This… is a bucket.

It contains every mans dieing wish

@@Glovedart It also contains... a bucket!

Joker: "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY!" 😂

Spy: 🤨

Yeah, I heard of that one before. But he was right, whenever someone wants an open relationship it either means they are cheating or thinking about cheating. The wife realized her mistake and took it back. In the end, the husband said yes but it was clear he didn't want to, it was a test or something. Instead of the wife being faithful and changing her mind she went with the guy she liked. It was fine, it wasn't as good as she thought it was going to be. Anyway, when she told her husband he just ignored her. She felt bad and decided to end things with her AP but he refused to leave her alone unless they did it again. Instead of saying no she still went for it. It was terrible and the AP hated it. The wife tried to get back with her husband but it was too late. He divorced her. She was sad and regretted ever wanting an open marriage. All because she listened to this fake blogger who said that an open marriage can improve a relationship. After all, if you and your partner do love each other you can make it past this. No, people who love each other don't need to see other people because they only need each other. You see, this is what happens when you let Lust overpower Love. Cheaters who still "love" their partner always say this "It was just sex, okay? It didn't mean anything. I don't love them. But what we have is love, real love. It wasn't cheating because I don't love them, I love you." like that makes it okay, well it's not. Listen it's okay to crush on someone else even though you are in a relationship with someone you do love but in the end, Love will overpower Lust. It happened to this man who was happily married and had a family but there was this hot coworker that he had a lot in common. All signs said he should be with her but in the end, he followed his heart and not his genitals. He went with his wife and their relationship was stronger than ever because he chose her instead of his coworker.

I heard one like that, but when she said "there's no one" he figured out there are multiples.

Ah I remember that one. It was the dude who tested his wife's loyalty and faithfulness. She failed obv. She demoted herself from wife to a sidepiece for casual sex whenever the ex husband wants to. The ex husband said "You can't force someone to be faithful, you either are or you aren't, and you obviously are not a monogamous person". That destroyed the wife.

jayden , that guys name right?

I see I am not the only one binging on these stories 😅

Being that she had a pattern, she may have been expelled from the APA.

Thas nice. Hope he dna test those kids

DNA testing should be mandatory before a father's name is put on a birth certificate.

​@@chessieray1465fingers crossed

Ah so he is a simp

Women are vile, duplicitous and vindictive things.

Rather to go to jail. Thearpists can be as influential (or even more) on our lives than doctors. The law should be especially hard on them

ikr she literally ruined this couple's relationship by filling the bride to be head with false bs that would make any normal sensible man dump/leave them. Sleep with other men in an open relationship after marriage to have a high body count to keep the love strong and alive??? What kind of fked up logic is this shet??? Who the fk taught this dumb licensed woman to say and think that such a thing will keep any couple together? And the friends who are part of an open marriage are equally stupid if they stay with their partners while miserable. Nobody would ever stay with someone with a dread and heartbreak of thinking and seeing their partner for life sleeping with another person that isnt them everyday. And to encourage this is just worst. I get that she's hurt by the miscarriage but she could have talked it out with op from the start and not hold this in. Many women suffer and breakdown because of they want to be mothers and have a child/start a family, (I had a breakdown on my 1st miscarriage) that is 1 thing I do blame her for. I also blame her for listening to this woman without checking reviews and feedback. It doesnt matter if that person is a doctor, therapist, social worker, lawyer, always do a review search on someone to know exactly if this person is worth listening to or paying for, this doesnt just extend to people, establishment as well. So I clap my hands to op for handling the situation well, taking down that batcrap crazy therapist, cutting out toxic people, and working with his partner in this. I also clap to his partner to realize how badly she messed up, getting the actual help, doing exactly whats needs to be done, and cutting out toxic individuals.

It was a pattern with the therapist... she had destroyed numerous other relationships before using the same tactics. It's why the clinic finally responded so quickly as OP had other patients with similar experiences dug up by his lawyer investigators & added their testimony to the report

It was likely a grift for the therapist because pushing this will end the relationship and keep her going back to therapy for years. Many therapists are passive aggressive like that.

