MTGs Secret Plan To Destroy Legacy + MTG Signature Slab Scam

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@TheMagicHistorian 16 күн бұрын

Thanks for stopping by my friends, here is the link to check out the bloomburrow story - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aMuRmayauajGiYU.html

@The_Loreseeker 16 күн бұрын

"Our market research shows that people are totally cool with Universes Beyond." "Why yes that WAS the same market research that told us Magic 30 was a good idea, why do you ask?"

@jeremysmith4620 16 күн бұрын

There is a massive issue when in Legacy, of all things, the most impactful cards are all from Modern Horizons. This is horrific card design, insane levels of power creep, illustrates a severe lack of play testing, and shows that Hasbro cares more about milking out an extra .02% profit than the health of formats. But we all know this. We should also all be very much aware that it will not change either.

@Woke-CardBoard 15 күн бұрын

It’s not hasbro it’s WotC it’s always been WotC. WotC has been the problem all along.

@adamwarehime6444 16 күн бұрын

Nothing in magic is going to get better until wizards gets out from under hasbro thats the only way wizards as a company will survive much longer

@felixwankel3989 16 күн бұрын

Wotc employees are part of the problem

@jocas94 16 күн бұрын

You’re delusional if you think a different set of investor/board member will not yields similar results.

@Trundle_The_Great 16 күн бұрын

Its the woke employees that are killing the brand. Thats why they had so many layoffs despite WOTC's profitability. Hasbro wants them gone so they can actually save the company.

@adamwarehime6444 16 күн бұрын

@@jocas94 hasbro is the problem they are the cancer that is killing the game its obvious

@adamwarehime6444 16 күн бұрын

@@Trundle_The_Great hasbro is the reason the company is dying now cause wizards is the only think keeping hasbro a float, so they keep having wizards slam as much product out the door as humanely possible for hasbros investers so they can save their company. By doing so the quality is so bad an so much product is coming out players are just over the game cause it's just get as much out as possible to make hasbro daddy happy who cares about the community

@maxclubhouse9968 16 күн бұрын

It's almost like free spells were a mistake 🤔.

@punishedcranky3119 16 күн бұрын

"Free spells aren't a mistake, just free anything that isn't FoW" some legacy nerd

@vincewalker3747 16 күн бұрын

When Affinity was a thing, I played at a game store that had its own ban list. WOTC would not act, so the store did. I can remember store tournaments where there would be more than twenty players and all but two were playing Affinity. People started dropping out because of it. Store owner got tired of it and made his own ban list. If you went to sign up, he would warn you up front that your deck had to abide by his list. People started coming back and it very well may have saved his store. Legacy's survival may come down to forming a committee of known and respected players and having them curate the ban list. You don't have to have WOTC's approval to hold tournaments.

@RaceBandit 16 күн бұрын

How easy was it to access the banlist when you _weren't_ at the store? I feel like that level of transparency is the important part in having store-based lists.

@SHAOLINCOWBOY-ip9hw 16 күн бұрын

Legacy players making a Legacy Committee sounds like the best solution. Cut out WotC and make the format great again. Modern players should do the same thing. We should be standing up more for our favorite formats. All WotC cares about is money. They don't care about the fans.

@cyanidecologne9018 16 күн бұрын

You'll fracture the formats and alienate even more players

@michaelpedroza8092 16 күн бұрын

@@cyanidecologne9018 you really think so ? There's edh with rule 0 and cedh with bring your best and both side love their side . Most stores accept proxies now for those formats anyway

@cyanidecologne9018 16 күн бұрын

@michaelpedroza8092 yes both side love their side but don't overlap often. Fracturing the player base. In my area there are very distinct non overlapping groups now that have really destroyed the community, unity and longevity that had driven off lots of players and outright killed stores. At least in my area modern is insular, commander is insular and Cedh / legacy are the old guards and also insular and rapidly dripping / disillusioned where the other two groups as mentioned hardly last 2 years in the game.

@cyanidecologne9018 16 күн бұрын

@michaelpedroza8092 I used to be able to goto any LGS between the 3-4 cities, jam some games and enjoy myself. Even LGS owners would sometimes take a night off and goto another stores big event, I don't even have the right deck for certain stores anymore, I never know what I'm getting with local commander rules, the strain on business means LGS owners are increasingly hostile towards each other and you can get shunned for being a regular with a different group. Now not all these problems are wizards fault, but the bad business practices have fed this cancerous insular feedback loop

@Dragonmaster600 15 күн бұрын

Its pretty much the main reason I refuse to touch Standard, Modern, or Legacy these days. WOTC can't design to save thier lives and they manage to do an even worse job curating.

