Mountain Bike Disc Brakes | SRAM vs. Shimano

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Mountain Bike Disc Brakes | SRAM vs. Shimano - Which is Best?

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The SRAM vs. Shimano brake debate is a long-lasting one and a topic that has divided mountain bikers for years. While both brands offer options for all levels of riding, the way in which they deliver stopping power varies significantly. Rather than pick which one is better, we decided to compare the two back to back and point out the key differences. Hopefully, this clears up the confusion and helps you better decide which are right for you!
Although you can’t go wrong with SRAM or Shimano, the amount of personal preference involved when picking your own set cannot be overstated. Performance for both is top-notch however, the way in which they deliver it could not be more different. Looking to stop on a dime? Shimano will be your best friend. Want more modulation? SRAM is going to be best for that. Either way, you are getting a quality set of brakes that will improve confidence out on the trail.
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@WorldwideCyclery 4 жыл бұрын

We have an updated & much better version of this video here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kKiahMJ1ubvcZ30.html

@justinplatts3754 6 жыл бұрын

U can also use trees to ur advantage to stop quickly. No brakes needed.

@NickFoxQuixand 6 жыл бұрын

Justin Platts I've tried this, the modulation is rubbish

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

True! Also have used a tree, bad modulation. But have you tried bushes? Bushes have the modulation you need.

@Taz3459 6 жыл бұрын

Sure... but they still hurt

@bobdixon3048 5 жыл бұрын

Justin Platts I followed your advice and ended up in hospital for two weeks

@mtb4all569 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I heard you face works to! You can see it working!

@matthewsporle4501 6 жыл бұрын

People who say Shimano have no modulation can't modulate their own fingers 😂

@Krom1hell 6 жыл бұрын

A man with the same tastes.

@rollinrat4850 5 жыл бұрын

When you consider how the human body can adapt and conform to our injuries and weaknesses you simply havent tried hard enough if you cant adapt to different feeling brakes! If you experiment with your lever and control’s position, youd be surprised what a difference it can make. Try setting up brake levers so they make braking contact closer to the bars. Move levers inward on bars so your forefinger pulls at the end hook on the lever. You get much better mechanical advantage from your hands that way. I brake with one finger. That way my Shimano brakes dont feel grabby at all, most of my hand holds the bar and I have the most possible leverage with one finger tip. If you have to brake really hard, scoot your hand in to use 2 fingers. Simple!

@anomien6346 5 жыл бұрын

I run sram guide rsc and my friends shiamno the modulation is pretty much the same tho lol

@anomien6346 5 жыл бұрын

I run Sram brakes and my friends Shimano the modulation is pretty much the same tbh

@duczmal 5 жыл бұрын

Yes the have from 2019/2020, 9100 XTR and 8100 XT and 7100 SLC

@thomasakapommes 6 жыл бұрын

Shimano xt brakes and sram Eagle drivetrain is My choice :D

@MTBFlowRider 6 жыл бұрын

Was rocking SRAM's but just switched to Shimano Zee's. Couldn't be happier with my decision!

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Nice! What about the Zee's do you like better? What Sram brakes were you using?

@wcovey25 6 жыл бұрын

I just switched to zee's from guides and am so happy. Zee's have a more predictable early lever bite that the guides lack. The guides felt spongey and the lever action was very sloppy, unlike the shimanos whixh have solid build quality and a tight lever feel.

@MTBFlowRider 6 жыл бұрын

Worldwide Cyclery I had the guide rsc then switched to the new codes. I guess I just like the stopping power more on the shimano's over the modulation on the SRAM's. Guess it fits my riding style better. I was having a lot of problems with the SRAM brakes also.

@ericjonpo 5 жыл бұрын

Me I had Guide R's that came with the bike. They told me it was bled well. I didn't like having to pull it all the way for decent stopping power. It felt like the dot fluid wasn't even there. When I tried Zee's, I was relieved.

@BigBoyGiraffeGraff 5 жыл бұрын

MTB FlowRider hey was thinking of getting the Zee’s for my back brake is it worth for 150 with rotor

@mravocadoman2999 6 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that if you feel like shimanos don't have enough modulation, maybe you should learn how to ride your bike better

@mattleonard5268 6 жыл бұрын

Yes. Sram is for Neanderthals who can only grab the brakes full on, and need a brake that won’t tbrow them over the bars. I love grabby “snappy” brakes that I can give a light touch to and they will always have enough bite. I have that with shimanos.

@canadianroot 6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Love my 7 year old XTR brakes. As good as new. Nothing more than the regular seasonal maintenance.

@koho 6 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that if you can't appreciate brake modulation, maybe you should learn how to ride better.

@ketmax2805 6 жыл бұрын

koho modulating shimano brakes takes skill while sram are just out there making people not use brakes properly.

@koho 6 жыл бұрын

I have plenty of skill, thanks. You're just repeating what I already replied to without adding anything.

@ThunderStruckMTB 6 жыл бұрын

I'm a Shimano guy... SLX to be specific. I do all of my own builds and wrenching, and while that has something to do with it, it's more because of the feel and durability over SRAM...... and we haven't even talked about turkeys yet.

@lefreakify 6 жыл бұрын

The SLX is a great break, I would always go for it, xt, zee or saint are not much better especially on trails.