Thank you for noticing that was the big issue instead of going down the mgtow pipeline.

​@@LadyBern What is there to notice This subject is a deal breaker it would have ended the same anyway And MGTOW is the natural result, not a pipeline Especially because of sh it like this

@@theghost4984 the updates made it very clear that communication was a very big issue with this couple. Had she told him about the stress at work, the mental breakdown, the miscarriage, OP would have helped her get through these issues, which in turn probably would have prevented the interference of the quack therapist and their suggestion of "let the bride fuck any man with a pulse."

​@@theghost4984 She didn't want bodies, she was surrounded by toxic people who wanted to ruin her relationship. Ion hate on MGTOW brothers for doing what they want, if you don't think finding a solid relationship is worth the effort, that's your decision. But that doesn't mean every situation is unfixable. She'd been hiding a lot of pain from him, and while that's definitely the wrong move, men especially should be able to sympathize with bottling up your mental health issues and dealing with them on your own.

@@LadyBern what does mgtow means ?

Most guys don't wanna babysit their SO, especially after marriage. Mebbe a different story for girls but yeah if you cant trust someone why stay with them.

Common Russian saying: "Tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you who you are"

@@astk5214 "Walk with the wise and become wise, for a companion of fools suffers harm." this you? Has nothing to do with what I said.

Keep in mind fellas this shit goes the same way for us, just because Kyle, Tyrone and Chad are fun to hang out with doesn't necessarily mean they're good influences on you, and don't think your friends don't influence you because that's straight cap 🧢

"betters"? i hope you stay single forever my gamer

@@edenromanov Exactly. We shouldn't just spot the flaws in others, whenever you point others for blame, 3 fingers point back.

She was convinced by the therapist that it is the only way for them to be together, for him not to get bored. She was in a very bad mental state and manipulated, presumably in a spawn of a year. She did not "care" because she was too broken at the time. We can see how much she was manipulated by the fact that he showed her recording and she got shocked, since she remembered it differently. If a professional doctor was telling her for a year that's the only way to not lose him and she isn't good enough I can understand why she did what she did, which was bad, but I can see why it happened.

@@rose516and now he has to live with the fact that she can be very easily manipulated in the future to cheat on him

You call having a stressful job, miscarriage and a year of manipulation by a specialist who you are supposed to open up completely and trust by definition as easily manipulated? Ok, bro@@AhmadAhmad-xv5cr

@@AhmadAhmad-xv5cr literally anyone can be manipulated... Its not really a curse when it happens to you. As long as you dont let it happen over and over again til your situation is irrepairable.

​@@thousandyardgavri2785Speak for yourself, no matter how stress I am, depressed I am, or whatever there's no one on this planet that can convince/ manipulate me to cheat on my partner...

Clinic evidently was an issue as well

The clinic who kept her employed after numerous earlier complaints are definitely going to be investigated as well... i mean firing her immediately is proof they had foreknowledge of how toxic and unethical her practice was. As soon as evidence existed then they tried to get her away from themselves... which makes them culpable because if they thought she was innocent or it was a spurious complaint then they wouldn't have fired her.

There never should be an okay for open marriage. I’ll also say that when trust is lost, it never gets back, no matter what they say and to tell someone you love them after cheating is so so my o wrong. If really loved that person, no cheating would have happened,

Unfortunately, it's so true.

this is why not a single therapist is trustworthy enough for me.

Therapy is such scam in the 1st place.

The shit life that therapist had to constantly ruin relationships. Either that or they just loved that sense of power.

Some do yeah but the projection part is false most often they tend to relate thou because well they were in similiar circumstances or already had cases like this

Which country is that?

​@@MsWill813What?

