+whoohaaXL Why GM and Pontiac are the forces they are in the industry today

Haha Pontiac hasn't been a force for over a decade

@@mkIIIsupras Pontiac hasn't existed in over a decade.

Ratt and aplhaville

Nah. No music at all.

When the music stopped a few times, you could tell it wasn't original. Maryland Public Television would never have done such a thing.

I think they must have lost this episode and had to resort to a home video recording or something. The video quality is worse than normal.

Should have held out for the 88 version. With the Iron Puke and 3spd auto, I out maneuvered a Mitsubishi sports car in Glenwood Springs Canyon, Colo on I70. Just wish I had the Quad 4 and 5 spd in there. There would have been a LOT more victums.

Was it underground?

If you like a Fierro, you should like Ratt as well!

+FrightfulAccountant I loved the RATT music. Made the video.

Yeah the music is loud but still I would love to own either of these cars

"Lay It Down"!!!

Ratt n Roll

Invasion of Your Privacy one of the great album covers

Mark A nice my dad also 63 bought a 88 fiero new in 1988 and had a 72 nova ss 73 charger 68 corvette 63 falcon 69 mustang etc he had so many cool cars before I was born.

Try driving something decent mate, you'll probably crap yourself and wonder what on earth you were thinking.

@@garethcurtis7545 I will give him this. That 67 Chevelle is bad ass. Everything else though on his list is pure garbage.

@@christschool yeah it's OK. Still personally couldn't every purchase a GM product myself.

@@garethcurtis7545 Totally get that. However, the pre-1972 GM was a helluva a company. So many iconic cars. After 1972, its all garbage and I wouldn't buy any of it. In fact, after 1972, I wouldn't take one if someone gave it to me for free. Take a look at the 57 Chevy Bel Air, the 58 Corvette. Iconic cars and badass. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJePfsdz15-4l4E.html

Brakes my friend..

I hope that Corvette doesn't break too often lol

Cadillac v8 is what you mean. The allante engine is the best choice at 200hp and lightweight. Those fires fly with this mod!

@@stevesilvas9059 nope breaks is correct in regard to GM.. so how's that northstar swap gone? Badly I can assume.

Wow what a bunch of pricks ☝🏻

lol wut

Andrew Piatek, is true. Fiero is very beautifull and great car.

Eatinbritches The real reality is the MR2 is an ugly duckling most people wouldn't be caught dead driving.

supersportimpalass Face it, you're a salty Chevy fanboy and a shit troll. You're also an insecure loser who would avoid one of the all time greats just because it's not the prettiest. It's not even all that ugly, but you will never know. Have "fun" in your land yacht.

@@Eatinbritches Had a buddy with the MR2, it was a fun car but had lethal handling. He spun in in a curve when it started raining and that was the end of it. Once the Mazda Miata hit, then the MR2 faded away--such is life. I always thought the Corolla GTS (RWD Corolla with the MR2 engine) was the better car, had the MR2 engine but not the F'd up handling, goofy looks and lower reliability of the MR2. The first gen MR2 was a mess in reality...just like the first gen Fiero. Sports cars and Toyota have always been hit or miss.... does Toyota even make sports cars anymore...the FRS is a Subaru so...

I’m glad someone has mentioned this and I have to agree 100% driving a MR2 at high speeds is Suicidal...period

Not a fan of "Lay it down" by Ratt, eh? Great Drop-D song to play on guitar.

+whoohaaXL The music rocks.

Yeah... would much rather hear the engine/exhaust...

I guess the Japanees used British steel in the 80s because they basicual all have the same rust issues of the English cars. A shame really, mechanical they are all bulletproof. Even the turbos go forever.

Very true....but Japans cars made in Japan, and I think these were made in Japan, (like my very first Civic was) ,it was actually from Japan!! The cars FROM Japan lasted forever and not a spot of rust, or a repair!! But Jags. rust in the same spots it seems, all the worst expensive spots. It is a pity, all these nice old classic/fun cars are just rotting away. Unless they are in the dry states, and not up in the 'rust belt'! @@FrightfulAccountant

That's a GREAT IDEA! If they brought back the fiero or the mr2 it would be a massive hit!

The synth tune is Alphaville - Big in Japan. The rock tune is RATT - Lay it down. I Love the 80s ;-)

Those were hex head fasteners... a styling trend in the 80s.

I LOVED IT!!! RATT lay it down. perfect with the car. Totally 80s

+Richard Herzog is a douche bag.

+Judge Dredd And because of what? That he was young in the 80s? That he likes Ratt? Or that he drives a Fiero?

Judge Dredd OK child with a small brain

Richard Herzog Good one buddy

Don't know the paint code but it would be called GM 1988 "Bright White"

Thanks..i was wondering that!!!

Electropower steering was put into some 88s then recalled. There are 2 modules left known to exist.

1988s were the best. Better suspension & brakes. I had a 84 & an 88 Formula, no comparison. The Fiero was the sharpest car in its era. Not even close. It even looks good today.

True...power to weight way better and mid-engine better at limits.

If they had used the supercharged 3.8 ltr Buick v6 from the GNX PONTIAC would have killed the Corvette!

Yes.. 100% correct.

