Mould in place silicone tyres (experiments and instructions)

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Team Panic

Team Panic

4 жыл бұрын

This week we take a look at upgrading my silicone wheels so that the silicone is moulded straight to the wheel without the need of a bonding agent.
Original video: • How to mould mini sili...
3d files: www.myminifactory.com/object/...
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@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
This video ended up being a little longer then I expected, so I'm going to re-upload just the moulding tutorial clips on Tuesday so that people have an easy reference to refer back to
@markxr1
@markxr1 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, as usual. I have used your recipe (approximately) for 150g Antweight wheels for some time, I've never tried overmoulding. I think it's interesting that the separately moulded tyres are usually made under-sized - at least, I do mine about 25% smaller and stretch them on to the wheels. But when you overmould them they will be 100% size, so are automatically looser, and I think this explains the failure mode you observed.
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah thats exactly it, silicone is stretchy so moulding at 100% size leaves streachyness for the silicone to come off the wheel, hence why the wheel with holes all the way though is needed
@straw-hatsnivy5749
@straw-hatsnivy5749 4 жыл бұрын
I have a question: What type of code do you use? (java, python, etc.) Thanks!
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a software/electrical engineer for a living, so I use a lot of different types of code. It depends on what I am doing, if I'm writing code for a microcontroller (like an Arduino) I'll use C, if I'm writing a web app I'll use Java script, if I'm writing an android app I'll use Java, if I'm coding something quickly to just get a result I'll use python. If you are looking for an easy language to get started with, learn python. But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter which one you start with, learning to code is like learning a new language. The difference between c, python, java, javascript, e.c.t. is like the difference between a Scottish accent and an American accent, but with code as long as you know exactly what you are trying to say you can easily google the way to say that in a specific accent
@53rdcards
@53rdcards 4 жыл бұрын
You can get hex shaped hubs that attach to your motors and would better fit your wheels over the round ones you have in the start of the video at least. And instead of the grove in the center, or its evolution with the holes, that is in the middle of the printed wheel, have you considered making a set of tabs that the silicon has to get into and the inside of the wheel part of the tab would have a larger head to anchor the silicon wheel, or maybe a L shape, some way where it has to do some crazy stuff to get loose. And for your molds, you might consider adding a loop for your fingers with a flat end so the mold can stand. put a finger loop on both parts so you have something to grip and can just pull them apart. Or if you have a quick clamp that you can convert to a spreader, make your loops able to slide onto the spreader part of your clamp, then your using mechanical means of separating things Edit: the thing im noticing is, when you have rotation and lateral movement, is when you are getting the tire off the wheels, you could see it both rolling up on itself in the direction of the rotation, but you could also see as it started to move laterally that it was pealing up sideways
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for all the feedback. Yes those brass hubs are hex hubs, but only the front 10mm (ish) is a hex shape, the rest has been rounded off to save weight. So the bit in the wheel is a hex Adding an internal L (or other shape) to the wheels is an interesting idea, it might be hard to jam silicone into them, but i think its worth a shot Adding a loop would mean that they dont sit flat on the print platform, normally I pry the lid off with a small flat head screw driver but I didnt have one on hand in this video. using a flat head or a spatula is much much easier then using your hands I think you are right on the lateral movement point, that is putting extra stress on the wheels. but in combat, especially in a heavy pushing match that type of lateral force will occur. so if the wheel cant stand up to it here, then it will fail in the arena
@hex1044
@hex1044 4 жыл бұрын
My god has it been a week since your last video already?
@dogbertinahat
@dogbertinahat 4 жыл бұрын
great work as usual, i do like to see your thought process and design evolution. just a thought, longer pegs/locking lugs for the mold for tool-less release when pressing on a surface
