0:00 : Sonic Adventure (DC) 0:19 : F-Zero X (N64) 0:23 : Waverave 64 (N64)(In the background) 0:30 : Contra (NES) 0:33 : Genie Hero Wataru (魔神英雄伝ワタル) (PC Engine) 0:48 : Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon (N64)(Bottom left), Super Puzzle Fighter II (Top right), Super Mario All Stars (SNES)(Bottom right) 1:23 : Alisia Dragoon (GENESIS) 1:35 : IN THE HUNT (PS1) 1:59 : Monster in My Pocket (NES) 2:15 : Starfox 64 (N64) 2:23 : Super Adventure Island (SNES) 2:42 : Waverave 64 (N64) 2:49 : Super Star Wars (Triology)(SNES) 2:54 : Contra: Hard Corps 3:33 : Journey to Silius (NES) 3:36 : Ninja Spirit (TurboGrafx-16) 3:51 : Tales of Symphonia (PS2/GC) 3:58 : Timesplitters 2 (PS2) 4:11 : Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring (PS1) 4:42 : Final Fantasy Origins (PS1) 5:10 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES) 5:36 : Grind Stormer (Arcade)(Unsure, it looks very similar, but a few things are off) 5:45 : Puzzle Fighter 2 (PS1) 5:52 : Kid Niki: Radical Ninja (NES) 6:22 : Gaiares (GENESIS) 7:06 : Parasol Stars: The Story of Bubble Bobble III (パラソルスター) (PC Engine) 7:25 : El Viento (GENESIS) 7:35 : Legend of Dragoon (PS1) 7:44 : Sonic The Hedgehog (GENESIS) 7:51 : Blaster Master (NES) 8:05 : Shining Force (1 or 2)(GENESIS) 8:15 : Nights into Dreams (Dreamcast) 8:19 : F-Zero X (N64) 8:30 : Bonk's Adventure (GENESIS) 8:41 : Darkwing Duck (NES) 8:53 : Psycho Fox (Master System) 9:06 : The Legend of Zelda: Ocorina of Time (N64) 9:37 : (Same as 9:06) 10:10 : Gauntlet Legends (N64) 10:08 : Super Star Soldier (TurboGrafx-16) 10:22 : Super Mario Bros 3 (NES) 10:50 : Clash at Demonhead (NES) 11:33 : Saga Frontier (PS1) 11:56 : Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time (SNES) 12:06 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk6cm4/snes199x_snes_rpg/ 12:20 : Aladdin (SNES) 12:37 : Sin And Punishment (N64) 12:54 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1) 13:28 : F-Zero (SNES) 13:52 : Felix the Cat (NES) 14:23 : Metroid Prime (GameCube) 14:51 : Soul Calibur 2 (GC,PS2,XBOX) 15:46 : Einhänder (PS1) 15:58 : Super Monkey Ball (Gamecube) 16:20 : Dragon Quest VIII - Journey of the Cursed King (PS2) 16:41 : Illbleed (DreamCast) 17:08 : Jet Force Gemini (N64) 17:30 : Wario's Woods (NES) 17:51 : Ristar (GENESIS) 18:02 : Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu (NES) 18:11 : Lester the Unlikely (SNES) 18:20 : Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon (PS1) 19:00 : MediEvil (PS1) 19:46 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk726v/ps1199x_ps1_platformer/ 20:04 : The Battle of Olympus (NES) 20:10 : Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin (GENESIS) 20:15 : Cruis'n Exotica (N64) 20:23 : Resident Evil 1 Remake (GameCube) 20:56 : Rastan (Master System) 21:02 : Katamari Damacy (PS2) 21:22 : Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (NES) 21:29 : Comix Zone (GENESIS) 21:34 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES) 21:50 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1) Credit goes to: Me (DWD) Special thanks goes to these Reddit users from r/tipofmyjoystick u/MagicalHopStep u/Holt12345 u/Delition u/SuperD00perGuyd00d u/WeepingIWillow u/thenerfviking PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES!
@RallyLancer954 жыл бұрын
Nights into Dreams is a Saturn game not Dreamcast
@twizz4203 жыл бұрын
Wave Race 64 not Waverave, and *Ocarina* of Time, not Ocorina
@CowVersion9.033 жыл бұрын
5:36 is DonPachi on the PS1
@jonathanhanson-casey17434 жыл бұрын
i wish u guys would start putting the game name in the bottom of the frame when u show a game would be awsome thankxz for the vids guys
@badreality24 жыл бұрын
Don't you like the mystery?