@TheDarkElder 16 күн бұрын

If Wizards cannot reprint the best cards of a format it is a dead format to them. So they ignore it and pretend everything is fine there.

@qriist1850 16 күн бұрын

Loaded into a 4man EDH game on Cockatrice. My opponents were running Assassin's Creed, Transformers, and Lord of the Rings characters as commanders. I left.

@refundreplay 14 күн бұрын

Good choice!

@SylveonSimp 16 күн бұрын

The Mark Rose Water UB question is a scam: "Would you like a format without UB?" I also don't want an extra format, that doesn't mean I like UB.

@cyanidecologne9018 16 күн бұрын

Just ban UB in everything but commander, commander is hopeless anyway

@SylveonSimp 16 күн бұрын

@@cyanidecologne9018 commander is my excuse for LARPing and drinking beer.

@FilthyCasual84 16 күн бұрын

28 years playing Magic, and I absolutely hate UB and the new sets. I stopped buying new Magic when Strixhaven was released. Sorcery Contested Realm is my primary game now. I still play Old School 93/94 and Pre-Modern, however.

@KDD0063 16 күн бұрын

I like UB but I will stop playing because of the horror set with the TVs and technology and electronics and stuff, that's absolutely not MTG and its crossing the line

@refundreplay 14 күн бұрын

I love Sorcery so much, but nobody in my area plays 😢

@landgin3781 16 күн бұрын

Grief was always a better card than fury. Not only do you gain knowledge, but you literally dealing with problems before they have a chance to become one.

@sw33tshar3 15 күн бұрын

Fury made go wide decks non existent

@sw33tshar3 15 күн бұрын

@@danewirostek1903 playable

@benjaminstonehocker5382 15 күн бұрын

100 % agree. Sure Fury feels bad if you’re playing a creature deck against it but Grief specifically is good against everything.

@MisterZalem 16 күн бұрын

i want to make a legacy commitee cause: 1) wotc competence isnt near it. 2) legacy doesnt take recoil when wotc makes nukes. 3) i want to see OG players having violent alcohol-fueled rants/debate over whether or not cards coming out need to be hit with a ban.

@jakehr3 16 күн бұрын

Legacy is an official format in name only. You aren't allowed to run RCQs with legacy, PTs haven't had legacy as the format in years, and so the only way to play paper legacy in a tournament setting is as a side event or as an event run by someone other than WotC. They don't care about legacy. They haven't for quite a while now. The fact that it is even still considered an official format (vintage has similar issues) is laughable. Legacy and Vintage should be treated like Pauper where there is a ban list by committee with maybe a WotC EE on the committee to get access to previews to stay ahead and alert to any potential issues.

@sketchasaurrex4087 16 күн бұрын

I hate universe beyond so much. I've been playing since Ice Age.

@mattb1100 16 күн бұрын

me too, im honestly disgusted there will be Marvel cards soon, marvel is hella cheesy and doesnt belong in the mtg universe

@derrickpaulson3093 16 күн бұрын

I’ve been playing since Fallen Empires (competitively somewhat since Nemesis) and I concur wholeheartedly. Universes Beyond is awful.

@LaLongueFourchette 16 күн бұрын

Been playing since Strixhaven and UB disgusts me😁

@sketchasaurrex4087 16 күн бұрын

@LaLongueFourchette welcome young one, lol It seems that the long-time players, longer than wotc expected player, aren't a fan of ub.

@simplyprism5854 16 күн бұрын

Ub is cool depending on the set. Most are lame but a few fit in nice. Adapt or get out

@MusicalBoarder 16 күн бұрын

universes beyond is the worst thing to happen to mtg. every card should be banned in all formats unless it has an in universe printing like how the party tree is just a reskin of the great henge. its fucking ridiculous.

@cyanidecologne9018 16 күн бұрын

The issue with how they are trying to push modern and commander is, for so many people, especially everyone I knew and played with is we liked legacy, old school extended and standard / block limited. All these things are dead save legacy on and off and legacy isn't as accessible for pickup games so the player base has become very insular vs each other. There's really very little cross play between commander groups, modern groups and the older player base/ legacy crowd in my area and they all hate eachother

@user-rw5zw9wi2q 16 күн бұрын

It's not a secret plan. You either play Commander or you dip. There isn't any in between.

