MY FIRST TIME VISITING THE DOCTOR IN GERMANY (NOT WHAT I WAS EXPECTING)

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TreyDaze

TreyDaze

2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Keitel (Stuttgart Area ENT)
www.keitel.de/
Hey guys! Long time no see! Thanks for watching a not so exciting, but useful video! Going to the doctor can be a pretty scary experience for some and that is amplified when you live in a foreign country! With that being said, I hope this video provides some clear information regarding my personal experience visiting a doctor for the first time in Germany! It is VERY different from visiting physicians and specialists in the US! But we all need to maintain our health and seek treatment at times, so it’s best to feel comfortable and secure when doing so! I hope this video helps! Thanks again!
P.S The medication ended up costing me €57. That same medication is well over $250 in the US.
- Trey

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@hape3862
@hape3862 2 жыл бұрын
Pharmacies in Germany can only be run by a full blown Pharmacist with a University degree. And they and their staff are required to explain every medicine you get from them and to make sure they don't interact with each other. So, as Covid is still a thing, queues are still building up. And due to personal distance rules these queues may build up even to the outside. Before Covid there weren't so many people queuing.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Aaahhh! That makes a lot more sense! Thanks for your thorough explanation!
@m.h.6470
@m.h.6470 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, becoming a Pharmacists is pretty much as difficult as becoming a doctor. You have to know every ingredient, what they are used for, what cross reactions with other ingredients exists and so on. It is heavy stuff! They are also fully capable of creating medicine from scratch, if necessary.
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 2 жыл бұрын
I trust the pharmacists more than my doctor. If i get a recipe with some Latin names on it i go to my pharmacist and ask him/her if there are any side effects in the combination of medicine products i do not know about. I always get a second opinion. I also always get a second opinion on everything major from another doctor.
@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl
@teardrop-in-a-fishbowl 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze And note, the ladies at the entrance are often nurses and only nurses do these procedures (also getting blood out of your veins).
@annedunne4526
@annedunne4526 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. It's the same in Ireland.
@currentlyabsinth
@currentlyabsinth 2 жыл бұрын
The „secretaries“ in the entrance area of any practicioner in Germany are actually MTA‘s (literally like medical technical assistents) so they had a 3 year training to do the work with patients.
@gerdahessel2268
@gerdahessel2268 2 жыл бұрын
They are "Arzthelferinnen", MTA's do the bloodwork in laboratories. I'm an MTA ;-)
@currentlyabsinth
@currentlyabsinth 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerdahessel2268 Sorry, ich hatte die MFA‘s vergessen.. Als MTA kann man aber an mehr Stellen eingesetzt werden, als nur für „bloodwork in laboratories“ ;-)
@gerdahessel2268
@gerdahessel2268 2 жыл бұрын
@@currentlyabsinth Klar! Man lernt Mikrobiologie (inklusive Virologie), Histologie (inklusive Elektronenmikroskopie), Hämatologie und klinische Chemie. Die meisten Menschen können sich unter "bloodwork" im Labor halt was vorstellen.
@currentlyabsinth
@currentlyabsinth 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerdahessel2268 Da hast du natürlich Recht! Schönes Wochenende wünsche ich dir noch =)
@gerdahessel2268
@gerdahessel2268 2 жыл бұрын
@@currentlyabsinth Danke gleichfalls :-)
@annedunne4526
@annedunne4526 2 жыл бұрын
You said the USA has " some of the highest costs for medicines", no it has THE highest costs. Healthcare in the States seems to be all about making money for the already rich off the backs of everyone else.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
You’re 100% correct!!!
@leonbrooks2107
@leonbrooks2107 Жыл бұрын
The true cost is actually higher than most Americans realise as American tax dollars are often used in the development of crucial new drugs. As a result Americans actually pay the most both sides of the drug industry.
@wizardsghost876
@wizardsghost876 Жыл бұрын
Surprisingly the Healthcare Business in Germany is as well about making monea, and the insurance Compnies, Pharmaceutical Compnies, well the whole Complex makes lot of money.
@Markus-zb5zd
@Markus-zb5zd Жыл бұрын
@@wizardsghost876 yeah but it's quite strictly regulated in germany compared to the US
@jblev736
@jblev736 Жыл бұрын
There is no "seems to be". It is literally a for profit system. It is gross. But in America the prisons are for profit, so then laws to put people in prison are for profit. Nutrition regulation is "for profit" School systems are terrible and are funded by property taxes (so wealthy areas have better schools) Science and math are not utilized in decision making They still argue climate change is not real ...smh There is no regulation on the sociopathic greed. Much of america is in complete poverty, but they don't even realize it. That's how good the media is at convincing them otherwise. We are talking no access to clean water, shelter, healthcare, protection/safety, etc. There is also no path to escape that poverty. The govt doesn't want to educate people because educated voters would easily be able to see the obvious problems and vote against them
@PianistStefanBoetel
@PianistStefanBoetel Жыл бұрын
After advertisements of medicine there is this mandatory disclaimer: "Zu Risiken und Nebenwirkungen lesen Sie die Packungsbeilage und fragen Sie Ihren Arzt oder Apotheker". "For risks and side effects read the package insert and ask your doctor and pharmacist". So pharmacists in Germany have an important role in interacting with the patients.
@L4nc34l0t
@L4nc34l0t Жыл бұрын
Basically to sum up your experience from what I heard in your video: USA has a health-*BUSINESS* Germany has health-*CARE* Also: those lines in front of pharmacies are only because of COVID restrictions (usually: wear masks, only 1 person per counter allowed inside... thus the lines outside)
@cjcarver6290
@cjcarver6290 Жыл бұрын
I'm a nurse in the US and agree with you 100%
@slate613
@slate613 Жыл бұрын
I actually think the US has a Pain Management System. Healthy people spend less on healthcare.
@cekuhnen
@cekuhnen Жыл бұрын
In each country healthcare is a business - but there is more to it why America is so exorbitant espene since. I paid 85$ to talk to a doctor in America in a hospital and I got a complete colonoscopy for 400 Euro at a private doctor. I so agree USA is health-business and Germany is health-CARE Give birth to a kid to see the price and service differences - after brith in America they dont care about you anymore. Pay and leave …
@Herzschreiber
@Herzschreiber 2 жыл бұрын
About the pharmacies: If you have a favorite one which you will mostly always visit, ask them if they would set up a "Customer's File" for you. Not all but lots of pharmacies do so. It means, that they can easily see what your most prescribed medicine is, so they will keep it in stock for your next prescription. And in case the don't have something you need, they will offer you to either come back the next day or to deliver it to your house (in case you don't live on the other side of the city, too far away). There may be more benefits, but they differ from pharmacy to pharmacy.
@Muck006
@Muck006 Жыл бұрын
They will also give you a complete list of your expenses at the end of the year ... for your taxes ... so you dont have to bother with the individual receipts.
@alexanderlindner5808
@alexanderlindner5808 2 жыл бұрын
Here's my experience in France and Spain. Visit a doctor in Paris, 25€, in Barcelona 80€, Dentist in Barcelona 50 - 125€ (depending on the procedure). All these were private doctors with no insurance on my part. Package of a week's worth of insulin 6€ in Spain (same package, same manufacturer 300$ in the US). Pharmacies all over Europe are awesome. Lines outside a German pharmacy are not a normal occurrence, I guess it has more to do with Covid restrictions.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Those US insulin prices are borderline criminal!!! Thanks for sharing your experiences!
@RustyDust101
@RustyDust101 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze Sorry, they ARE criminal. Not just borderline. When you use a person's inability to refuse an offer or otherwise die to make as much money as possible from that person's inability to refuse, that is considered coercion in any country around the world. Even in the USA. Insulin being a pharmaceutical substance to treat a potentially life threatening situation, using a person's inability to refuse outrageous prices when there obviously are much cheaper versions out there, just because you can get away with asking for those prices: THAT IS criminal.