@michaelmuller7734 6 жыл бұрын

ThunderStruckCoach Same, i use the slx in my Genius and I cannot complain obout them

@alexnicolaou3579 6 жыл бұрын

same here. i stuck with slx because, if the overall difference from deore to slx is like 30% improvement, slx to xt is more like 3%, mainly slight weight savings.. which does not justify the higher cost. my drivetrain is full XT and XTR, but i stuck with the slx brakes for their awesome power, durability, feel and price tag. tried sram and hope also, but none come close to the slx. + the levers can be used with 4 pot calipers if i want some more power. happy days

@Tonyplat98 6 жыл бұрын

SLX FTW.... they're relatively cheap and the best brakes for the money no doubt...

@sonnybocalajr.725 6 жыл бұрын

The new Deore brakes are actually really good, a big improvement from the previous generation.

@akmalvlog6587 5 жыл бұрын

I like how shimano feels!! Shimano squad where u at?

@TroggyPK 6 жыл бұрын

Working as a mechanic, i find myself laughing every time i see someone has had yet another problem with a sram brake weather it be pistons seizing or seals breaking down... Whereas shimano is an absolute delight to work on but barely ever comes in with a problem....

@Bigred10101 5 жыл бұрын

To be completely honest that is the sole reason I run Shimano brakes on all my bikes!

@jmanswat2457 5 жыл бұрын

I was about to say the exact same thing. Have two Sram lockup warranty jobs at the shop as we speak. I believe the DOT fluid is the problem.

@sp4msolo724 4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Sram are absolutely rubbish. Constant problems. I threw mine in the bin

@FL-cq2ig 4 жыл бұрын

Just a question, how about putting mineral oil on the SRAM´s? Would it damage the seals?

@bobvelting379 4 жыл бұрын

@@FL-cq2ig the sram seals are not disigned to work with mineral oil, so i don't think that will work reliably. if you want to get more modulation from your brakes you could try shigura brakes (shimano calipers and magura levers) these brands can run the same fluid.

@Kello7000 6 жыл бұрын

WATCHING THIS WITH V BRAKES

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Sounds like it is time for a new bike! :)

@yyhama2013 5 жыл бұрын

Yeeah!! 😂😂 we're the resistance!

@bananasstuff3344 4 жыл бұрын

READING THIS WITH CANTILEVERS

@alejandrocdelariva1417 4 жыл бұрын

I have mechanical disk brakes

@purgefinx 4 жыл бұрын

I dont Have money. NOT EVEN FOR GOOD BRAKES.

@duedate1 6 жыл бұрын

I ride Shimano XT brakes ,with Ice Tech Rotors . Would not switch to Sram .

@rafaeltrujillo8210 4 жыл бұрын

Mee to i do that as well. The're the perfect match

@greedfox7842 4 жыл бұрын

I melted a set of brake cables on a downhill once... never going without icetech again...

@jamescarlosrebadajo6162 4 жыл бұрын

Shimano brakes + Sram drivetrain is the best combo

@greedfox7842 4 жыл бұрын

@@jamescarlosrebadajo6162 unfortunately sir, Box makes the best drivetrain... Prime 9 yo, get with the program. >:3

@pitduck7499 6 жыл бұрын

SRAM wear out, Shimano wear in...

@sonorangaming449 6 жыл бұрын

Shimano brakes, Sram drivetrains.

@amermeleitor 6 жыл бұрын

yeah!!

@gorangagic5424 6 жыл бұрын

Are you my long lost twin?

@CommercePlug 6 жыл бұрын

Totally agree I got shimano xt brakes and sram xx1 drivetrain

@rkize3286 5 жыл бұрын

Super true

@lukesimmons8524 5 жыл бұрын

agreed

@evltwin984 5 жыл бұрын

I ride downhill with no brakes at all. Just my foot on the tyre🤘

@nathanwforrest 6 жыл бұрын

With Shimano, the rider commands the wheels to STOP TURNING RIGHT NOW (for better or for worse.) With SRAM, the rider makes speed adjustment requests to the brakes for consideration, eventually.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Well said sir!

@WAZmc 6 жыл бұрын

100% correct. Bought a new bike with sram code brakes. I thought something was wrong with them. I’ve gotten used to it now but Shimano rules brakes for sure.

@BrandonViani 6 жыл бұрын

Cute, but not true at all.

@scottkocjancic644 5 жыл бұрын

Shimano SLX came on my Pivot 5.5 on the build kit I could afford. 7 months of riding and I have had absolutely zero noise from brakes. Always had to be cleaning rotors on my Sram brakes on older bike because of howling. No issues with modulating braking, love these brakes. I am NOT going to miss de-gassing the dot 3 fluid on bleeding process, but I have not had to bleed brakes Shimano yet.

@dennismicallef9350 6 жыл бұрын

Been using shimano for years and years... Sram feels ok and I'm sure I could adjust to srams but the easy bleeding on shimano keeps me loyal.

@sidvish159 6 жыл бұрын

I am a SRAM fan but I did get a set of Saints on a new(to me) bike and really like the Saints as well. Different feel but enjoying them.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

All about personal preference :)

@jacklong5812 6 жыл бұрын

Shimano XT fan.....SRAM did have a recall on the Guide brakes in 2017...oversized main piston (lever) caused the pistons to get stuck down if they got too hot, as a mechanic at a bike park I had to deal with over 100 sets of warranties last summer. SRAM is great about replacing/fixing without question but never once have I seen a Shimano brake warranty/recall.