@@Jake23115 I mean in what country is it like that? Here if a woman cheats she is a terrible person and crazy slut, if a man cheats, "that's what they are like". Or did you mean when someone ASKS for an open relationship? I guess that would be considered even worse from a man (because traditionally they try to hide their affairs).

Imagine being close minded to think that only one way of life exists.

​@@abigailmckinney3588 cheater detected

​@@abigailmckinney3588Imagine not having any morals whatsoever

​@@abigailmckinney3588imagine being a parasite that'd want and support open relationships even though they are literally just an other way to try and justify cheating on the person they claim they love

My bet would be no. But then again, that's based on my bet that this therapist is the kind of person who has some kind of clothing or decoration in her home saying "smash the patriarchy" and regularly went to pussy hat rallies back when that used to be a thing.

Yes, all things being equal, that would actually be the case.

Probably not

Probably not. But then again, this therapist is very sketchy and she did this to other couples

maybe, one of the person wronged by this therapist was a girl, I assume that what OP means by that remark is that the therapist convinced a guy to ruin his relationship too, but I don't know if she did it the same way ...

The difference between you and op is that you have self respect. Op is the classic spineless simp charming white knight doormat. Even if she was brainwashed by the therapist, this shows she has no mind of her own and is easily influenced by anyone. So either way she is a living red flag

Easier said than done when it's someone you've loved for 9 years and she's obviously been brainwashed by a "therapist"

@@TheOneWhoSimpsthe second A man finds out his love is a whore, then It’s pretty easy, unless said man is a spineless cuck Like most “men” on Reddit

Plus she havent cheated. Shes just working through insecurities.

​@@thousandyardgavri2785 "I had the opportunity" this line here irks me the wrong way

Good News, they are together.

Jup, but OP should have helped with the lawsuit. He is a coward for not doing so. This Therapist ruins lives (as he clearly knows) but he does not help someone fighting that, even though two other people helped him to file a complaint letter. Extremely selfish.

Yeah, looking back on this video. I can’t help but think OP massively jump the gun here. Like, I get you don’t want an open marriage, but immediately breaking up over the suggestion is really dumb to me. That's something that you can definitely be mad over, but having a discussion about boundaries was a far more appropriate response. I also feel the OP failed as a partner, too. His fiance got feed bad advice from a professional. He then later found out this professional ruined other relationships as well. It like his fiance was scammed by a scam artist that's been around scamming people for years. Then he get mad she's been scammed by someone with years of experience and is still mad when he finds out how long they've been doing for. It doesn't feel fair to stay mad at her after normally. Not only that, he was the one blocking any form of communication. It's kind of hard to explain how you were scammed when his head was in the ground. Another thing that bothers me is how they have friends in open relationships. Like, did you not talk about this before? Why did OP react so negatively to the session? Supposedly, what was said in the session was really bad, but did it still warrant his reaction. Maybe his friends really were toxic, and he equated a large part of it to be their type of relationship. Overall, after digesting this video I can't help but think that the OP isn't very emotionally intelligent.

@@ViewOfdidn’t the lawyer himself say he didn’t have much of a case?

​​@@decobyjones9491 You can't blame a guy for wanting to walk away. Men with self respect would rather be single than get cucked. That's just common sense.

Well he got back with her so yeah, he is a cuck

If she's being truthful with OP about the miscarriage and breakdown, I can understand that she was manipulated by someone she is implicitly supposed to trust. There ate very few times I would give second chances to someone that fucks up this big, but mitigating circumstances exist. He even says once she was free from the shrink she was back to her old self. I would be cautiously optimistic for them

@@AnemoneEnemy Anyone so easily convinced to cheat isn't worth the time to give a second chance to. No one forced her into cheating. And sure, she went back to her old self after she was caught. As most cheaters do - until they decide to cheat again. Guy deserves better than to have it be a constant worry in the back of his mind that some other 'trusted person' might wander along and talk her into cheating again

​@@AnemoneEnemyif she's willing to cheat on him once she'll do it again

People can be manipulated, especially when vulnerable, stressed, or by someone they trust. And she had all 3. It was a low point, and she did everything correct to get things right. She never gave up, and it's a win in my book

