problem.?
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
@Brie6966 it’s a V7 Stone Special Edition and yes that’s the issue it seems 😂
@brie69667 ай бұрын
You seemed to have missed my point. Moto Guzzi's own website list 4 variants of V7. A "V7 Stone Special Edition" is NOT one of them. Is your bike a dealer Special assembled from the Moto Guzzi accessory catalogue? & therefore something of a hybrid.@@thebingleywheeler
@thebingleywheeler7 ай бұрын
@brie6966 no the V7 Stone Special Edition IS a Moto Guzzi made and marketed specific model available globally….the red and black paint scheme and the Arrow exhaust are by Moto Guzzi….nothing to do with the dealership
@MrB19677 ай бұрын
That's a pisser for sure 😕
@johndaniell8877 ай бұрын
Either take the gici back to the dealer or take the whole lote back bike and and tell them to get on with it you've paid out on bike and give stuff let them get on with it and no charge and make sure the do it correctly or they can have the lot back full refund