@louis14434 жыл бұрын
badreality2 no
@TheKonamiMan4 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea
@ValkyrieTiara4 жыл бұрын
One game in particular that they've used a lot over the years is Drill Dozer on the GBA. I always thought it looked so good and so fun and it took me forever to find the name! I do like that at the very least they put basic music credits at the end of the video, but footage credits in a top or bottom corner or at the end sorted by console would also be amazing.
@TroutButter4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this would help in identifying a game we may not be familiar with that looks good.
@brianwagner84244 жыл бұрын
I can shed some light on the 7.5 IRE stuff and why it all looks dark on your screens! IRE is a measurement of brightness in an analog video signal. The brighter the color, the higher the IRE. In NTSC-M, which is the type of NTSC we use in the states, we define 100 IRE as being pure white, and 7.5 IRE as being pure black. NTSC-J, which is the type of NTSC used in Japan, also uses 100 IRE for pure white, but they use 0 IRE for pure black. This means that Japanese NTSC video has slightly better dynamic range than elsewhere in the world. However, this means that if you connect an NTSC-M device (Say a U.S. NES) to an NTSC-J monitor, your picture will look washed out, as nothing will be actually black. The 7.5 IRE setting seems to be darkening the picture to account for that. How good the Koryuu is at that conversion is unknown to me. If you read online about using Japanese electronics on US TVs (or the other way around), lots of people just say to change the brightness or contrast, and that might be all the Koryuu is doing; I don't know. However, changing brightness and contrast isn't a proper solution. NTSC-M and NTSC-J both use 100 IRE as white, and changing the contrast or brightness to the whole image would fix the blacks, but clip the whites (as they would jump up to 107.5 IRE, which is no good). To properly convert the signal, you'd need to change the brightness exponentially; the most in the shadows, some in the mid tones, a tiny bit in the highlights, and not at all at pure white. If the Koryuu is doing that proper conversion, that's a very slick trick! However, since you are using the Koryuu with NTSC-M monitors, when that setting is on, it's sending an overly darkened signal, resulting in the bad picture you saw. This whole thing is made much more complicated by the fact that modern digital monitors, even those in the states, can go darker than 7.5 IRE, and brighter than 100 IRE. Brightness on a digital display isn't measured in IRE, but rather on a scale of 0-255 (at least for 8 bit monitors). 0 being the darkest the TV can go and 255 being full brightness. On a properly calibrated digital display, 7.5 IRE is equivalent to 16, and 100 IRE is equivalent 235. However, PCs can output from 0-255. This is why modern TVs almost always have a setting for "Limited range" and "full range". Some TVs call this "Limited and enhanced" or "Standard and PC" or something along those lines. When set to Limited, the TV treats everything below 16 (remember, that's equivalent to 7.5 IRE) as pure black, resulting in a muddy image if your signal contains details below that threshold. With your Koryuu + OSSC setup, you could probably set that 7.5 IRE setting on, set the OSSC to full range, and set your TV to full range, and those details would be restored in the picture, although it would still be improperly dark. TLDR: The 7.5 IRE setting on the Koryuu is for playing American video games on a Japanese monitor. Source: I own an audio-video preservation and archiving company.
@Izquierda4 жыл бұрын
It's also worth adding that professional monitors like the PVMs MLIG uses have menu settings to select either 0 or 7.5 IRE for video/composite and YC inputs. This option is likely not available in most consumer CRTs though.
@rickylovesyou4 жыл бұрын
Jesus Brian, use more paragraphs. That was a slog to get through on a phone screen. Thanks for the info though.
@Knightmessenger3 жыл бұрын
Tell me more about your company.
@MrMario20114 жыл бұрын
A lot of great information to know here! I've thought of getting the RetroTINK-2X from time to time, but never really took the plunge. I actually didn't know it couldn't handle 480p input, unfortunately.
@hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg5383 жыл бұрын
the new one can
@harmleyten43 жыл бұрын
@@hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg538 Which one is the new one?