@UncleVoodoo 5 жыл бұрын

I have XTs on one bike and Guide REs on another.... while the Guides have more "modulation", I have no problems modulating the XTs... to a point where I wouldn't buy one or the other on that selling point. Durability and servicing puts the Shimanos on top of my list so much so that when the Guides need the 1st bit of service Ill just replace them with Shimanos instead.

@fuzzyzinker4794 5 жыл бұрын

I have two top of the line bikes that came with SRAM brakes. They both dragged slightly after a short while. Now with XTR, no drag at all and I have no idea about poor modulation. They modulate fine. They were easy to cut lines and bleed at install. All four brakes feel great and perform exactly the same. Mineral oil is a huge plus with Shimano also

@jackfederski7646 6 жыл бұрын

You said it, the most important aspect to the feel of the brake is how it is bled. It is much more difficult to properly bleed the SRAM brakes, so in practice, the Shimano will feel better. I had two sets of lower end bikes with SRAM Elixer 3. I spent so much time trying to properly bleed the brakes, and I couldn't solve the brake howling problem (many forum, 2011 stumpy FSR). I bought the cheapest Shimano, threw them on, and they solved all of the problems instantly. Also, the SRAM Avid Elixers have a weird mutli-dimensional bushing system where it can be aligned in several dimensions including tilt. It took awhile to get it perfect. The shimanos were straight block on block mounting. Threw them on, aligned them quickly, and good to go. Many times better. Shimano ALL THE WAY!

@johncast9565 6 жыл бұрын

Shimano's all the way, Resin in the rear, heavy metal up front= Party.

@claritean 6 жыл бұрын

john Cast interesting idea, I am running metal +resin / metal +resin now and that works just great, altho it's too much bite in the rear sometimes. Maybe I do it your way

@T-Lens 5 жыл бұрын

I've bought myself a set of used Sram Guide Ultima's. Probably because the owner didn't like them very much. But it turned out they had the known issue with the seized piston in the levers. So I took the time to learn about the brakes, bought myself 2 upgraded lever overhaul kits with the new revised pistons and a Sram bleeding kit. Then again, I took the time to fix the levers, bleed the system according al the great KZfaq instructions available. And voilà! A set of perfect Sram Guide Ultima's for half the price! And then I upgraded them with some sintered brake pads. Man oh man... They are now the best brakes I've ever used. Even al my friends who tried them agree. But like I said, learn to know them, it's not that hard, and learn to service them yourself. And take your time to do this. You'll be very pleased of the result.

@WorldwideCyclery 5 жыл бұрын

Nice job troubleshooting! We are all fans of those brakes here at the shop!

@Esteb858 6 жыл бұрын

Hope brakes FTW! I've been running Hope brakes since 2009 and they have never let me down. Great modulation and power. Also love how easy they are to work on and rebuild. It seems Shimano and Sram (aka Avid) brakes are throw away parts. When something goes bad with Sram or Shimano you have to buy a whole new unit like a complete brake caliper or brake lever/reservoir.

@sultanabran1 6 жыл бұрын

Hope brakes crap on shimano and sram

@mtbrapture1890 6 жыл бұрын

That's preference, hope have more stopping power while shimano have more bite. Out of the 3, hope have the best levers, I have run all 3 and I have snapped countless levers from shimano and sram, never snapped a hope lever.

@sept836 6 жыл бұрын

Yet hope cost so must. Magura us the way to go trials and mtb

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Steven_Bikes Hope brakes are sweet! What model are you using?

@Esteb858 6 жыл бұрын

Worldwide Cyclery I still have hope Tech Evo M4’s on my hardtail and Hope Tech3 E4’s on my Transition Smuggler

@meagainok19 5 жыл бұрын

I've always ridden with Shimano brakes so I'm used to them and also very happy with them. I haven't tried SRAM so can't comment on those. I'm sure that riders who have used SRAM for a long time would choose those as their preferred braking. No winner here, just different opinions which is good and keeps both companies trying to make better brakes for all of us.

@MTNcorps 6 жыл бұрын

I ride Zee 4 piston calipers on ice tech rotors. I’ve never had to think about them on my gnarliest rides so no need for a change.

@digitalperson108 6 жыл бұрын

All this talk of lack of modulation is pure nonsense. Plenty of modulation in my Zee's and when I need to toss out the anchors, they are hulks. Mushy is not equal to modulation. Shimano has PRECISE control. I would like an ACTUAL free throw adjustment though.

@helmetless 6 жыл бұрын

Rode with M8000's, cool! Then had a budget crisis, bought used M7000's. Now switched to Guide RS. GOD! These are surreal!

@johannesrohrl2283 5 жыл бұрын

I tried a formula cura, it had incredible stopping-power, but you have to be very strong. In the end i switched them to XT 4 Piston-Brakes and i lived happily ever after. For my other bike i am building a Shimano XAINT (XT Lever + SAINT Callipers = XAINT) cannot wait to test them in the alps...

@mitskoala0380 6 жыл бұрын

Real men don't use brakes

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Haha damn straight!

@andrewmayer2443 6 жыл бұрын

Flintstone style!

@BowlGOfficial 6 жыл бұрын

so bmxers are the REAL men?