@gordonreinz9849
@gordonreinz9849 2 жыл бұрын
@@RustyDust101 ex-girlfriends sweet grandmother was diabetic, when she told me how much it costs (basically to stay alive just because of diabetes) my jaw hit the floor. It was on our trip to Florida. Nuts.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
@@gordonreinz9849 It’s all horrible really. In a perfect world, the prices would be considered crimes against humanity.
@rosab8026
@rosab8026 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze ...en cualquier mundo se considera un crimen, eso....
@RustyDust101
@RustyDust101 2 жыл бұрын
Please, for your family's sake, if you intend to stay here in Germany for any length of time, try to switch to a German Krankenkasse, a sickness fund, or health insurance. If you and your wife both are working as employees, then yes, you will both require insurance, but your kids can be included among either of your insurances for free until they are 25. There are only minute differences in the services provided by a public/ Gesetzliche Krankenkasse, no matter which of the many providers you choose. But even as contractors (I saw that in a comment below) German private healthcare / Private Krankenkasse is STILL probably going to come a lot cheaper than in the US. What is included? Basically everything medical is included, except these three or four things: 1. Dental: most tooth reconstruction like fillings or actual replacement is only partially covered, and can run a bit expensive, depending on your region and insurance company: 2. Optical/glasses/lenses: only the actual lenses of the glasses are covered, and then also only the cheapest options, and only the cheapest frames for glasses. All other upgrade options you will have to pay. 3. Hospital stays: you will have to pay 10€ per day of hospital stay to cover your food expenses (that was considered the average spending for a person in Germany if you were not in hospital). This is capped at 240€ per YEAR of hospital stays. Yes, for 365 days, if something like a coma should occur. 4. Pharmacy: co-pay of 5€ for non-brand, and 10€ for brand pharmaceuticals on prescription. Unless you DEMAND a certain medication from your doctor despite them telling you not to use that. In that case the doctor MAY, possibly, give you a prescription that is NOT covered by your insurance. But then, why the hell would you demand a medical drug over the strict counter-opinion of a specialist? Some medications, in rare cases, are still in the experimental phase, or have not yet been included in the list of accepted drugs of the insurance companies, as their efficacy has not been sufficiently proven yet (or they simply have not passed local German application rules yet, but are available from outside Germany). In those rare cases, yes, you might have to pay full price for them, out of pocket and not be covered by your insurance. But your doctor will have to tell you that before prescribing you such a drug. What is not covered? Non-essential and plastic surgery that is not recovering from injury. Ie any kind of beauty or anti-aging treatments. Those are NOT covered, and always have to be paid out-of-pocket. However, plastic surgery after any kind of injury IS covered to restore the original state (or as much as is possible). As an employee you will pay 7.2% of your gross income, your employer another 7.8% of your gross income. This is usually automatically deducted from your pay-check by your employer, so you don't have to worry about paying this. /edit: that you had to wait in line at a pharmacy, especially out the door, is astonishing to me. While yes, some pharmacies limit the number of customers to the amount of service stalls they have, due to covid measures still in place, an actual line forming outside a pharmacy is, well, a bit strange. Pro-tip: usually here in Germany pharmacies crop up in the immediate vicinity to at least one major practice, in your case an ENT doctor. These pharmacies often specialise in the drugs regularly prescribed by those doctors, so it is very common for them to have all those usual pharmaceuticals directly in storage. If not, then they can order them from a central depot, usually within a few hours, or at the latest, by the next day. Not all pharmacies stock up on all medications, but only on those 'their' doctors in the immediate vicinity tend to use. So if you got to see a specialist, have a look around on the street close to the practice if you can find a pharmacy there. I'd bet in more than 99% of the cases that will be the case. Their pharmacists are also more well versed in those pharmaceuticals and can often give you excellent advice for any supplemental treatment for your specific case. ALL pharmacists here require a FULL education of at least three years and quite a rigorous exam to become a pharmacist. So they are almost as good at telling you about effects of pharmaceuticals as doctors; in some cases possibly even better.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
This is great information! I’m gonna pin it if that’s okay with you!
@RustyDust101
@RustyDust101 Жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze Most definitely. I feel honored you consider this to be helpful.
@quintrat
@quintrat Жыл бұрын
Pharmacist is a 6 year university degree. Further specialisation takes another 3 years.
@vinniesaccount
@vinniesaccount 2 жыл бұрын
I don‘t know what horror stories you`ve heard about german doctors, but we are known for having the best doctors here. Dozens of wealthy people from literally everywhere are flight in for surgeries.
@Shadowform11
@Shadowform11 Жыл бұрын
As someone from Europe, this is the 1st time I heared about this. In fact, most rich germans go to Switzerland. Where did u hear that?
@toniderdon
@toniderdon Жыл бұрын
@@Shadowform11 Switzerland is a decent choice for some things. But for most surgeries you want to go to a german "Universitätsklinikum" like Charite in Berlin. They usually have the best doctors.
@laerramarie2620
@laerramarie2620 Жыл бұрын
@@Shadowform11 The only thing people go to Switzerland for is dying
@catadoxas
@catadoxas Жыл бұрын
@@Shadowform11 most of our doctors in switzerland are german^^ we just pay them more than germany
@freakysquirrel7218
@freakysquirrel7218 Жыл бұрын
I mean, there is one specific "doctor" that was bad, but lets rather not talk about them...
@monksuu
@monksuu 2 жыл бұрын
So, you're telling that it's surprising people are doing their jobs. To me as a Finn, I expect professionals doing their job properly. More I see people from the USA tell their experiences in Europe, more I'm feeling negative about visiting USA some day.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Believe me, coming from the US, receiving decent, affordable healthcare is a rarity.
@HladniSjeverniVjetar
@HladniSjeverniVjetar Жыл бұрын
Yea i come from Croatia....i share the sentiment but i do not even plan to visit America. Life in Europe is good enough i get 0 reason or urge to travel anywhere else. There are so many things to see and visit here already you could spend your life exploring it.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze Жыл бұрын
@@HladniSjeverniVjetar I am so excited to visit Croatia in the future! Beautiful country! Great people!
@aka99
@aka99 Жыл бұрын
Bura, well said and you are right.
@furzkram
@furzkram 2 жыл бұрын
It's the pharmacists job to make sure you aren't taking other medication that could interact with what you are getting now, either neutralising or emphasizing the effect, or even causing adverse effects.
@florete2310
@florete2310 Жыл бұрын
Yep, those ladies at the front counter went through a very thorough apprenticeship (we have the dual-apprenticeship model in the German speaking countries) for a very specific profession called "Arzthelfer / Arzthelferin" (~ "doctor's / medical assistant"). The apprenticeship includes, obviously, a huge portion of data-handling, like billing and the handling of insurance-related data, as well as the handling of doctor's reports and medicinal data. The other huge portion of the apprenticeship includes medicinal services - like carrying out venipunctures, injections, allergy tests, ELISA tests and so forth. It is, in its core, a health-care profession, rather than just a mere job as a desk clerk. It's profoundly more than that.
@kreativuntermdach7351
@kreativuntermdach7351 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, the good doctors have really nice/professional staff and if Front desk workers are rude and impatient the doctor is more of the same. Good rule of thumb to pre-select where you want to go.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice and very important information! Thanks for sharing!
@yvonnep.2586
@yvonnep.2586 Жыл бұрын
Wie sagt das Sprichwort so schön: " Der Fisch fängt am Kopf an zu stinken."
@motioninmind6015
@motioninmind6015 Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm an American and been living in Germany 26 years. Nice video, thanks for the objective view of things. You're right, Germans are generally a whole lot more friendly and engaging than the reputation they get through stupid war movie stereotypes. Btw, the "secretaries" at the doctor's office aren't secretaries, they're trained, certified medical assistants. I'm wondering what kind of insurance you have. If you have the standard insurance, you won't ever see any bills from the doctor or the insurance company.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze Жыл бұрын
Hey nice to meet you and thanks for your kind words! Where in the States are you from?
