David can’t because he has a couple of friends involved in the scam business. MLMs should just be made illegal. They are pure trash.

@KG, there are a few that are OK, but never hear about them.

@@alinatamashevich3354 For example?

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He's obviously got some friends or business partners doing Amway or something. He's been tying himself into knots trying to distinguish between "good MLM opportunities" and "bad MLMs" for as long as he's been doing his show, and all he does is undermine his credibility.

Yeah he really dances around the topic whenever they're brought up. They're all predatory and there's way better job opportunities in the world, especially ones that don't make you pay to join lol

They’re not against MLMs. They’ve said this repeatedly

The problem with MLMs is that people sign up thinking they're going to make their living by selling the product, when actually, you make the money by recruiting and training other salespeople in your downline. It's a totally different skillset.

@@ASimoneau That's also what makes it a pyramid scheme. You're recruiting salespeople below you, who then recruit other salespeople below them, who then recruit other salespeople people below them, and so on. Why? Cause the commissions are earned as a percentage of both your immediate downline, and a percentage of each downline below that. So the goal ends up being to build a big downline to maximize commission. As for sales, very little retail and the sales likely 1) sales to maintain rank and/or 2) to load up on "garage certified" inventory cause that's what your upline wanted.

I really think ypu should consider leaving her otherwise you will be a pauper

So true! lol

This kind of behavior shows such incredibly bad judgement I can't say I disagree.

I had a similiar spouse. The divorce cost me (and her ) 200 grand. We are upper middle class so not really rich. Anyway, i feel free and i really think i am in a better financial position. Our son committed suicide. So her idiocy cost us him ,too. But life moves on. Enjoy your conference. It will cost you everything.

Divorce is way cheaper too. 😂

Or a $10 self help book (or free at the library)

Yes hahHhaah😊

I know someone who makes 100k + doing this but that’s ONLY because she knew the owner!

@@Uhhlaneuh it pays to be in the group on the top of the pyramid scheme...

@@Uhhlaneuh Your friend is scamming people.

@@Uhhlaneuh that’s because she is one of the first to joined and Recluted. These people make money out of the disgrace of others.

@@marjoriebaut7981 no, I’m saying because of her connection to the ceo.

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Your wife's friend failed high school geometry, didn't she? 😆

this is incredible 🤣🤣🤣

Good grief 😂

my mother in law says the same thing...has always been doing mlms and never realizes she loses money 😢

AGREED!! Best solution. Shy of divorce. It is very easy for the none “working” (income earning) spouse to sabotage the efforts of the “income earning” spouse. Investment into this business must be from income she earns.

I had a neighbor do that with his wife in the 90s. She got a job then became involved with this overpriced açaí juice in a pretty wine bottle that was some type of miracle drink. Realized it was too much effort and all of the money from her job was going to this pyramid scheme instead of making and saving money. She also noticed people were beginning to avoid her over this.

Yep. Sad thing is she could still use Alimony to suck his life’s earnings

Sadly, they do have two kids. Twin 17yr old sons that are college bound next year. Its a horrific situation even without the mlm crap.

U Haul is your friend.

He has a friend that owns a MLM, I forgot the name. - At least he mentioned that _some_ are like a cult. They are: they brainwash the associates to spend money. you are only one training away from making it. I disagree, the wife might not be motivated by greed. Just that she _can_ make it, be successful, have sales and a team and a nice car to show for. MLM's are very good in convincing their associates that it is _their_ fault, if they are not succeeding. They are too lazy, not disciplined enough, if only they would follow the recipe (which of course includes expensive courses and buying up and stocking whatever crap they sell. So they will meet monthly targets.

its 2023, unless you are in medical/engineering an undergrad degree does not by any means guarantee a job anymore

@@defaultname7685it’s 2023 you don’t need a degree to get a job

I agree! Went with another couple a zillion years ago. Everything so expensive and doesn't work. The couple filed for bankruptcy once for sure.

I am sickened by all those chemicals and scents. Fortunately Trader Joe’s sells dish liquid with a mild scent that’s from natural ingredients, All makes a Free & Clear detergent, and Clorox now makes a Free & Clear multi-surface spray which is an EPA Safer Choice product.

@@josephinegrech8438 I have found that people who sell Amway have never mopped a floor, washed any dishes, or know how to turn on a washing machine. If you did any of those things, you would know that Amway doesn't work. I don't think Dave has ever done any of those things either.

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"Many pay their (...) as debit cards." Better than debit cards... there are interest and rewards as well!

"MLMs are WORSE (...) of the month." Of course they are... what could possibly be bad about the latter?