@neaht1103 6 жыл бұрын

BowlG Official nah fixed gear users are

@BowlGOfficial 6 жыл бұрын

Homo Floresiensis a bmx never had a derailleur

@thomaswyatt199 6 жыл бұрын

I don't think people realize how often you should bleed your brakes or replace there brake pads. Hearing people say how there brakes don't feel the same after 4 months of riding of course not they need regular maintenance. I most ride bike park and I bleed my brakes once a month. Sram have been some of the worst brakes I've every use. My guides the lever would always stick warranty it 4 times for the same thing and had to bleed them every couple of days been on shimano's ever since with no issues.

@ib3287 5 жыл бұрын

I have SRAM Guide RS brakes. I have no complaints. I work at a bike shop, and everyone else at the shop hates all things SRAM (drive train, Rockshox, brakes.) But I think it comes down to a good bleed. Mine have plenty of power and modulation.

@eddgrs9193 6 жыл бұрын

I don't even look at other brakes since I got my first SLX brakes. Their reliability, price, ease of installation and maintenance can't be beaten.

@robertwehlau8906 6 жыл бұрын

Shimano XT along with ice tech rotors..... all the way!,,,

@wcovey25 6 жыл бұрын

I agree

@rafaeltrujillo8210 4 жыл бұрын

A wevo

@BrandonViani 6 жыл бұрын

I was an XT Shimano fan until I got my new bike with SRAM Code Rs. Although Shimano wins in the durability department, the finite and incremental braking ability of SRAMs can’t be beat. I preference SRAM’s performance over Shimano’s edge in durability.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

The guys at the shop that have been riding the Codes really enjoy them also. The adjustment available in the RSC versions just adds to how awesome those brakes are. :)

@mantroid 5 жыл бұрын

My linear brakes on my vintage mtb lock up when I pull hard on them, and the modulation is off the charts. Sounds to me like digital vs. analog.

@TurningPower 6 жыл бұрын

As a mechanic myself, I find shimano's are far easier to bleed, mineral oil being less harsh on your skin (if spilled), and doesn't turn acidic and destroying the brake (if not changed every 2-6 months in wet climate). BUT cheap shimano's/tektro's tend to leak from the piston o-rings more often + no spare parts, except for complete calibers/levers. So go for shimano if you like the firm brake feel and/or live in a wetter climate. Or go for SRAM if you live in a dry climate and want better modulation. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with other brands :(

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

TurningPower valid points and thoughts! Thanks for the great comment :)

@chumpmtb2554 6 жыл бұрын

XT brakes are easy enough to modulate. They just require a softer touch, but you get used to it fast. They can be a little touchy when manualling or learning to wheelie tho

@tobiasstamenkovic9628 6 жыл бұрын

I prefer Shimano, not having any problems with modulation. They dont have alot of travel after they engage, but once youve gotten used to pressure, as opposed to travel, controlling the "bite" it feels really, really awkward to go back to something that essentially feels and behaves more like youd expect it from mechanical brakes. You gotta say tho, that if you occasionally switch between your Trailbike and lets say a Commuter, that comes with V-Brakes, your having a much easier time not adapting to 2 completely different brake charachteristics.

@ollydickinson2196 6 жыл бұрын

My dad’s bike has Sram Guide R’s and they were incorrectly bled outside the box! But when they work, I love them. I don’t mind either brand.

@ericokompatzki7110 6 жыл бұрын

I'm team Magura. I still use the MTS and they have a very nice strong, but still modular feel. Sort of like the best of both worlds in terms of feel...at least for me

@TonyFernandezjkdjedi 6 жыл бұрын

Whatever comes with the bike, I'm good with that.

@wcovey25 6 жыл бұрын

What about reliability... Shimano wins

@davidcozma3583 6 жыл бұрын

Will Covey shimano have lots of leaking lever issues ,especially on saint amd zee,i had both saint and zee brakes and levers started leaking in no time. I hate shimano reliability,on the other hand i ve had elixir 1 ,elixir 5 ,elixir 9,sram code and guide and never had any issues.

@wcovey25 6 жыл бұрын

David Cozma I have shimano zee's and they have never had any issues for over a year. On the other hand the guide brakes I had where total crap not to mention they don't have any bite.

@ilovekfc2 5 жыл бұрын

Will Covey ehhh I’m not sure about that one

@alanvillarreal2288 5 жыл бұрын

totally, im a bike mechanic and i see 1 shimano brake fail for every 10 sram/avid, sram even tough everyone rides shimano here, sram brakes are shit, i wouldnt recommend them to anyone

@jmanswat2457 5 жыл бұрын

@@alanvillarreal2288 . Agreed. We don't even carry sram brakes for sale in our shop.

@0neTwo3 6 жыл бұрын

I’m running the TRP G-spec Slates..... modulation right in between sram/shimano, and they use mineral fluid which I much prefer to DOT. Dot fluid seems to crap itself out requiring at least annual bleeds.... mineral fluid can be used for YEARS without needing to be messed with.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Well said sir!

@andrewmayer2443 6 жыл бұрын

With my Shimano brakes, they lock up quick, and there’s little room for modulation. Once you get used to it, they’re amazing.

