Muddy Rifle Test. (AK, AR-15, SCAR, FAL etc)
Рет қаралды 4,472,864
Күн бұрынIn today's Muddy Rifle Test we look to determine which rifle will perform best in a muddy environment. The test gets progressively more difficult the further the video goes along. The results definitely surprised us and I hope you will enjoy the content and results we got from this video. Thanks to NAGR - www.gunrights.org/
00:00 Will this mud kill these rifles?
1:15 Sponsorships :)
1:39 Initial Function Check of All Weapons Involved.
5:10 HK416 / MR556A1 (Mud Test #1)
6:05 Steyr Aug (Mud Test #1)
6:29 AKM (Mud Test #1)
6:47 AK-105 (Mud Test #1)
7:14 Block II M4 (Mud Test #1)
7:36 KAC SR-15 (Mud Test #1)
8:00 FN FNC (Mud Test #1)
8:30 SIG MCX (Mud Test #1)
8:53 IWI GALIL ACE GEN 2 (Mud Test #1)
9:15 Fulton Armory M-14 (Mud Test #1)
10:37 DSA OSW / Short FN FAL (Mud Test #1)
11:30 SCAR-H / SCAR 17S (Mud Test #1)
12:00 LMT MWS 6.5 / AR-10 platform (Mud Test #1)
12:44 MUD TEST #2 THE RECKONING BEGINS
14:05 HK416 / MR556A1 (Mud Test #2)
15:55 Steyr Aug (Mud Test #2)
17:29 AKM (Mud Test #2)
19:32 AK-105 (Mud Test #2)
20:57 Block II M4 (Mud Test #2)
22:40 KAC SR-15 (Mud Test #2)
24:25 FN FNC (Mud Test #2)
25:48 SIG MCX (Mud Test #2)
27:02 IWI GALIL ACE GEN 2 (Mud Test #2)
29:00 DSA OSW / Short FN FAL (Mud Test #2)
29:48 SCAR-H / SCAR 17S (Mud Test #2)
31:30 LMT MWS 6.5 / AR-10 platform (Mud Test #2)
32:27 Final Thoughts of the Muddy Rifle Test
-------------------------
LAS Concealment - bit.ly/LAS_Onward
Drink Hero (Use Code GARAND for 10% off) - www.drinkhero.com/
Leatherback Gear (Use code GARAND for 10% off) - www.leatherbackgear.com/
XIDAX COMPUTERS OUR GOTO GAMING RIGS: mbsy.co/xidax/104960295
Onward Research (Limited Edition Dr Garand Thumb Glasses!) - www.onwardresearch.com/produc...
Skallywag Tactical - www.skallywagtactical.com/
Mira Safety (Best commercial gas mask) - www.mirasafety.com/
Patreon Signup - / garandthumb
Beyond Clothing - beyondclothing.com/garandthumb
My go to EYEPRO - amzn.to/3CNbJbQ
Good chest rigs - amzn.to/3o6A8Fy
Vertx 25% off DISCOUNT Code: GarandThumb - vertx.com/
-----Camera Equipment-----
Xidax (My Computer Sponsor) - mbsy.co/xidax/104960295
Sony A7SIII - amzn.to/3okgbez
GMaster Lens - amzn.to/39xuAvc
Sennehiser Mic - amzn.to/39BRrFW
Zoom H4 - amzn.to/3AEXiWM
--
Like and Subscribe for more awesome Garand: kzfaq.info_c...
Insta: / garand_thumb
GarandThumb on Facebook: / garandthumb1
@michaelprewitt2151 2 жыл бұрын
Use this as a “do sand next” button
@billybadass9031 Жыл бұрын
69th like. I think it's working.
@silverwolfairsoft3057 Жыл бұрын
205th like. I definitely think it’s working
@Norbu_0 Жыл бұрын
250! It’s working for sure!!
@mrdead1584 Жыл бұрын
382nd like. I think it might work
@RatMilk6847 Жыл бұрын
467th like
@xvprototype123882 2 жыл бұрын
Aks: "We were built for ice", ARs: "We were built for random shit, in warm climates", and M14s: "I'm too old for this shit".
@gunsandcommissions 2 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment!
@esolo114 2 жыл бұрын
Sand is not an ar15s friend, anyone who deployed to a desert knows that.
@jacksonkennedy5987 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a m14 guy
@Greyhound706 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonkennedy5987 I’m sorry for your loss
@jacksonkennedy5987 2 жыл бұрын
@@Greyhound706 ha ha ha yeah
@lovelessissimo Жыл бұрын
That Block II ejecting brass through a smoking hole in the mud was straight up magical.
@65thhitman86 2 ай бұрын
What upper is it tho
@_whyte.woods_1256 2 ай бұрын
@@65thhitman86He literally says at the beginning. A gov Block II upper on a civi lower
@ItsDoms Жыл бұрын
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the fact that he could have taken off the attachments to make the cleaning process easier but he kept it on for some odd reason
@JC-lk5hf Жыл бұрын
Because then you’d have to re zero everything
@ethanhiggins4887 Жыл бұрын
id rather re-zero than spend hours cleaning all that glass
@ItsDoms Жыл бұрын
@@JC-lk5hf and?
@JC-lk5hf Жыл бұрын
@@ItsDoms and nothing. I’m saying that’s probably why he did it. You’ll have to ask him if you want a real answer.
@ItsDoms Жыл бұрын
@@JC-lk5hf re zeroing takes 4 minutes tho
@floppa9415 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t even thinks thats that ridiculous. Imagine you are tactically running in the woods, and tactically tripping over a tactical branch into tactical mud.
@Saanonymous80 2 жыл бұрын
Or if we had to hide in the mud to avoid an Alien Bounty Hunter?
@Kevin_drinks_Lead 2 жыл бұрын
And not having time to tactically shake your rifle
@christopherrobin8134 2 жыл бұрын
Tactically.
@nuskox 2 жыл бұрын
hahahahahaha
@warriorstrategies4204 2 жыл бұрын
Oh right, the tactical rifle. The tactical rifle for Garand Thumb, the tactical rifle chosen specifically by Garand Thumb, Thumb's Tactical.
@RenoMay 2 жыл бұрын
Incoming Reddit posts: “Where does garand thumb get his mud, it looks cool and I wanted to get some for myself”
@LosRiji 2 жыл бұрын
Etsy.
@worthy0ne777 2 жыл бұрын
I got a supply of authentic garand thumb mud, it only costs 1 Bitcoin per pound.
@andreivaldez2929 2 жыл бұрын
He obviously mixed dirt with some Brandon Herrera's bathwater.
@beardly0121 2 жыл бұрын
"Hey guys check it out I cloned Mike's mud!"
@libertylivesin1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@andreivaldez2929 Brandon got his from Delphine tho...
@kepofshangri-la8942 Жыл бұрын
I love how the AUG made a little 'ploop' into the mud like the fish it is.
@BababooeyYcho66T Жыл бұрын
😂
@Bordie3D Жыл бұрын
please explain the science behind this comment being so funny
@Burning.Bridgesss 9 ай бұрын
💀
@z3centurion277 3 ай бұрын
That is hilarious
@a.k8185 2 ай бұрын
It clearly is an alien.
