As a long time Saw fanatic this was an absolutely brilliant pitch. It manages to explore John’s hypocrisy, and utilizes both Amanda and Hoffman in a way that fleshes out earlier entries in the franchise. I can’t stress enough how much Saw X has revitalized the fandom. The hardcore Saw fans have been begging for a film that explores John’s hypocrisy for ages.

Saw XI will introduce Vin Diesel in a post credits scene, Saw XII will pit Vin Diesel against the apprentices… family vs family

Logan was still in the military during the timeline of the OG movies. So unless they decide to do a major retcon, he can’t be involved, which I think is fine. Gordon could genuinely be involved I think.

Love these kind of concept videos and sounds like a solid idea. Hope someone involved in the production sees this!

This was badass man! We 10000% need more pitches from you. I still think about your Dexter finale pitch years later lol

I absolutely love the idea of John more or less retiring at the start of Saw XI. It serves as a continuation of the conversation John had with his doctor at the beginning of X. "You want my advise? Retire..." "Your advice to me... is to die, easy?" Seeing him actually accepting that and choosing to die easy would be a great way to show how the events of X changed him. Well done!

I had to come back and watch this again. I can't emphasize enough how great of a pitch this is. I'm a huge Saw fan, have been for 20 years, I've even wrote fan fiction, and I love your idea. I was thinking about it so much I actually got emotional imagining how the scenes would play out. This is the best pitch I've heard. If not Saw 11, maybe part 12. Awesome idea... sorry for commenting twice! I hope Lionsgate sees this video.

Saw X was being written originally to be a sequel to Jigsaw but when Chris rock made spiral the script that became Saw X was worked on for about 5 years. This is why it was so good.

I slept on this channel for quite a while. Since I found it. I've binged for the past 5 or 6 days. Really nice work man!

The whole idea for Saw XI is so epic and cool, and I really love the idea of challenging John Kramer's morality because it further dives into the psychological battle between him and Cecilia. About the third act of bringing Amanda and Hoffman into the final test, I can imagine the emotional intensity from Saw III's ending, with Amanda confronting John. Bringing Logan and Lawrence back is not a bad idea, and it might even make Logan more "canon." The whole pitch definitely echoes what Saw X did for the movies it chronologically follows, particularly the enhancing what's already established in the full story.

PLEASE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!!! Love these kinds of videos and would love to see more of your ideas!

Hey man big fan of your channel for years now. I love this idea! Keep ‘em coming Cody!

Zepp's family member would be a crazy fit as a relative of the final test subject.

This was great man, really entertaining! Me and my best mate were talking about a similar kind of idea, about John being the main test subject of the traps in Saw XI. Love this kind of content! 👍

“I’m not a Hollywood writer…(at least not yet)” yess dude get it! I think you would be a great writer!

You are a natural, my friend. I damn near stopped the video because I felt like you were spoiling a Saw movie for me! Great ideas. Makes you wonder why there are so many shit bombs in this franchise when you just wrote a whole script for them in a 30-minute KZfaq video. Keep up the creative thought! It will be exciting to see what we have on the horizon for this franchise.

Killer idea man! Would love to see more of these pitches

Love the idea of an Amanda and Hoffman team up. That would be so interesting. If they could get Gordon and Logan back too? Phew that would be awesome.

This pitch is incredible!! Always afraid after hearing an amazing pitch like this that the actual thing won't be as good in comparison

I dig it! I feel like this is way more creative than what we'll end up getting lol.

This is actually a fantastic idea. You seem to have a knack for storytelling!

Love this! I do think the one reason all the apprentices wouldn’t be able to come back is because Cary Elwes refuses to be part of the franchise. The mention of Dr. Gordon could happen but he won’t be back on the screen. A big missing puzzle piece my sister and I have been trying to figure out for years is Detective Tapp. Yes he died in the first one: even though I always wondered why his character wouldn’t have been wearing a bullet proof vest with how paranoid he had become. He survived a cut to the throat so it would not shock me he survived a bullet wound. But my main question is why he was SO obsessed, bound and determined to prove Dr. Gordon guilty of the Jigsaw killings. They spent a lot of time on his suspicions and I just wonder what, besides the pen light made him overtly paranoid of Dr. Gordon. Also how did he find Adam, the same person Dr. Gordon would be placed in a trap with, to take pictures of Gordon’s affair? We don’t know but my sister and I have just had suspicions about Tapp for years. I do like the idea of going and showing when Mark Hoffman had the switch from loyal apprentice to Jason Voorhees.

Was about to rewatch your Saw X review and got this surprise! Keep it up Cody

More of these videos would be fun, I'm sure you have some interesting ideas for things you would like to see in movies and it's just fun to hear!

