Awesome! Thank you!!

Thanks! So until your friends see the benefits of DMC Mesh (😊) it will be one of them who uses Universal Pairing Mode to “hack into”/pair to one of your Mobile Phone Pairing slots. Enjoy!

😂👏

Hello Darlene, how is this working for you? Two of my friends have Sena and I have bold? Wondering if I should just buy a Sens Evo to pair up with the two

Steve West Thanks for the feedback!

Very well said. It's crappy idea to connect with other brand. Big waste of time. For sure, this guy doesn't even experience what he is saying. It only tells us things about connecting to other brand but doesn't really experience it himself.

I pair with my cheap Lexin to a cardo and we can be a hundred yards or more than 5 vehicles apart and hear each other clear as a bell.

​@@jag1963- I've found my Packtalk Bold works really well with some of the cheap intercoms and I too can achieve some decent distance and still be able to hear clearly. I really rate the Packtalks even in Bluetooth mode.

Hall Stuart Right on, thanks!! Glad it was useful 👍

Do you mean like getting the government involved?

"regulation" is not necessary. Almost all electronics use USB system. Not because of any regulation, but because of the flexibility of the technology and from consumer demand. Regulation is an intellectually lazy option that usually freezes technology on a device that no one eventually wants.

Awesome and thanks for the comment @Hector Roman !

Got it. Thanks ! Just as stated .

lol! Convince those cats to go with Cardo's DMC Mesh and they'll be able to talk without spending an hour in the parking lot getting paired-up every time!!! 😎

Thanks!

Thanks for the comment! Only bluetooth remote control I'm aware of for the Packtalk is the "Cardo Connect" mobile app. Check it out if you haven't already...it acts as a full-fledged remote control of the headset and actually works well.

just use Discord .. or conference call via Phone .. and done you wont have the low range req

Cardo-to-Cardo is DEFINITELY a better experience than Cardo-to-Non-Cardo regarding intercom quality. For sure.

Thats my understanding too, but would love to hear a confirmation from @motogeek

Hi. If the Sena headset supports the Audio Multitasking or Audio Overlay feature then that will allow someone to be talking over the intercom with a non-Sena headset and listen to music at the same time.

Yes you nailed it, that is exactly correct 👍

1. Right on, thank you! 2. Theoretically, and if neither of you have paired to someone/something else that would have taken that same "pairing slot', then you would already be paired and set to go next time you see each other. However, because Universal Pairing from any brand will rob the mobile phone pairing slot of one of the headsets, most people will end up pairing their Actual mobile phone back to their headset after the ride, in which case blowing out the pairing to you and you'll have to use this same pairing process next time you meetup. Hope that makes sense.

MotoGeek Freak thanks for the reply! Follow up: cardo has 2 slots right, but so does the 20S? So shouldn’t they be able to work w the phones fine and then pair back up?

Yep, that's correct. If one of them goes to "Universal Pairing Mode", then you would HAVE to go to "Mobile Phone Pairing Mode" (because that's how universal pairings work) and that'll work. All 5 of you should be able to talk once the intercoms are opened up.

@@MotoGeekFreak nice thanks for the quick reply I'm gonna buy the Cardo instead

Same problem with a Scorpion Exo-Com (made by uclear) and a Sena 30k. Scorpion will pair to any mobile device or PC, Sena will pair to any Headset, but they just won‘t connect to each other.

Its exactly he said on video... I think nope...

I would like to know about this to.. I have a V6 and my friend has a Cardo g9

Thanks! Yes for the most part you nailed it. However, if the Sena you are "hacking into" (universally pairing with) has the ability to pair with 2 mobile phones, then that person (the sena user) COULD pair to their actual phone as well. Example: "Mobile phone pairing 1" would be taken by your Packtalk, and "Mobile phone pairing 2" would be his ACTUAL phone. Your Packtalk will be treating the relationship with the Sena as a true intercom connection, and the Sena would be treating the relationship as a "mobile phone" connection. Hope that makes sense and answers the question!

Right on thanks!

In my experience, any time you have one brand pairing to a different brand the range is DEFINITELY pretty tight. You have one side treating it like a phone (super short range) and the other treating it like an intercom (longer range), and where they meet ends up pretty short range.

Thanks! I don’t think it’s ever been made clear before by the manufacturers and almost everyone I run into struggles with this aspect of their comm setup, so hopefully this helps out and they come across it at some point! Lol

Would you mind if I share your video with the members of my Club the South Coast BMW Riders Club ? We motel / camp monthly plus day rides and this would help keep up together. I await your answer before I do anything.

Bill Reitz Thanks for asking and yes, absolutely. Most of my vids are on Packtalk (it’s the best d@mn intercom for motorcyclists by far) but I made this one to help out the riding community in general because it’s a real issue. So yes, absolutely!

@Hugo Hamaoui Thanks!! Unfortunately, anytime you're pairing one brand to a different brand, the intercom range REALLY takes a hit. The only real way to solve the range-issue when dealing with different brands is to call each other through your phones...but then of course you need to be within service range. Sorry to not be more helpful but hope it helps!

MotoGeek Freak that’s perfect thanks 🙏🏻 !!!:)

@@MotoGeekFreak we can also try a discord server option...

Right on, thanks!

@@MotoGeekFreak so the “mesh” headsets can only do the mesh deal with coms from the same brand ?

