People that are blaming draisaitl or mcjesus shows for oilers playoff losses are 1 of 2 things 1 theyre an idiot 2 anti oilers bias

He's 3rd all time in playoff points per game, behind only Gretzky and Lemieux... I don't understand how the thought even entered his head to address some perceived criticism of how he has performed in the playoffs.

"He should have had 87 points in 2 games. Edmonton should be winning 24 straight games in the playoffs." -Likely

@@bajjanitorbecause when people talk about how good McDavid and Draisaitl are, some knuckle dragging Neanderthal will come out of the wood work and say ‘HoW mAnU cUpS dO tHeY hAvE’

Shoot, in the playoffs I’d rather have Drai than McDavid.

It just needs the old Monty Python stairs outro

I saw that intro and my genuine reaction was an out loud “wha- why?”

😂

It really was.

Made my day that was awesome

He is top 5 in cab driver beaters in the NHL too!

@@carletonrutherford1799 and you’re #1 buzzkill

@@JoeyKennethC Idk, I thought it was funny.

When your right, you're right

@@TylerJohnstonGuitar Thank you, I'm here all week, try the veal!

Anyone who plays with Mackinnon will have slightly inflated stats, including Landeskog.

​@@mattgauthier7216Rantanen has an identical ppg with and without mackinnon.

​@@mattgauthier7216they were split for half the season so the Avs could have a second line.

@@luukas2660 not in the past, and my point was that no forward on the avs is on Mackinnons level.

@@criddlexd no he isnt 😅😅

Right?! I don’t get it either. All it shows is you need 3 lines ideally 4 and 5 solid D.

Yeah, that made absolutely zero sense. Drai might be the best playoff performer in the game right now (Sorry Cale)

Well... except not performing against Winnipeg (sweep) Colorado (sweep), not performing against Vegas. A great performer but not really clutch, right?

@@jeffreym.8957 Vegas had to break his wrists in order to stop him from scoring

​@@jeffreym.8957 The team as a whole hasn't been good enough to get past the best in the West, losing to eventual cup winners in Colorado and Las Vegas. I wouldn't take anything away from Draisaitl for that, though. He's done his part, team defence just needs to get better.

It’s debatable between Mac and Matthews

​@KNorth2 it's not though lol. General concensus is Drai and Mack are 2A/2B and matthews is behind them.

@@chanses7576 I think you need to learn the definition of ‘general consensus’ because that’s not even remotely true.

@KNorth2 yeah you're right, 90% of forums threads on the topic NEVER have a split vote between those two. There hasn't been multiple threads similar to this video on reddit at all. What about the entire season of hockey analysts clamoring over who is number 2 and very consistently putting Mack and Drai as the two picks? It is quite literally a general consensus that they are 2A/2B currently.

@@bobholst874pastas best season is better than both Mackinnon and the fraud mvp Matthews. Stay lost in the 🍝tho. Oh ya and how many times has pasta beaten matthews in the playoffs? Asking for a friend. Don’t ever compare the two again matthews wants to be pasta

It looks like 318 but it's 378.

Yeah, I have him 7th.

Agreed, would nudge him up a little, a bit underrated but got more credit last year

Absolutely.

I think both Rantanen and Marner are kinda low on this list

Yeah having robo above him is laughable but its opinions

@@Nathanielhiggerson66 Open discussion about such things is good!

definitely should be above Matthews, Shannon missed all the games that Matthews was lazy and didn't cover his man which of course, scored.

Dude has to be on of the most fun players in the league to watch play. By far my favorite non-Panther forward on this list.

Not just you.

What's so wild about it? Stats are perfect for what Shannon is saying. This isn't overall, this is from 2018 until now.

Agreed he shares spot number three with Mathews, pasta will go back to his 80 points this season.

@@metalmarty3948the stats don’t support it at all? Did you watch the video? Mack has more points than the three guys above him with less games played. Lmao

@@johky You said Having FIVE not three guys ahead of Mac is wild. Go back and read your own post again LMFAO.

@@metalmarty3948 this was the first comment I’ve posted on this video and was not the original commenter. Maybe read the name before you respond?

If not 2nd

Yeah he's the third in points and has a cup.

@@justincredubil I'd take him over Drai on my team.

Yeah agreed although I’d probably put him at 2

Yeah this is a really good video with the exception of that one extremely glaring exception. 6th is downright criminal.

You wanna watch the vid again? Kaprizov is in the top ten lmfao.

Drop Robertson and you're golden.

@@metalmarty3948 I hope that made you feel good.