@motioninmind6015
@motioninmind6015 Жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze New York (I've had to get used to people's reactions here in Germany when I tell them I'm from NY: "Neeeew Yorrrrrk? Wow! Why do you live in boring Germany when you could be living in fabulous Neeeeew Yooooooork?")
@scofield321
@scofield321 Жыл бұрын
@@motioninmind6015 The reaction is normal. NY is not a 0815 Dorf, it‘s a worldwide known huge City ppl read, saw and heard about countless times in their life.
@dekai7992
@dekai7992 Жыл бұрын
@@scofield321 Reading "0815 Dorf" in an English sentence made my day!
@wiseonwords
@wiseonwords Жыл бұрын
@@motioninmind6015 - "fabulous Neeeeew Yoooooork"! That's hilarious! If they only knew! 😆
@jennyh4025
@jennyh4025 2 жыл бұрын
The ladies at the front desk are not secretaries working as nurses, but Arzthelferinnen (literally doctor’s assistants) doing the paperwork as well. And they are required by law to explain your medication to you. Since you usually go to the same pharmacy every time, they may start to recognize you and know your regular medication and possible side-effects of additional medication. If there are known side effects of medication you are prescribed with other medication, they will usually ask, if you take other medication.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know! Thanks for sharing!
@melocoton7
@melocoton7 2 жыл бұрын
we went on holidays to France a few years ago and my husband got really sick. We went to the public clinic and everyone was SO nice and SO efficient. He got checked over, got his treatment and the doctor was incredibly nice and funny. We were in and out in a couple of hours. Swiss insurance doesn't cover you directly so we had to pay upfront and charge it in once we were back home. But it cost way less than we expected considering all the stuff they did for him.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
That’s amazing! Glad to hear everything went smoothly for your family!
@_Yannex
@_Yannex Жыл бұрын
You've to keep in mind, a carpenter in Germany is really a carpenter. Well trained in 3 years to a professional. The same for any other jobs. Therefore you'll meet pretty often well educated employees in pharmacy's ☺️
@brianoconner7645
@brianoconner7645 Жыл бұрын
Probably 95% of the „secretaries“ or front desk ladies are actual nurses, trained for at least 3yrs and regularly retrained. They are the backbone of the healthcare system, like you said: tornadoing around, doing huge chunks of the work. Whereas in the US, GP’s front desk people are real secretaries doing only administration. 1/3 of the US health costs go into admin, highest number in any OECD country. Business 🤷🏽
@wandilismus8726
@wandilismus8726 Жыл бұрын
German effenciency : Our doctors nurses can do the administration stuff too, so you don't need a specialized Secretary
@lindasilver9397
@lindasilver9397 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. Working at a pharmacy myself I can tell you, we really want to make sure that patients know as much as possible about the medication they have to take. Looking forward for more videos of your experiences in Germany and Europe.
@sylviaheinemann3314
@sylviaheinemann3314 Жыл бұрын
That was a good experience you had with your doctor. As a German I must say, it is not always that way. Some doctors are good and caring, but some can also rush you.
@martinenotmartini9935
@martinenotmartini9935 Жыл бұрын
you said it before i could. generally, if it's 'standard' stuff you go in for, things are fairly easy and get resolved quickly. however, i've been trying for months now to get a diagnosis for something outside of the regualar ailments and so far, i've been referred from one doctor to the next, without ever getting anywhere. so it can be a little hit or miss.
@DwynTwo
@DwynTwo Жыл бұрын
Exactly. My mom almost died of a burst appendix because the doctor told her "It's just the flu" without even looking at her or listening to her. The same doctor practically yelled at her two months after her surgery when she came to him and told him she had a stomach ache. He told her she was "Wasting his time, she just has a stomach ache because she's stressed".
@lubilubi6649
@lubilubi6649 Жыл бұрын
exactly what i would say too and a friend of mine was sent home by the doc went to the hospital and they had to give hime a emergency surgery. thats kinds fucked
@Julia-lk8jn
@Julia-lk8jn Жыл бұрын
True. I had one or two really special cases, who pretty much interrupted me before I could get out three words, but then told me everything they had to say twice, tried to advertise some products which I'd have had to pay for privately, then rushed me out of the door. And then the nice PTAs in the pharmacy told me all I need to know about the medication he prescribed, _and_ that Dr. Useless described the absolute same medication for any skin problem he treated. In defense of German doctors: that guy was a rare exception.
@Julia-lk8jn
@Julia-lk8jn Жыл бұрын
@@DwynTwo That's horrible, I'm so sorry. I've heard some stories like that, and either men never ever talk about it when something like that happens to them, or some doctors really still have this "oh, a woman with an unprofitable complaint, it's probably just hysterics" mind set.
@nevannarence6542
@nevannarence6542 Жыл бұрын
when I was stationed in Germany in the mid-90s. it really changed my thought processes on the US medical system. in many ways it really coloured how I detested how the medical system is in the US. especially whenever i hear someone complaining about how many disabled Americans there are. a friend in Germany had a work-related accident. not only did she continue getting paid. her hospital was covered, including her rehabilitative care as she was in a rehabilitation centre for a while.
@junglecat_rant
@junglecat_rant Жыл бұрын
Well, that's due to laws and regulation that workers are insured in every workplace, with NO exceptions. It's mandatory. It covers the medical treatment, rehabilitation and even a pension, if you are so incapacitated that you can't work anymore. In your country the GQP party is against every regulation and a federal mandate that employers are responsible for the workforce. In your country every responsibility is framed as "socialism".
@nevannarence6542
@nevannarence6542 Жыл бұрын
@@junglecat_rant yes I realize. and it is what really pointed out how bad the medical system is in the US. it didn't help that i got hurt while in. i had the VA so i got my treatments but it really showed how bad others had it. yes the VA nearly killed me a few times and i didn't have a choice of going to civilian Drs as i was permanently disabled but at least i had health care. its actually why i got into politics in the first place because i feel that healthcare is a human right, not a privilege. and frankly, i find the US health care system disgusting in its greed and its holding of people hostage at the cost of their lives or their dignity. and that was driven in even further when i left the states again last year. because now i can still get medical care only from the civilian drs with the same cost as i got beforehand. in fact better because if i had a medical emergency then i had to fight between the VA health care system and the medicare system and have them both declare that it isn't covered because the other party would cover it. so neither did.
@sns4748
@sns4748 Жыл бұрын
Especially if its a work related accident those insurances pay everything possible - not just whats necessary from a medical point of view. This would even include cosmetic surgery
@i-klaus
@i-klaus 4 ай бұрын
"It's a waste of time to do something mediocre." This is a quote from Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone (born August 16, 1958 in Bay City) an American singer, actress, songwriter, author and designer. Greetings from the Black Forest!
@maltem8513
@maltem8513 2 жыл бұрын
12:00 - those secretaries ARE Nurses ;-) .. and not just with some few weeks of training, they need to have a degree (at least 3 years of appranticeship) to be allowed to do such things
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
They were doing so much! I feel like without them, the facility would sink! They’re amazing!
@MichaEl-rh1kv
@MichaEl-rh1kv 2 жыл бұрын
​@@TreyDaze They are either nurses or MFA (Medizinische Fachangestellte = medically skilled employees), which is currently a 3-years dual training (apprenticeship within a medical practice for 3-4 days per week and 1 to 2 days per week vocational college). Formerly they were also known as "Arztgehilfen" = physician assistants.
@maireweber
@maireweber 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze You hit the nail on the head about MTAs being the backbone of any practice! My stepdad has a nephrology/dialysis practice and totally panicked when his most experienced MTA had a health scare and would possibly be out for weeks or months. He had financial insurance, but trying to have someone do her work properly would take a lot of time. Luckily, she was back and healthy pretty soon or his business investments would have been in serious danger.
@RustyDust101
@RustyDust101 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze 100% correct. The MFAs or MTAs in practices may not be the full brains of the practice, but they are the heart and circulatory system, the nervous system, the bones, etc. The doctor's may believe they are in control, but heck, nope, without the rest of their staff, practices would be dead within a week. At the latest.