@shawnpanzegraf5642 16 күн бұрын

WotC greed for you. I’m fine with Hasbro’s greed strangling 60 card MtG. If Modern collapses, the resulting minimum -75% reduction in Singles demand will only benefit my wallet as prices tank. Whales haven’t cared about the rising price of MtG for decades. They taught us EDH players how to care about no one’s needs but our own.

@user-rw5zw9wi2q 16 күн бұрын

@@shawnpanzegraf5642 my problem isn't with the cost per say. It's the fact that Commander has entirely killed any and all interested in paper play. Even on the more casual level of 60 card formats. I can't even get games for ANY format in paper at all unless it's specifically Commander, and that's complete and utter B.S.

@user-rw5zw9wi2q 16 күн бұрын

@@shawnpanzegraf5642 because if Richard Garfield had intended Magic to be Commander then he would have designed it that way from the very beginning.

@KDD0063 16 күн бұрын

I hate commander, I only play modern. Commander is filled with people who want to monopolize all the fun, while 3 people spend 10 seconds each on their turn, 1 guy will turn up with a deck full of paragraph-text cards, proxies, spend 20min per turn, and complain about people attacking him. Commander is garbage, In modern you play the whole time, interact with your opponent, and can have some fun games.

@user-rw5zw9wi2q 16 күн бұрын

@@KDD0063I personally prefer Legacy to Modern but don't get me wrong at this point I'd even take Standard over what I have now.

@Gaming_Antics 16 күн бұрын

I would mind Wizards destroying Legacy with reprinting and making better version of dual lands and such. Give the new generation the joy of playing with old Magic cards.

@user-if4rj3hr1j 16 күн бұрын

Dual lands I agree with But the rest of the reserve list needs to be kept

@hellioappollion552 16 күн бұрын

No way ! We need honest access to those cards. Craddle, mox diamond, LeD... All those strategies are way over budget. The principle of reserve list is garbage

@Baldricksturnip 16 күн бұрын

Agreed, burn the whole thing down. Majority of cards on reserved list are not even played anywhere. The list is there just for the Rudys of the world.

@FrankBlizzard 16 күн бұрын

@@user-if4rj3hr1jwhy exactly? Its been proven time and time again that the reserve list is beyond useless in todays climate. It doesn’t even preserve the price of most old cards anymore. Yea some are artificially inflated due to rarity but that’s cause they just don’t see play. Plenty of ABU printings of highly reprinted and played cards are still some of the most expensive cards from that time period. The reserve list is bullshit and I’ve been saying this for a few months now. As the last ditch effort to milk WoTC of money I’m willing to put my whole portfolio on it that they WILL reprint the reserve list in a high cost straight to legacy/commander set.

@user-if4rj3hr1j 16 күн бұрын

@FrankBlizzard You are useless you got damn mor o n Leave me the hell alone

@MekanikalDem0n 16 күн бұрын

Abolish the reserved list... I said what I said.

@Continuum7 14 күн бұрын

I just find it hard to believe that some legal reason is preventing Wizards from removing the Reserved List. I don't see how secondary market Promissory Estoppel price is what would make WotC get 'sued'. Its Hasbro for crying out loud, any guy who wanted to sue WotC because their Dual Lands and Black Lotus lost 90% value would never have a case. Even then we've seen many old cards not on the list still hold a crap-ton of value. I don't see how a 'promise' 1990's WotC made that had no legal binding is some how liable for lawsuits in 2024. I just find the whole story and allure of the Reserved List fascinating as nobody can definitively explain (both outside or inside WotC) why it truly exists and why WotC has to jump hoops to make proxies of Reserved Cards with Magic 30 for example. It is one of the strangest things I've seen a company do (or have to do) where they are not allowed for some reason to manufacture their own product lol I'd love to think we'd see in the future a complete reprint of the Legacy sets every now and then. WotC would make bank and no doubt it would sell like crazy. But until then at least printing high quality proxies is possible, I love being able to print my own complete sets of legacy decks for pennis on the dollar.

@AndyPrimeOne 16 күн бұрын

Not sure the plan is secret... they been trying to off legacy for a while.

@Wyomingfox 16 күн бұрын

Magic 30 was $1000 for random proxies. The 50 million player basis didn't want that...they already can get better quality proxies elsewhere. The 50 million player basis wants tourney legal cards.