@flashuser7773 жыл бұрын
@@harmleyten4 The 2X-Multiformat
@harmleyten43 жыл бұрын
@@flashuser777 yep i have it now, it works great
@metfan4l4 жыл бұрын
You guys deserve way more subscribers.
@masterlee19884 жыл бұрын
Yeah, their content is great and well informative.
@jamiegwhite304 жыл бұрын
Better production quality than most TV shows these days! Good looks boys!
@Kaceydotme4 жыл бұрын
Very excited for my 2X-Pro to come in. It might not be the endgame of quality video, but it's a hell of a lot better than the $30 all-in-one cables or, god forbid, raw composite/s-video. Thanks for the video guys!
@seraph45814 жыл бұрын
YES a dedicated Composite/S-video video, thanks!
@RetroAli4 жыл бұрын
Super excited to see your takes on the new Retrotink, been thinking of getting it.
@nearvanaman4 жыл бұрын
No wonder I can't find an affordable PVM when they're all in your house.
@Cetega4 жыл бұрын
After watching your original video on the RetroTINK 2x several times and never quite making up my mind, I finally bought the Pro version about a month ago. I was already happy with it for composite use, but today the generic S-video cables I ordered just arrived, and I am shocked at what a difference they make on the SNES. Never expected unmodded original hardware to look this good on my TV! Now I just wish my NES had S-video output, heh.
@thiagotrogue4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations to the content of the channel, all the production of the video and the quality of the soundtrack leave me for hours watching, sorry my english i'm Brazilian and i'm here every day thanks.
@zdp-1894 жыл бұрын
I have my OSSC which I love for all my retro RGB mods I made or native RGB consoles and Dreamcast VGA, along with my Marantz SR5010 which is for sound, but also like how it handles and de interlaces 480i PS2 signals (along with newer component and HDMI things- OG Xbox/Wii and newer), but then there's the odd duck....my poor little Panasonic 3DO (first model). The best it has is S-video output...so for a while I was screwed until I found out about the Retro Tink 2X. It really does help round out that area (and also use it for composite Intellivsion/Atari 2600 mods I installed), thanks a ton Mike Chi!
@TheSocialGamer4 жыл бұрын
I still love the quality I get from my original Tink2X Classic. I get great quality when using in combination with the RetroTink's RGB2COMP transcoder. Really clean and sharp.
@nerdyneedsalife83153 жыл бұрын
There aren't enough videos talking about that great transcoder. I love mine to bits with my Trinitron. The Genesis looks so good.
@RickyPonPon4 жыл бұрын
Man, I've been waiting for this video! I was already really considering the RetroTink 2x when I first saw your guys' video covering it awhile ago, but as soon as I saw that the RetroTink 2x Pro was announced, I was really excited! And after seeing this video, I do think I'm going to get a RetroTink 2x Pro both for myself as well as for my friend just because he streams quite a bit. Also just to give him something nicer than a generic composite to HDMI adapter, but I am excited to give him one since at one point he said he did want to stream Super Contra with me! I'm also considering getting RetroTink's 2x SCART just to dip my toes a bit into RGB! It also helps that I'm starting to find cables for RGB output that aren't all that expensive either! Great video and I'm excited for more Analogue Frontier as well as more 200 series!
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] These devices are great for getting your feet wet with this stuff. Be warned about super cheap RGB cables though! They're usually not very well made and can have visual artifacts and audio buzz. I mean, a $10 SCART might get you started, but if you're unhappy with it and end up buying a $30 cable, you've spent $40 when you could've just spent $30 to begin with.
@RickyPonPon4 жыл бұрын
@@mylifeingaming I am aware of things like that, but I was referring to insurrection industry's Scart cables as well as RetroAccess cables in particular.
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] OK good! That's the right thing to do!
