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LOL! Excuses. Excuses! Lillee was only good in Oz and England. Doctored wickets my behind! Go check Marshall or Imran’s stats on those pitches around the same time.

@@raheelakhtar7 No they were doctored. They were renowned for it. It's not as though it's just my opinion. It favoured their batsmen. Certainly extraordinary batsmen like Gavaskar and Abbas were exceptions, and succeeded everywhere. Most others' stats were boosted on Subcontinental pitches and they were soon found out.

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That would mean Lilee would be like Wilt chamberlain.

Dennis lilee is overrated.

@@rtms9092 Viv Richards and Ian Botham both say Lillee was the best fast bowler they faced. Think thats pretty decent praise

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same here

Check his stats in subcontinent. Rock bottom. He got 3 wickets in 3 tests and went wicketless in 5 innings !

@@danishmuhammad7389 ah that tired old argument. Take a look at the figures of the other quick bowlers in that series. Apart from Imran they weren't impressive and there were a tonne of runs scored on the roads that passed for pitches back then. Other than that tour, Australia hardly played in the Subcontinent the entire time DK played test cricket.

adam872 : my argument is just that you have to perform in unfriendly conditions to be the great

@@danishmuhammad7389 and that's a reasonable view, but some of his greatest performances were on unfriendly surfaces, like the perennially flat track at Adelaide (9 tests, 45 wickets at 26) or the dog pile that was the MCG in the 70's and 80's (14 tests, 82 wickets at 21) or even the traditionally spin friendly SCG (8 tests, 43 wickets at 24). He also bowled well in the West Indies during WSC (5 tests, 23 wickets at 28) in a series with three draws. Yes he did well in helpful conditions, but he was also good in unhelpful conditions too.

@@danishmuhammad7389 In fairness the pitches for that series were desperately flat even for the sub-continent specifically to minimise Lillee’s effectiveness as they knew how devastating he could be.

In fairness Boycott also made a few runs against him as well

Love listening to Boycott talk cricket he know the game

I heard that Lillee found him the most difficult to bowl at.

​@@kennedysan1045As it goes, Lillee has always said that he thought John Edrich, the left handed England opening bat was the most difficult batsman he bowled to. He also mentioned that Edrich was past his best by the time he played against him, giving him even more credit as a consequence. Dennis said that he couldn't remember ever bowling to someone who had more ability to judge where his off stump was as a result making him exceptional at knowing what to play and what to leave alone.

Still hitting 155.7km/h at that time. Magnificent sight. Best action of them all. The Rolls Royce.

Lillee was a god in the late 1970's, early 80's... He was the greatest fast bowler of them all. The only players I would compare to him as a match winner were Shane Warne and Sachin Tendulkar.

@@carlmarks8170 Viv ??? Tendulkar not exactly..

Richard Hadlee

I would substitute Akram for Marshall. He was the only bowler who was equal to Lillee in my opinion.

That's a wonderful image of the great man at 1.00 jumping into his delivery stride.

Your right mate a blemish on a great career. Disappointing

Lillee should have received a lengthy ban for that disgusting behaviour. I went off him after that.

DK and JR didn't bowl to 6 men behind square leg. And Larwood was crucified by his own country.

Larwood was ruthless with or without Jardines leadership ..the deadliest fast bowler ever. As Bradman once said. holding a cricket ball ..Larwood can propel this at 100 mph.

He only bowled in 1 innings in the West Indies and that was with a back problem. He played one series of 2 tests in Pakistan on wickets specifically prepared to make him ineffective.

No West Indies bowler did any better in Australia than Holding. Holding came the closest and is the very best in many arguments. But the difference is I'm Australian and so is D.K. Get it mate. D.K. Lillie changed everything cricket with a bit of help from his teammates.

@@MGTOW222 Mate Are U on Steriods???? Malcolm Marshall Got over 40 wickets in 10 test matches In Aus,How Can u Say That,And Andt roberts and Garner Too bowl well,But Marshall stoods Apart,. As Far as Dennis Lilee,He is a champion fast bowler the Man who i never saw back down,Always Go for wickets,Tremndous Bowler,But As far as Greatest ever is Concerned Malcom Marshall is Best ever The Dennis.

Absolutely. Lillee didn't tour England in the English summer of 1977 after his herculean effort in the Centenary Test in March, and Thomson really was never the same bowler after colliding with Alan Turner near mid on from a pull shot from Zaheer on Christmas eve 1976.

@@nyosito too right,2 for not many if I remember.too take thommo on the 85 tour didn't help no one except to get his 200 wicket.the selectors stuffed him around...I certainly would have had him on the I'll fated west indies tour under Kim Hughes in early 84,and for the summer his experience would have helped ,and dispite his shoulder did he not go well in the wi in 1978,where he was vice captain,and the 82/83 against England...let's not forget the 1979 fast bowler comp...washed up no,but not given the right chances..not a swinger or a nipperler of a green pitch and cloudy Yorkshire Sky.

@@roybennett6330 Nahhaa..Boycs can smack Lillee all over the place if he wants...This man has a test 100 against Andy Roberts, Michael Holding, Joel Garner and Collin Croft at 41...speaks a lot about the man..great player.

@@kunalsingh3121 the thing you or Boycott would smack about are your dicks, Boycott was chicken shit scaered of Thommo and Lillie and wouldn't face them at their peaks

Fair comment. It's not easy for players raised on fast hard pitches. Conversely, Murali was pedestrian on Australian wickets. Watchful batsmen seemed unbothered by him.

phoarey : yes Aussies have great record against him even in srilanka. They are most organised players of spin outside asia

He was ill though, during that tour. And he went to World Series Cricket, so didn't tour Asia again. But think about it...... In only 70 Tests, he took 355 wickets. The sheer amount he got in only 70 Tests, is breathtaking. Only Fred Trueman can match him, with 307 wickets in 56 Tests. Lillee is a true great.