@buckeyebeliever3397 Жыл бұрын
Nothing was gained by keeping all those beautiful optics on 😢
@mattc6940 Жыл бұрын
except for time not re-zeroing them all lol
@buckeyebeliever3397 Жыл бұрын
@@mattc6940 yeah but now you have to wipe sandy mud off the glass and out of the turrets, it makes me cringe to think about. Zeroing is just a good excuse to go shooting lol
@mattc6940 Жыл бұрын
@@buckeyebeliever3397 yeah, the whole cleaning process of this entire experiment just makes me sad to think about lol
@buckeyebeliever3397 Жыл бұрын
@@mattc6940 glad it’s him and not me, thanks GT
@1014p Жыл бұрын
Yea there is actually, called you keep your zero. Take them off and your out at a bench resetting zero.
@kryvex4996 2 жыл бұрын
Garand Thumb: "Just no way, there's too much mud man!" SR-15: "And I took that personally."
@Edge51 2 жыл бұрын
SCAR: hold my beer
@THEZWARRIORWAR 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if it was some secon rate ar, but a KAC? Waste of time I say
@KrazyWorldWars 2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@jessecopp9206 2 жыл бұрын
@@Edge51 other than it stovepiped lol.
@CharlieMikeNS 2 жыл бұрын
@@THEZWARRIORWAR lol, because the KAC is way more sealed than other AR's
@9HoleReviews 2 жыл бұрын
Next on GT, will these rifles work with ravioli in their action? - lol preparing for war when it’s sunny with a chance of meatballs.
@9HoleReviews 2 жыл бұрын
And obviously the ARX would win
@mrs.vasquezz 2 жыл бұрын
@@9HoleReviews my favorite space rifle
@ES90344 2 жыл бұрын
👌👌🤏👐
@sportmotor181 2 жыл бұрын
I'd unironically like to see Grandthumb do this 😂
@jacobjohnson2603 2 жыл бұрын
need to get MattV2088 on this
@vgamedude12 Жыл бұрын
Aug performed really well in both tests so did fnc. Honestly very interested in the Aug after seeing more vids. Very proven rifle and well designed.
@RupertTheOctopus Жыл бұрын
And it looks cool af
@Driftuner Жыл бұрын
@@RupertTheOctopus true
@DeuxCheese Жыл бұрын
It's cool but the trigger is kind of ass.
@arlieproductions4794 Жыл бұрын
@@DeuxCheese Agreed, only problem with the one the aus army issued to me (EF88, super tactical version)
@BababooeyYcho66T Жыл бұрын
@@DeuxCheese I'm at the understanding that a shitty trigger is just part of the bullpup experience.
@taylormoore3121 Жыл бұрын
I think the DI M4/AR platforms did so well cause the gas pressure in the receiver helped clear the mud from the ejection port. Most of the piston guns struggled to do so.
@projectiledysfunction2217 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, I've seen similar results in other tests and with DI ARs you see debris practically explode away from the ejection port as the gun cycles. DI transfers more heat and fouling into the receiver when compared to a piston gun, but as I understand it that's as much a feature as a bug. Gas is shunted from the gas tube into the bolt via the key, and vented out of the carrier beside the gas rings. That combined with the fact that the DI system puts the rest of the receiver under positive pressure means that it clears it's own ejection port as it's fired
@saltypickle617 25 күн бұрын
Old comment, but yeah I thought that was interesting. Because those holes vent the gas out of the ejection port essentially correct? Incredible engineering.
@taylormoore3121 25 күн бұрын
@@saltypickle617Yeah, the direct impingement guns route gas back to the bolt carrier group to push the bolt back. So this increases pressure in the receiver area and looks like it kinda cleans mud away from the ejection port.
@armynurseboy 13 күн бұрын
AR design keeps mud out of the action in the first place. However, It would likely do less well in sand....which is where the AK pattern would likely do better.
@Silentguy_ 2 жыл бұрын
The Galil firing while not being full into battery is both impressive and absolutely terrifying
@calebscotson6797 2 жыл бұрын
My guess (emphasis on guess) is that high quality properly loaded ammo will probably fire just fine (as we saw for about 2 rounds) and in a combat situation I would rather have my weapon continue to fire instead of malfunction (that is impressive). That being said, weak or damaged casings (reloaded too many times brass, bad/rusted steal, etc) or hot loads from a sloppy reload or poor quality for military ammo and now you are in trouble. Maybe loose and eye or finger and a weapon that is out of commission in the field (this is terrifying).
@listek981 2 жыл бұрын
What that says it that Galil wasn't designed good enough. A gun firing out of battery is a bad design. One wrong case and you're fucked. It might be just this one specific gun or it might be all Galils, who the fuck knows, but the one used in the video should get checked cause it's not safe to use.
@calebscotson6797 2 жыл бұрын
@@listek981 I lean towards agreeing win you on that. Would be interesting to know what Galil would say about the video!
@violetfresh1790 2 жыл бұрын
The hazard here is that if the round isn't fully seated the bullet isn't properly alligned with the barrel. Because we use rounds with a different dimension for the bullet diameter and the casing diameter (contrasting with archaic rimmed cartridges with flat walls) if the cartridge isn't fully seated forward the bullet inherently will have wiggle room. Any misalignment, say from mud, might cause the bullet to be fired at an angle and impact the chamber or barrel wall. It's definitely not optimal
@voodoo1449 2 жыл бұрын
I was like WTF??😯😬
@etiennevanwyk7269 2 жыл бұрын
judging from the ice test, mud test and sand tests from other YT channels i have come to the conclusion that if you find yourself in a war zone and you have a choice between an m14 and a rock your chances of survival are better with a rock
@SentientDMT 2 жыл бұрын
It weighs a ton, jams all the time and looks like a Fudd gun. Rock > M14
@idkwhattoputhere.9891 2 жыл бұрын
Thats why i want a m1 Carbine.
@abatperson Жыл бұрын
@@SentientDMT I don't know the m14 is pretty heavy I would use it as a bat
@danielfulbright8685 Жыл бұрын
@@abatperson that's the trick; the m14 is the better pick for a melee weapon but the rock is a better ranged weapon
@Evongelo Жыл бұрын
Can you throw a rock as far as the m14 fires a bullet? Cause you get one shot just sayin. After that it’s a hell of a club.
@1014p Жыл бұрын
He has a full line up of really nice rifles. I can his anxiety of mud testing them. Now with that many rifles he must have a special truck rack to bring them put there.
@ryanreynolds3630 Жыл бұрын
Almost like the AK works in Siberia and the m16 worked in Vietnam lol
@sentryward8744 2 ай бұрын
Joke on you. In Nam, if their ak gets muddy, they will just take the cover off, slap it a little bit and then run the gun naked. Work like a charm
@jamilejalloh6921 2 жыл бұрын
Testing different platforms reliability when in different elements is a really good video idea and id love to see more
@turtleninjai 2 жыл бұрын
unless there's a co-op happening with either James Cameron (on the ocean floor) or one of the spacemen for testin in orbit/on the moon; doesn't ice+mud cover all of them? is sand that different? I don't know jack, im not a gunowner so i'm more or less asking?