I had an '85 GT and it was the most fun to car drive I ever owned, the car had been lowered and the HP increased slightly, but that car stayed stuck to the ground like a vacuum - you could turn it any directly at any speed and the car just went that way, no body lean, no light front end being twitchy, it just turned insanely well. It was such a fantastically fun car to drive - it felt exactly like a big go-kart - in the best way. I test drove a 1990 MR2 (I think it was '90, it was a long time ago) and it didn't have that same joy - and I think it all came from the power steering. That '85 GT didn't have power steering and yeah, at very low speeds you had to put a little muscle into turning but it wasn't a big deal, but at speed you felt the road - directly - and that was fantastic. The MR2 didn't have that road fell at all and frankly the car was so refined it was kind of boring for a small 2-door sports car, sort of like a smaller slower version of a Corvette is probably the best way I could define it - it just wasn't what I expected, it felt kind of big for what should have been something small. I've owned a couple of Corvettes so the comparison there isn't an insult, it just wasn't what I was looking for, I was hoping for something that was more like the GT, a big go-kart that wouldn't break down and perhaps had a bit more power. It had more power but was clearly aimed at a different driver.

I'd pick the MR2 of course....

I had an AW11 and worked at a GM dealership - I drove a couple Fieros. I was not impressed. It looked and felt like a tacky yank tank. MR2 felt like a proper sports car. Lively handling is preferred in such a car, the Fiero for all it's advantages was set up for the typical American.

Lol and you forgot nobody in their right mind spent $19k in 1988 on a car that was as hideous as the MR2.

supersportimpalass Oh please, the AW11 is a far nicer looking car than the early Fieros. The later Fiero GT's were better, but then the SW20 is gorgeous and outranks it easily. Even then, the AW11 is a decent looking car. "Hideous" is a huge stretch. At least the proportions are correct.

GP1138 Than you.

Thank you! You are God sent!

I had an '85 GT and I wouldn't say it was ever fast, even with some mods I would say it was fairly quick by 1980s standards, but never fast. But to answer the question it's simply the weight - even though some say the Fiero was "heavy" - the thing weighted around 2600 pounds - and apparently if the MR2 weighed 300 pounds less, now you're talking 2300 pounds, which is insanely light by todays standards. So put a V6 or a supercharged 4 in a car that doesn't weigh that much, you get good performance. I never heard about a Fiero Turbo, but I know from the mod community that the Caddy Northstar V8 was an engine that fit perfectly into the Fiero engine bay and was a very popular upgrade in the 90s. I believe the Northstar V8 put out around 300hp, so you're talking a massive upgrade there. But to me, having owned a Fiero, the thing I loved about it was how fun it was drive. The Fiero I had was a bit modified by the prior owner and I'm not sure what all they did, but I do know they lowered the car along with upping the horsepower, and man, that car didn't have any issues staying stuck to the ground and going exactly where you pointed it. I've read the Fiero, and I'd assume the MR2 as well, have light front ends that would get scary if pushed and the cars would easily spin, but I never had that issue. But anyways these cars weren't really about speed, they were totally about the joy of driving, and at least the Fiero I owned had that.

I agree. I wish I never sold my 86. If it wasn't for the money and space I would still have that. I miss it.

Edgar Garcia Yeah I should have kept mine - it wasn't running as I cracked the engine manifold or something but for what I sold it for I should have kept it until I had more money then swapped out the engine, done a northstar V8 conversion or something. I don't really see these anymore - and I'm not sure 20 years later I would find the car as charming, but still, it was just a fantastically fun car to drive.

panther105 yeah the fiero was known to catch fire well several were reported.

Funny how no o ne knows anything about the fire issue with the fiero, less than 1 percent of them caught fire. More Ferraris and porches burned than fieros. I'll bet even more Mr 2 .

People calling this music crap, shouldn't be bothered watching cars of this era...

In the history of all of man kind, that is the most ridiculous thing ever said!

Nope. More chance the most ridiculous thing ever said, whas when donald Trump told the world that he was the least rascist person in the world. Sort of speak.

So not only are you ridiculous but a left wing extremist as well.

As opposed to what? Rockin' the right wing GOP (Greed Over People) extremist view? Such a broad "critical thinker" point of view that one is..... Say it people! YES WE KLAN!! Good for you! LMAO

I have to disagree, my parents made me get a MR2 over the fiero, the MR2 handled dangerous bad at high speeds I redid the suspension and it still was a death trap.... my MR2 was suicidal”sold it out of frustration” and bought a fiero it was bad at first “not as bad as the suicidal MR2” Did a few suspension upgrades and the fiero handled well...I WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER MR2!

Yeah I guess from the mid 70s on American car industry got in a negative circle. As much as I like the greatest of the american motor industry, there is no denaial in the fact that from the 80s on the Germans and the Japanees were beating the Americans as if it was WW2. A thing that continuous up to now, as there are very very little american cars we here in Europe even would consider to buy. The Pontiac Fiero is in my opinion among the best American designs of the day and, unlike most of its 80s and 90s counterparts, it was the sort of 'live in the fast line' glamish car that could put a smile on your face. Like a 1960 Cadillac Eldorado and very unlike a 1979 Ford LTD... It's pitty the Fiero came with so much initial problems, as this was one of the few cars that could had saved the american motor industry.

+Ronald de Rooij My 88 has apparently been very reliable. It still runs, and great.

+corvusala Lucky bastard! I am jealous.

+FrightfulAccountant I agree.