What was in general on my mind, is with what happened in saw X and Cecilia killing gaby, i would assume this is what starts to make amanda snap and it wont surprise me that Cecilia dies in the first unwinnable trap of hers. Also, isnt hoffman like he is because he was basically blackmailed in becoming an apprentice, though learning alot from john, and trying to safe his own ass when the cops are on his tail, trying to clean all the tracks so he gets his "non jigsaw life" back. Kinda like strahm said in saw 5: We were all supposed to die, you were supposed to be the hero.. Dr Gordon can work, if Hoffman doesnt see him, maybe he is unconcious or something? But i in general liked the idea, keeps it fresh and a bit more towards full circle

This will probably be better than the real Saw XI.

this sounds pretty good! i wouldn't mind seeing the actual film toy with a lot of these ideas. i've always found it interesting what a film with every Jigsaw apprentice would be like

I loved this pitch, I think this would be a perfect continuation from Saw X! Please do more videos like this, I want to see what other ideas you have for other franchises.

I had this fun idea for awhile for a saw movie is to have all the alive apprentices ( hope Hoffman is somehow still alive) in a saw trap. Having them in a test of who is the true and most loyal to John. The person behind the game could be dr Gordon or the kid from saw X.

Cody man pitch this Idea to Lionsgate already we need this for Saw 11. This is really the best idea I've ever heard and would definitely want to see this version in theaters!

Besides the home invasion part, I actually like your idea. And I’d love to see Dr. Gordon and Logan again.

God Damn this is good! I got the chills listening to your ideas about the ending of Saw 11 going into saw 12. They ought to hire you as a writer

I loved this idea, I also love that while Amanda and Hoffman are fighting the entire time Logan and Gordon are being besties and got their shit together.

Wow. What a great pitch. Would absolutely love to see this. I Gotta shout out my favorite pitch of yours while I’m here tho, that of an alternate ending for Dexter New Blood that you did with CP. shit was phenomenal.

Dam Cody...great story idea. Lots of twists and turns you’ve added into the continuation of the story along with past characters. Could you imagine if a producer or a screenwriter found your video here on KZfaq and took your whole idea 😂 now that would be cool and flattering!

Definitely agree that XI needs to have some aspect of Amanda and Hoffman working together. Not an original idea, but I saw someone else suggest that XI should take place between Saw II and III, and focus on Amanda and Hoffman having to work together to run a game now that John’s health is failing, and I thought that was a great idea, but it would be much harder to work in Cecelia

I forgot to mention, having "John Kramer vs Jigsaw" is yet another way to humanize Jigsaw as John Kramer. Also, I remember when I watched Saw 3D, where Doctor Gordon was revealed as one of the 3 under the pig mask, Hoffmann's look was not one of "who are you?" So much as it's "what the f**k are you doing here!" He knew him and vice versa.

Brilliant concept ! I want this to happen !

I would love for Amanda to have a crisis of conscience, maybe Cecilia frames someone for something they didn't do. And when it transpires that they're innocent, Amanda is sent into a spiral of horror and self-doubt. I love the idea of the chickens finally coming home to roost. John's too removed from the consequences of his actions, he needs to see the aftermath up close and personal. Something to *really* test his morals.

Thank You for the Video 😀

Bro that was a great pitch. I’m still in love with Saw 1 and 2, they’re actually my favorite horror movies. That being said I haven’t loved a Saw movie again until Saw X so I loved your ideas for Saw 11

Wow! I'm really impressed with your ideas for the movie! That's would be great! You've got talent! :)

Awesome ideas!

A cool idea to follow up on what you said is that it is revealed that the neighbour that was robbed is actually worse as they've been mainpulating the neighbourhood because rather then doing something meaningful with their life they would rather leach off the good nature of people, espically those that they form meaingful relationships with.

AWESOME idea! 🤩

Holy shit, man! You have some amazing ideas in here. Love it!

yo Cody, been watching for awhile now, and just want to say that as a massive saw fan (its my fav horror movie series), id absolutely love this. it would probably be my new favorite.

Great ideas man. I liked your ranking the saw traps video. Reminds me of you should do a ranking the deaths in The Final Destination franchise, maybe whenever part 6 finally comes out

Love this style of video man! I hope to,see more of these. Maybe a slight edit I would make is that I would maybe fake the death of Logan along with Dr. Lawrence Gordon and keep Logan around in the shadows as an emergency option to continue his legacy if everything went up in flames. Faking Logan’s death would also be a good explanation as to why he hadn’t involved himself in the series sooner.