@SuukiDesu4 жыл бұрын
I just had SIX ADS IN A ROW. We are literally back to the days of watching regular TV now
@ExtremeReviewer1014 жыл бұрын
Look up a Chrome or Firefox extension called "Adnauseum". Just activate the three switches when you first install the application, and adjust from there in the settings. After that, you won't have to deal with ads anymore. Just remember to install it as a Dev package, or activate dev mode in chrome browsers when installing it. Because they have removed it from the chropme web store for 2 years now. But the website has an API file you can install or the entire github zip file package you can install when opening up the folder of the entirety of Adnauseum. When you do the zip file version, click on install add-on in the dev version, find the adnauseum chrome version unzipped, double click on the folder, then don't go into the other folders, just press add at the bottom of the window, and it'll add the program itself into your extensions. Any questions? let me know via this email: Coastermaker@yandex.com. You're welcome. As for the firefox version, just install it from the firefox web store and install it. You can also do it in the install add-on dev version of it if you choose so, but it's not needed in firefox. For chrome, yeah you'll have to go through those steps.
@masterjeff32464 жыл бұрын
The people who disliked are rf fanboys.
@RetroTechUSA4 жыл бұрын
I recognize that PVM! Great stuff
@segajcharrua4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the perfect timing of posting this.
@ScaryPurpleAmpersand4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for opening my eyes to the Koryu. I have a small trinitron that has a component input but no s-video for some reason, and now I can at least consider hooking my n64 into it.
@misterkeebler4 жыл бұрын
FWIW, I just received the Retro Access snes/n64 S-video cable yesterday, and the cabling feels very durable and the signal looks very nice and did not have noticeable noise from what I saw. It is super annoying to order because the person only takes enough orders for the week and seems to "sell out" within minutes of opening orders up on sunday mornings, but it was worth it for the wait imo.
@joe95924 жыл бұрын
Also received mine yesterday. Amazing cable no audio buzz and great picture
@PixelPhoenix4 жыл бұрын
Considering it's a store run by two people as far as I know, they get slammed with orders. They have a lot of requests to fulfill, and that doesn't include other obligations they may or may not have during the week. Their stuff is in high demand, and unfortunately they have to limit their orders. At least their store is open for an hour now, instead of five minutes. The quality is top notch though. I have a SNES cable I've been using from them, and ordered a Saturn and PS1 cable last week after seeing the results. They definitely know what they're doing.
@Reluctant_Hero4 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah, a new MLiG to watch when the beer virus has cancelled my kid’s opening day for softball. Don’t know whether to be stoked or be bummed.
@philosophicalharmonics34704 жыл бұрын
I'm just getting around to this video. I have to say, your mini presentation has cleaned up a lot since you guys started it. Love the more smooth extemporaneous delivery.
@AgentBSoD4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Wanted to mention some things talked about here. 1) I can confirm the N64 S-video cable from Retro Access is great quality. I own one and the picture is super clean. I also have one of those combo composite & s-video cables for it (says it's for the Gamecube and N64) and it's garbage. It's actually sending the composite signal through the s-video plug! You get a comic book effect of alternating pixels being solid black. 2) At least in the case of the RetroTINK-2X Classic, which I own (latest revision, 3.2), you can toggle it to output full range by holding down the top button (the one that changes between passthrough, 2x, and smoothing) while you plug in the power to it, but it will only output full range while it's on and does not retain that on power cycles. By default, as you said, it's partial range. Maybe the Pro does something like this?
@ClockworkBard4 жыл бұрын
Long live the RetroTINK-2X! I love my Framemeister and gscartsw setup, but I'd have been very happy and several hundred dollars richer if the RetroTINK existed a little sooner.
@ClockworkBard4 жыл бұрын
@A Gentleman True, the Framemeister unquestionably owns the 480i space. The sixth-generation consoles (and Wii) are gorgeous on it. I've got no regrets and definitely won't be tearing the setup down. Though since I'm spoiled with having both as an option, I'm considering moving the Genesis and maybe the Saturn over to composite and the RetroTINK.
@SteamPunk964 жыл бұрын
Ahh, always so exciting seeing a new upload, gonna save this one for tonight to relax with before bed.
@KCarubia3 жыл бұрын
I can't wait until there is a comparison video with the RetroTINK Pro and the RetroTINK Multi with it's 480p passthough. What I am most concerned about is the sacrifice that Mike had to do for the Multi's passthough hardware. I read that images are now slightly softened as a result of the new hardware locking into the vertical bilinear filter. I'm wondering if the softening of NES, SNES, and N64 composite & s-video signals is a deal breaker for wanting to play my Gamecube and PS2 480p content games. (yes I still have my GC component cable.)