@williamflowers9435 2 жыл бұрын
Polenar Tactical mud test kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ft6mpcuTnMfdh2w.html
@derekperez1418 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know, seeing them get hurt kinda sucks, especially the M-14, I cried a little. Like watching elderly abuse.
@corpsman1980 2 жыл бұрын
@@derekperez1418 guns are tools man. Tools need to thrive on abuse and neglect.
@argy007 2 жыл бұрын
I want see sand/dust. Direct Impingement ARs will probably have problems with it. Although, sand is is abrasive and will damage the guns, so we probably won’t see this.
@vincentcocchio3450 2 жыл бұрын
If you've ever bought a new gun, and to answer everyone who was asking why you bought it, you showed them the Garand Thumb video about it, go ahead and hit that subscribe button!
@rocket4320 2 жыл бұрын
Holy fucking bots.
@ujiltromm7358 2 жыл бұрын
BEGONE THBOTS!
@casey7091 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I bought a 100 year old model 1897 😂
@MrGuitarfreak132 Жыл бұрын
Mike you must really love us. I could never do this to any of my rifles. Thanks for taking one for the team! The results of this were indeed surprising. Seems like the tighter tolerances of the AR platform were actually an advantage for the mud along with the close bolt. The looser tolerances of the AK along with all that bolt and piston mass were an advantage for the freezing test. Very interesting results!
@pat8437 Жыл бұрын
Impressed, very impressed. ARs are interesting. FN FNC and FAL seemed to do decent in both ice and mud, as did AUG.
@easy_eight2810 2 жыл бұрын
I like how the AK's loose clearances allows the action to knock out any solid ice inside, but allows for liquid mud to enter and make a mess. While the AR's sealed design is better for sealing itself up against mud, but the tight nature of the design means that it can hardly move around once clogged up completely by frozen ice.
@draconicdolor5523 2 жыл бұрын
They really show the climates the weapons were designed to be used in
@24YOA 2 жыл бұрын
@@draconicdolor5523 Minus that Russia is icy during the winter and super muddy in the spring when it all melts. The Germans and Russians had major issues with Russian spring mud during WWII. Edit: And now they're dealing with it in Ukraine.
@protectpersevere2030 2 жыл бұрын
Yah Vietnam wasn’t to cold lol
@charlesm.2756 2 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: when fighting in the Arctic, take an AK. For everywhere else, the AR is king! Also, speaking from personal experience, I've never had the AR fail me downrange. Wipe it down every once in a while, don't over-lube it (just enough or it gets extra sloppy), and it will treat you right.
@24YOA 2 жыл бұрын
@@protectpersevere2030 They also didn't have cleaning kits in Vietnam + early M16s didn't have the excess gas letoff ports on the side of the bolt.
@sinnersmakethebestsaints1890 2 жыл бұрын
“These guns are gonna die, Dude” The sacrifices GT makes to entertain us while pinching a loaf must not go unappreciated.
@Hexaven 2 жыл бұрын
All the more reason to power shit through thirty plus minutes of leg-numbing forward leans 💪💩
@centermass4962 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao.
@fuzzy6809 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@jaconmojica4452 Жыл бұрын
The M4 platform is very underrated in terms of reliability. When I went through army basic we were using extremely used and abused FN M4s. Ridiculous sand and rain at Fort Jackson. Zero malfunctions and at the end I was put on the detail escorting the civilian armorers and my M4 failed head space test. Meaning I shot expert without a single malfunction on a broken weapon.
@Vernich762 11 ай бұрын
I’m a civilian so I’m not sure what you talking about. Care to explain?
@jaconmojica4452 11 ай бұрын
@@Vernich762 Which part?
@Vernich762 11 ай бұрын
The head space test
@jaconmojica4452 11 ай бұрын
@@Vernich762 At the end of basic they sent in armorers to inspect and fix all the rifles for the next class. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z5uGl6p7uKzNmH0.html this link explains it. My rifle was a no go but worked the whole time.
@Vernich762 11 ай бұрын
@@jaconmojica4452 I see
@adamcadmon3227 Ай бұрын
Absolutely love you guys. An absolute wealth of knowledge in these vids. Thank you!
2 жыл бұрын
I think the ARs clear the mud off the ejection port easily because it vents gas out the bolt carrier
@mikeymikeymikey8923 2 жыл бұрын
Good point
@Fed.Smoker 2 жыл бұрын
Almost like some mad man designed it that way.
@kasimshirzad4600 2 жыл бұрын
You are right!
@stedmanwheless5372 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, it's you! Like your videos man. More bolt release punches!
@jdslipknot 2 жыл бұрын
mud reload videos, lesgo
@Braindoner101 2 жыл бұрын
Mini FAL: issues Mike: just make the gas more violent and it’s fine.
@joshkiej6601 2 жыл бұрын
Well that's what it's for... The FNC has the same gas port system, and it's awesome in shitty environments or when your gun is just disgusting from training all day with it.
@Braindoner101 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshkiej6601 I used to really be an AR guy until mine just took a dump on me. I moved on to the B&T platform. Expensive but it’s worth it.
@joshkiej6601 2 жыл бұрын
@@Braindoner101 well i'm belgian and in the military, so i kinda am obliged to fanboy over FN, which i do regularly
@jackmcgowan5848 2 жыл бұрын
More Violence is always the answer
@wombatusmaximus1788 2 жыл бұрын
It's a metaphor for life, man. The Designers of the FAL were philosophers
@braxtonflake2130 Жыл бұрын
As an "AK Guy" myself, I do say that I am sad that they both failed, but I am happy to know that they were not the only ones that failed. All of them performed well, and you must give credit where credit is due! Guess this is just incentive to get both platforms!
@iksdik Жыл бұрын
Они не оригиналы, АКМ советских уже не достать, видимо этот либо румынский либо китайский. АК 105 американский, детали плотно подогнаны и нет "зазора надёжности"
@kennyk541 Жыл бұрын
@@iksdik your in denial look at any mud test the Ak performs like shit
@Grooove_e 7 ай бұрын
I'd like to see some of the more rare Russian AK variants get tested. I have a Izhmash Saiga AK in .308/7.62x51 from before they were banned from import and I'd be curious to see how it'd do in these tests. Molot Vepr and Izhmash Saiga were both known for making indestructible AK
@chaosXP3RT Күн бұрын
Just don't cover your AKs in mud or freeze your AR's in ice!
@yeelowballs 9 ай бұрын
As an AK guy myself, I wasn’t disappointed with this test! Also I like the way this guy talks 💪🏼
@SantosGunworks 2 жыл бұрын
The gas coming back from the DI system is probably why the DI AR’s do so well. The gas is probably blowing that mud out of the system. Most of the piston rifles didn’t do as well because there is no gas coming back.
@Radvous 2 жыл бұрын
A+ for the DI system vent ports.
@tomisamish 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, those two holes in the side of the bolt are where the gas gets vented after it keeps the bolt locked initially. The original DI AR15 is designed to blow dirt and debris out of the action.
