This is my opinion also on Legacy games. I played two Legacy games. I played several "campaign" games. The only difference between the two concepts are that Legacy is permament and campaign isn't. There are zero gameplay difference between opening an enveloppe and adding a new sticker to add rules in the rulebook and reading an entry with new rules in a campaign book. There are also zero difference between adding a sticker on the board where a card on an enveloppe tells you to to place a new feature and adding a token on the board during game setup where a campaign book tells you to. There is also zero gameplay difference between ripping a card and throwing it in the trash and taking a card and returning it to the box for all further games in the campaign. The difference is not in the gameplay, but in "feel". Writting on the board or card gives a higher feeling of ownership of something. I'd rather have my game replayable than to give me a feeling of ownership over a card... In fact, Legacy can have a significant problem in my experience that is not present in campaign games. In campaign games, the host can read the new rules and prelude to the next game before playing. He'll be able to teach said new rules before the game. In Legacy games, everyone learns the new rules at the same time, and many times people were confused in my experience. Reading rules aloud from a book is one of the worst ways to learn a game. Having someone digest and understand the rules before hand and explaining them is the way to go.

@@martinlarouche4418 Yeah it's hard to play legacy game without making rules mistakes here and there. So I think legacy games should be more relaxed and fluffy instead of trying to be strategic and deep.

That’s not a legacy game, that’s a campaign game, and existed before you were born. It’s like you’re saying the problem with tile laying is that it isn’t deck building. You’re asking for a campaign.

@@Trevin_Taylor Mechanically, there are zero differences between campaigns and Legacy games. Evrrything present in any Legacy game can be made non-permanent and turned into a campaign game with no mechanical changes... just component changes. His comment was therefore very valid. There are several mechanical differences between a tile laying and a deckbuilding game. They are mechanically different. At their core, Legacy games are simply a subset of campaign games that are playable only once due to the one use nature of their components.

Martin Larouche your last paragraph invalidates the previous. Explaining how they’re different doesn’t make them the same. You aren’t making the points you think you’re making.

Cartographers was nominated for KdJ not SdJ.

Zombies

hi, how do you feel about only being able to play through the legacy scenario series only once?

German companies are not that interested in making solo modes, as it traditionally has not been a big market for them. They either don't have someone on their team who can develop them, or don't think it is worth the money to outsource.

Not really. There are stickers that go to first and last place, so you wouldn't have them the second time through.

Just use a permanent marker instead of a sticker.

The Dice Tower thanks 😊

Spiel has been playing it safe the last few years now

I'm not familiar with all these games, but certainly Spiel wrote that open letter to publishers making it clear that they evaluate the whole game - box, rules etc... for the purposes of their award. And that at least during the year they wrote that letter, there was a serious dearth of games whose rule books met their minimum criteria.

Except that the games are so short (20-30 mins) that a series of 3 games that comes in each envelope feels like a single game, so the length is just about right.

Agreed. Seems very boring

Because SdJ is not for heavy games, its for games families without a boardgaming background can enjoy. And it fits that category well and is - afaik - the only legacy game in this category so far.

It’s in a similar style to Barenpark, Cartographers or Patchwork, and these are all popular games. It’s a solid nomination IMO.

They love Dr.Knizia. Love.

@@jonwooden8354 All those games are more interesting than this game.

It shouldn't be that hard to accept the concept of a game that can only be played through once. The vast majority of games can be perpetually played. Why can't there be a minuscule amount that offer a new experience. I think it's something that every board gamer should experience at least once. It creates an atmosphere and bond between the people that you involve in the journey to complete one. Completing Pandemic Season 1 with three other people is an experience that I'm so glad that I was involved in. I'll never forget the culmination of those playthroughs and I'm satisfied with never playing it ever again. I had a great experience with Clank: Legacy as well. Such a unique experience that I'm satisfied with and also perfectly fine with never revisiting again. It's not a direct comparison but it's kind of like asking why someone would watch a movie at the cinema for an inflated price for a single viewing when they could wait for it to be released on DVD and allow them to rewatch it forever. It's simply a different experience, a different context. FYI, I haven't been to a movie theater since 2003 and I don't think I'll do so again. I do understand why many still go to those however.

@@synnical77 I'm pretty sure Chris was just offering his opinion, not saying other people shouldn't play them. It's a big hurdle to get over and I'm not sure I'd ever do it either. The whole appeal of games to me in general is repetition and improvement.

@@synnical77 Kind of garbage to say that everyone should try legacy games at least once. There's an infinite amount of things in life that someone is going to say you should try at least once. Legacy games are wasteful with no resale value. I prefer things to be preserved.

I can see the argument for playing a grand, epic legacy game (although it doesn’t particularly appeal to me). I can’t see the appeal of trying to make a legacy experience out of a small, generic puzzle game - if I ever decide to go for a legacy game, it definitely won’t be this one.

The only game I'll buy, that I can play only once, is a detective game.

The single game, yes. The campaign only if people use placeholders instead of some specific game material. Some of the stickers can be drawn instead, some of the stickers shared upfront. *spoiler* but at some point people get differently shaped tiles based on their score, this can be handled by a placeholder, if people are willing.

This Game is Broken (specifically Dave) has been running a remote version using P&P pieces. It’s been good fun.

Oh, and we need to have stickers...and polyominoes...because there aren't dozens of games that have them already...

Learning the game in 24 plays or introducing 24 modules in each game is different...i can't wait for you to get the award with your groundbreaking concept. Pls kickstart your idea and get it publish. We shall see how it goes.

I highly doubt there's a story, except some sort of whitewashed colonizing narrative. "Manifest Your Destiny," I mean no one at Kosmos thought to change that? And the title is basically a placeholder for an idea, like a working title that somehow got published.