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a great idea! I'll do some experimenting with "how long is too long" and update the files after that
@slightlyevilrobotics4271
@slightlyevilrobotics4271 4 жыл бұрын
@@TeamPanicRobotics While watching the bit where you used the popsicle stick I had the though of a "mould release tool" that has the same lugs and you press the mould down onto. Has the disadvantage of another thing to print but you'd only need the one and it'd be reusable!
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
I could probably use a spare top mould piece to do that. I'll have to test it when I do my next set
@mrjackson2k
@mrjackson2k 4 жыл бұрын
You could even taper the top of the longer pegs to aid in alignment.
@literailly
@literailly 9 ай бұрын
Do you ever add any cornstarch? (people call silicone and cornstarch "oogoo")
@pineapplekiwi7804
@pineapplekiwi7804 2 жыл бұрын
I 3d print my tires in tpu and they're like tank treats with little notches and i print them smaller and stretch then over the wheel, haven't had issues
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 2 жыл бұрын
I printed TPU tires for a little while too, but because the sure hardness of tpu is quite high (around 95A) it doesnt provide a ton of grip. So TPU tires will tend to lose pushing matches
@TimInertiatic
@TimInertiatic 4 жыл бұрын
Would locating pins on 'wings' of the 3 part mould so it stays concentric help?
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
Yep! My original plan for those wings was to run a bolt through them in the 3 part mould. But I got a little lazy and decided binder clips would be faster to get the mould together. Its fairly easy to get the halves to line up with the clips, but I think I'll go back to the bolt idea for the final versions
@razer259
@razer259 4 жыл бұрын
I have tried to make those tyres a few times with the old moulds you uploaded (printed in ABS), and each time, I failed. My most recent attempt was ALMOST a success, but when trying to fit the tyre onto the wheel, it split apart. I refuse to give up of course, so it's just been a series of trial and error. It is good to gain further knowledge of this technique. Using tiny amounts of paint and glycerine, leaving it to cure for the required time length, it's good to learn all those things. Are there any particular brands of silicon you would recommend? Maybe I could be using the wrong type, as I only followed the "100% silicon" guideline from your old video. Is there also a limit on how many times you can use the same single mould? Can it be cleaned easily? I recently saw Chris had used an ABS mould for Lumberjack's wheels, with success, but that could be just because it was fresh from printing. Sorry for the avalanche of questions. I'm just so eager to learn!
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
All good man, happy to help: "when trying to fit the tyre onto the wheel, it split apart": this sounds like the wrong type of silicone, did you get a strong vinegar smell when it was curing? "Are there any particular brands of silicon you would recommend?": yes the exact tube I show off in this video. I got mine from bunnings, its $11-ish a tube, (plus a few bucks for a tube gun) and it will make a lot of wheels "Is there also a limit on how many times you can use the same single mould?": I haven't found one yet. I think I've got up to a dozen runs through a single mould. "Can it be cleaned easily?": yep! silicone doesn't stick to PLA so once the silicone is cured it can just be rubbed/rolled off by hand. I don't really bother cleaning the outside but I will pick any leftover silicone in the mould out before starting a new tyre ABS may work the same as PLA, the only reason I don't mention it in the video is that I have no first-hand experience. I find it way easier to print PLA so I print everything in PLA unless I need ABS for strength/flexibility reasons
@slightlyevilrobotics4271
@slightlyevilrobotics4271 4 жыл бұрын
I've made these wheels with ABS moulds, found I really need to use a mould release agent (canola oil spray) to get them to release properly
@trjozsef
@trjozsef 4 жыл бұрын
Instead of clippers you could use screws to fasten the three-part mould together.
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, that was the original intention but I got impatient when doing the CAD for the moulds and sent them to the printer without the holes for the screws
@bobbydalton3024
@bobbydalton3024 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever made 1/24 digital car tires in if you did would you sell any
@TeamPanicRobotics
@TeamPanicRobotics 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry no, I havent tried anything that size and I'm not set up to sell what I make
@StupidRobotFightingLeague
@StupidRobotFightingLeague 4 жыл бұрын
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