@KaoticWhisper 16 күн бұрын

I promise to buy a box each release, if we go back to 5 a year. I would legit be happier with 4 and a core. I cant even think about jumping in and buying cards nowadays -- they release at like triple schedule, so any thing i buy is just going to be eclipsed by the next set; with how they balance and demonstrate QC. What's wrong with profits. Why u gotta max them bro, you miss out on so many customers

@Aaackermann 16 күн бұрын

The poll asked a stupid question. For sure no one wants a NEW format that is specifically designed NOT to have UB in it! How idiotic is this! New formats have a hard time anyways with players. So people are interested in the "old" formats and not some nonsensical new format. But most people I know included myself do NOT want to have more UB content that is not fitting into the look and feel of magic. Transformers my a**! This is the most moronic conclusion I have heard in a long time!

@Firevine 16 күн бұрын

The only trust I have in WotC is for them to have the literal stupidest take on everything.

@ralphthegnome 16 күн бұрын

Autograph slabs need a completely different label to make sure it is obvious.

@justafoodguy9567 16 күн бұрын

As soon as the spoilers started, you could tellt hey wanted Modern to become the new legacy. And next you'll notice Pioneer looking like Modern Lite

@slowggles 16 күн бұрын

they already ruined modern why stop there?

@AwkwardDreamer 15 күн бұрын

I wish the bonus Sheldon card had been a Phelddagrif. Being his iconic PFP on the commander site and one of his pet decks, it would have been a lovely tribute as well

@dominicmetzger3246 16 күн бұрын

Legacy format “it’s like the commander card pool but less powerful “ 😂

@benjaminstonehocker5382 15 күн бұрын

Except you get to play 4 ofs so actually it’s WAY more powerful

@regalgiant1597 16 күн бұрын

Can't say I agree on Bloomburrow lore, so far its been so boring

@viziroth 16 күн бұрын

where was this poll? I never saw this poll

@pe-ka1844 16 күн бұрын

yeah, asking for a whole new format is pretty much obvious what is gonna be the outcome. making manipulative questions like that is their forte

@draftmagicagain1000 15 күн бұрын

For me Magic ended with the original Ixalan block. After that everything changed. Blocks ended, 🔥design started, Arena started, Collector Boosters, 10 versions of every card, Universes Beyond, Modern Horizons, Secret Lairs, the end of the Pro Tour, and too many cards are full text boxes. Magic is like another game now. I know a lot of people do like it, sales are better than ever, but not me. I have gotten rid of all my cards after Ixalan block, I just play from there and back. 😊 To each their own!

@bedwablackburn 16 күн бұрын

I suspected that when they made the energy versions of Aluren and Recurring Nightmare.... But thank you for the confirmation

@RadicalSpikee 16 күн бұрын

Daze and Brainstorm is fine of course, but grief is a problem. Just because there is a way to combat old blue strategies doesn't mean it should be banned.

@Firevine 16 күн бұрын

I wonder how many people who would be interested in no Universes Beyond have absolutely checked out, and didn't see the poll to begin with. I've seen a lot of fishy "graded" cards on feeBay lately. People can just buy the slabs now and do whatever they want.

@aptiryp2682 16 күн бұрын

Legacy is an interesting case, both for Wizards and for players. There are almost no new players in the Legacy format at tournament level. It generates little revenue, but can mean a lot of "bad press," even though the advertising effect isn't that great. This is actually mainly due to the Reserved List, I think. The entry barrier, purely financially, is very high for Legacy. Imagine an older student or a college student who enjoys playing competitively. Modern is already a huge investment, heavens, even Commander is sometimes a decent investment if you really want to win a small tournament in your store, but with a tournament-ready Legacy deck... we're talking about completely different amounts. It's... complicated... You can't really break down the fundamental problem. You can't push Legacy to really monetize it, but you can't let it "die" either.

@MTG69 16 күн бұрын

Any artist that knowingly signs a fake, counterfeit, proxy, repro, or whatever you want to call it, is straight up wrong.

@MagicMonkZA 16 күн бұрын

@TheMagicHistorian Why didn’t you mention the tie into the Inkshield card that Sheldon helped design? Probably due to that design partnership and his playstyle that the Keen Duelist was chosen

@swordrush 16 күн бұрын

It isn't just that Legacy cards can't be reprinted, it's because of the problems having it's whole card catalog available for online and having it in paper isn't making the level of money they want. This is part of their push towards online for almost everything. Not the whole reason for these things, but one reason.