@veganshredder 6 жыл бұрын

I compare these brakes to different sensitivities in a first person shooter video game. Shimano brakes utilize a high sensitivity which requires less physical input. Sram brakes are like using a low sensitivity, where you need lots of physical input to brake. Highly skilled riders tend to prefer higher sensitivities, while less skilled riders need a bit more modulation.. XT brakes all the way because I'm so skilled.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Honestly a brilliant analogy there!!

@rewind9536 6 жыл бұрын

Shimano can get rid off the on/off feeling with a change to Galfer brake pads. Much better modulation with the power of a shimano. XT8000 is powerful but Shimano Saint are about 50% more powerful. But Saint are heavier too. Also, Hope Floating brake rotors will give more modulation as well.

@selimgnr 6 жыл бұрын

After using shimano deore for a while i am now using hope e4 front and x2 rear combo. All i can say they are amazing. Modulation is off the roof and bleeding is dead easy.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

selimgnr nice! Hope does make great products all around. What bike do you ride?

@selimgnr 6 жыл бұрын

Worldwide Cyclery, my bike is an entry level cross country bike with cheap components. Bianchi ntx9. But next year hoping to buy canyon torque. We have realy good all mountain, freeride trails here. I feel my bike is not up to task right now. Upgrading the brakes certainly made a huge impact though.

@rollinrat4850 5 жыл бұрын

I used to like modulation of my Juicy’s. They rubbed constantly after 3 years. No matter what I tried. They still look great though!Pretty much dumpster filling though!They were replaced by SLX. The issues I had are very common on Sram breaks. I have XTs that are a year older than the juicy’s. They work fine. Still trust my life with them!! All my brakes are flushed and bled at least once a year. If you expect your stuff to perform and last, you gotta maintain it! DOT fluid ( whats in Srams)absorbs water, it also hardens piston seals, hence the dragging. DOT fluid will mess up your paint. Many people forget Shimano is the biggest parts manufacturer. They can engineer and test better than anyone else. They seem to do it before parts reach the market too. Srams been having some quality issues lately, before that the Elixirs were hated by mechanics everywhere and I already mentioned Juicy’s.

@Jeppelelle 5 жыл бұрын

Alot of Shimano fans in the comment section ;) Personally i prefer Magura (with upgraded levers since their own are crappy), but between SRAM and Shimano, i would choose SRAM, it does not bother me in the least that i have to pull the lever 4cm instead of 1cm to make the SRAM:s lockup compared to Shimano, those extra 3cm gives me linear modulation, i will never understand why Shimano guys want an on/off switch instead of 3cm extra modulation.

@flow2tech 5 жыл бұрын

Because u can modulate shimanos with just an ever so slight feathering of the brake with barely any finger pull... Just got to get used to them.. They are second nature to me 10 years in.

@SKFaisalMahmud-jv3yg 5 жыл бұрын

i got a shimano MT-200 and it is giving me more than enough power to stop

@alyx680 6 жыл бұрын

Loved my m8000 XT brakes for years, hated my SRAM RS initially, then i swapped the pads it helped... upgraded to RSC and found them to be very capable brakes. Until I learned to bleed them properly I was never 100% about them, but after a good bleed and figuring out how to pressurize the system slightly I love my SRAM RSC's! I would happily own either XT or RSC or higher models.

@MarksTournaments 4 жыл бұрын

Magura anyone, best of both worlds

@rafaeltrujillo8210 4 жыл бұрын

Naa i have a magura hydraulic german made and they dont work anymore. Not reliable at all

@Max_Rowley 4 жыл бұрын

I have mt2’s and they make a horrible noise whenever I brake, kind of like there is water on them when they’re bone dry

@braulioperez181 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent video and finely explained. I am in the route to buy a new bike but I rather prefer mechanical disc brakes, Unfortunately, the majority of top brands are selling hydraulic disc brakes. Yes, I thinks Shimano and TPR are the best for common joes. SRAM spongy, hummmm no good.

@teamramrodmtb 6 жыл бұрын

It's not that they're spongy, there's more modulation from engagement to lockup. Shimano brakes are more touchy, which feels good for experienced riders, but can actually get dangerous if you throw a complete beginner on a bike with Shimano brakes. I know because my first real bike has Shimano brakes on it. I like them now that I know what they're capable of, but almost went OTB my very first time riding it. SRAM brakes are more forgiving for beginners and a lot of experienced riders prefer them too.

@braulioperez181 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks much for sharing your experience!

@myronlee19 6 жыл бұрын

Here is an idea. Run SRAM at front and Shimano at rear

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Myron Lee haha not a bad idea!

@KNTXGaming 6 жыл бұрын

Myron Lee lol what a great idea

@plorwax 6 жыл бұрын

I've done that. Slx rear and guide rsc front. After 3 rides i ditch the rsc and went back to slx.

@jerrydufresne1886 5 жыл бұрын

I can tell you as a 6'6 300lb rider that SRAM brakes just don't work as well, I actually had my 160's glowing red hot going down a hill and they are now permanently discolored. I ordered some Shimano Brakes with 203mm in the front and 180mm rear to get that mass to stop.

@maximilianlindner 6 жыл бұрын

SRAM guide RSC lever + Hope V4 calipers = insane awesomeness

@DallasLopez1 6 жыл бұрын

I have the Shimano XT 4 piston brakes. After the pads were nicely bedded and the levers were moved in closer for my hands, I noticed a more 'controlled' modulation on the XT 4 piston brakes over the sram guide r brakes. They don't have as big of a window, but they don't feel like a sponge either. Again, they just feel more controlled; dialed. The bad side is that they aren't quite here in the states yet. I had to order from across seas.