​@@silentserpent6026she never did cheat tho

Finally someone speaking facts

Share it bro I gotta see this doormats failure

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I love this comment. I'm going to use that from now on

nice

Didn't expect to find this gem in a reddit video comment section

​@@KilroyWasHere83me too

No, you are ignoring some key factors. Stress is just 1 things she had on the plate. She had a miscarriage, marriage, and a licensed therapist who she got to help deal with her work stress telling her that her man will cheat, and a friend who has a husband similar to hers and he forced an open relationship and now that friend is saying the man is acting like hers. She was manipulated my guy if you cant accept that people can be led astray then i hope you meet a perfect human being who will never have any problems.

He's a redditor bro

@@PodreyJenkin138 shit i wrote so much im not even interested in reading my own comment

@@experiencedotaku171 it happens 😂 I've done it before

I don't think she should be in relationship at all... She needs some time to sort herself out... The things she said she do to get back with him are pretty sick too... So she definitely needs get her s together. Its evident that parents rised her to be obedient and thats exactly what messed her up. This guy isn't good material for partner either

@@morganablackwater2017 I’m not unhappy that they stayed together in the end, because supporting your loved one through struggles like mental health is part of a real relationship. It sounds like they worked everything out well and she knows what she needs to do to get better, and I admire him for supporting her through that. Sounds like there are some issues. A lot of mixed feelings on this one. At the end of the day, she knows she’s sick and she needs to work through a lot of issues and the guy loves her enough to support her through it.

​@@morganablackwater2017 saying that OP isn't a good guy when he basically got blindsided and gaslighted by his family to accept her back is some nasty work. But then again a lot of women like yourself love doing nasty work.

I think you Missunderstand something its not just because a "figure of authority" said something humans tend to believe those that they trust more so (like the therapist) but the reason it worked on such a level is because she was mentally totally broken she lost her child thought the man she lpved would leave her and was undet stress permanently honestly its wpuldnt be a suprise if she had suicide thoughts because thats what tends to happen when humans are at such a low point thats why i think its disgusting to just say she did it because some authority said it or that she is easily swayed because literally none of the actions we know she did were when she was of solid minds accept...ah yes the apologies the explaining the trying to be better you know all the decent human things

So you don't feel bad for the guy at all

That's not how that works. You don't get manipulated into cheating on your spouse. This was in her heart and she was just confirmed by a bad therapist.

​@@malachigrindle7063 That literally IS how that works. You can clearly see from the story that she's not the type of a girl who'd even want/need/enjoy that, the fact that she has a lower body count is evidence enough. Plus, did you even pay attention to any of the other factors? We all have darkness in our hearts, it only matters what we choose. As Jordan Peterson said, there are no 100% good and pure people, those who believe they could never commit a crime or resort to "a sin", just don't know they have the capacity for it yet.

​@@malachigrindle7063 Lmao, talk about narrowing your viewpoint. I dont think you understand how authority you TRUST can affect your decision making. Many people inherently trust their therapist because why would they have the job if theyre not trusted? Unfortunately bad actors tend to euin those things like this therapist did.

She had a couple for 3s-ome in her option so...

I'm not justifying the girl here but it was actually the therapist's idea not hers... in her mind it would "Balanced" them out

Another reason why you never ever ask women for relationship advice. They're the worst especially to other women

@@williamrubin4912 I would disagree, both men and women can be good/bad with their advice. Though, if I were to ask advice about relationships myself, I would go to the longest lasting relationship/partners I know of and ask them, not someone who is perpetually single.

@@williamrubin4912As a woman, I agree.