@@Fee.1 Yeah mesh-to-mesh can only be done within the same brand. BUT, say we had 2 Packalks connected in DMC mesh and 1 Sena 30k (sena mesh capable headset)....we could get all 3 headsets talking, but the relationship between the Packtalk and the 30k would be a Bluetooth connection, not mesh. Hope that makes sense!

@@MotoGeekFreak yep makes sense thanks, just ridiculous it’s implemented that say when Theresa no technical reason or excuse for not making them compatible, one or both companies have decided to take that route for max profits (which i imagine is backfiring) and that’s not cool

@@Fee.1 I feel you on that!!

As described in this video, yes. BUT, there's been an update from Cardo since I made this, and that update allows the Cardo and Sena to pair together using their standard Bluetooth Intercom Pairing on both sides! If the Sena has BT v4.1 or higher, then disregard this video and pair them together using normal intercom pairing on both sides (Cardo and Sena). If it's an older Sena, or some other brand, then this video is the way you need to do it. Hope that helps!

​@@MotoGeekFreak Thanks so much for taking time to reply. I am having no luck. I am trying to connect a Fodsports M1S pro to a phone, a Sena SMH 5 to a phone, and then the two to intercom. The Fodsports is ok. But once intercom is connected the Sena will not connect to a phone, and cannot intiate an intercom call. Videos keep saying press the jog dial - no matter what length of time I press the jog dial for, the Sena just goes in to a continual double beeping.

Thanks!! (1) That's correct. When paired as you described, the Sena "thinks" it's paired to an actual phone, hence they would have to tap the mobile button in the back to start/end intercom with you. If it was paired the opposite way - Sena (universal pairing mode) to Cardo (mobile phone pairing mode) - then it would be the other way around, the Sena would use the Intercom wheel to activate/deactivate intercom, and the Cardo would have to tap the Mobile button to start/end an intercom session. (2) I've had this happen as well. Try doing a master reset on the Sena and attempt again. No idea why, but most of the time that works out the issue. Hope that all makes sense and helps out a bit!

Is your friend using a Cardo or is this all Sena involved?

@@MotoGeekFreak my friend sena 20s i sena50s

Ok cool, if you've got the two of them connected and talking that means you paired them up right (good job). In your case, to open up the intercom from the Sena you must use the phone button (don't even bother with the sena's intercom button, won't happen)...BUT, as you said, that's not working. I hate to say this but do a Master Reset on the Sena 20s, pair them up again the exact same way you did the first time, and that should fix it (you should then be able to initiate the intercom from the sena as well by pushing the sena's phone button once). Hope that helps!

If you have two people with different brands communicating successfully via bluetooth, they yes, one of them will not be able to use his cellpone during that intercom session because their headset already thinks it's on a active phone call (as a result of the way it is paired). If their headset can only pair to 1 mobile phone, then they won't be able to pair to a "real phone" at all. If their headset can pair with 2 mobile phones (most modern headsets) then yes they could have their "real phone" paired as well, but would not receive anything from it while talking to the other headset. Hope that makes sense!

Thanks!!

Totally agree but yes unfortunately that's exactly right. If you're going to pair 2 headsets together that are different brands, then ONE of them will be giving up a "paired device" (like phone, GPS, etc.). Since conception, this is how every brand has obtained "Universal Intercom"........one goes into "Universal Pairing Mode" (and that one doesn't have to give up a device pairing) and the other goes to "Mobile Phone Pairing" because it's being tricked into thinking that it's pairing up to a phone. Hopefully that will eventually change!

Yes you should be able to do that and have all 3 talk at the same time. Here's the way it should look: Cardo-to-Non-Cardo - Put the Cardo into Cardo Gateway/Universal Intercom pairing mode. Put the non-Cardo into Mobile Phone pairing mode. Once they pair, put the non-Cardo aside. It will be a single tab on the Cardo's Intercom button to open/close the intercom with this unit THEN Cardo-to-Cardo - Pair the two Cardo's together on their "Rider B Pairing" channel. It will be a double tap on the Cardo's Intercom button to open/close the intercom here. SO, to get them all talking, take the one Cardo that's paired to both the non-Cardo and the other Cardo. A single tap of the intercom button should open comms with the non-Cardo, then do a double tap on that same Intercom button to open comms with the other Cardo. At this point all 3 should be open and talking. Sorry for the novel and hope that helps!

Yes - you will hear them and they will hear you, will work great 👍

Hi there. Since the packtalk slim and freecom 1+ are both Cardo headsets, you don't want to be using "cardo gateway" pairing mode (that's only for when pairing to a NON-cardo headset). SO, on both units, press and hold the "Intercom" button until you see the LED start flashing red. This will put both of them in the correct pairing mode. Once the LED goes solid red, then returns to a normal/slow blue flash, the units are paired together for intercom. Good luck and hope that helps!

@Gran Turismo Arena yes that's right, you nailed it. One of the Sena guys would use Universal Inercom pairing mode, and you would have to use Mobile Phone pairing mode...that would get you two connected. Then the two Sena guys pair with each other using the native Intercom Pairing. All 3 of you would be able to communicate at that point. When the time comes for the guy with the SMH10 (that thing goes pretty far back) to upgrade; should he get a Packtalk as well, that would change everything for the better. The 2 Packtalks would connect in DMC Mesh and you would just Bridge the Sena 10s into your convo. Sorry for the long answer but I think you've got it!

@@MotoGeekFreak Thanks very much for your in-depth reply, and for clearing that up for me. I really appreciate it,.