@mareenicola3710
@mareenicola3710 Жыл бұрын
The people at the front desks are called doctor assistants they not only do the paperwork but preform and assist with certain procedures. So they are not nurses but having said that the nursing role is also different in Germany
@ItsjustmeElisa
@ItsjustmeElisa 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you had a good experience! As a German I'm glad I never had to think about going to a doctor. In 39 years of life I've paid under 400 Euros in medical fees and 320 of that were basically for choosing a better type of root canal at the dentist instead of getting the free one, and this also includes 2 trips to the ER by ambulance overnight stay at the hospital and probably around 10 other ER incidents where I could go there myself, MRT and CTs scans...the works. xD Life is hard enough without having to worry about if you can afford to fix your medical problems or not or have to go into debt over it. Happy to hear your family got through covid ok!
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
My hospital bill for a gastrointestinal issues was $180,000 USD and I was there for a week.
@Anson_AKB
@Anson_AKB 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze i was in hospital twice last year for about the same as you, and had three surgeries, plus lots of tests, laboratory, several xrays, ct and mrt, and also choice of a few weeks of rehab or a month of household help. With public insurance, TOTAL cost was only 280€ (30 days, capped to 28 per year, at 10€ per day) for the hospital and that care afterwards, and 3×5=15€ for three prescriptions afterwards at home ...
@elchefe7701
@elchefe7701 2 жыл бұрын
Cost of Health Insurance in Germany: 14.6%+1.525%=16.125% from your income, for example with 4.500 Euro income per month: 725 Euro per month for health insurance / 8700 Euro per year / 339,300 Euro in 39 years. That amount could easily buy you a private residential building. (plus 400 Euros extra)
@AithlynC
@AithlynC 2 жыл бұрын
@@elchefe7701 Doesn't add up, unless the person makes 4,500€ from the day they are born. Insurance for kids in your household well beyond 18yo is essentially free on top of your own. And yea, you only have that hypothetical money to spend if you never break a bone, never get pregnant or get a girlfriend or wife pregnant ... So ... not sure what you're trying to do there.
@elchefe7701
@elchefe7701 2 жыл бұрын
@@AithlynC Hi AithlinC, thanks for your comment! Healthcare in Germany isn't 'free', and it's certainly not cheap either. I think we do agree that paying over 8000 Euros each year for your health ensurance (supposing an average income) is quite a lot of money. At least a lot more that 400 Euros in 39 years :-)
@donkeyhead68
@donkeyhead68 Жыл бұрын
I'm Portuguese. Spent 2 months in the USA (Charlottesville, VA). I prayed every day so that I didn't get sick. As an European, I've heard so may horror stories about US health care. Actually I talked to many people about it when I was there and everybody complained about how much they had to pay just for an appointment.
@pfalzgraf7527
@pfalzgraf7527 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Personally, my interactions with doctors in Germany are good. But there are better and worse folks … Don’t expect such a good experience all the time! But this experience was as it should be. The ladies at the front desk are educated as “MTA” that is “Medizinisch Technische Assistentin” or “Arzthelferin” which means they have a degree in something like nursing as well as the buerocratic stuff they have to do. Pharmacists in Germany actually have to tell you some of these things by law. Also: there is a fight against internet pharmacies here … and they really want to give you the additional value to have an argument against the internet competition.
@Gulitize
@Gulitize Жыл бұрын
yep pharmacies are also responsible to screen for conflicting medicine.
@stephaniepeters2590
@stephaniepeters2590 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos! I've been to the states many times and I wasn't completely surprised by some of your observations about the differences, but it's cool to see an outside view of the things we take for granted here. Good to hear you like living here!
@ExiledCarebear
@ExiledCarebear Жыл бұрын
Was watching another video and yours came up as a suggestion. This is a really good upload and story and I am glad you had such a positive experience. It’s been really interesting to hear about the German health system from the view of a patient and also to read the comments. Thanks dude.
@sorvahr8761
@sorvahr8761 2 жыл бұрын
i loved this video ^^ you seem so happy and enthusiastic about Germany :D hope you get well soon
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing country!!!
@Osahashi
@Osahashi Жыл бұрын
I am chronically ill and need many expensive medications and treatments, I am very grateful to be in Germany, because in the U.S. I would probably have died a long time ago. We sometimes forget how grateful we can be and how well we are doing compared to other countries. Even we often complain that it could be even better, and yet many are not doing well. Compared to other countries, that's funny somehow.
@flauschiger_keks
@flauschiger_keks Жыл бұрын
Multiple languages among doctors or pharmacies are quite common. The doctor I go to also speaks greek and the pharmacy staff is fluent in english and turkish. It‘s quite easy to get medical treatment if you don‘t speak german.
@stephanimeyers9570
@stephanimeyers9570 2 жыл бұрын
You're so positive. Love your plants as well.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words Stephani! And thanks for noticing the plants!
@robertseitner8640
@robertseitner8640 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Pennsylvania, and I had a similar experience at an ER and pharmacy in France. I was amazed at how well I was treated and how little they charged me. I enjoy watching your channel. Keep up the good work.
@erato_csgo
@erato_csgo 2 жыл бұрын
You have to get health insurrance in Germany, even if you just moved here. Also your bill should be 0 but depending on the "Krankenkasse" (eg. Barmer or TK) you use, you can lookup online what costs they covered for you.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Due to my personal ignorance, we have American insurance since my wife and I are contractors. But I’m glad that you mentioned switching over to German insurance because we take it on the chin month after month having American insurance.
@aw3s0me12
@aw3s0me12 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze Hi Buddy. Also from Stuttgart here ☝
@moonshot242
@moonshot242 2 жыл бұрын
Do what the guys here told ya, get your insurance it includes your family
@Anson_AKB
@Anson_AKB 2 жыл бұрын
there are only tiny differences between insurances IF you compare public among each other and private among each other. their services probably won't be much different also between private and public (and in public you can get options like single bed room in hospital {which i don't like anyway} also for not too much extra on a case by case basis), but do your research to which branch you want to go to, or have to go to, because private can be cheaper for younger people, but later for older people (or when husband and wife both having income over some income limits, etc) can be terribly more expensive, AND it most often is quite difficult (if possible at all) to switch from private to public later, eg when you see your costs surpassing those you would have had in that other branch. main difference that i saw until now is that my parents (private) had to pay most costs (except for hospital) first themselves and then may get money back, while i (public) simply show my card and barely ever have to pay anything myself, except for 10% (capped to min 5€ and max 10€) for each prescription medication from a pharmacy, and 10€ per day (capped to 28 days per year) for everything in a hospital. details may be a bit more complicated. thus get informed first, and then as fast as possible select your insurance.
@andreaseufinger4422
@andreaseufinger4422 2 жыл бұрын
​@@TreyDaze That means that you are considered as a "private" customer to the doctor and you will receive a notice with a price. Some doctors give the "private" customers a preferential treatment, as they can charge them higher compared to what they would charge to the public healthcare system. You still would get the same medication, but, depending on the doctor, you might wait some days more for an appointment.
@irishachtroudian2959
@irishachtroudian2959 Жыл бұрын
I am from Vaihingen and mein HNO ist Dr. Keitel. Great Doctor and great Team. I love your videos. Great to listen to someone who has another point of view on everything in my hometown 😊
@sdaniela2539
@sdaniela2539 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you had a great experience. It's reassuring, since we'll have to go to German doctors next month and had similar concerns about the process. Thanks for the video!!
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze Жыл бұрын
You’ll be in good hands! Best of luck!