This is a pretty good pitch. It is neat that it shows Johns Hypocrisy with his motives, and it had a good story that has both Amanda and Hoffman working together. The ending with Logan and Gordon being there was great as well. I do want to add that I think the story would probably have to take place either before the events of the gas house in 2 or it takes place after 2 and takes place before 3 and 4 since the events of Saw 3 and 4 took place on April 28th, 2006. Because there was a 6 month gap after 2 and that was also the date on the papers that the police got that is related to Rigg. Logan went to the military from May 2003 to July 2005 and was freed from being held captive during the war on May 2005 and during that time Logan was getting treatment from what happened after he was freed from being captured and he was released under his own recognizance on August 9th 2006 as it was said on Logan's report in Jigsaw So, it would either be July, August or September 2005 that this could take place in.

Brilliant concept!

I'm just glad it's actually happening! I was hoping it would! So much potential for this! I loved Saw X And omg you have great ideas here 💀

To be on the tenth film without a reboot and have it be a banger is an absolute marvel imo. You'd be hard pressed to find another horror franchise with that accomplishment.

I need this now!

Somebody needs to see this!

I love this idea!!!

This is an amazing story, hope what we get is half rewarding as this was

Love this idea Cody! I wouldn’t change any of your idea at all. The only thing to maybe help the Gordon/Hoffman plot hole I think would be to establish some type of a friendship between them. Have some sort of foreshadowing conversation between them, that we know doesn’t hold up in the end. Which would justify Hoffmann shock and pissed reaction in 3D. That would have to be more for saw 12 but I think it could work

Omg Cody! That is fucking brilliant! I need to see that movie! I got goosebumps as you got into your reveals! Now I’m gonna be forever bummed knowing I won’t see it lol. Bravo bud!

I really hope they keep what made Saw X so special for XI. I love all the films and the traps but it was nice to get that breathe of fresh air

Really great ideas. Would love for this to happen.

Anyone ever tell you that you should be writing for Hollywood Cody? Because man, you come up with some wildly great ideas. 💡👍

Great video. Me personally as long as they focus on John Kramer as a character like in saw x I'll be happy. Can't believe it took as long as it did to get a movie solely around John but that's obviously what the fans want.

Cody you get my vote for you being a Hollywood writer!

This pitch is absolute genius.

I enjoyed your pitch. Piggybacking off of your idea about the dynamic between Gordon and Hoffman, I think it would be interesting to pay an homage to the OG Saw film by having Gordon be the voice on Hoffman's tape, sort of paralleling the disorienting nature of Adam and Lawrence being chained in the bathroom together and Dr. Gordon speaking to Adam in the dark, setting the games in motion (the ones we were aware of at least). Cary Elwes has an epic voice and I'd love to see that happen. It could still be Kramer who runs the game but he gives liberty to Gordon to give the instructions to Hoffman's test.

I LOVED IT!

Great content! Pitch Wars... pitch: You act as moderator (live or otherwise) and you bring on two guests with a prepared movie pitch?? Just an idea!... first one could be Bryan pitches a F13 movie and CP pitches a Critters movie, just to throw them for a loop and so they can "improve" the respective series'..

I LOVE THIS IDEA!! buttt i personally think amanda would be way more loyal than hoffman

Wouldn’t mind seeing more videos like this

Love this type of video.

This needs to happen this way. Amazing ideas here

What I would love to happen at the post credit scene of your “trilogy” would be have a character in the last one that is related to Cecilia enter and at the end show Dr Gordon put a key behind hes eye, revealing him to be the guy in the Venus fly trap in saw 2. There for tying it into saw 2 directly

Great ideas!

Let Cody cook that would be cinema if SAW XI turned out like this

This is sick as fuck, this could easily be one of the best in the franchise. My only gripe I'd have with this plot would be that it takes place months/a year later, because in Saw X John was told he only had 3 months at best to live. I do like the idea of him accepting his fate and just living out the rest of his days peacefully, until of course shit goes down, and I love the idea of showing his softer caring side towards people who are important to him

Man, I do hope that they manage to bring back Dr. Gordon by the end of this series of Saw films, but all indications are that getting Cary Elwes back on board would be a tall order. Fingers crossed! Also out of all the other characters still alive during this part of the timeline, the one other actor I'd love to see brought back is Dina Meyer as Detective Kerry. If they could flesh out her story in the same way that they fleshed out John Kramer's story in Saw 10 then that would just totally recontextualize Saw 2 and 3 in an awesome way. Your idea is really solid aside from one factor. I am pretty sure that Saw 2 takes place about six months after Saw 1, and then Saw 3 takes place another six months after the second movie. So you either condense the timeline so that Saw 11 takes place either like three months max after Saw 10 or you set Saw 11 sometime between Saw 2 and 3.