@khaoss9992 16 күн бұрын

I still have always thought they should be able to reprint everything!!!

@victoriouscoleman4358 16 күн бұрын

In terms of WotC in legacy, they can ether lead, follow or get out of the way.

@Beckola44 16 күн бұрын

Buying slabbed cards is quite risky. Thank you for the video Magic Historian.

@garageink74 16 күн бұрын

Wotc: we are going to start having preset ban windows 2 weeks after set releases. Also wotc: the set only came out 2 weeks ago, let’s see how it plays out.

@DavidBrown-zp5vs 16 күн бұрын

They are turning Modern into the new Legacy. I dont like what they are doing, Im not floating away from Legacy, Im floating away from Magic.

@user-nl1ge7ns3o 15 күн бұрын

I wonder why fallout or assassins creed didn’t have any black washed… err I mean a different artistic interpretation of characters like lord of the rings

@andrewgolubiewski3463 16 күн бұрын

I think I'd rather see a format that's modern without horizons than anything that bans universes beyond.

@mtgbrewery7239 16 күн бұрын

It exists and is called pre modern, check out doomwake as he hosts tourneys

@andrewgolubiewski3463 16 күн бұрын

@@mtgbrewery7239 premodern looks suspiciously different than a format that runs the standard cards from miroden through present day with all non standard sets not being legal.

@czairkolmoslink5952 16 күн бұрын

Force of Will dominates the format. Totally ok, grief dominating the format? Not ok Lol

@pascalraskal9347 16 күн бұрын

Not with 25% meta chare...

@sethrose9534 16 күн бұрын

No clue who was in that survey but that NO UB format is what I've been preaching for years

@tcsmagicbox 15 күн бұрын

People can try playing Extirpate to exile all copies in the opponent's hand, library, or graveyard.

@markdd4281 16 күн бұрын

I don't totally disagree with the grief situation, but what I'm over here wondering is if printing vexing bauble as an uncommon a potential answer to this?

@garageink74 16 күн бұрын

I grief you turn one and take your vexing bauble. It is horrible counter play.

@fodaseocanal 15 күн бұрын

It's all the non-standard sets that ruin the game: Powercreep, lore implosion, ridiculous prices and forced rotation in eternal formats. I still remember when true name nemesis got into legacy and how it felt weird, despite the relatively small impact. All these commander decks, sets from other IP's... who asked for that? Even commander feels sullied by all these cards that they design to be commanders and these mechanics that are designed to work in that game mode... it's like they have to poke their dirty greedy finger into anything until they ruin it for everyone.

@FXFBS540 13 күн бұрын

I haven't played Legacy at all since before Covid. I was interested in getting back out to play more, but the events seem to have dried up. That may be why.

@mrcatchingup 16 күн бұрын

I players lot of type 1 vintage 2 to 3 decades ago and recently was curious about the weekly legacy events by me. I thought it funny that I cannot "proxy down" my mox cards from unlimited as mox diamonds.

@pyredynasty 16 күн бұрын

Are you saying my 1 of 1 Ring signed by Tolkien might not be authentic?

@AntonioTheTurtle 16 күн бұрын

Keen duelist is from commander 2021. Of course there is a strixhaven theming on the new one.

@SirPream 16 күн бұрын

"Why try to force rotation in non-rotating formats when you can just rotate out the entire format?" - WOTC/Hasbro talks probaby

@peggle09 16 күн бұрын

It took this long for Grief to affect Legacy? Was it the frog that pushed it over the edge? Why don't they just restrict it? Papa Hasbro makes little to no money from Legacy players while that reserved list sticks around.

@draftmagicagain1000 13 күн бұрын

1:40 you said Karlov Manor, it’s Markov Manor.

@TheKrismage2000 16 күн бұрын

Damn, i smell an errata coming…

@adamwarehime6444 16 күн бұрын

I say we take bannings away from wizards an each format gets its own committee that controls the bannings an unbannings in their respective formats

@pix_p 16 күн бұрын

While it might be a good idea the question then is who to give that authority to. It somewhat works in Commander because the ones managing the Banlist are respected in the Community and consist of People who know that Format well. (Yes some bannings don't make sense but that another topic. Most of the Time the Desicion makes Sense.) One big Point is that Wizards ALLOWS them to manage that Format. If WotC wanted to they could just say that "from now on all Tournaments will follow the WotC-Banlist" and there is not much you could do about it apart from holding your own (non-sanctioned) Tournaments.