If she was being truthful of the miscarriage and breakdown, then she was manipulated by someone she is supposed to trust implicitly. And it sounds like she wasn't super into it as for what the lawyer pointed out. I believe there are times when someone cheats that they absolutely realize they messed up and would do anything to take it back. But by then, it's too late. At least she realized all this before actually cheating and will be grateful for the second chance Sometimes it takes losing it all to realize what you had, I hope the best for them

Yes and it went for a whole year and people mention this so little in this comments but I would also feel weird if my partner had 26 previous ¨experiences¨ and I think it is weird that he mentions it only one time like it was no big deal, when he said he had ´´more previous experiences´´ I thought he had 12 13 or 14 which would already sound like weird but 26 would just sounds like he have a ´´a sleeping around problem´´ or was bad at keeping relationships.

A frind of my who is a therapist has thus saying. Going to therapy is a must in this days, checking the background of the therapist you are attending is an even bigger must.

@@rodrigoernestosolaresmatie1909 Some people had about as many sexual partners as sexual experiences while young. Though the guy with 70 is far to much.

@@Olimar92 Yeah I don't know if he meant 26 different partners but I wrote my comment thinking that he meant 26 different partners.

@@rodrigoernestosolaresmatie1909 No you are right, when you put a number to your count in se*x it mainly means the amount of people you had in bed. So OP may as well had 26 different people in his life. Just know that this could all just be one-night hook ups and had nothing to do with him looking for that forever partner. Like I seen people like that in college and have very normal lives with happy families or bf/gfs now. OP of the reddit post might have had a wild life in his younger days but that does not have to mean he is a monster, its mainly how people of these years see se*x in a different view than just for one person.(Just know I dont support that life style, I am a one person type of guy but just dont judge people thinking you cant trust them if they have a high count. If its not under the 30s tho, avoid at all cost if in the 40s to 100s.)

Yep then he took her back 😂 what a 🤡

@whitneymcclendon16 yea, that's a 🤡 move for sure. Guys need to learn women are no prize. Stop putting them on pedestals. Especially in today's world. Everyone wants to be on OF, be a boss bi*ch, and acting like they don't have delusional standards. Sorry not sorry. I don't trust anything that bleeds for a week and doesn't die

Because you know them personally? Or you’re her? 😂

​@@Princetonian4evait's called pattern recognition, you should try it sometime :)

I think you misunderstood the story. The therapist was the one guiding the woman into it. It seemed like that therapist was a really bad person and was abusing her power and influence. Which is even worse and should definitely have her credentials revoked.

Bruh. The therapist caught her post-mental breakdown and groomed her into thinking that an open relationship was the ONLY way her fiancee would be satisfied with her, sexually. She purposely ignored all of the woman's actual issues, and wrapped her in a safety blanket of lies.

agreed with the comment above let me make it clear GF is only human she was in an extremely vulberable state and Depression is a bit** but okay let me spell it out for you if you just lost your baby have permanent stress on you fear that your loved one will leave you and then go to a Person who you are suppose to be able to trust you would (no matter what you say) also easily be manipulated because this is how humans work we tend to follow what people we trust say especially if we are mentally so broken and See no other way out

@@demonbye19 So she's a sheep that can't think for herself... Even more reason why you shouldn’t get back with a person like that. I've met people who've been in similar, if not worse situations, but thinking of betraying their partner because someone told them to… Wouldn’t even register as a thought for them.

@@HeliosX28 okay fair but it also didn't come into her head for a long time? Your comment doesn't make sense because she didn't cheat and the thought came only after she was talked into it for a long time that doesnt make her easy to manipulate otherwise she wouldn't have gone against it for a while and even then your comparisons dont hold a candle since they probably didn't have a Person they were suppose to trust tell them they should talk about letting open the relationship one sidedly all the time that plus not all people are similiar and we know as in there is actual evidence proof and a logical conclusion that humans tend to believe people they trust more as well as getting more easily influenced so it makes sense that if she is vulnerable that she would be more open to Manipulation