@tommyestrada6464 6 жыл бұрын

I'm also considering the XT 4 piston brakes, what do you have them on and are they that much better than the 2 piston XT's

@DallasLopez1 6 жыл бұрын

Tommy Estrada I'd say they're definitely better.

@Sitsolitary 5 жыл бұрын

Ha remember Avids? Jucies? Elixirs? I’ll never forget.. Shimano for the win 🤘(why did sram have to to change the brand name so many times 😆😉 maybe because your brakes were beyond terrible) with shimano the pistons retract perfectly every time with enough room so you can actually adjust the brakes without scrub.. the brakes last forever. if you can’t modulate a shimano brake then maybe you need to work on your riding 😂

@freddukepoo3359 5 жыл бұрын

East Coast Film my worst DH crash i was using the juicy 5 brakes, i was on a nice high speed straight and when i need to brake and scrub speed for a jump they decided not to work. I over shot my safe landing zone and into the rock garden, my front wheel hit a rock sticking up and into an instant OTB i went. My right leg looked like if was chewed up by jaws. I had to throw my favorite platform pedal shoes in the trash because of all the blood that stained them. I got home and I took them brakes off and smashed the shit out of them and then i ordered Hayes Stroker Ace and to this day I still think the Aces are awesome brakes... 8 years and not one single problem! I’m building my new DH bike and I’m researching my options as I’m giving my old DH bike with the Aces to my kid because I trust them to not fail him. My 2 choices to date are TRP G-spec Quadiems and the saints. Modulation doesn’t matter to me i just want to stop when i mashed my brakes. Suggestions appreciated.

@freddukepoo3359 4 жыл бұрын

YT Factory Racing I went with Saints and I’m glad I did. As for the modulation that’s all in the fingers. Thank you for the update YT. By the way, awesome commercial with Christopher Walken... by far my favorite villain actor.

@Krom1hell 6 жыл бұрын

I like to use Shimano, because I modulate my braking through feel and experience, and don't want somebody to hold my hand when I drive/ride. P.S. : I like to know when they will fail than be without brakes..... I can't sense that well in Sram when they start burning and loose their properties, because of the modulation and not having a crisp brake movement (the more you press, the more it brakes). Girlfriend likes Sram because she's more of a press 101% on brakes and hope to skid.... But I can vouche that those brakes try their utter best to not get bleeded well (not only by me, but by tech's too)

@indorider 5 жыл бұрын

Worth mentioning is the fact that dot brake fluids destroy paint whereas mineral oil doesn't. That being said, I'd love to try some Sram brakes...

@JorgeDiaz-bu5sk 5 жыл бұрын

I'm probably the manority but if I'm riding XC and trail I've found I like Shimano and if I go free ride or anything big down hill I like Sram.

@JohnSmith-mi8zy 6 жыл бұрын

Shimano all the way. Far easier to bleed and mineral oil is less harsh on the body/planet than Dot.

@bencookson3662 5 жыл бұрын

Just to throw a needle in the haystack. My preference are Hope Tech brakes. They are very strong due to machined callipers and levers with no seams or weak points, are very powerful with a progressive high modulation and are by far easier to bleed than any other brake I have owned. plus the anodising looks awesome

@juanmananesprieto3766 6 жыл бұрын

I´m a Shimano guy, XT to be specific, but I´d like to try the Sram Guides for example. The only thing I don´t like about Shimano is the consistent wheel lock when going downhill

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Some people love that about them and others not so much, all depends on what feels the most comfortable for you. It sounds like the SRAM would be a nice option for you though as they are not as grabby as the Shimano. Let us know if you have any other questions!

@dav31078 6 жыл бұрын

If you like Shimano but are looking for more lever modulation, run a pair of XTR Race levers. They don't have Servo Wave, so they offer a lot more range to the bite over say an XT lever. If you want to save money, they'll work with XT calipers without a problem.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

David Campbell you're a smart man! That's a good trick for sure.

@yakbiker75 6 жыл бұрын

David Campbell any particular year/model ? I'm currently running m8000 xt master cylinder with zee calipers.

@dav31078 6 жыл бұрын

ausmtbiker I've run the m9000 levers on both XT m785 and m8000 calipers with no issues. I've heard you want to stick with XT or XTR trail levers (avoiding the XTR race) if running the Zee/Saint caliper

@yakbiker75 6 жыл бұрын

David Campbell cheers for that.

@Johnroberts2013 6 жыл бұрын

I like Shimano because I never really need modulation, I’m either no brakes or braking hard.

@6ncc 6 жыл бұрын

I’ve ridden both versions. I agree 100% with the video evaluation. However, I’ve been riding since 1989 and have never forgotten how those old caliper brakes felt. So I can ride either one and be happy. Just takes a few pulls of the levers to acquainted with them just like driving a different car.

@dave5709 5 жыл бұрын

I vote Shimano all the way. I am used to the feel and after doing a couple SRAM bleeds I see no reason to ever switch!

@majalca03 6 жыл бұрын

I'm a Shimano XT guy. They never fail, last for years.