Lone Star : he was great in friendly conditions. Stats don't reflect 100% of the talent

If only you were there to see him bowl.

Rubbish. Dr. Grace does not belong on that list. Well known and documented bully, standover man, and cheat. Not to mention rubbish technique. Would have been found out by any Test bowler since 1900.

He picked 24 wickets in 5 supertests in 1979 that were played in West Indies and was leading wicket taker from both sides..Only played 4 innings in Asia and surfaces were so terrible that all pacers got whacked to all parts of square..In Faislabad test not even 10 wickets in total fall for 5 days...Ultimate disgrace.

@@kunalsingh3121 whatever the case may be, it means he cannot be regarded on the same level as Steyn, akram, Marshall, McGrath etc. who have similar records but have succeeded across the world.

@@BinaryRex18 He is in same league as any of the bowler of last 50 odd years and he along with Wasim are only bowlers that bamoozled batsman and made them look clueless and missed 6 balls in a over not even Marshall that often.. Marshall and co don't have to bowl at Greenidge, Haynes and Viv perhaps best top 3 ever in top nut test cricket which Dennis has to....You can't simply say whatever if there is no meaningfull sample size to consider it Dennis has better records on less spicy pitches like Oval, Adelaide infact his worst test record is at WACA where he avg 28 a piece......Even in those 4 innings he played in Pakistan he played with a back brace and was suffering from serious health conditions. Imran Khan just didn't bowl in several innings as that was waste of time on those surfaces. He is indeed top echelon of fast bowlers and one of the very best.

@@kunalsingh3121 still, it's a big hole in his record. Would we consider tendulkar so great if he scored no runs in Australia or SA? Also, great fast bowling is not just about bowling 6 different balls in an over. It's also about consistency, cleverness, which McGrath Steyn and barnes did better than any other pacer.

@@BinaryRex18 Well you are simply comparing apples and oranges...Tendulkar toured Aus six times and Sa too several times...Did Dennis toured Asia that often and failed ??? Hell no..Stats are not end all and be all they are misleading at times...And he didn't skipped tours their was only one Indian tour at the time in 1979 when he was still banned due to Packer...,,,He never let anyone apart from Viv to dicate him terms like even not top tier ATG batter did to Steyn multiple times in a series...Steyn is hardly best South African pacer let alone best ever Allan Donald was simply a beast and never let anyone dicate terms to him not even Lara and Tendulkar or Ponting..,,,How many wickets Steyn picked in India in 2015 dustbowls ???? Mcgrath was top class but not a complete fast bowler by any means...Not many in their right sense of mind will put him in leagues of Lillee, Marshall and Akram...Steyn even got whacked by Clarke in 2012 who wasn't a ATG by Youngish Kohli and Pujara in 2013,...,Warner in 2014 and many many others.. Stats are junks...Ask any great batter of 90s who was best they came across and they will name Wasim without any second thoughts even Ambrose or Donald.... Similary all greats of 80s rate Lillee as best they ever came across...Those who have serious reason to hate him are united on his mastery...Gavaskar in hus book idols begins his chapter on Dennis and wrote ''Dennis is the greatest fastman i came across...Miandad rated him best ever....Viv Richards, Garry Sobbers, All West Indian bowlers who don't toss it around that often said him as finest of that age did speak a lot about his greatness... And beating a high class batsman on 6 balls did speak a lot about mastery of the bowler and Lillee and Wasim did it consistently as anyone...

abhishek taparia bit hard to take wickets in places you don't play in ya fkn pelican

why would any one play in the subcontinent before neutral umpires

Dennis hardly played in the subcontinent and Windies - according to stats he played three tests in Pakistan and a total of 100 overs (and that too with some health issues - dysentry) and took three wickets. And he played one test in W'indies and bowled thirty overs taking no wickets. His average of 90 in these conditions is directly due to the fact that he hardly played there (his total bowling numbers there is 130 overs and three wickets which is not great but not terrible either). Had he played twenty test matches or more in these conditions and still averaged 90 then your point is valid. But given the small sample size you can't really comment on a player of his stature. If you really want to look at a player who was bang average and a home track bully then look at Virender Sehwag's overseas average - his average in South Africa is 25; his average in New Zealand is 20; his average in England is 27. A combined total of 19 Tests in these three countries (where he scored only one century and one half-century) and yet there are people who think he was a world class opener. The man couldn't handle the moving ball cause his feet hardly moved.

Rubbish. He took a truckload against the mighty West Indies. Champion fast bowler, the greatest of all-time.

Back in Lillee's days Australia rarely toured India, Pakistan. Sri Lanka was only given test status right at the end of his career. Fact is when Lilllee played the cricket world revolved around England and Australia.

McGrath was a medium pacer as well idiot, where's your argument now...

Can you please step outside and apologise to the trees surrounding your home. They are busting a gut providing the oxygen that you are currently stealing.

@@darrenjpeters Correct, medium-fast or fast-medium, you choose, like the guy who has recently overtaken McGath on number of Test wickets taken, the king of swing Jimmy Anderson

In that series against Pakistan the 1st test was a dust bowl, Sarfraz Nawaz took 0 wickets and the spinners on both sides took virtually all the wickets. The next 2 pitches were roads designed to result in draws which they did. The top 3 bowlers in that series were spinners. stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=228;type=series

@@analcommando1124 Subcontinental pitches were doctored to hell in those days. 5 Tests, when he was under the weather, wee nothing to go on. Lillee only went to WI for a test series once, in 1973 and that's where he broke down and was out for 18 months. People do forget how quick he was before his injury, but he was timed at 155 after it - slower than Thommo, faster than everyone else.