@Thorn19774 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what's happening. If you watch InRangeTV's mud tests in the slow mo the gas actually blows all that mud out and allows it to cycle more reliably than the AK
@Wh1stle_03 2 жыл бұрын
Just as God and Eugene Stoner intended
@RockSolitude 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wh1stle_03 And the greatest American who ever lived: Jesus
@Angry_Ranger 2 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest here, who HASN'T dropped their rifle in the mud accidentally when their mom called them to come get lunchables? I assume it's happened to everyone at some point.
@z71offroad2000 2 жыл бұрын
LOL- L.A.R.P. Come on kids its half time!!! Come get your orange slices and gatorade!!!
@MrMackMoran 2 жыл бұрын
Facts.
@placedasian3 2 жыл бұрын
Even a month later; this comment is grossly underrated.
@heyheyhophop 2 жыл бұрын
Launchables, aka rifle grenades.
@windsorcastl 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i remember at my 6th birthday party, mom called us in for dinner and out of pure excitement for caviar and rits crackers, I stuffed my m1 abrahms directly in the neighborhood pete bog. Ill never forget the mud horror. Still fired though after being fully submerged for 3 hours 🤷♀️
@Ty91222 Жыл бұрын
Hey Grand Thumb, thanks for the knowledge. Love the channel. Do you think you could do the same tests with sand?
@thebull_1 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for putting your guns through this for us viewers. I’m sure it was a pain afterwards. Subscribed.
@scottbattles4944 2 жыл бұрын
"Those AR's, you just throw a little dust at them and they'll jam." -Every Fudd ever. LMFAO
@jimvac77 2 жыл бұрын
Get you a thurdy-thurdy, you caint hunt deer with them ARs anyway.
@edim108 2 жыл бұрын
@@BezmenovDisciple It's even funnier considering it also failed the Ice Test on the first round 😂
@CrpMag 2 жыл бұрын
Only reason the AR ever had any sort of bad rap was because of the original M-16 that was issued in the beginning of nam. There has been a few improvements since then including the issued ammunition.
@Burris19D 2 жыл бұрын
@@CrpMag Actually the first ones weren't bad either. The only real upgrade that helped reliability on the later models was a chromed chamber which was beneficial if people didn't keep their guns cleaned. Things rust like crazy in the jungle environment so with a bunch of draftees not caring enough to clean their rifles once that chamber gets dirty and wet it will rust and eventually pit. Then the brass will expand into the pitting and not extract and can rip the head off of the case trying to get it out. The other big problem wasn't firearm related but ammunition related when they switched powders to save money since they already had a surplus of the old stuff and decided to make it work. It was much dirtier and I believe had to be pushed to a higher PSI to achieve the same velocity. If you kept your rifle clean it should have been fine either way, but lack in cleaning would cause issues even faster with the powder change.
@Burris19D 2 жыл бұрын
While on the subject for anyone interested in this subject of real "reliability improvements" in the AR platform I will list them real quick. The chrome chamber helped quite a bit in Vietnam and was introduced in the mid-late 60's but the earlier rifles were fine if kept clean. One other reliability improvement they did in Vietnam was change the buffer system from the Edgewater to the current system. The original Edgewater system worked great and had a faster cyclic rate but in rare cases could freeze up and cause issues. My uncle actually had a M14 in nam originally and said the humidity would rust the bolt shut if he didn't cycle the action every day. He then later had a pieced together M16 the armorer put together using the oldest model the 601 made in the late 50's with the slower 1-14 twist barrel and Edgewater buffer system and never had any trouble out of it nor seen anyone else having issues with their newer 603 models with the updates. Well after Vietnam and even after the A2 in the 80's when we went to the Carbine system there was occasional extraction issues especially with worn springs. A simple fix that remains on almost all bolts this day is a o-ring under the spring to add tension. That with a decent spring is the best reliability mod you can make if your bolt doesn't have one. They aren't really needed on 20" rifle gas systems but help a lot on the shorter gas systems. So the only real improvements in reliability of the M16 from the first 601 model in the 50's to today is the Chrome chamber, and extra tension on the extractor with a more modernized buffer system. These things weren't really issues if you took proper care of your firearm but they give a bigger margin of error and help quite a bit when you are neglecting upkeep.
@yeetmcmeat 2 жыл бұрын
I cant even imagine the cleanup on this, the amount of effort put in is amazing.
@gunsandcommissions 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure it involved a water hose and a driveway covered in mud.
@Boreasthenorthwind 2 жыл бұрын
Softest nozzle on your pressure washer my guy
@panzershock441 2 жыл бұрын
Just hug them close while crying in the shower over this atrocity.
@tiusarmor2100 2 жыл бұрын
A firing tests afterward would be another good test.
@dbender88 2 жыл бұрын
fill a bathtub up with ballistol and chuck em all in for a couple days to soak
@pichetkullavanijaya6908 Жыл бұрын
You have a great job that's an envy for me and countless other guys... What a job!
@jordanweller5412 3 ай бұрын
Very good presentations overall👍 Keep up the good work
@SavageShooter93 2 жыл бұрын
AK people: You can literally dig an AK out of the mud and it will work fine! Also AK people: That mud test is ridiculous!
@charlieb308 2 жыл бұрын
That stupid story from Vietnam, they found an AK buried in a pit, dug it out and didn’t even clean out rifle and it fired, yeah sure, had mud in barrel and still fired.
@WTFisTingispingis 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlieb308 I blame that story for giving AK people reasons to keep defending it.
@charlieb308 2 жыл бұрын
@@WTFisTingispingis very first day I was ever at a shooting range this crazy guy showed up with AK and was shooting it right next to me to annoy me(because I had an AR15) and somehow that day he blew it up, he was throwing it around and I believe dirt got inside barrel and it popped! That was my introduction into the AR vs AK stuff, it was first day I owned any rifle. The mini 14 guys were biggest idiots, they would say an AR jams up with one spec of dirt on it, which actually is opposite of truth, mini 14 jams super quick with any mud or dirt on it while AR does best in mud tests. I currently own a Colt AR15 and Russian AK74.
@NotJustAnotherAverageJoe 2 жыл бұрын
@@WTFisTingispingis I mean, it is a good rifle. Just not the best.
@charlieb308 2 жыл бұрын
@@DS-mt9yb what war are you talking about?
@Hispanicpanick0 2 жыл бұрын
The DI bolts blowing gas out the side of the ejection port did wonders. Every piston gun had the same failure to eject with the caked on mud, the only AR type gun to fail was the piston HK system. What a crazy byproduct of a DI bolt. So cool.
@slick4415 2 жыл бұрын
People say pistons are more reliable too
@Hispanicpanick0 2 жыл бұрын
@@slick4415 Well for this edge case of ejection port mud cake, piston guns just so happen to not blast gas out the side. I wonder if we will see this implemented in future gun designs just for this very reason.
@deejay1534 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the MCX did the same and it's a piston AR. All the AR's stovepiped but after clearing they fired fine.
@krisrhebergen 2 жыл бұрын
@@slick4415 right, my experience has beat to death m16s working more reliably than the m27 in harsh conditions. Another thing I notice too is the HK short strokes when mud is dried in the piston return spring. I'd love to see someone test that out and see if its not just my experience.