@dirkschwartz1689
@dirkschwartz1689 Жыл бұрын
Happy to see that you had a good experience with our German health care system! It's not untypical, though. Of course friendliness and dedication may differ from place to place, but the quality of care is quite high generally. The difference in the speed of visits between the U.S. and Germany may in part be due to the way doctors are paid. The initial examination, the allergy test and the consultation are paid separately by the health insurance companies (it's a complex system though with clear time definitions regarding consults). If you have a German health insurance with the public system, you shouldn't get any bill at all. For what you describe regarding your visit to the doctor's office, I wouldn't have to pay a penny. If your insurance is a private one, on the other hand, you will get a bill that you have to pay up front, and then you can send it in to your insurance company and get it reimbursed. This is what the monthly health premium is used to pay for. Some American politicians call it socialist, we call it social market economy. There are additional co-pay costs for prescribed medication that typically vary from 0 to 10 € per medicine item depending on - well, several things. The rest of what the pharma company will be paid again comes from your health care insurance. Alternatives for a prescribed medication may be offered if the product is actually the same and contracts between your insurance company and pharma companies allow for it. By "shipping" the pharmacist probably meant to send by courier. Most pharmacies either employ or use the service of couriers in compact cars - you can see them whizzing around city centres with the pharmacies' logos and information on them. Staff in doctors' offices are vocational workers (either MTA's, as was mentioned in a comment below, or MFA's - Medizinische(r) Fachangestellte(r) = Medical Care Specialist) with a 3-year training. Staff in pharcamcies usually have a 4-year college degree in pharmacy (at least one has to be present by law iirc) and are obliged by law to make sure patients understand the effects and side effects of the drugs they sell.
@heha6984
@heha6984 2 жыл бұрын
Great you made so good experiences. I have the luxury of always choosing quite instinctively the very apt doctors for my patricular health issues, and being a German and despite of being a "Kassenpatient" I can only agree to you! I never get the feeling of being worse treated than private patients. Liebe Grüße!
@Kimberlygunn
@Kimberlygunn 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for posting this. I’m hoping to live in Germany and your content is helpful. The health care system here in US leaves much to be desired.
@lollorosso4675
@lollorosso4675 2 жыл бұрын
Great weather today in Munich. Tomorrow is going to be fine too. If you don’t know it yet, make sure to visit the Eisbachwelle (Munichs most famous surfing spot) and take a stroll to „Fräulein Grüneis“ and or the „Bayerische Eismanufaktur“. Lots of trees - take your meds beforehand. Best regards from Munich
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Ooohhh noooo!!! Not the trees lol! Thanks for getting me excited for Munich!
@sheilarogers3448
@sheilarogers3448 Жыл бұрын
Like shows like this it breaks the preconceptions. And informs the world
@fraeuleinsommer75
@fraeuleinsommer75 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Trey, i am really happy that you and your family are well agan! 🙂
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Danke schön! Excited to hit the ground running again! We’re headed to München this weekend!
@fraeuleinsommer75
@fraeuleinsommer75 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze Uuuh, nice! I grew up in munich and i absolutely loved it. You have to go see the surfer's, they're amazing! There is a river surf spot right by the american embassy in the city center. Doesn't cost anything to watch them and it's great fun usually. Also, i recommend you go to a typical Biergarten like Hirschgarten. Hope you'll have loads of fun!
@knotheadusc
@knotheadusc 2 жыл бұрын
I used to live in Stuttgart. Now I’m in Wiesbaden. Glad you were able to find help via Stuttgart Friends.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That group is an excellent source! My sister in law was born on base in Wiesbaden!
@topofdescent
@topofdescent Жыл бұрын
I used to have allergies (comparatively mild symptoms, though: itchy eyes, sneezing, sore throat) when I was a kid and got tested in the same way you were. Roughly 30 drops of different liquids were put on my skin and then the skin was punctured (absolutely not painful) right where those droplets were. After twenty minutes or so you could see where the skin has reacted indicating an allergy and where there was no reaction at all. That was very interesting to witness - mind you, I was about 10 or 12 years old. And that's 35 years ago. Turned out, it was birches and weeds in my case. During the next few winters I got a so-called "active immunisation" shot every two weeks so my immune system could get used to the exposure and be ready for the next pollen-season. Didn't really make much of a difference, but later in life at about 25 or so, the hayfever (as we call it) became less and less bothersome until it eventually disappeared completely. But that's all beside the point: Happy you had a positive experience that gave you peace of mind and a medical team that went to the bottom of your symptoms. May you be as lucky as I was to one day not having to worry about allergies anymore. Cheers, Daniel
@dhtran681
@dhtran681 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Germany. Glad to see more ppl from VAI and ... "Wünsche dir gute Besserung".
@Roxax3
@Roxax3 Жыл бұрын
Also a nice thing to know about pharamacies in Germany, if you take meds on a regular basis and get prescribed other meds because of an illness, you can ask at the pharmacie if your regular meds fit with the new ones or if this could leed to complications. I always ask them and if the meds don't fit, they will know an alternativ and give you that insted.
Жыл бұрын
That's my second Video I'm watching on your channel. First I heard you live in Stuttgart and now Vaihingen? That's so cool. I grew up just around the corner (Leinfelden).
@SideKickStudios
@SideKickStudios Жыл бұрын
You get similar service in most of Europe. In Estonia for example, we also have a digital healthcare system interconnecting all the doctors, specialists and all pharmacies, so when you get something prescribed by your doctor or your GP, you can walk into any random pharmacy or one of your preference (for example if you have a customer loyalty account with one and discounts that come with it) and then you can just hand your ID to the pharmacist, and they will check the "digital health history" system from their end, and give you your exact prescription and whatever small charge you need to pay, no long lines, no waiting and zero paperwork. And also, if a specific name brand isn't in stock, they will always recommend an alternative with exactly the same effects, often cheaper as well.
@deregorn1
@deregorn1 Жыл бұрын
The People at the front desk, are trained in medical staff. The Front desk is usually only a tiny part of their work. In more prominent Places, you may find a person only dedicated to the front desk that is only a typical office worker. But in general, all workers in a doctor's office are medical trained assistants.
@rainerm.8168
@rainerm.8168 Жыл бұрын
Love your positive attitude and vibes. Nevertheless your experience with that great ENT (HNO in German) seems rather anecdotal to me. I suppose the staff helped you with the form because they realized you had language problems. I always have to do that myself. And getting an immediate appointment and only 2 minutes waiting is quite extraordinary. I think you have private insurance..that is why. Anyway, thanks for your positive outlook on this country. Good to hear.
@Baccatube79
@Baccatube79 2 жыл бұрын
The "V" in "Vaihingen" is pronounced like the "F" in "fighting". Actually, "Vaihingen" is pronounced like "fighting in" just without the "t".
@FabiansTinyWorkshop
@FabiansTinyWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. As a german I can tell you there are as much nice people working at a doctor's office as there are complete jerks. Guess you encountered a nice doctors office :-) In addition, private payers are sometimes treated more courteously than patients with public health insurance and sometimes appointments can be made faster for private payers....."sometimes ;-)". I hope you're having a wonderfull time in Germany :-)
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot. And that’s unfortunate for those individuals with public health insurance. One can hope that’s not the case in every medical setting, but you’re right. It probably occurs often.
@ianetams2814
@ianetams2814 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍die Torwächter beißen auch...wenn man Pech hat.
@rhalleballe
@rhalleballe 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDazeThat's an old myth that people with private insurance get better treatment. In Germany, 88%(!) of all people have "public healthcare" and it is getting more and more. Because they are treated well.
@madrooky1398
@madrooky1398 2 жыл бұрын
So you are saying in doctors offices are working 50/50 jerks and nice people? A jerk would put it like that...😂
@mweskamppp
@mweskamppp Жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze I am on public health as 90% of the people, I cant complain. I asked a cardiologist for a date - 13 months. with home practicioners tranfer - 3 months. When the hp ticks "urgent" they will use an agency to make sure i have a date earlier than 2 weeks. When the hp thinks its life threatening it will be on the spot. I came home from a 17 hours flight with extra 5 hours driving and was short breathed. I thought because of change from 30C+ to 15C- but did not improve after some hours. Went to the practicioner, who did some test, sent me to a radiologist in the same house - nothing - to the cardiologist in the same house who called an ambulance. Less than one hour from entering the doctors office to entering the ER in the hospital. double deep leg thrombosis and triple pulmonary edema. Lucky to have survived. 2 weeks in hospital - no extra pay. Copay is no thing in germany, except for dentist. You can reduce the co-payment with a record of frequent checks at the dentist. And get an extra insurance for dental is possible. There are couple of possible upgrades that all cost a bit. Like single room in the hospital f.e.