Marner should be higher in the list.

@@christhornycroft3686 He didn't even insult you, don't be weak.

Agreed, it seems like this is where Shannon let his personal biases show a bit. Pasta should probably drop 3 spots.

Matthews, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Pastrnak in that order

@@Kyt2024 I personally don't see enough to indicate who is better between MacKinnon and Kuch and I think they are the 3rd and 4th best forwards in the league. Matthews might actually be 6th in my evaluation because of the playoffs. MacK and Kuch have shown they have an extra gear they shift into come post season. I don't remember Pasta in 2019 but I'm sure he was clutch. When Matthews finds that new gear (not that he's been bad in the playoffs) Id be more willing to bump Matthews up. If we say regular season only, yes Matthews is right there with MacK and Kuch.

I agree. I’d put him in at 4, bump Pasta down to 6 and Matthews up to 3

That’s the issue. This is rating players since 2018. MacKinnon didn’t break out until almost 2020, plus he is not the kind of player who can carry a real like the guys above him are.

@@greathoonta3461 Ummm... You did notice that MacKinnon has the 3rd highest points on this list, right? And MacKinnon has the 6th highest post season points per game of all time. So not sure where you get that he can't carry a team.

@@greathoonta3461didn’t break out until almost 2020? I’d say he broke out starting with 97 points in 74 games in 2017/2018, 99 in 82 in 2018/2019 and 93 in 69 games 2019/2020. So if this is rating players since 2018 I would argue he should be top 3 if not 2nd.

And he had the best 5 on 5 points total this season so he doesnt need power play to put on points

Why do you hate the leafs?

Who doesn’t?

​​@@CommentsurveillanceI'm a die hard leafs fan since I was 6 and 25 years later I hate the leafs alot of the time too lol but that's my team and always gonna cheer for them haha

Don't worry. He'll have at least one more cup before Matthews smells the final.

And Rantanen

Blues fan, Mack is top 3 in the world. I hate you Ron burgundy but I respect you! 😉

Yeah, I have him 3rd.

He's just outside of the top 5 ffs, it's not like Shannon put him below 10! To call him "underrated" here just shows how much useless hair splitting there is amongst NHL fans.

He's also top 2 in the playoffs alongside Draisaitl. Even McDavid kinda gets overshadowed by how good Draisaitl is in the playoffs (not that McDavid is bad at all) while it's the other way around in the regular season.

I can understand people having a different one of the two ahead of the other, but the idea Matthews isn’t close is laughable

@KNorth2 No, matthews really isn't remotely close to Mackinnon

I’d have him at 4, but we can agree he’s rated too low

Mackinnon yes, Matthews no.

​@thatxboxchannel4772 I'd go other way around because I'm just waiting on MacKinnon to have a truly dominate offensive season with 120 plus points

@@thatxboxchannel4772ya but does pasta play d

I hate the Bruins. I hate them with the energy of a million suns. David Pastrnak is elite. I have no problem with The Hockey Guy ranking him that high. If you took him out of the Bruins lineup, they would be done. He carries that team, and look where he carried them in the regular season last year. If you swapped him and Matthews, the Leaves would be a force, and the Bruins would drop. MacKinnon and Pastrnak...now there is a tough one. It's really just preference. And since The Hockey Turd is a Bruins fan, he will lean towards Pastrnak.

@@carletonrutherford1799 i'll take the centres everyday over the wingers at the same or similar skill level.

I'm a leafs fan but can't say anything bad about the sens they got a great young team and he had a great year last year only 3 seasons into his career and is only gonna get better! Hopefully battle of Ontario renews it's rivalry next playoffs!

Personally I think it's still a tad premature to put him top 40, but admittedly if he has another year like last he'll rocket up my list.

He had a shockingly good season. If I had to bet, I'd say he regresses a bit. Would be different if he was 22, but he's 25 and has played for like 5 seasons.

same, i think 4-5 players should be above him so far... but he could surpas them this season but so far tkachuk, thrill, petersson, rantanen are better players so far then hughes

@jonathanhalleman1277 interesting. I'm not of the mindset that more points = better player. Petersson and Rantanen are both very good but I'd say their point totals are a bit inflated compared to hughes because 1) hughes plays second line minutes, 2) rantanen plays with makar and big Mac, 3) pettersson has had consistent line mates and isn't trying to rebuild chemistry every other night, 4) Jack Hughes can literally take over a game on his own and doesn't need anyone else on the ice to do so. Hughes will be a top 3 forward in the nhl if he continues his trajectory, but as it stands right now I can't honestly put him ahead of Tkachuk, who in my opinion forced florida through sheer will to the finals on the second line, or kiril the thrill as he is doing the same thing as Jack but for a season longer in my opinion.