@slowggles 16 күн бұрын

@@pix_p and it's also commander so it boils down to what the table is cool with

@snowmanO07 16 күн бұрын

It won’t work. Commander was explicitly against planeswalkers as commanders, so Wizards started printing PW that say “this can be your commander” and next thing you know people started playing with them and the rules committee folded and changed the rules.

@pix_p 16 күн бұрын

@@snowmanO07 Yes my point exactly. It only works because WotC allows it. They even have their own employees in the Rules Committee. I can imagine if the Rules Committee would have said no to that, WotC would have just taken control of that Format entirely.

@user-rw5zw9wi2q 16 күн бұрын

Bad idea.

@SHAOLINCOWBOY-ip9hw 16 күн бұрын

8:00 I think stores should give WotC the middle finger and make their own formats. If your people mostly just want to play at the LGS and win store credit and have some fun competing at a local level, then I don't see the issue. Just make sure it is communicated well. Maybe have approved decks on a webpage. I want to play competitive formats that are enjoyable and for me, the older formats are usually more enjoyable if properly managed. I'm not sure stores have a choice really. Leave things alone and watch your community die or take action. If players want to prep for big tournaments, they can grind out matches on MTGO. Everyone else can play a custom Legacy or Modern format at their LGS that is fun. I don't think being double thoughtseized on turn one was ever healthy for the game.

@imkranlopez5426 14 күн бұрын

I hate UB. It's pretty much the main reason I stopped buying new sealed product. I only play Standard and Limited so I don't want these cards. I REALLY don't want them in Limited because they totally skew the power level. It's like having a high school kid randomly tagged into a 4th grade basketball game. No one's equipped to deal with that.

@travisrose7164 16 күн бұрын

Yea man, I used to play legacy weekly with a small group, roughly 8-10 of us, and then a larger one, once a month, probably 20 people....but then after MH2, our group collectively saw wotc was trying to kill legacy with the power creep. It's not a new thing, they can't make money off it, therefore they don't care about supporting it.

@ProphetofEndTimes 16 күн бұрын

So we're in Good Grief Summer?

@thatmtgnerd 16 күн бұрын

My lgs is going to be doing reserved list proxy tournys. Which is genius as a bunch of people are already expressing interest. I can finally play my lands deck

@shmerelize 16 күн бұрын

A fun _ink_ -lude, might you say?

@vincentcrisci5412 16 күн бұрын

Can use this card tomod ‘s crypt and card noxious revival

@JLKelly2 16 күн бұрын

While I agree Grief should be banned in Legacy the sky is not falling. It's mostly a problem online right now because it's quick games so a lot of people play it. Plenty of 20-30+ in paper tournaments still firing around the globe with diverse top 8's. Legacy players will continue to play Legacy because we love Legacy.

@johndombeck955 16 күн бұрын

Of course they're shooting themselves in the foot, since things like Pre-Modern and other community created formats end up becoming more popular and cut Wizards completely out of the loop.

@samdunn5846 16 күн бұрын

3:12 i was eating 🥲 dont make me choke

@EatWasteland 16 күн бұрын

Well: Grief costs you two cards, Grief and the one pitching to it. So first of all you have to spend 2 cards to get one of the opponent. It becomes good because of Reanimate. Because then, it's "i spend 3 cards, take two from yours AND have a creature, that you have to handle". So worst case is 3 for 3, but two of those 3 were chosen by me. However i believe it's not broken, it's just unfun and leads to bad games overall. The thing with WotC and Legacy is: They ain't support it nor do they care for it. So the rules for legacy should be defined by the community not by WotC since it's NOT their supported format anymore.

@RobertAshmead-bg2lw 16 күн бұрын

Wow add mox jet duel lands and dark rituals

@massv953 15 күн бұрын

Hot take: All formats Should have their own separate rule making body like commander separate from wizards

@shibbidydoowop 16 күн бұрын

I get back into the game only to feel like i need a break from it again.. legacy is all im interested in and it's a lot to keep up with when the meta is being torn in a direction so forcefully. You either buy the new power creep set for the year or your dated. Its exciting when ur focused on buying more cards; annoying when you wanna actually play and get settled in on a deck

@BM-rd4ms 15 күн бұрын

I plan to migrate out of the game as a resident UB hater.