@@demonbye19 It does make sense, she’s a sheep that can apparently be easily manipulated… “the thought came only after she was talked into it for a long time that doesnt make her easy to manipulate otherwise she wouldn't have gone against it for a while” That’s the point, from the first time she was told about the therapist told her she should cheat on OP she listened to it instead of instantly saying I’m not going to cheat on my partner… “even then your comparisons dont hold a candle since they probably didn't have a Person they were suppose to trust tell them they should talk about letting open the relationship one sidedly” Wrong, I served and let me tell you this stuff that she went through is nothing in comparison to the stuff my brothers and sisters went through… Which is why I said I’ve met people who have been in worse situations and they still didn’t cheat and trust me when I said they could have easily if they wanted to. “there is actual evidence proof and a logical conclusion that humans tend to believe people they trust more as well as getting more easily influenced so it makes sense that if she is vulnerable that she would be more open to Manipulation” I have an inner circle that I have no problem saying that I trust with my life in a heartbeat, but if they were to say something that would go against my morals, you best believe I’m questioning it and/or getting a 3rd opinion and they are the same way... So that just tells me she’s easily influenced and this can happen again down the line.

Me too man, she seems like a nice girl who’s easily influenced and she also acted in self preservation might’ve been wrong but she did her best

​@@pekaboo2017 Yeah, and seemed really regretful about it. Judging by the story, she doesn't seem like someone who'd actually want/need/enjoy an open relationship by herself, but just someone who had it rough and was literally brainwashed. Apparently this was years ago and there was another update, saying they worked out and got married after all.

Yeah, im glad they worked it out.

If she can be influenced this easily by someone who isn't the husband, irs gonna happen again. Wait 5 to 10 years and it's gonna be a "cheating wife" reddit story.

@@dankmemes8619 who knows we all make mistakes and grow as people maybe she’ll learn from her mistakes.

This comment hit so hard that I gotta copy and paste this shit into my notes just in case I need it for the future.

@@segmenteddig6822 I'm here to tell it like it is. Thanks for the kind words buddy

Yeah I took a screenshot as a reminder to myself as well haha

@@melaniemikkelsen8565 hey I'm just the Messenger

Yea, but in order to consider it a "cheating opportunity" there must have been an interest from her part to get close to the gray boundary crossing part. Like lets say you're in a bar and someone starts talking to you. Any normal person would've let know (subtle or straightforward) in the beginning of the conversation that they are only interested in a conversation. So the opportunity won't come. But you can also keep the relationship status hidden on purpose and let it escalate to flirting. That's where it becomes an opportunity.

@@Nathan_Bookwurm cheating happens when both parties are or have am interest, but the opportunity doesn't require both to want it. I'll give you an example. 3 men who are married go to a Cafe after work for a quick bite before heading home. 3 women who are there and find them attractive approaches them and offers sex. Two questions. 1,did the women offer the opportunity to the 3 men? And 2, did the 3 men go to the Cafe to find women? Answer thoe questions and you will see that you don't have to want it to get am opportunity to have it

But considering something as an opportunity is what shows how someone processes a situation. If I have a knife in my hand, and take that as an opportunity to chop onions, im a completely different person from someone that'd take it as an opportunity to stab someone. Even if they don't act on it, what way they perceive it, says things about them.

With consent*

@astk5214 That goes without saying

No, women want to be happy. don't give a s*** if the guy is or not

When their own relationships and marriages come crashing down before their eyes. Its a lot like communism, it gives the illusion of working until the cracks become impossible to ignore and everything collapses spectacularly.

Because it actually works far more than monogamous relationships do. Lower divorce rate, higher happiness, more trust, more honesty... Yeah, I will stick with how humans were meant to be and not the modern idea of monogamy.

women want this way more than men do

no. due to having a spine he left and didnt tolerate her wanting to slut around.

​@@FractalPrism.He took back someone that wanted to sleep around... Yeah his spine must be made of jelly

This dude is a simp, there's no denying that fact.😑

@@ashleyyoung796 Preach

He's a redditor

Good news...