@connorwilsonbikes111 5 жыл бұрын

Some of the xt brakes freeze up and have seen might just be the conditions I'd go slx or higher

@VimyScout 6 жыл бұрын

Have SRAM Guide R's on my new bike coupled with 180 rotors. Best brakes i've ever had. Great stopping power !

@DukeHayes82 6 жыл бұрын

VimyScout Nice to know, i looking at a new bike, and it comes with sram guide r

@lar2028 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I also have the guide r in my canyon and they feel amazing!!

@jsantanahdz 6 жыл бұрын

I’ve had Sram guide before and liked the feeling, but, switched to hope’s V4 and definitely love them, great modulation, and awesome stopping power when needed

@MF215713 6 жыл бұрын

Hey guys, a) hope brakes blow them both away and b) thanks for everything you guys do. I've spent about 5grand in the last year at your shop and you are about the only shop I will spend money at anymore. Excellent customer service!

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah Hope breaks are awesome! We just put some on a custom Transition Smuggler we built. And THANK YOU! We really appreciate you being a customer and your kind words. Cheers!

@cameronrobertson9518 5 жыл бұрын

Shimano brakes: ...... Sram breaks: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

@nolifer8927 5 жыл бұрын

I love Shimano hydraulic disc brakes because I like the touchy brakes

@mjpena212 6 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the tried and true coaster brake! Great video...currently run Shimano but seems like my next bike will have sram guides.

@Bugattilover39 6 жыл бұрын

I have Saints on my DH and Srams on my enduro. The Saints are definitely more confidence inspiring with the power, but I agree that the modulation is better with the Srams. Totally agree with this video

@lucashuss640 4 жыл бұрын

I ride SRAM I am happy with them then again I’m 13 so I don’t really get to choose😂

@klousy58 6 жыл бұрын

Shinamo always don't like the sram because of the dot 5.1 fuild

@qwertykevin1 5 жыл бұрын

When you think about it. You could replace "brakes"with anything. It just comes down to you like what you're used to l.

@NoBrakes23 6 жыл бұрын

I prefer the mineral oil of Shimano, but short of perhaps Hope, there's no better looking lever than a silver Guide. If someone doesn't need a ton of power, and wants modulation, The M395/396 Acera level Shimano brakes might work. They use that older BH59 hose and while they lack power for gnarly descents, (Or big riders,) they modulate quite nicely.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Agreed, those Hope levers are sexy looking too!

@Adasrast 6 жыл бұрын

Magura Mt7 with hc3 levers. Tons of modulation and superior stopping power. Super easy to bleed

@brucesaidi4320 6 жыл бұрын

I too have MT7's, love the stopping power, but have you had any issues with the pistons not receding back in the caliper? My front caliper has been replaced twice, they won't recede all the way in to free up the rotor? I too like the bleed process, very easy.

@Adasrast 6 жыл бұрын

B Mode I had the same problem with mine brakes but I just live with it. I clean callipers and pistons quite regular so it’s not so bad. Still amazing brakes that I wouldn’t change for anything else

@ladidadi2473 5 жыл бұрын

Hi guys, how about the price?

@huntstyle 6 жыл бұрын

I have SRAM Guide RS on my bike. Demo'd a bunch of bikes at Outerbike, and one had Shimano XT's, and I didn't like them! Too touchy! Just like you said! I'll stick to the SRAM's!

@blueskies8710 6 жыл бұрын

Huntstyle thank you for being like the only person who agrees with me mine are Guide Rs also

@Kot1026 4 жыл бұрын

I was riding almost a decade with Shimano XTs and recently tried the new G2 RSC - soooo much modulation and control, no more unintented wheel locking! Definately not going back!

@itsnot1984anymore 4 жыл бұрын

Yet to try a set of SRAMS. Nevertheless I have a few comments. First of all, living in England I can say that there's few things worse than riding a downhill section of pavement by a trail in the autumn, coming across a thin layer of cold wet and slimy algae like composting leaves right as you need to stop, pulling your front brake and consequentially having the wheel lock-up beneath you as you find yourself in that super slow-motion heart in your mouth moment where you know, you just fucked up, you're twisting the handlebars and the bike is still going forwards and oh my god you'd better save it... of course there is something worse than that, doing the same thing, in winter, on a frosty downhill section of pavement as a car pulls out from a side road infront of you. I've experienced both. Wheelies aside I think the beauty of modulation is mostly found in the autumn/winter months of colder climates in addition to loose gravel path cornering anywhere else. I guess it depends what you're doing and where you are, if I lived somewhere hot like greece, cali or florida and all I was doing was speeding up and down the resort in the baking sunshine living the life, it would be shimano everytime, for messing around ore even just commuting in the Scottish highlands though, I'd definitely wanna give SRAM a try, sometimes, modulation really can be a lifesaver and it's not always about how quickly you can stop with one finger breaking.

@gogovitch66 6 жыл бұрын

Digital (on/off) brakes or with modulation.. Definitly a personal preference :-) I love powerful brakes with a bigger range of modulation for long and steep descends. I was superhappy with my guide RSC but switched bikes and also to Magura. They come really close to the quality of Hope, but are way less expensive and have 3 kinds of levers levers to fit the needs of the rider. Also bleeding is a dream ^_^

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Nice! Solid points. What model Maguras are you using?