I would be willing to bet that MLM works for those who actually have sales skills. I believe that the MLM marketing tries to make a person believe they have sales skill w/o ever having tested that out before in their lives. If someone I knew wanted to go into MLM, I would advise them to buy a little of some other type of product and sell that product first before they consider MLM because the skill should be there before you make a huge financial commitment. If they say "What about college? Don't people make a huge financial commitment with education?" Okay, you got a point there but the smart move with education is to pay for education debt free because you don't know the future.

@JungoJerry, ask if the whole idea is to recruit new people.

I guess that's a good reason why she's an ex now...that's just ridiculous. MLMs are not great.

Now you have a great first date question! 😂

​@@dr.aasiyahghazi9168it is sad but they brainwash people

some people have bad intuitions... based on things like greed...

I was in a restaurant once and overheard a couple of middle aged scumbags trying to entice the server to get involved in some MLM. They really wanted that $349 from her and would say anything. I ended up making sure I warned her off before I left.

@@grayandgray you have a reward in heaven.. God Bless You for warning them!

She’s clearly imagined a life without him and is perfectly fine with it

This only in the instance of abuse or addiction should an ultimatum be given. In this case, joining an MLM is like getting addicted to a drug, if anyone is going to give an ultimatum, it should be him.

Yup, joining a MLM is no different than joining a cult. He needs to cut his losses and run.

So true every woman want to be a social media influencer & not a wife or mother

Women have made it loud and clear they want nothing to do with actually being what they were made to be: wives and mothers.

@@roolyfe Yes, "every woman" because you know every single one on earth. And many men don't attempt the same. 🙄 What a comment. SMH

@@roolyfe Every woman is a generalization, but I know what you’re saying. It really is A L O T.

​@@nadiar.7788 Women like this make it so hard to have a discussion about anything because they obsess about the less than 1% outliers and refuse to acknowledge what everyone knows to be the case 99% of the time

Boss babe , chasing a dream, or a nightmare.

They definitely target under employed women like military wives too, it’s very predatory

Sounds like feminism in a nutshell 😂

Because some people who work it can make a living. Most don't , it takes crazy hours and work.

She's been brainwashed and indoctrinated already. She'll leave him before giving up her MLM. She is in a cult.

Dr Baloney is a scumbag man hater, dude never holds women accountable. Guys is the biggest joke on the show.

Did your friend ever mop a floor? Clean a toilet? Do a load of laundry? If he did, he would not have promoted Amway.

I never heard that either, thank goodness. But Dave said it was like 15 years ago and I've only been in it for 6 years. I bet I could ask around and see if anyone who has been in the company longer than that remembers anything about this. But yeah I never heard that and I do not have any connection to any leaders in Mary Kay who would recommend that. Our seminars with hotels and flights aren't even CLOSE to being $10,000, either. They put on a HUGE show for all of us and provide us with high-quality training and it's only a little over $200 for entry for 4 days. Hotel flights etc are all extra of course but you get a cheap flight, you split your hotel room, you can go to Mary Kay Seminar on a budget, probably like $1,000-1,500. I could not imagine going $10,000 into debt for training. Weekly meetings with directors are free to $5 a week. Calls with your director are free. Training videos are free. The local career conferences are $100 for a weekend plus one night in a hotel (that again you can split with people). There is no excuse for charging $10,000 for that stuff.

100% agree!

I do not agree with divorcing over this. People are ridiculous. If you say that because in the course of marriage this is nothing. You, never get married, you love money way to much.

A colleague at work committed suicide after his wife put them in bankruptcy 3 times. At age 70. Having worked a BlueCollar career his entire adult life with nothing to show for it. He blew his brains out. ​@@advancedchiropractic667

Wow how sad

I'd be out. They clearly have no money if they can only come up with $3k for this "investment"....and they're likely broke because of the wife's decisions making and 4 years of work for $0. If a partner says my way or the highway on something like this, i'm taking the highway every time. I work way too hard for a stupid wife to keep me broke.

MLN's and pyramid schemes are two different things. You did speak too soon.

@@pep590the only difference between an mlm and a pyramid scheme is plausible deniability. MLMs can at least say they have a product/service to sell... but rarely do people doing MLMs actually sell that product outside their upline/downline. The name of the game in MLM is to continually build/replenish your downline (convert any customers to "team members")... hence, they're pyramid schemes.

As someone who was sucked into it for years, you're 1000% right.

@@PickFreedomKCP ugh. Sorry it happened but happy for you now. Were you stalked at a store or did a friend get you in? Were you stuck at hours long pitches?! So many questions! There are 2 really good podcasts that cover mlms but also amyway, sounds like mlm but ok and the dream. Horror stories ive heard and read! Have you seen - on becoming a god in central florida? Check that series out!

Seems like she’s planned for it already. She can still use child support $$$, and alimony to suck him dry.

She probably wants an exit plan