@joshkirkby8103 2 жыл бұрын
@@deejay1534 the mcx didn’t work as well when the mud was left caked on tho
@bussey1802 Жыл бұрын
I love the crisp quality of this video
@chazschaefer7525 Жыл бұрын
Good video, the one I was hoping would do well did. I have to say thank you for the half hour video but I do not envy the time it will take you to clean all those guns. I also do not envy anyone that you recruit to help you clean all those guns. Thank you for all the videos, even with the cleanup you have to do in all of them. Keep up the good work.
@landonramsey462 2 жыл бұрын
Positive pressure in the AR chambers is likely blowing the mud off the ejection port before the spent casing even touches mud.
@s0nnyburnett 2 жыл бұрын
The gas vent holes in the bolt already blow some of the mud out of the way before the case even extracts all the way.
@coreyp9211 2 жыл бұрын
They should change “It sh*ts where it eats” to “Its blows dirt and debris away from where it eats.”
@vincentcocchio3450 2 жыл бұрын
I love how now Mike and Polenar tactical also have their version of the mud test
@moneymanofficial 2 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Squidward 🇮🇱💪
@beachdrugpanda 2 жыл бұрын
Same day too
@fullhouse3175 2 жыл бұрын
their participation in "light infantry 2021" competition, where "each second" AR has failed is even better)
@kennylai3327 2 жыл бұрын
Sooner or later , Polenar will be the next KZfaqr breaking the sr 15.
@jshaw1503 2 жыл бұрын
Yo what the fuck is up with the bots in here lmao
@mainstream7306 Жыл бұрын
good soundtrack in the background and a fantastic demonstration.
@tr3v0r100 Жыл бұрын
This video breaks my heart over and over again... such beautiful weapons
@nellsonstout7001 4 ай бұрын
Yes but how the hell do you know what’s actually going to perform in bad conditions?
@wildabeast_szwarc 2 жыл бұрын
If you've ever watched a torture test for an environment that's nothing like where you live, hit that subscribe button
@iIllupo 2 жыл бұрын
u have no mud?
@Aurora4804 2 жыл бұрын
@@iIllupo some places don't...
@iIllupo 2 жыл бұрын
@@Aurora4804 xD like where?? in the ocean? the desert?
@jac1207 2 жыл бұрын
in PNW so there's a large range of weather conditions, especially the last few years. Although sand conditions are a bit rare unless you hit central oregon.
@bronzebow4235 2 жыл бұрын
If you have ever needed a torture test for almost every environment...you probably live in the Midwest...
@KentuckyBallistics 2 жыл бұрын
Where was the Hi Point 10mm carbine?
@gunplaytv 2 жыл бұрын
Dammit Scott, no!
@vega1287 2 жыл бұрын
wasn't that the one that at some point stopped working from wear?
@cammclendon4024 2 жыл бұрын
In the trash
@bluelwood 2 жыл бұрын
all the test guns had to be of enough value to make you flinch not laugh when he tossed them in the mud🤣
@jackmcgowan5848 2 жыл бұрын
He didn't want to make the other guns look too bad 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@slavikkokoiev6723 Жыл бұрын
Thx for your work! great job
@sniperninja27 Жыл бұрын
for 4 seconds and you get a like, Mike. Proud of you. Interesting to note, the full mud tests obstructing the discharge port which passed, when the first round went, it blew all the mud off clearing the way for the rest and didn't pull mud into the device, i feel like its how the designer is utilizing the gas? (block II and SR-15 in particular) over gassing maybe? pretty neat though.
@projectiledysfunction2217 Жыл бұрын
This is a feature of the DI system. People malign it for depositing heat and fouling on action components and act like Stoner was a moron for not anticipating this, but the tradeoff is that the receiver and even bolt carrier is under positive pressure during extraction. I'm guessing what blew the mud away from the port before the shell even extracted are the small holes you see in the carrier- remember that gas vents from the tube, through the gas key, and into the bolt to equalize pressure on the bolt head as the gun cycles
@oskar6661 2 жыл бұрын
As a long time AK user, I'm not entirely sure where the "You can pour mud into it, and it'll work!" idea started. The only good part about an AK in a situation like this, is the ease of access to solve the problem. You have big boy controls, and you can yank your dust cover and pour out the debris/problem solve with relative ease. While the AK is less likely to stall due to small debris (i.e. pieces of primer that can jam an M4 trigger group) inside, the idea that it'll power through mud in the receiver is internet myth. While the AK components in the gun are larger/more robust/simpler than an AR - meaning you can indeed dig one up from the ground in Africa after 20 years and shoot the thing...you still gotta clean it and occasionally lube that thing. The only things you're missing are the abundant small springs/tiny pieces which the AR possesses (the main things which contributed to the poor performance in the ice). In the words of some of our favourite instructors, the AK is not infallible - but fortunately it tends to be easier to unfuck.
@GeorgeLCostnza 2 жыл бұрын
What I find interesting is that you could pull that cleaning rod out and have a go at the barrel from the muzzle end and possibly clear that rock/debris get back in the fight. Nothing else on the table has the rod right there. Might not have made a difference, but I was hoping he would try it.
@bronsedragon 2 жыл бұрын
full cope engaged
@mgabino2 2 жыл бұрын
@@bronsedragon 😂
@geebeaux 2 жыл бұрын
Very well put. I have seen the sand tests, where AKs can literally take all that will fit inside the receiver & still function, because it gets swept & blown out. The adhesion & rock content you get with mud is a whole extra set of problems. Its surprising that any semi auto ran with that blob of mud over the port.
@23Shimy 2 жыл бұрын
So u literally answered ur own question
@samm5111 Жыл бұрын
The fact that it took everything but actively trying to push mud into the ejection ports on some of these rifles to just cause them to jam up is really, really impressive design work.
@catinthehat906 3 ай бұрын
This isn't really a proper mud test. A real test would be full immersion in thick mud so the whole weapon disappears, is then retrieved and fired then reloaded with another mag and fired again. The only gun I've ever seen pass that test was the Owen submachine carbine in historical WW2 footage.
@lambdaspecialist_source Жыл бұрын
Ahhh its a pain to watch the rifles get so muddy
@dangdang8106 Жыл бұрын
Best channel I've come across love every video
@prfwrx2497 2 жыл бұрын
27:20 Galil bolt carrier cam track (and also AK by extension) has a long underlug. Meaning, there's a lot of travel fore and aft even after the bolt carrier has locked the bolt into battery. So you can see that even if the BCG isn't fully home, the bolt is actually home because long underlug, and therefore hammer can strike the bolt tail area with the head of firing pin sticking out, hence rifle fires safely. Technically, the hammer FORCES the BCG to travel the rest of the way forward and then hits the firing pin, you get the idea. It's just dead space that's there mainly for the unlocking phase - delays the onset of extraction which makes extraction easier. TL DR that's not a bug, that's a feature.
@GarnRcN 2 жыл бұрын
There was a comment a saw about asking to see the brass of it but, it would be great to see could that be a life ending failure to happen or could you just see a failure of fire? Essentially would that function survive a mag dump? Be interesting to see in slow motion safely aswell
@anonymousanglo1169 2 жыл бұрын
AKfanboy COPE
@12DisturbedGuy93 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that AKs and ARs swapped between tests yet the AUG seems pretty reliable in both.