@gamerstranded27053 жыл бұрын
I can vouch for the reto-tink 2x pro. Got one at release and it’s a great little piece of hardware!
@KiloMegaGigaTerra944 жыл бұрын
This video seems more natural in terms of how you guys spoke in it. It's different and I like it! Great job guys.
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] MLiG Mini is our unscripted series. Some people like it, some people don't! We'll continue doing both.
@Zion7673184 жыл бұрын
You guys did a great job at showcasing the (subtle?) differences between the RetroTink 2x Pro and the Koryuu Transcoder. I currently still occasionally use my Framemeister for certain things, but have for awhile been looking to get something that does a better job at representing Composite/S-Video signals from my older consoles, as well as having very quick "Mode" switching for games that switch video modes mid-game. I've been on the fence on whether or not to pick up a RetroTink 2x (now called the RetroTink 2x Classic), but I think that I'll be picking up a RetorTink 2x Pro when I next get payed. I agree that there are certain visual effects that are lost when playing a Sega Genesis console through anything above Composite, which will be better represented with either the RetroTink 2x Pro or the Koryuu Transcoder. Stay safe and keep the videos rolling. Cheers!
@Sinisteve4 жыл бұрын
I got the koryuu last month purely so I can ditch the 14” Philips monitor I use solely for the C64, everything else only takes RGB as I don’t have a composite card for my BVM... I must say I’m really impressed with has the C64 looks through the OSSC on the big screen, think I actually prefer it over the BVM picture😳
@TechWithSean4 жыл бұрын
I use an SD CRT, but the Retrotink looks interesting if you only have an HDTV or monitor. I’d get the Pro for the scanlines.
@masterlee19884 жыл бұрын
True, and Retrotink is also great for those who use capture cards(like me).
@samfrito4 жыл бұрын
I just picked up the Retrovision cables at the end of last year and it made a world of difference with Sega 8-bit and 16-bit. I am getting the Retrotink 2xPro very soon to enjoy NES and other systems. Its all for the further enjoyment of old systems. If a more effective way to display old composite signals comes along, lets hope they remain semi-affordable.
@healerlfg77693 жыл бұрын
Note on S-video cable makers: Insurrection Industries is producing their own S-Video cables (with their new line of SCART cables)
@Crenahs4 жыл бұрын
I am always so excited for each new video you guy s post!
@steverogers81634 жыл бұрын
I actually just got the retro-access S-Video Nintendo cable. Its good (nothing mind blowing far as I can see). I got it because the cost of the HD Retrovision component cables were simply more than I was willing to spend on some cables.
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] I mean, S-video has a ceiling on quality, for sure, but given how many BAD S-video cables are out there for Nintendo systems, we're really glad Retro Access is making them.
@steverogers81634 жыл бұрын
@@mylifeingaming yes that is true. I had looked at some my local retro store had (seems to be a white label brand as I see the same box with different names on the internet). The cables were shockingly thin and likely had no internal shielding either. I will say the biggest difference I noticed was in text. Its much crisper on S-video compared to composite.
@AirshBornely4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you touched on S-video cables. I remember making the mistake with this multi console S-video cable that had a yellow cable for composite. Glad I found a better one for my N64 now
@SuperPoopatron4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm not so lucky with mine. I pretty much have to make do with a cheap cable for the N64. It's not perfect, but because I have a PAL N64, and what I got was specifically designed for it, I don't have much choice unless I want to RGB mod it.
@eddiehimself4 жыл бұрын
"KORYUU-CHAN!"
@jd.34934 жыл бұрын
You guys are awesome! And I actually enjoy the mini content that seems less scripted more than normal episodes, although they are all good!
@Yupppi4 жыл бұрын
Hi guys! Thanks for another valuable video. I've been looking to compliment my n64 with ossc after koryuu's release without modding it, and it's nice to actually see the effects. Have you thought about uploading your videos at 4k on youtube? Doing my own videos I noticed a clear increase in quality despite the source material being 1080p when I made it 4k and uploaded to youtube. Seems like even at 1080p youtube is doing a lot of less flattering things to the video you upload. So even though your video was 1080p, uploading it at 4k makes it look better on youtube. Forces it to get around the algorithms. I'm looking forward to OSSC firmware update in the future adding some better filters for koryuu fed signals to improve the look of it. As it stands it looks like ossc's upscaler and filter are great when you have a clean signal, simply beautiful, but with those low quality signals those filters and scalers don't leave the most pleasing image. Like with Ocarina of Time sample on this video the detail and colors were much more impressive on s-video, but the image itself was more pleasing on composite. Just something to hide that noise a bit. And for n64 some kind of smoothening blur could definitely help. Or perhaps koryuu's own filters could do that? That firmware update connection looks terrible though, hopefully they'll upgrade the box to use something like OSSC's sd card system.