@Alikaakui808 16 күн бұрын

A one deck format you say? Like Nadu?

@GaMbIt1986 16 күн бұрын

Doesnt force of negation answer grief ? Or surgical extraction ? Still not ok that format is dominated by it tho i agree

@benistoneman9737 16 күн бұрын

Grief destroys modern, tears up legacy, and wotc is like that seems like a great card for arena. Why don’t they do discard at random or just make it so you don’t get to pick a card.l, or make it a duress. They knew it was gonna be garbage when they made it

@OrzhovCleric43 16 күн бұрын

An LGS by me has a casual ban list and it makes playing not fun.

@mtgbrewery7239 16 күн бұрын

Yeah I wanna play legit formats even at fnm not some pretend proxy friendly Jank

@OrzhovCleric43 16 күн бұрын

@@mtgbrewery7239 Proxies are the way to go. Why do I need 3-5 copies of a tutor when I can buy one and proxy the rest. Saves a lot of money that way.

@ProfDragonite 14 күн бұрын

As if we needed MORE reasons to hate the Reserve List...

@TheTatekei 15 күн бұрын

I miss legacy. gp providence 2010 was so much fun.

@gorfine1982 15 күн бұрын

Just reprint the reserve list and see what happens

@Flotube444 15 күн бұрын

Card grading is a mistake through and through.

@fkutube1399 15 күн бұрын

Game is going to die with cards like this, MTG basically will want to evolve to not even need lands, or something, it was never balanced, but its just getting worse

@JeffreyKramer 15 күн бұрын

As usual, Rosewater/WotC asks the questions in a dishonest manner to skew the responses. Few if any people want new formats just to exclude Universes Beyond. If they just asked people if they would prefer to see/play against fewer Universes Beyond/non-MtG-IP cards, they would get a lot more Yes responses, so they intentionally don't ask that.

@davidrivera9743 7 күн бұрын

Bleep Modern. Standard and Limited.

@josephcantales5120 16 күн бұрын

When will Post Malone buy it from Hasbro

@RaceBandit 16 күн бұрын

So instead of trying to get rid of the problem cards, Wizards tried to move the players complaining to another format.

@Theanthill216 15 күн бұрын

Who plays legacy?? Its ridiculously expensive, its basically 60 card cedh, its the same old broken cards that are mainstays so there’s nothing unique going on, and you technically cannot proxy for tournaments so its whales and OG players only. Why do you think edh is the most played format; non sweaty, cheap precons, still have a huge cardpool, and is actually supported with reprints.

@AndyPrimeOne 16 күн бұрын

I disagree, MH sets fuck up legacy alot of times. Ragavan, DRC and that murktide become the 3 best creatures in Legacy over night, even kicking delver out of its own deck. Also, you know grief... .

@BensonMTG 16 күн бұрын

wotc does not need to do anything other than not reprint legacy and vintage singles to sabotage those formats. The gatekeepers and whales are doing that on their own.

@rodsmith1603 16 күн бұрын

Look when I see numbers that "Rosewater says" I ask myself where did they get these numbers... Did he only ask people in the office to gather this hard hitting information... I mean darn if we really did a true test among players and asked about Universes Beyawn™ I wager the numbers would be different that asking around the office there. I don't even own One card from it as its literally banded due to confusion among a few groups here in Portland. Sure, I'm getting older but I'm getting tired of being milked by these guys and yes I'm aware I need to do more cardio and butterfly exercises but those do not make milk GD it! I digress. How about a poll? 93% numbers that's Russia numbers guys, if the question made it to Rosewater it has 20% support that's why you would even ask the question. Heck people who wants to ask about this Magic 30th anniversary... I wager it was the same people who said $1,000 for 4 pack are a fantastic Idea boss! BAAHH!

@SneoK 16 күн бұрын

Honest question, are you into legacy or is this just some theory thrown out? Given the nature of powercreep (thats inevitable to a game like magic) the new cards will always cause a change in legacy. Just because the archetypes arent changing completely doesnt mean decks never change. Delver never looked the same after moder horizons, bowmasters changed the format in extreme ways where card draw was reduced instead because a lot of decks added that card (punishing "untouchable" staples like brainstorm). The one ring found its way into a lot of decks as well. I agree that "grief" is a problematic card, but sometimes looking through about 30K cards that are available in legacy, you find hilarious ways that no one even looked into before. I doubt there are ways against the specific angle that "grief" attacks. And just like bowmaster they said that grief is on their watchlist for future bannings after watching how mh3 inpacts the format. Wouldnt it be a much more "wizard's move" to ban grief in august despite its reprinting in mh3?