@4scoren744 2 жыл бұрын
The Australian army declassified their testing data from when they initially chose it as their standard weapon. The results were interesting and indicated the reliability in adverse conditions was great. If I remember correctly, they submerged the rifle in a barrel of mud for an extended period of time and it still fired. Makes me wonder why they're so eager to swap it out for an AR variant now.
@Bandit4557 2 жыл бұрын
@@4scoren744 Cheaper.
@paladinanderson8433 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bandit4557 better
@Bandit4557 2 жыл бұрын
@@paladinanderson8433 Truth.
@Titan_Moss37 2 жыл бұрын
@@4scoren744 that testing was done in the 60s. ARs have come along way since then, Augs for the most part haven’t.
@ericlewis3681 6 ай бұрын
This was an impressive test!
@abrahampantoja8244 Жыл бұрын
Love from Chicago. Stay safe brother.
@stonewulf2755 2 жыл бұрын
Be interesting to find out how well the optics lenses survived after cleaning, don't think I've seen a video on that anywhere.
@kimtherocketman3105 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mushroom1882 u don't say...
@grimreminder5038 2 жыл бұрын
Mud test is one thing, but with attachments? That's commitment
@blacksky5883 2 жыл бұрын
Right? I loved hearing him say "poor delta point" and all that. I know that's gonna be rough to clean
@grimreminder5038 2 жыл бұрын
@@blacksky5883 Especially if/when that mud dries, but for the sake of science, had to happen
@jessejimenez9915 Жыл бұрын
Just now seeing this video a year later. Very interesting results and glad I have an order in for a 5.56 LMT piston. I think it would have been also interesting to see the results of budget versions of AR and AK and the other platforms.
@ridnthawave708 Жыл бұрын
Jesse, Just curious why you have decided on LMT piston? I have several Lmt’s, DI versions, but, I understand their and other piston systems, besides hk, are not good. This also is somewhat confirmed through battle field Vegas
@pierrepoitras1798 Жыл бұрын
I can smell the gun cleaner all the way up north!!! Well done
@JohnPaulHare 2 жыл бұрын
The Block II spitting brass as hard as it did through mud was surprising, considering the MR556A1/416 malfunctioned at the same point in the test and kind set my expectations for the other AR-15s on the table. But the difference in operating mechanism, as others have pointed out, with the 416 being a piston system and the Block II and SR-15 being DI guns, makes sense as to why they'd walk away victorious here. Like you said, there's a tool for every job. I live in Florida where ice is no issue, but I'm interested to see a sand test at some point since I have a DI AR-15. If I ever find myself in a muddy environment, though, I'll be glad to have this mud test info in my back pocket.
@warmonkey3216 2 жыл бұрын
Aks are known to perform extremely well in sand. ARs also perform well in sand as long as you dont go crazy with your lube and keep it sealed
@firebirdgaming3595 2 жыл бұрын
I think both ARs and AKs do fine in sand assuming you don't go overboard with it, but I'd still be interested in seeing a sand test!
@mynameisjeff6988 2 жыл бұрын
a majority of the guns here in this vid have been used in the middle east for a long time, the AR and AK platform have shown their worth in the sand. What will undoubtedly be the most reliable in sand is the Kac sr15 and sr25, since their bolt is literally called the SandCutter haha
@lucasburroughs226 2 жыл бұрын
Question, if this did happen to you how would you clean the rifle? I am thinking you would need water at some level? Then completely strip everything and judiciously lube the parts and reassemble. Never cleaned my gun with water before And wondering if that is a mistake?
@kindercannon2280 2 жыл бұрын
@@mynameisjeff6988 don’t forget the galil!
@kinglybuzzard5290 2 жыл бұрын
It is actually hilarious how badly and how quickly the M14 failed
@DevDog67 2 жыл бұрын
It's seriously not a good option as a battle rifle. No wonder it didn't last long.
@bryanberlin 8 ай бұрын
I love this video. When your running and gunning you will face plant at some point. It's nice to know what you got when you stand back up!! Thanks!
@MrCobb-rq8iv 5 ай бұрын
Look it over and dig things out before you get up and get shot........
@noahvang6901 Жыл бұрын
I think it actually makes a lot of sense that the m4, and it's variants is able to expel mud from the ejection port. It vents gas through a gas port located on the bolt carrier. Thus forcing the mud out of the way, and allowing the round to extract properly. It's also why the dust cover flies open when ever a round is fired. While a piston systems use momentum to cycle the bolt, there is nothing to actually force mud out of the way and thus the round it tries to eject gets stuck. So although the gun can cycle properly it is unable to eject the round. It is kind of a niche since a soldier would usually do the customary shake. Still though Eugene Stoner is an absolute genius.
@dudeman5218 2 жыл бұрын
Need to do this with conceal carry pistols, you’d see way more different fanboy reactions when a certain brand of pistol doesn’t work
@85November 2 жыл бұрын
Will XD carrying 'sheepdogs' be vindicated? lol
@farlesbarkley1022 2 жыл бұрын
Check out military arms channel's gauntlet test
@stuffzie8329 2 жыл бұрын
You don't need a conceal carry pistol, just stuff an RPG into your pocket. Basic knowledge smh.
@willleeper3439 2 жыл бұрын
Testing dickcheese resistance
@wily4422 2 жыл бұрын
I saw a glock get baked into a cake and still shot. Call me a fanboy but...
@zbreeden7622 2 жыл бұрын
The AK platforms did better than I expected actually. But what we can all agree on is that the M14 is inferior to the FAL.
@wtice4632 2 жыл бұрын
The m14 is inferior to everything
@zbreeden7622 2 жыл бұрын
I despise the magazine angle on them. Also Italy somehow did the same thing in like a 10th the time.
@andreivaldez2929 2 жыл бұрын
M14 is overhyped and overrated.
@chrisclark6161 2 жыл бұрын
It may be inferior in every way, but it has the most important factor on lock. It's aesthetic. It looks like it's about to put on mirrored aviators, pound some cocaine, and have three day sex party.
@williamflowers9435 2 жыл бұрын
For some redemption of the AK kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ft6mpcuTnMfdh2w.html
@erikrhodesbosch Жыл бұрын
that dust cover coming in for the win!
@smokingcrab2290 Жыл бұрын
Should have been called a mud cover
@HMSNeptun 3 ай бұрын
Tbh it's mostly the DI system spewing gas(and the casing along with it) out that helped the most You can see the piston AR style rifles jammed or had some form of failure to extract, as does the AK
@wyleejensen3646 Жыл бұрын
I love the heavy breathing it really ads to the video I was on the edge of my seat
@ninjamero7135 2 жыл бұрын
I never thought today I would be this hyped about seeing mud in rifles. Polenar Tactical posted their mud test an hour ago.
@samadams9557 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I saw Ian’s test and was really impressed with it. This just confirms his findings. So, if you’re headed into a jungle or muddy environment; bring your AR15. Headed into the frozen tundra; AK47
@BrunoViniciusCampestrini 2 жыл бұрын
If you are going to both; AUG lol
@ExtremeUnction1988 2 жыл бұрын
Or take either into either, and just try not to slam it into the mud TOTALLY/soak it in water and leave it out to freeze overnight lol
@paintballplayer700 2 жыл бұрын
I felt this test was more helpful than the ice test. If you fall in the mud you're gonna shake off your rifle, and they did, but they practically submerged the rifles in water in the ice test and made no effort to shake them out before freezing.