It’s old and everything has been fine according to recent updates. Was it hurt or that redpill that made you so bitter? 😂

@@Princetonian4eva Yeah he's bitter because he's not a fool 😂

​@@Princetonian4evayou listened to all of that and you still think she won't cheat?

Bruh >> you do understand how she was manipulated because she was under alot of pressure from someone she is suppose to believe knows how to help her ? You are the kinda guy to say that someone will always be a baby because they cried when someone stabbed them

@@demonbye19 I look forward to you being in this situation due to being naive and gullible. You're the kinda guy who would never believe someone would ever get stabbed so never come to the rescue or even protect yourself against it happening, then have compassion for the attacker when it does happen. Guess which person is going to live long and prosper and which one will be abused repeatedly. Guess which category you fall into

@@Syrin23 iam the kinda Person who can feel empathy and had my own mental health struggles but you know what i dont wish you to be in the Position of being mentaly dead and just wanting anyway out i hope you never have to lose your children and i hope that you learn to show a bit of compasion i never said it would be wrong to not take her back but its dirty to think that just because she was at a mental weak point she would automatically divorce him and be always as guilabe well let me inform you you have forgotten three things: empathy/humans can change / someone doing something at a low point doesnt mean they will so it if they are fine Also it was never proven that she cheated Also its not like i am saying he should taket her back even if he didn't want to you nutjob i said that she was mentally weak due to extreme circumstances and this doesn't mean she is always guilable or easy to manipulate

@@Syrin23 i only hope you will mever be in this Kind of Situation where someone takes adventage of your broken mental state a state where you just want a way to end it's only human after all but let me make a thing clear i nevet said op had to take her back or that his feelings were unfounded but you well you just ignored all the factors that played into her Situation and said she is Bad thats why all i can say is that i find it disgusting Also i am one to help i am learning to be a psychologist / i am voluterring /i donatef all my Organs upon my death you again just thought you would know it all

@@demonbye19 That's all fine, and it sounds like you have set your life on a good course. I am happy for you. Sincerely. The problem is, broken mental state or not, ACTIONS are all that matters, so even if the source of the action could be logically explained, the action alone cannot be overlooked or even forgiven. If someone comes from a broken home, lived on the streets, and was on crack, I would still never forgive that person for killing one of my kids. There are a lot of broken people who come from very dark places who don't make bad decisions or do bad things. The professional sports world is full of such examples. It still is a matter of choice.

You misunderstand the unworthy part. She didn't think he was unworthy of hearing her out, she thought *she* was unworthy because she failed to provide things OP wanted and gaslit herself into a dark corner.

@@BoloJolo again communication would've solved this easily. Its an uncomfortable topic but as adults we need to have sometimes uncomfortable discussions. Otherwise they'll still act like children and never fully resolve it

WTF is wrong with people like you, it is clear this poor women was under severe stress, had amental breakdown, and people around her telling her to have an open marriage. SHE was tricked when she was at her most weakest.

No, not at all, that is generally the agreed upon consensus for cheating and relationships. But the fact that she even entertained the ideas and in OP's own words got herself opportunities to cheat would be grounds enough for a termination; and the fact that he was lovebombed back into the relationship is nothing short of manipulative both from the parents, friends and the fiancée herself.

@@794307 a relationship is two people, she kept her mental health and the miscarriage from her other half. She then sought opportunity outside the relationship. I am sorry, but there is no world where that kind of behaviour is acceptable in a relationship. If you are willing to disregard your other half in that way, you are unworthy of them.

@@794307 Doesn't matter if she was in severe stress, she should have backed off instead of entertaining such ideas, she got to a level where she had the courage to ask him for an open relationship openly wtf. I agree with the dudde "if all it took for her to consider sleeping with other men was a few external sources, i wouldn't be surprised to learn that down the line this relationship is on the rocks again"

​@@794307classic simp charming response . She is trash, she is easily influenced by anyone has no mind of her own. Do I continue? Or.thats enough reasons for any man with self respect to kick her to the curb.