@Enja_Near 16 күн бұрын

I mean, they banned fury and it got reprinted too.

@Dstinct 16 күн бұрын

Its no different than the problems with Vintage. Yes there was a somewhat of a power creep over time, but the biggest issues didn't explode until WotC started printing directly into eternal formats (commander sets and modern).

@gegachxiswulisso9758 16 күн бұрын

I only have one disagreement with you. I can't get behind the idea that Legacy is the largest responsible party for RL cards being expensive. I would argue that Commander is what made things like dual lands and Gaea's Cradle into the financial bastions that they are today. Me and my local scene started playing EDH in 2008, when the From the Vault: Dragons box came out and (to my knowledge) had the first printed suggestion of the EDH format. Duals were $30-$70 at the time, there was simply too much Revised copies to ever demand such a high value when so few played Legacy/Vintage. Now, I'll cede that Legacy did/does inflate the cost of RL cards from smaller sets (Candelabra of Tawnos, Library of Alexandria, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, and such). I stand on my hill declaring that if Commander had never taken off and died in the womb, dual lands would be $10-$30 today.

@derrickpaulson3093 16 күн бұрын

I would agree, though I think they would still be 50-100

@gegachxiswulisso9758 16 күн бұрын

@@derrickpaulson3093 I can get on board with those numbers. But the day WotC puts out a format that everyone switches to and Commander dies out, the RL goes on 50% off sale.

@MagicTheIsolationist 15 күн бұрын

RL goes on sale when profits drop low enough that the shareholders whip out their golden parachute...The Reserve List.

@kxht 16 күн бұрын

Wizards cant profit off the reserved list so they are killing the format that cares about it most.

@MagicTheIsolationist 15 күн бұрын

They can, but as long as they're making money hand over fist, no need to crack into that shareholder's golden parachute... I.E. The Reserve List...

@drak_darippa 16 күн бұрын

at lest the old pact cards needed a paid mana cost or you lose the game.. lol

@khaoss9992 16 күн бұрын

They need make cards vs discard!!!!

@SylveonSimp 16 күн бұрын

This degenerated Grief stuff in Legacy is so fast (turn 1), only Leyline of Sanctity can help you. Imagine the black player also has Dark Ritual...

@khaoss9992 16 күн бұрын

@@SylveonSimpyou can make a new card like one red one colorless deal 3 damage to any target. Also if you are forced to discard by an opponent you can choose to discard this card instead and deal 5 damage to them!

@SylveonSimp 16 күн бұрын

@@khaoss9992 there are already creatures which enter the field if you are forced to discard them.

@khaoss9992 16 күн бұрын

@@SylveonSimp But most discards used now they get to choose what is discarded. Otherwise just reprinting Gorilla Tactics would work.

@RoninRose541 16 күн бұрын

I honestly just hate discard from a gameplay perspective. the entire purpose is to prevent the other player from playing the game. It’s just not fun straight and simple. I love discard and mill from a narrative perspective. This idea that the spells your casting are actively making your opponent go insane and forget the spells they know is cool as fuck but playing against it just sucks balls.

@ericjohnson6105 16 күн бұрын

Legacy was dead when SCG Games stopped hosting it as one of their main events for their weekend tournaments.

@Gaming_Antics 16 күн бұрын

They stop hosting legacy because they can’t make enough money out of it.

@tarkus1113 16 күн бұрын

Ban Modern Horizons, Ban Universes Beyond, cut Commander support.

@derrickpaulson3093 16 күн бұрын

I agree and I only play commander. I miss the days when every new set had maybe 2-3 cards I might play, not every creature is a legend.

@simplyprism5854 16 күн бұрын

Adapt to the new magic scene or get put of the game. Yall complaining about this stuff be the same ones making excuses for old ass broken cards. Yall probably play blue as well

@derrickpaulson3093 16 күн бұрын

Hey, it’s you again with your fresh ideas! Wow! Thank you. I have issues I don’t like, simple, leave! I should apply that logic to everything. Don’t like something, don’t ask and work to fix it, just run away and find a safe room! Life more complicated than your asinine simplistic trolling.

@MagicTheIsolationist 15 күн бұрын

@@derrickpaulson3093 you were too articulate and well-spoken to get a cromag response 😂🤙