@OsakaSan4 жыл бұрын
By the way nice to see you again guys :)
@InertiaWasTaken4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see something new from these guys
@WDeranged4 жыл бұрын
It does annoy me when a scanline option isn't brightness corrected. Such a simple fix for an obvious problem.
@ians_parks4 жыл бұрын
Its always a good day when a new MLiG video releases.
@gleamingtv39464 жыл бұрын
Talks about devices for HD TV's but has a bunch of CRTs in the background.
@TheFrenchy824 жыл бұрын
yep.... and it's not my case.... interesting video, I'm not denying it... but I have more questions now...
@PredictableEnigma4 жыл бұрын
New to the channel? He has a crt room and an hdtv room. He has retro consoles in both rooms so he can provide info for gamers of different tv tastes
@domls13174 жыл бұрын
This the best most underrated channel of all time!!!!!
@alfredl38314 жыл бұрын
I love my Nintendo S-video cable from Retro Access.
@dage82234 жыл бұрын
as always great video I'm persanoly love s-video on saturn and ps1 more than rgb, especially in resident evil games and silent hill (can say it about almost all early polygon graphics games on every systems) on ps1 s-video image much smoother than rgb, rgb is great in 2d games, on genesis I love rgb but I love water effects in sonic games via composite the same situation with shadows in comix zone and lion kings backgrounds, so I can't say that composite and s-video give bad image
@sebastianmelendres45384 жыл бұрын
You guys need to talk about the Rad 2x plug and play upscaler for the the next MLiG Mini episode.
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] Since we don't have one, it won't be next, but we do want to look at it.
@TheExodvs3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who uses matrix switchers and breakout cables with S-Video will want to know this: The RetroTINK-2X Pro will except a color signal through the blue jack.
@cactoidpinata4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! The Koryuu is tempting. I wish it wasn't so expensive because I'd really only use it for GameCube and maybe Dreamcast at this point.
@SheepHairOG3 жыл бұрын
I feel like every kind of product like this has it's own set of benefits and drawbacks. I'm not the most well-versed on how it all works so I don't know if it'd be possible, but I wish there was just one option that had it all in one. And I mean that wouldn't necessarily kill demand for the other products, as it would obviously be more expensive. People just looking for the simplest solution would still go for the cheapest option. Personally, I just wish the OSSC supported S-Video, because the lowest quality video source I want one of these for would be an unmodded N64 and having a whole other device just for that, whether it be the RetroTINK or Koryuu, seems like too much of a bother. I do prefer the look of the Koryuu, and I think it'll get even better overtime with updates. The RetroTINK being easy to update through USB is a major advantage, though. Note: I learned immediately after typing and before posting this that the OSSC Pro will likely have S-Video and composite support, among a lot of other upgrades. Figured I'd still post the comment anyway lmao
@littleguystar4 жыл бұрын
I love seeing attempts on getting bad cables getting good quality!
@ians_parks4 жыл бұрын
Some people dont want to mod systems that dont support rgb natively
@littleguystar4 жыл бұрын
@@ians_parks I know.
@ians_parks4 жыл бұрын
@@littleguystar Misinterpreted your comment as sarcastic lol. Use to talking to assholes 😅
@ameenskywalker4 жыл бұрын
I was about to pull the trigger on the Koryu as a solution to get Svideo into my BVM (lack of y/c input card) when I saw you mentioned about incorrect fields for 480i. Guess I'll wait for them to fix that.
@PredictableEnigma4 жыл бұрын
I was hunting for a good crt to play ps2 on when my boyfriend got me an mCable as a gift instead. I think it's a cool piece of tech but I had to break it to him that it has a few too many problems for me to use it for that purpose. I think it's better just to clean up nintendo switch games than for retro stuff. What do you guys think about it?