@@christopherjohnson9176 EP40 had consistent linemates? Tell me you don't watch VAN games without telling me lol.

Difficult season is putting it lightly. Dude had worse offensive efficiency than Adam Ruzicka, a 4th liner that might not even be in the NHL next year, and is *arguably* the worst defensive forward in the entire league. He wasn’t just bad, he might have been the worst player in the league next to some enforcers

Agreed!

I think Mac and Pasta should be swapped too. We'll really get to see how good Pasta is or isn't this year with a reduced Bruins team.

MacKinnon is held back by his injuries. Guy can't play a full season. Bona-fide #2 player otherwise.

⁠@@TheGreyCrayonand you mean to tell me that Kucherov isn’t the exact same thing to an even greater extent…?

you forgot about kerfoot...

I'd say MacKinnon is #2 if he isn't always injured.

@@TheGreyCrayon still nothing on kerfoot

​@@TheGreyCrayonMcDavid would be injured more often if he played more physically

@@saiyansatan I mean McDavid threw 89 hits and compared to MacKinnon's 53 hits last season, just no reason for him to do anymore considering he always has the puck and nobody can touch him. Asking him to purposely injured himself by engaging with grinders is a stupid idea.

I'm pretty sure I heard someone say that Huberdeau had the largest season to season point drop off in NHL history without an injury. I'm sure he could make it back into the top 40 but there's no way you can include him after the abysmal season he had especially by his standards

I do think he should still be top 40, though this year busted him down a lot for me.

That play was selected by Sports Illustrated as the top play in all of sports in 2020. That will go down in Tampa Bay Lightning lore as the most inspirational moment in their history.

@@richardsteiner1729 Indeed, that was epic. I'd probably rank it 2nd best play in TB sports history (behind Ronde Barber's pick six).

Marner again being underrated. He's arguably the best 2-way winger on the list. Only McDavid, Draisaitl and McKinnon have more points than him over that period of time. Jack Hughes has played 104 less games than Marner and has 217 less points. Doesn't make any sense to me.

​@@late3619had the exact same thought about marner... hugely disrespected.. like you said, 4th more points in this list

With those 7 career points it’s baffling he’s not ranked higher.

@@TylerJohnstonGuitar ROFL!! Dude hears too much Leafs stuff. I know you know he meant Jason. Or did he? I mean, he has to know the Stars drafted Jason R, right? Maybe he knows something we don't, that Nick Robertson is going to be traded to the Stars, and become elite?

can't even spell his name correctly

Same here. MacKinnon is a beast in the playoffs and can carry his team on his back. Plus he has that cup ring. I honestly thought Nate would be higher.

Matthews can cover Mackinnon, Mackinnon can't cover Matthews. Their offence is similar. That's the difference there

@@davidmorris6254 Can he though? Also, Mackinnon is always at his best in the playoffs while Matthews is always at his worst which I would say is the big difference. MacKinnon brings a lot more passion to his game than Matthews.

Might be a hot take, but I've always thought Mackinnon was the best player on the Avs, even better than Makar. Makar is fantastic, but when Mackinnon is on, his presence on the ice is magnetic. That combined with his compete level puts him just ahead of Makar for me. Idk, I could be wrong.

Ohhh man, how crazy is it that you can say that with a name like Jack, and I have no doubt in my mind it is about Jack Hughes? As a New Jersey Devil fan, WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

He’s not top 10 but he’s good

Pastrnak is a 60 goal scorer, Marner is a 30 goal scorer. 2 assists most often times for each goal scored. Goals mean more.

@@mattgauthier7216pasta was a bad comp here, but to have marner at 19 is pretty ridiculous. He is low key one of the best defensive forwards in the league, plays PK, PP, has insane vision, dominates games at times at a level only a few can. But he definitely has frustrating flaws. I have him at 10, and if he wasn’t such a puss, which really gets exposed against mean teams in the playoffs, he’d be higher.

Agreed, even as a Wild fan it’s still hard to put him against those nine ahead of him who have done more so far in their careers. Give it time and he could definitely insert himself into that category.

@@Charles_Groebs Ya, I do think Kaprizov has more raw skill and hockey IQ than, for example, Tkachuk (or even Hughes), but I can't take away from Tkachuk's recent playoff performance on a team he just started playing for nor his back to back 100 point outings. And I also have to take into account Hughes' age as well.