@annemariavonroith4268
@annemariavonroith4268 Жыл бұрын
The Ladys who are working with a Doctor, they have to go to a special school! This are not secretary's! Thez called " Arzthelferin".. It takes 3 years. They assist the Doctor. They are doing paperwork, but in the medical sector. We had 9 ladys, all of them just lovely!
@weinhainde2550
@weinhainde2550 2 жыл бұрын
The "ladies" are medizinische Fachangestellte not secretaries btw .-3 years vocational training!
@SoniaJbrt
@SoniaJbrt 2 жыл бұрын
Very happy to report that my GP gives the same care and treatment you got, and I'm from South Africa.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sonia! All the best to you!
@Morellas4
@Morellas4 Жыл бұрын
In Germany you only get a bill if you don't have an health care insurance which is compulsory in Germany. IF you have to pay something for your treatment then the doctor will talk about the whole payment BEFOREHAND. So, if you do have an insurance-card you won't get a bill at all! ;-))
@mirabellegoldapfel6256
@mirabellegoldapfel6256 Жыл бұрын
I noticed the suspicous "why am I here so long, are they getting payed by the hour" reaction you had in the doctors office and in the pharmacy is quite a common among americans experiencing other health care systems. They feel like medicine is a business like any other, i.e. going to a lawyer or what. A german GP earns like 22€ for a short visit with a talk and a simple exam, other procedures and prescriptions add up, but still mostly in the single or double digits (general insurance). Thats reads not like doing it for the money~
@stefan0325
@stefan0325 Жыл бұрын
One thing to note is that there are two different patient classes in Germany: public and private payer. You fall under the "private" category and will receive better care than someone who has public health insurance in Germany. Typically a publicly insured person will not get an appointment immediately (at a specialist), but might have to wait a few weeks. Also, the doctor might take a little less time explaining stuff because the rates they can charge a public insurance are much lower than what they charge private insurance. It's not a huge difference, but for any expats that are on German public health insurance (Krankenkasse), you may not have the same experience and might have to wait 2-3 weeks for a non-emergency appointment at a specialist. As far as I know, general practice physicians will always see you within the day, you may have to wait for hours, while a private patient can skip the line.
@Schalalai
@Schalalai 2 жыл бұрын
At pharmacy it is all about the Time you go. Never waited longer than 2 min. I always go about 1-2h before they close. In the Morning/Midday it mostly filled with older people that went to the doc in the morning.
@santaclaus0815
@santaclaus0815 2 жыл бұрын
Actually many european healthcare systems work like this or very similar. Take the nordic states for example, Spain, Austria...
@RotesKleid411
@RotesKleid411 Жыл бұрын
Vielen Dank, dass du deine positive Geschichte erzählst. Viele andere erzählen lieber horrorstories, die sie sich vielleicht noch selbst ausgedacht haben. Bleib gesund.
@mastex5575
@mastex5575 2 жыл бұрын
The observation you have that the doctors in the US are rushing you through can also be seen in the policy of the EMT's. In Germany we have a stay and play policy so they first look after you and see if you are fit to be transported (exceptions are for life and death scenarios of course) and in the US the policy is to take the patient as fast as possible to the next hospital. The secretary at the doctor have a medical qualification and are also able to draw your blood if they are trained in that...
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! The ladies at the front desk performed my entire allergy test. I was stunned!
@Markus-zb5zd
@Markus-zb5zd Жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze it's alot not a university degree but a special kind of vocational training. They have school during this time as well, so you might actually meet an apprentice at the front desk without knowing ^^
@e.458
@e.458 Жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze It's a trained profession; you go through years of apprenticeship (in combination with studying at a "Berufsschule") and have to pass exams to get a degree that allows you to do this job. MTAs and MFAs are usually the heart and nervous system of a medical practice.
@e.458
@e.458 Жыл бұрын
The older ones can be somewhat rough sometimes, maybe that's what the Americans who complained meant. They might not understand the German brand of "rough cordiality" (lots of cheeky sarcasm involved). Or they might not have done their due dilligence like you and not looked for an expressedly English speaking doctor - just expected anyone to accomodate them. You cannot expect that, especially not from older people whose English lessons might have been decades in the past (if they had English at all). Imagine people expect a 50-year-old Minnesotan to instantly revive their highschool Spanish/German/French and not be flustered! Also, not everyone excells at learning foreign languages and that's okay. I, for one, want my medical professionals to excell at natural science first. Some Germans really are grumpy and cold, though. And don't get me started on the pedants!
@HH-hd7nd
@HH-hd7nd Жыл бұрын
13:48 Not "some of the highest". THE highest healthcare cost per capita for healthcare that is subpar even when compared to many developing countries. 16:09 The reason for that is that in the US everyone can sell stuff at a pharmacy - in Germany pharmacists have to study at university and then receiver additional training. They're not just salespersons, they are highly trained professionals. One correction: We're the 4th largest economy behind the USA, China and Japan, not the 3rd. PS: The ladies (and in rare cases men as well) at the front desk are not just secretaries as they are in many US doctor's offices. They are medical specialists which is its own job which requires a 3-year education and training. This means that basically everyone you encounter in any doctor's office is trained medical staff. In extremely large doctor's offices they might have administrative staff at the front desk, but that is very rare.
@casualgerman1949
@casualgerman1949 Жыл бұрын
Happy that you had such a good experience. Going to the doctors here is okish but it also can be a bit less friendly at times. If you are german they might not help you a lot with that paperwork, because they probably expect you can do it on your own, since you speak the language. If it's busy expect even less help. And waiting just 2 minutes? My experience specialy since covid, that waiting rooms are always full, reagrdless to which type of doctor you go and you wait at least 15 minutes, if not longer. And it's not certain that the doctor or anyone at the front desk speaks another language but german, regardless the fact that they had english in school.
@awake1282
@awake1282 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, you can also meet a bad doctor in germany where you have the feeling you are a number. But if you look out for good ónes normaly you will find them. Greetings from beautiful munich ;)
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
You’re 100% correct! Thanks for watching!
@abee8405
@abee8405 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! I hope you get well soon :-) . Sounds like a great doctor! As a German.,I find your perspective very intersting. I can tell you, at first glance, some Germans have a tough exterior, but they are usually very willing to help. If you needed someone to translate, I'm sure any colleague, friend or neighbour (that knows english) of yours would help you gladly. I hope you don't mind if I add some information for other foreigners who might have some questions about doctors in Germany: Generally, the ratio of nice doctors is the same as with the rest of the population. But it's normal for them to take some time to get to know a new patient. Also, the staff and doctors are trained not only in medicine but also in at least one foreign language (mostly english) pertaining to their field. Usually their language competencies will be listed on their home page. The ladies at the front desk are either nurses doubling as receptionists or specially trained "doctors assistants", so they are used to performing this dual role in private practice. If you feel you were not treated correctly or you feel there where things lost in translation, you are always welcome to have another consultation with your doctor or seek a second opinion with another doctor. I would recommend this especially whith a larger procedure or elective surgery. That second opinion is also covered by basic German health insurance. Concerning the bill: If you are an employee, you should automatically have health insurance. It is payed by both your employer and yourself and your part gets taken out of your salary. If you have no German insurance, because you are currently self- or unemployeed it is really recommended to sign up for it. You can shop around or you can do what most Germans do: Get the basic package, which covers all the essentials, and if you feel you might want teeth implants in the future, get some private insurance that covers teeth. Take your time and have a read on what is covered with the basic package. The insurances and the health ministry all have multiple language choices on their homepages. I whish you all the best!
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
We have been overtly met with kindness, sympathy, empathy, and humanity by every single German we’ve interacted with. And hey! Feel free to add all of the information you would like. I hope this comments section turns into a useful guide for people!