@JC-nm2jg 2 жыл бұрын
@@paintballplayer700 "hold on lemme shake out the ice"
@trafe8654 2 жыл бұрын
It really does make sense though, the M16/AR platform of weapons was originally made for use in Vietnam, which is muddy and humid. The US also does vary, but unless you live in Alaska, it doesn’t get as cold as russia in the US. The AK was made in Russia, which is cold and snowy nearly all year long.
@johntoes1260 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the selection of these weapons are fantastic man like i don’t see how some of those camo and designing of it is great.
@gbart7857 Жыл бұрын
The direct impingement guns (classic ar with gas tube) have their own little "mud breaker" blast out of the bolt carrier itself just as it unlocks. You can see a hole being blown in the mud as it ejects, from the vent holes in the carrier (DI uses the rear of the bolt and the space in the carrier as a low-pressure "piston" that shoves the carrier backwards; the holes vent this "piston") The pressure might even create a sort of gas bubble/layer between the bolt carrier and mud layer, reducing the resistance of the mud against the carrier.
@zackattack8679 2 жыл бұрын
After watching Brandon's reaction to the SCAR in freezing conditions, I cant wait to see how he reacts to the AK platforms in mud!!
@xthee_0nly_1x11 2 жыл бұрын
I’m betting his reaction is that he won’t react at all lol. He’s probably thinking ‘let’s not talk about this video. Ever…” I still like AK’s tho… But I also like AR’s, so that’s why I have both. Every tool has its purpose. Why limit yourself with just one platform?
@ulrickts 2 жыл бұрын
I, for one, am looking forward to Lord AK's reactions.
@nickbono8 2 жыл бұрын
I like how GarandThumb’s channel has gone from über serious, to serious with a bit more fun. It’s a nice change because, yes, guns are serious and should always be taken as such, but they still can be a very good time if handled properly.
@tfwwhennofitlitgf3300 2 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? GT started on /k/, shilling himself through the /gq/ threads. He's always been a shitposter.
@Sethflig 2 жыл бұрын
He started off with M1 Garand run n guns and skinwalker tutorials. He’s always had some fun
@livinginhistory9623 2 жыл бұрын
@Cova Amdi yo what?
@mourtadhabennaoum2411 Жыл бұрын
Such a good video and effort. You can find better and bigger pool of mudd.
@andrewfriedrich1821 10 ай бұрын
The sr15 has always been my favorite ar type weapon and it always will be after this. New ars keep coming out but the sr15 is just always the best
@CompletePandemonium 2 жыл бұрын
As a huge M1/M14/M1A fan it was heartbreaking but not surprising to see the weapon fail. The design is outdated. Better options are available for the extreme conditions. Thank you for these tests. They are entertaining.
@macrossMX 2 жыл бұрын
Even InRangeTV did a mud test on the M14 and got the same result. As much as I love the design, the action is way too open to keep mud away from the moving parts, and there are too many tiny nooks and crannies for even the smallest of pebbles to fall in to and jam the action.
@Mediiiicc 2 жыл бұрын
AR-15 has positive internal pressure because it "shits where it eats". This is why it was able to avoid stovepipe malfunction, because the mud was at least loosened up if not blown away thanks to the gas system.
@azone123465 2 жыл бұрын
By design to push out foreign matter.
@ricojes 2 жыл бұрын
M16A1 vets having a hardon rn.
@RockSolitude 2 жыл бұрын
@@azone123465 doubt that was the reason but sure
@hansgruber9685 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockSolitude It was. Do some research.
@kikicantu5934 Жыл бұрын
@Garanda Thumb Please do a sand test and see how well all these new ARs hold up against desert conditions 🙏🙏
@georgebowman1060 6 ай бұрын
Cool testing
@paul7from7ukr 2 жыл бұрын
Turns out maybe overgassed and/or carbine length AR gas systems have a place. And that place is ejecting casings through a slab of mud.
@weasle2904 2 жыл бұрын
carbine length gas system in a 14.5 seems like a pretty practical choice, which is literally an M4. Wow imagine that engineers know what they're doing lol
@deadheart556 2 жыл бұрын
Wow...breaking news. Reliable gun is reliable.
@WarheadFPS 2 жыл бұрын
The AK pattern rifle failures make sense, in range TV showed that mud likes to get into the locking lugs for the bolt. As far as the Jim fuller AK I suspect the reason why that one was the worse is because it's not as gassed up as the AKM
@rotwang2000 2 жыл бұрын
To me the next question would be "So those guns are completely gunked up, which one is the fastest back in business ?" Maybe the AK could win in that department.
@tetispinkman9135 2 жыл бұрын
akm is outdated in modern combat.
@piotr277 2 жыл бұрын
InRange tests are unrealistic at best because their 'mud' is actually desert sand mixed with water, which is completely idiotic to use as 'mud' since circumstances of encountering such 'mud' are very limited to say the least, the type of 'mud' one might to deal with will most likely be soil or clay based, which would make it easier/harder to get into crevices and less/more likely to cause a malfunction of the gun.
@M2fiftycal 2 жыл бұрын
@TetisPinkman 91 lol, no it's not
@fmlymn1 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a Good point; that the Fuller AK’s tuned gas system would be a disadvantage in those conditions
@garybiggs9010 5 ай бұрын
The FAL carrier and receiver is a close fit. There are "sand cut" carriers and receivers that allow pockets in the action for the accumulation of debris to collect. There is also a rare ejection port dust cover body cover that was made. The use of these would help the FAL. In a pinch you can also quickly remove the steel body cover if need be.
@hunterjernigan2176 Жыл бұрын
Bro i have so much fun watching these and i think its pretty fair video
@largelarry2126 2 жыл бұрын
The FNC has got to be the hardest ejecting rifle ever made. I had three and every one of them sent the brass into outer space. Standing on level ground about 30 to 50 yards away or more.
@reconjohn 2 жыл бұрын
Sending brass into lower Earth orbit with the FNC
@f1r3hunt3rz5 2 жыл бұрын
That's why it's my favourite, full metal shooty tooty, nothing more nothing less
@jbloun911 Жыл бұрын
Brass is secondary projectiles when being attacked from the flank
@shockwave6213 Жыл бұрын
*Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle has entered the chat*
@breathoftheuniverse5642 Жыл бұрын
Geo centric orbit speedrun any%
@averagejoexd2340 2 жыл бұрын
15:28 i love that this is a prime example to always check to see if your chamber is empty, the fact that there were 2 shells in there is crazy.
@Saskamon Жыл бұрын
Everytime you were throwing a gun - I had a heartache. Everything for a great video. Thanks a lot! Awesome test. And awesome video.
@betafishjeremy7454 Жыл бұрын
If a gun can't handle a 4 foot drop it's not a good gun
@Saskamon Жыл бұрын
@@betafishjeremy7454 thats true
@nowornever2504 2 жыл бұрын
The conclusion… The AR is a tight tolerance closed system so it can bind up in freezing weather but repels foreign components better. The AK is the opposite.