It's worth noting that he makes less on the salary cap than any other in the top 10 (except Hughes) and a bunch outside the top ten. Important for any team but exceedingly so for the Wild particularly. He's so fun to watch.

I'd agree he's an innovative player who is mabye the best skater in the national hockey league

Once their salary cap hell is over, if the Wild can secure a legit 1C (whether that's from their prospect pool, a trade, or free agency) I have no doubt Kaprizov could put up 120+ points in a season. He is absolutely electric, and makes average players on his line look way better than they actually are. Ryan Hartman wouldn't be on the top line on any other team in the league, it just happens that he has better chemistry with Kaprizov and Zuccarello than anyone else on the team, so he stays there.

Kuch maybe a few years ago but now hes just a secondary assist guy and its alot of PP stuff that whole team needs more 5 on 5 to get back to where they were.

@@Emphatic83 good to know you haven’t watched Kucherov play in the last few years. The dude is still clapping Matthews (considered top 5) at 30 and is still similar to Mack. Pasta had one insane year, Kuch has had this level of productions since 2018. Yeah he has a large amount of powerplay points but that does not mean he’s getting carried. Far from it. You could argue he’s one of the best players to run a powerplay and it is undeniable he is the primary reason that powerplay is so good. And he is a beast in the playoffs, consistently at that. I’d put him right next to smack but I’d still take Mack as he is a center. Kucherov is the best winger in the league and until Pasta hit 60 goals, I was surprised there was even a debate.

⁠@@bodhithomas5684Kuch may be better then Matthews and Pasta from a play making standpoint but he he’s not even close to as good a goal scorer as them. And Matthews is also a centre and his defense stats are insane. So no, he’s not “clapping Matthew’s” lol

@@kakarotblake “Kuch may be better at playmaking” “no where near as good at scoring goals” when the difference between playmaking is significantly larger than the difference between goal scoring. His overall offense is factually better than Matthews every year and was better than Pastrnak before they tied in points this year. Yeah, Matthews is good defensively too but kucherov is the significantly better playoff performer on top of overall offense. I was joking when I said clapping btw, it’s not like there’s a big difference between them but it’s shocking how many people consider Matthews to be better when his overall production and lack of playoff feats clearly put him below Kuch

We appreciate you guys giving him up so much here in Vegas. He’s easily become my favorite player in the league. Nothing displayed that more than the play he made in the finals this year against Florida . He was in the defensive zone and his stick half broke and he knew it. He kept playing and once he got a chance he broke the stick over his knee the rest of the way , threw the pieces aside, skated towards the bench which also happened to have the puck carrier at the point between him and the bench, threw a hit on the guy knocking him over , continued skating to the bench, grabbed a new stick, joined the rush, received a pass, and then made a beautiful pass to Howden who scored . It’s easily one of the greatest displays of 2 way forward play I’ve ever seen in my entire life of watching hockey. It was perfection.

Yup, most of those injuries are known, but for those not in the know, from about 1991 Gretzky played with a back that was not just slightly, but moderately buggered for the rest of his career. Not enough to keep him out most of the time, but in interviews I've seen where its discussed, it altered the way he played. You could probably put another 100-150 points easy in his last several seasons, that would only be 20ish points each season, but still insane overall. Mario and Crosby lost seasons, and Orr, well, his knees cost him his career. Even Cam Neely called it a career severely early and his career was trending to be a beast along side Bourque.

Ya the one season Mario was on pace for 100 goals and 220 points one year and still got 180 points while missin 2 and a half months

@michaeljaques77 The man who hit him from behind, Gary Suter, was one of the dirtiest players no one seems to know about. He actually altered the paths of two Hall of Famers by concussing Paul Kariya with a cheap play as well

Yeah, I think he's pretty close to where he should be on this list.

why is every comment you leave on this channel about the leafs😂

It's called an opinion. Now in mine, I'd say Marner over Stutzle for sure. Kopitar though, 100% above Marner. He's more rounded, and he's proven himself through his game and hiw steady he is. Not to mention his age and how well he plays still.

@@TheGreyCrayonboth Kopitars base statistics and especially analytics do not rival anyone on this list. probably not even top 50. maybe top 75 gross overrating of a player past his prime

@@TheGreyCrayon interesting you say more rounded, when Marner is getting selke votes

@@Carevet because I’m a leafs fan? And I’ve commented on other things, other than leafs lol.

MacKinnon top 4

absolutely yes@@Andriig75

Barkov may be a bit undervalued but he is not a top 10 player.