@marylacken4016
@marylacken4016 Жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze It is just how you interact with other people. If you come up friendly and polite you well be treated that way. But if you show up with entitlement, unfriendly and arrogant you will get that back, too! As we say: "Wie man in den Wald hineinruft, so schallt es heraus".
@mathildewesendonck7225
@mathildewesendonck7225 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, thank you!! It is actually very rare that you have to wait in a line in a pharmacy in Germany. Many pharmacies also do COVID tests, issue vaccine certificates or even do vaccinations, which all takes time. That might have been the reason that you had to wait.
@jupiteronkauai
@jupiteronkauai Жыл бұрын
Much love, Aloha and Moin moin from a German (HH/KI) living in Hawaii, Kauai...
@fadfauziug8146
@fadfauziug8146 Жыл бұрын
As a resident you usually won’t have to do paperworks for stuff like that you just give them your endurance card, everything for “usual” stuff is saved on it
@Venzo-Gaming
@Venzo-Gaming 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Germany since I'm born but was in US for a time - the Doctors in Germany are 100x nicer and better then US without a doubt 😅 your always treated good and that's mainly to the reason that the State is paying everything 'witch affects our health' you don't have to pay one cent
@Kosty19
@Kosty19 Жыл бұрын
You pay health insurance if You study or work in germany so its not completely free or completely paid for by "the state".
@Venzo-Gaming
@Venzo-Gaming Жыл бұрын
@@Kosty19 that's true but for me that falls in category taxes and I donno if its more when xou compare the needs of a person's hole life need in medical treatment between Ger and US - but even when you have no work and get 'Harz4' witch is social minimum what the state pays per month with includes your hole rent and 480€ their you are also covered so even homeless people have health insurance even tho they pay not one cent tax or for Insurances in any way
@palantir135
@palantir135 Жыл бұрын
Great healthcare system in Germany. Is quite similar to the Netherlands where I live. You would have the allergy tests on your arm here too.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze Жыл бұрын
I love the Netherlands!!!
@gloofisearch
@gloofisearch 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear you had COVID, but glad you are feeling better. One thing to know about doctors in pretty much any country, their "business language" is actually English. Most conferences are in English, even if they are in Italy or Spain. The stuff usually knows English as they are highly trained. So the front desk people or the pharmacy employee, they are not just there to get you data, they have Bachelors or Master degrees in the respective field and know everything about it. The "get your data job" is just a side task for them whereas in the US, you have extra people for every little task and they can pretty much only do that. You couldn't ask the front desk person something medical as that person has no idea other than add your data to the system. However, this keeps the cost down over the long run as you do not need as many employees but have a few but highly skilled employees. Here in the US, I am never sure if the people I talk to, even the doctors have any idea what is going on or what the solution is. Mostly they give you some strong pain killer, just helping for the short run but never give you something that helps and fixes for the long run. Glad you had a great experience.
@ohauss
@ohauss 2 жыл бұрын
While that's true, your average general practicioner doesn't usually go to major international conferences that much but chiefly the local Germany ones and as a consequence, there are many whose English is VERY rusty.
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 2 жыл бұрын
@@ohauss True, I would say rusted into nothing. Our general practicioners usually do not speak englisch. 😂😅
@wolfgangpreier9160
@wolfgangpreier9160 2 жыл бұрын
May be in the major hospitals and university clinics. In our hospitals and the doctors in the countryside only some can speak English. Most can not. We have more Croatian, Slovenian, Slovakian, Hungarian.
@Danisachan
@Danisachan 2 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel, so I don't know if you intend to stay in Germany long, but yes, I agree with the others; you should defenitely get German health insurance if you intend to stay here. :) For my part, I only ever had great, and I mean really great experiences with my insurer (BARMER). We've had unfortunately a lot of bad accidents happen in my own family. My mother had a stroke when she was just 38, with no warning, and her left hand is still paralyzed today. My father fell down the stairs two years ago, is paralyzed almost enterely below the neck now, and I've just been diagnosed with cancer at age 32. Yes. Shitty all around. But my Krankenkasse was amazing. The people on the phone were amazing and really competent and always helpful. Furthermore: When you have to pay for medicine, medical procedures or hospital stays that combined exceed 2% (1% if you're disabled) of your wage per year, you can get a huge amount of that money back via a "co-payment exemption". Invaluable for chronical ill people like me and my parents. The thing is, you will never notice that money is missing, because you pay this percentage by law with your paycheck anyway. Even if every prescription in Germany tops at 10€, the costs, of course, can still add up if you have to swallow 17 pills a day, like me at the moment. So it's great. I even had the good fortune to have the right Krankenkasse that paid for my wig in full. So German heath care really IS great.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
I plan on being here the rest of my life if possible!
@momomomamo
@momomomamo 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, BARMER is *fantastic* for anyone, but particularly for ppl w chronic illnesses and families over all. It offers quite a few extra perks to keep you healthy that other insurance providers don't include! (MH apps, dietician and more) plus they will literally pay or reward you for participating in courses they provide to keep you fit and healthy in the first place ! 👍🏻
@toniderdon
@toniderdon Жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze You really need to get health insurance then. If you are employed at a company, you usually already have it. But I don't know why you are getting a bill for your doctors visit then
@danihesslinger7968
@danihesslinger7968 Жыл бұрын
@@toniderdon Because he is still privately insured - you get the bill first and after having paid you send in your claim to the insurance company ...
@melodykruck8692
@melodykruck8692 5 ай бұрын
Yes, it is a very social system. Obviously there are people that abuse it. Imagine what would happen in the US if your father was suddenly diagnosed with a brain tumour. Loose your house, rund up debts? Here we did not pay one extra penny for OP and treatment. Only a small fee for medication. However since it was very expensive, paying just a supplememt of 10 DM was nothing,- fee for ambulance was not more than that either. 😘
@Gabriele-xk6zg
@Gabriele-xk6zg Жыл бұрын
You seem to have found a VERY nice practice. Not all are as friendly, helpful and quickly available, even towards the locals ;) But here in NRW I've never been in a long line at a pharmacy, but I live in a small town. And we have apothecaries on every corner, but they tend to be small and not connected to a supermarket...
@annwyche5471
@annwyche5471 Жыл бұрын
In the us you wait around 2 hours for your meds because they have to count the pills. In Germany it is ready and they will give it to you right away.
@dagmarszemeitzke
@dagmarszemeitzke Жыл бұрын
The Ladys at the counter are "Arzthelferinnen" (~doctors helpers) it is a job, they learned for three years, as a nurse had to do
@arnodobler1096
@arnodobler1096 2 жыл бұрын
thx for your nice story
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Anytime brother! Thanks for listening!
@MagicPQ
@MagicPQ 7 ай бұрын
Hi Trey, I know it's an old one, but I just wanted to state: when a pharmacist goes in-depth about side-effects, that's also a question of liability insurance.
@thorbjoernmaadhengis9644
@thorbjoernmaadhengis9644 Жыл бұрын
What you called the "secretaries" are MTA* or MFA*. Those need to go through 3 years of medical training. They are doing all kinds of procedures, everyday stuff like taking blood, giving shots and such. They are like Nurses, they just do the secretarial stuff in addition to their medical duties. Only very big practises (usually with multiple practitioners) have a not-medically-trained secretary and even then usually only for answering the phone. *MTA - Medizinisch Technische/r Assistent/in - MFA - Medizinische/r FachAngestellste/r Meaning: assistant medical technician, they are roughly equal to a registered nurse in the american system
@Westi1987
@Westi1987 Жыл бұрын
the costs just appear to be cheap because everyone is paying for everyone. so the bills get kinda shared. ofc, if u never get sick u are the one paying for nothing. but thats how insurance work in general. but behind the scene the doctor will charge the insurance company with a big amount like u would get in the us.