@gogovitch66 6 жыл бұрын

The MT5 with the HC levers on my Enduro aswell as on my DH bike. Their solid contact point and reliable modulation gave me much confidence for fast tracks, the megavalanche and doing wheelies :-)

@zachybarzabal1460 6 жыл бұрын

I’m running Hope E4 brakes they give the bed of both worlds

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Been hearing a lot about these lately, going to be creating some content around them in the future. What kind of bike are you running them on?

@ltj999 6 жыл бұрын

Worldwide Cyclery I’ve been running hope e4 with 203mm rotors front and rear for a while. First on my Yeti 5.5 now on my Pole Evolink 140. They are fantastic brakes and def err on the side of monster modulation. My buddy who ran saint with 203 rotors felt like he had no brakes at all riding my bike, as he was used to a near total on/off feel as opposed to hope which only “lock” when you intentionally pull to lock the wheel. Everything else is sweet sweet modulation, which is right up my alley. Plus they are the sickest looking brakes on the market for sure.

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Gota agree with you on looks, Hope makes some great looking brakes. Haven't tried them yet but looking forward to it! Stay tuned for more content on them as well :)

@ltj999 6 жыл бұрын

Worldwide Cyclery awesome, looking forward to it. I just wrote you all a review of the Hope braided cables (thanks for the gift card). Would be happy to write one for the hope e4 as well. Hit me up anytime!

@zachybarzabal1460 6 жыл бұрын

Worldwide Cyclery sorry it’s a bit late but on a Trek Fuel 9.9 and they’re the best feeling brakes I’ve felt but if they’re not bled just right they feel really bad

@jackbeames7643 6 жыл бұрын

Recently went to Leogang and the Scott gamblers had saints they aren’t as good as people say they are. After long steep descents they begin to fade. On my bike at home are the mt7 which I have never had trouble.

@GavynPendleton 6 жыл бұрын

I prefer Shimano XT because mineral oil is way nicer to work with and I like the feel more. Also I’ve seen a lot of sram brakes blow up and stop working.

@tokosepedamajuroyal 6 жыл бұрын

shimanos brake is better...

@arditsaliaj5467 5 жыл бұрын

Shimano brakes are better. I don’t agree about the feeling or modulation. Shimano service on brakes also easier.

@fabulousfabrications1985 6 жыл бұрын

I had Hayes hydraulics back in 2001 and they felt amazing crazy power and very good modulation .

@samc821 5 жыл бұрын

I ride sram guide r's and im not a big fan of the progressive(spongy) feel, I havent ridden shimano disc brakes before but I think the on/off feel would suit my riding better.

@JohnSmith-qv6hp 5 жыл бұрын

I've got shimano 4pot same sram I'm 106kgs kitted out shimano are a more powerful brake I'm safer on them

@seanhornchek6440 6 жыл бұрын

lol why does everyone in the comment misspell brakes

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

It brakes my heart when people misspell breaks haha.

@aidanshmaden69 6 жыл бұрын

right?? gimme a brake!

@canadianroot 6 жыл бұрын

Eye fined that fustrating, as well. Edit: I. Edit: find. Edit: frustrating.

@Lakotah095 6 жыл бұрын

SRAM - like the modulation without the abrupt lockup. Rode both, both are good.

@SuperUltraKel 6 жыл бұрын

Not that it really adds anything to the conversation, but I really like my Guide Ultimates with 203/180 rotors. Enough power to stop you dead when screaming downhill and yet enough control to pick my way down a steep rock garden with my butt rubbing my back tire and not lock up.

@mentalmtb3104 6 жыл бұрын

I love sram but I have to say hope trumps them ALL

@jasonclanin8496 6 жыл бұрын

HOPE. Better than either in so many ways.

@mikicastan 6 жыл бұрын

Pricey

@WorldwideCyclery 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah Hope brakes are sweet. What do you feel is better about them? They certainly look cool!

@jasonclanin8496 6 жыл бұрын

Worldwide Cyclery -They look sweet. Aesthetics are awesome. Hah, seriously tho... -braking power maintained on long technical descents (that’s with 183 front and 160 rear for a bigger guy) -Maintenance free, the one thing on my bike that just works. Just replace pads. No dragging, no stuck pistons, never/rarely need to bleed, no warped rotors. Simple to adjust/center caliper. They are reportedly easy to bleed but I don’t know, because I’ve never needed to. -I like the lever design, works well for 1 finger braking. Also lever adjustability. -Right combination of modulation and power. -Love the 2 piece rotor design. Some will disagree, but I think it helps dissipate heat. Plus they look cool. I know sram and shimano have some of these features, but I’ve had multiple sets of high end avid/SRAMs and was always fighting maintenance issues and constantly adjusting to keep them from running/dragging. I have about 2000 + miles on my current set of E4s and all I’ve done to them is change pads. Only time I needed to center caliper is when I mounted the fronts up to a new fork.

@sultanabran1 6 жыл бұрын

for me. build quality, power, usability, feel, modulation, street cred. i picked up so many chics cause i have hope brakes.

@mtbrapture1890 6 жыл бұрын

For me it's the levers, sram and shimano levers break on me all the time and never snapped a hope. I do crash alot though...

@tmwei396 5 жыл бұрын

I've used both and I like them both. However, my current fleet all came with Shimano brakes and I like having to buy/carry just one set of brake pads so for logistics reasons I'm sticking with Shimanos.