@alexanderludvigsen1893 2 жыл бұрын
makes sense, the ak were made in a country where -45 degrees celcius is not uncommon in winter
@Milkywayboy 2 жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@johniron7269 2 жыл бұрын
the DI guns did eavan better blowing the dirt away with the excess mud on the bolt
@easucks1776 2 жыл бұрын
ARs don't bind up in freezing weather. They bind up if you pour water into the action in freezing temperatures and then let it freeze for hours and then immediately try to shoot it. So in no realistic situation.
@MisterNi 2 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@smarterthanthou1953 2 жыл бұрын
I’m an AK guy all day. But I’m happy to see the AR guys win on this one. I felt bad after that Freeze test. The AR platform is an incredible feat of engineering that I marvel.
@ronp5755 2 жыл бұрын
I love both
@Eric__B 2 жыл бұрын
I’d be curious how a stock over gassed AK would do. These AKs appear properly gassed.
@DAKOTA56777 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eric__B Since the AK problems were related with going into battery due to mud in front of the bolt I don't think overgassing it will make any difference, they blew open just fine already. Closing is done by the springs.
@Eric__B 2 жыл бұрын
@@DAKOTA56777 When did it get in between the bolt face and the barrel? It got in after a round was fired and the bolt opened. A bit more gas and the spent shell might have knocked more of the mud outward on its way out. Also a bit more gas means harder recoil impulse and more mud removal. Not saying for sure an overgassed AK would survive but I'd be curious to see how it compared
@DAKOTA56777 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eric__B Possibly, but I personally doubt it would make much of a difference, it's still only 7.62x39, even overgassed it's not going to put out a lot of recoil to shake itself of mud, but I'll grant you that it may have a slim chance of making a difference.
@holymackenaw Жыл бұрын
Love the smile on his face. Pure joy and fun.
@johntoes1260 Жыл бұрын
It must feel good man.I love it
@johntoes1260 Жыл бұрын
I love it
@daveparlby2948 Жыл бұрын
Great test. Awesome video, as always. What brand of jaket are you wearing?
@kinocorner976 2 жыл бұрын
AK guys: “Haha, salty AR boys can’t handle the cold!” *Mud* AK: “Oh no…”
@mutilator97 2 жыл бұрын
Did we not watch the same video? cause literally every gun but the ar10 and FAL failed when he didn't shake the rifle. Go figure, they were the full power cartridge guns. The AKM having a random rock get into the locking grooves could've happened to any rifle.
@apetersousc 2 жыл бұрын
@@mutilator97 Literally no, Block II and SR-15 locked back - no shake.
@MrGhjkl63 2 жыл бұрын
@@mutilator97 incorrect
@zzApotheosis 2 жыл бұрын
*laughs with AR in right hand and AK in left hand*
@xpoback 2 жыл бұрын
@@mutilator97 you probably watched a different video. Both AKs failed completely, the AK-105 had the same problem as the AKM. Also the Galil (an AK-like system), which did work though, had the same problem with mud sticking inside.
@PracticalTacticalAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video!!! People often criticize the direct gas impingement system of the AR15 because it blows powder residue into the action, but I have always argued that the DI system also blows junk out of the action. This video clearly supports that same conclusion. Powder residue is so fine that in all but the most neglected conditions poses little threat to functionality.
@PracticalTacticalAccuracy 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, and piston driven guns no not create a positive pressure environment inside the action and therefore do not naturally evacuate debris. This leaves piston driven guns more prone the failure in the mud.
@mfree80286 2 жыл бұрын
@@PracticalTacticalAccuracy It's even worse, a tightly designed externally gassed weapon is going to generate *negative* pressure as the bolt is driven back initially, something has to displace the volume that's moving out of the front of the action. It will literally suck mud into the action... potentially not much, but some.
@baconbit9850 Жыл бұрын
We appreciate you for this
@nelsonenaccion4x424 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding video
@eddietat95 2 жыл бұрын
When Ian from Forgotten Weapons said that he would bring an AR over an AK in the trenches of WWI... this is basically why. AK would probably excel in the Stalingrad winter of WWII.
@codemy666 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious tho how so many different tests have so many different results, i mean we've both seen AKs drenched in mud the same way and still fire
@eddietat95 2 жыл бұрын
@@codemy666 It's hard to say without physically being at each test and then disassembling and inspecting the internals. Different tolerances from different manufacturers, perhaps? Ammo?
@codemy666 2 жыл бұрын
@@eddietat95 I wonder how modern built genuine russian AKs would fare, also the new AK-12s
@sherlock_backs 2 жыл бұрын
@@codemy666 probably the same
@SMGJohn 2 жыл бұрын
@@KeterMalkuth Much like AR platforms in sanded environment.
@bubbathedm 2 жыл бұрын
Once again, a properly maintained AR style weapon is proven to be one of the most reliable weapons in the world.
@mjcmustang Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how many people I've told this and they argue against it, many of them military vets. Then they tell me the horror stories of the shitty rifles an armorer threw together and I ask them: what failed you, a bad design or bad workmanship? Eugene Stoner was a genius, the John Browning of his era.
@moisesaguirre515 Жыл бұрын
I'm a vet and honestly the ar is a lil bitch when it comes to getting dirty. All it takes is one water logged chest deep trench and that's it for half the weapons in a platoon and that always seemed like a huge flaw to me
@bubbathedm Жыл бұрын
@@moisesaguirre515 so what you’re saying is that you never learned how to hold a rifle over your head when walking through chest deep water, something all soldiers have been taught to do SINCE THE INVENTION OF FIREARMS?
@moisesaguirre515 Жыл бұрын
@@bubbathedm that's a software solution to a hardware problem. Luckily I've only encountered such conditions in training (which is how I know for a fact that a wet enough trench has the power to disarm half a platoon) but if Americans found themselves fighting in the mud for weeks on end I'm pretty sure I know how it's going to go unless we have massive air superiority. AK is more vulnerable to getting material inside of the weapon but you can clear basically any fouling by working the action. A mucked up m16 will not even let you pull back the charging handle
@bubbathedm Жыл бұрын
@@moisesaguirre515 the m16 has a dust cover which also works for mud, learn to use it. It even opens by itself when you go to shoot.
@jeff4153 Жыл бұрын
What deserves the most respect is you doing this test in your kit. Cleaning it 100% takes hours and thats not considering the drying lol.
@jeannierhodes5182 Жыл бұрын
I still love you guys.... Keep it going!
@brandon4383. 2 жыл бұрын
the reason why the DI guns were able to eject through the mud is because of the vent ports on the side of the bolt that expel gas before the bolt opens. it clears the mud out before it even ejects the casing
@Eastahtata 2 жыл бұрын
Some slow mo footage of that would be cool
@sniper12589 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eastahtata inrange has that covered. they have some great slowmo of thier mud tests and it is clearly seen on the ar15 platform tests the venting gas and cycling of the bolt is timed just right to expell the mud away as it cycles the next round and picks up and chambers the next round b4 the mud has time to seap down into the open action.
Marusya Outdoors
Рет қаралды 145 МЛН
GunMagWarehouse
Рет қаралды 342 М.