@basti94
@basti94 11 ай бұрын
Doctors in germany are highly educated. It's common that they speak really good english. It could be a problem with older doctors (lets say 50+) but the younger generations are normally pretty good in english. I don't know how it is in other cities, but Stuttgart is a very international city with 2 universities, 2 US Barracks and 3 really big companies with Mercedes-Benz, Porsche and Bosch. It's important to have english speaking staff in this city
@elipa3
@elipa3 Жыл бұрын
The secretaries at the desk are Arzthelferinnen with 3 years of intense education. You learn all about anatomy, laboratory and a lot of other things.
@quo33
@quo33 Жыл бұрын
Doctors here are pretty chill. I had to go to the doctor's and it was during Corona, so a rather stressful time. The doc really took his time to talk to me and everything, even though he could see all new incoming patients and their problems popping up on his computer. And even when I told him "There's so many patients outside", he was just like "mhm" and didn't change his attitude one bit, lol. They do their routine and that's that. This was in Austria though btw.
@rich-ard-style6996
@rich-ard-style6996 Жыл бұрын
In America, they are friendly, (I am German) , but they do not resolved your health problems. They give you a test. if the test is negative. they do NOT ask you to come in again and to see what the problem is and finding the solution. You are in your own again. In Germany they ask you to come back and wanted to find the solution of your health issues. Not so here in America, at least that was my experience. I remember , when I asked at the desk for another appointment. After my visit, because I had to get a test, and I wanted to see the doctor again to find a treatment. The doctor here didn't seemed to like my action, because after the test results came in I was called from the office, and have been told, that the doctor will see me next at my yearly physical appointment. I was shocked and still had not gotten to my health issues resolved. And this is all those years the same way I am treated. And they praise the health care so much in these Advertisements on tv here. And you are correct, I was always helped in Germany; the educational system in Germany is totally different for those "Sprechstundenhilfe" then in the USA, they have also a medical education.
@aypahyo
@aypahyo Жыл бұрын
There may be some co pay invoved for meds, usually very little. If you stay longer you may want to look into insurance. If you have a work permit you can grab a job that pays over 450 € per month which gets you into the public health care system without delay.
@Tiisiphone
@Tiisiphone 2 жыл бұрын
I would be quite scared to have anything to do with the US Healthcare System. Let's hope I never get sick during one of my trips over the pond.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Your best bet if anything ever happens is to suck it up sadly 😔. I spent a week in the hospital due to an unexpected gastrointestinal ailment. The bill was $120,000 USD. The IV “therapy” alone was $30,000. And don’t get me started on ambulance costs.
@Tiisiphone
@Tiisiphone 2 жыл бұрын
@@TreyDaze OMG. I feel for you. This is totally unethical, people shouldn't be paying such enormous costs, this is adding insult to the injury! This is the price of a small one-bedroom apartment in Brussels, Belgium! As a comparison, I had appendicitis about 10 years ago. Oddly enough it was not painful and I had no fever, so I only noticed it when the infected thingie burst into my abdomen. I was brought to the emergency room with acute peritonitis, and due to complications I had to stay at a state-of-the art, university hospital for 8 days. I took a single room for peace of mind. Except for the television, I paid nothing. In addition to our mandatory, basic health insurance (which is part of our taxes), I have a private, premium health insurance that costs me 630€ per year. And no, I don't think we live under a communist (nor even socialist) system. This is solidarity with your fellow man, and I don't think it's a bad thing.
@klotz__
@klotz__ Жыл бұрын
Usually in Germany you stick your insurance card into the card reader and walk straight into the waiting room. No forms or whatsoever. The front desk ladies are trained in doing certain medical procedures. Their profession is called "doctor's assistant" (Arzthelferin). Also pharmacists are highly trained for several years before they are allowed to sell drugs. They even are allowed to do some medical procedures like giving vaccination shots.
@tobyk.4911
@tobyk.4911 Жыл бұрын
As I understood the video, he doesn't have a German public health insurance, so that he was there as a "private patient" ... therefore no insurance card. Also, at some doctors I was asked to fill out some form(s) when I was there for the first time, even although they already had "read" my insurance card... They may want to know some information about the patient's health situation and health history which they don't get from the card, therefore additional forms to fill for first-time patients
@teresas8173
@teresas8173 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad your appt. went very well. Hlthcare system in the US isn’t great, you are fortunate to even have hlth insurance in the US and if you do it’s almost always very expensive.
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The really scary thing is most of the insurance is tied to employment. So in the event of a pandemic when companies laid people off…millions were without insurance, some got COVID-19, and several had to pay out of pocket several thousand dollars.
@Morellas4
@Morellas4 Жыл бұрын
Nice vid :-)) The ladies at the front desk are'nt secretaries - they are very good and specific trained medical personnel. It's usually those ladies who perform treatments for the medical laboratory. They also give the injections and so on.
@canaguy
@canaguy Жыл бұрын
Your experience is more like a Canadian Doctor at an office or walk-in clinic or when using the emergency visit at a local hospital. More likely to engage with questions and answers and always willing to help. PLUS, there is NO BILLING, COST or forms for Insurance. Everyone gets the same treatment, services and Doctors without any reference to employment, wealth, or whom you are in CANADA.
@dieteroffermann3880
@dieteroffermann3880 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Tray, try the videos from "Simple Germany" too! They have a website too with all information!
@susa3672
@susa3672 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Trey, Im happy for you. Im German, please do not always expect that comfort, you had now 1 experience ( no 2, the pharmacy) . If you do not understand the doctor or entrance ladies, just insist…, that can help also… wishing you a good trip to Munich ! Wonder what the bill will be from the HNO doctor… take care 🙋🥰🦋
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words!
@iriscollins7583
@iriscollins7583 Жыл бұрын
Hope everything goes okay to for you.
@Dahrenhorst
@Dahrenhorst Жыл бұрын
In the US you get smiles. In Germany you get information.
@steveschwartz2814
@steveschwartz2814 Жыл бұрын
Always nice to see, that our health-system is percieved well by americans. If unsuprising tho. I think you would be surprised by most healthcare-systems around the world, since most do better than the US. But i take issue with the phrase "the Secretery double as nurses. I would rather say the Nurses double as a secretary. This Job has its own 3-year-apprenticeship in germany. Highly skilled workers.
@toniderdon
@toniderdon Жыл бұрын
14:00 why are you getting a bill? If you don't have health insurance yet, you need to get that asap because it is actually mandatory to have health insurance here in Germany. If you are employed at some company, you automatically get health insurance usually. If you are a freelancer or business owner on the other hand, you can get private health insurance.
@marcoscha4
@marcoscha4 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you habe a good time in beautiful Munich 🇩🇪✌️✌🏾
@TreyDaze
@TreyDaze 2 жыл бұрын
We just got back! One of the greatest cities I’ve ever been to! We didn’t want to leave 😭
@holz_name
@holz_name Жыл бұрын
The doctors and the staff are nice, the patients sometimes not. Went to the doctor with my daughter. I saw an interaction with the staff and the mother of her sick child. She was half an hour late to her appointment and was arguing with the secretary. The secretary asked her to stay in a separate room because of Covid, I don't know what was going on but the mother didn't want to stay in the room. The secretary just said if you don't want to you are free to change doctors, she is not having an argument and she needs to stay in the room and wait. PS: the problem is we have a medical staff shortage, we need more nurses and doctors.
@ConnieIsMijnNaam
@ConnieIsMijnNaam Жыл бұрын
About the front desk ladies: I ‘m not sure how it is in Germany but here in the Netherlands we have a profession called ‘medical secretary’ and a profession called ‘doctors assistant’. Both professions require specialized training.
@Hannah-Hi
@Hannah-Hi Жыл бұрын
Yap,same in Germany
@thomastschetchkovic5726
@thomastschetchkovic5726 Жыл бұрын
Yes, they are either certified nurses, MFA's (Medizinische Fachangestellte, "medicaly specialized employees) or MTA (Medizinisch-Technische Assistenten "medical-technical assistant). All of those are 3 year degrees at a Berufsschule and get periodical retraining.
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