This is honestly really good, I think the only issue I truly have is that a story that focuses on John Kramer's philosophy and him having to decide whether or not he is morally right with his vigilante justice would interfere with the other films. Is the idea that John Kramer would actually change his mind and realize that his games are terrible (which would then make the subsequent films kind of odd after that revelation), or would he decide that "Hey, I can keep doing these games as long as I keep in touch with my true philosophy" (which he does not do in Saw III, as most of those traps were unfair and outright left survival in the hands another person, rather than the key to survival being left with the victim of the trap). Overall, while the lesson for John is great, the message is going to lost due to the presence of the other installments that would chronologically come after.

Hey @CodyLeach, Ik this is off topic but where did you get those blu ray shelves behind you?

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Cool idea

“LET CODY COOK”

Would love to see more pitch wars tbh

I swear on my cat I was thinking about this very thing the other day and thought John needs to be the subject with Cecilia at the helm somehow. This would be such a fresh take on an otherwise obvious storyline

A think a cool idea would be is for them to do a “Halloween” type concept. Saw X was a direct sequel to the first Saw so treat this like a new timeline.

Great pitch! I feel like saw 11 will be close to it!

Cody Sir your the man it's not too late at least I hope and they should definitely use your idea because your version of Saw 11 is absolutely brilliant but we know it's not gonna happen I wish it would but we'll have to wait until the next movie and see your idea is brilliant great review keep up up great work Sir

Great pitch. I was thinking about what i wanted the plot to be about when it got announced and my first thought was i wanted to see john get tested by Celica. Great minds think alike

If the trilogy plays out like these pitches, it could seriously beat out Saw 1, 2, and 3 as a trilogy. I really want to see all of the apprentices work together.

Would really like a movie with all his apprentices for sure and that would make Jigsaw a little more connected with Logan showing up up in that movie, brilliant pitch for sure

Really neat concept! After absolutely loving Saw X, I’m really interested to see what they end up doing with Saw XI regardless of the direction they take. Personally, though, I really liked the potential of an anthology-style format that Spiral kinda set up with its concept of “The Book of Saw,” and I’d love to see that explored more in the future as well. My own personal concept for the next film in that series would be a more overtly noir-influenced story called “Checkmate,” where another Jigsaw-inspired serial killer is offing influential political and law enforcement figures (who all represent various chess pieces, hence the title) for their participation in a cover-up surrounding a major crime from years ago to escape mounting political pressure and/or receive some sort of personal gain. I also think that between the killer of that movie, Schenk from Spiral and potentially even Logan in Jigsaw, that could be another good potential setup for Dr. Gordon’s return to the franchise as the true successor to Jigsaw bringing hell down upon the various pretenders to the throne. I know they probably won’t explore the Book of Saw concept any further given Spiral’s overall poor commercial performance and reputation among the fans (despite me personally liking it as a flawed but interesting new direction for the series), but I really hope they don’t just let it die, because I think there’s so much to be done there once the Saw X series concludes.

this whas a very very nice pitch pretty good story aswell to unfold more of whats missing lovely i like it loads. you might be on to something.we are all in a game called the waiting game. wait or die, make your choice

I still can’t believe it took them 10 movies to finally make a great saw movie!

This idea for Saw 11 is sick! I can imagine Doctor Gordon saving the day for sure. (I think Logan if overseas though?) I can also see the 4 of them placing Cecilia in a trap at the film's conclusion, but Amanda let's her die by making the trap unwinnable. I imagine Ceceilia is being dragged towards a death machine, and she has to saw through her arm/wrist to escape. Amanda however removes the saw from Cecilia's reach. Amanda would point a gun at John as Cecilia is dragged into the trap. Like a real intense stare-off between Amanda and John with Lawrence and Mark unable to intervene (given her emotional state). This would be the Amanda we see in Saw 3 who is a complete mess. This is also why John shapes a game around Amanda having to keep someone alive.

Bring back pitch wars loved it.

Dude, this is a brilliant fucking pitch. Well thought out. As a matter of fact John facing a family member of one of his victims would explain why he would do the game in Saw 3 with Jeff facing the people responsible for killing his son.

I think Dr Gordon would be a nice twist at some point

This movie could also be John and Amanda vs Hoffman because Hoffman could question how John going after these people goes against what he taught him "It can never be personal."

Love this idea for future videos! I’d be interested in hearing your story for a new Elm Street remake!

FUCK. this is incredible. I would love this so much.