@justanotheryoutubechannel3 жыл бұрын
Predictable Enigma Aww at least he got you something even though it wasn’t really what you wanted, hopefully it’s good for your switch use! And good luck finding a good CRT. :)
@PredictableEnigma3 жыл бұрын
@@justanotheryoutubechannel i have since found a jvc d series for 20 bucks! It needs some tuning but is amazing. I use the mcable for ps3
@TechWithSean4 жыл бұрын
12:29 the official SNES/SFC s-video cables run like $20+ on eBay, but they are worth it.
@BensyBens4 жыл бұрын
Great episode as always But what about the rgb200 episode on the dreamcast? I’m waiting for this for years
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] It will be a bit later in the year for sure, but we're committing to it being this year.
@perpetualcollapse3 жыл бұрын
Koryuu + OSSC would be amazing for plug and play consoles
@MousePounder4 жыл бұрын
Gonna be a good day now that MLiG are here!
@OsakaSan4 жыл бұрын
As the owner of a Retrotink classic, the Koryuu doesn't seen to offer exactly a great value. I guess it has its audience on the ossc user base, but it doesn't really do much for me
@misterkeebler4 жыл бұрын
It really just matters for someone scaling to 4x or 5x, and even that gets tricky with OSSC and TV compatibility. But yeah I own the 2x pro and the ossc and I'll probably just continue using the 2x pro for my composite/S-video needs. It's so much simpler to use that I try to use it over the ossc when I can. I love the 2x pros smoothing feature for early 3d titles as well.
@retrotink3394 жыл бұрын
Thanks! FWIW, it's the perfect add-on if you already own an OSSC. I think the quality of 3x/4x/5x composite is debatable, but Line5x S-video looks damn close to RGB.
@ValkyrieTiara4 жыл бұрын
If you already own an OSSC, it's cheaper than a retrotink. And if people are buying them, I say there's nothing wrong with filling that niche.
@ttvCarn4 жыл бұрын
@@ValkyrieTiara it definitely seems to be a device purely for those who want to or already own an OSSC. I wanted to able to use my NES and N64 on my big screen TV without them looking like total crap so this duo accomplishes that perfectly. Sure it's not as nice as RGB but those console mods are pretty expensive.
@ValkyrieTiara4 жыл бұрын
@@ttvCarn If all you want is to play NES and N64 games on your HD display without going RGB, I would recommend the retrotink. It's MUCH cheaper than ossc + koryuu (by about $100). But if there are other features of the OSSC that you want so you'd buy (or already have) one anyway, then yeah the koryuu is the better option.
@Yakobu904 жыл бұрын
I've been using a composite and S-video to VGA box and sending that to the OSSC. It works well and is cheaper than both.
@neozeed19844 жыл бұрын
Composite video is ok on an older crt under 20-27"( for the nes or below). Beyond that s-video is needed at the bare minimum, whether it be for a 32"+ crt or an hd display fed through the proper transcoder/upscaler. I have seen some newer 4k tvs take a composite nes signal and display it ok but didn't check the lag it took to do it. I honestly just run my nes and 2600 to a 27" consumer crt, while all other consoles go to that and also, a vga crt and a 4k samsung through the ossc.
@emmettturner94524 жыл бұрын
The Nintendo-compatible cables with composite and S-Video aren't just crappy... they're almost always wired incorrectly. They connect Chroma to CVBS. You can tell because they will work on an unmodified SNS-101 that normally doesn't support S-Video. This is why you see diagonal lines of interference wherever you see large areas of normally-solid colors. I think they did this on purpose so the same cable would appear to work with SNS-101 and PAL N64s, which lets retailers avoid returns.
@gametourny4ever6274 жыл бұрын
I would have loved a focus on the Nes & Turbo Duo for consoles that composite is their best display without modding as well as the N64, Atari Jaguar, Panasonic 3DO, and the Philips cdi with S Video being their best output currently without modding. I know the Jaguar is Rgb capable out of the box but I don't know of any Component cable for it yet. Would love if HD Retrovision made one for the Jaguar.
@chchris254 жыл бұрын
The Retrotink Pro would be perfect if it accepted 480p signals. It works perfect for older consoles but I hit a brick wall when dealing with PS2 & Wii. Hopefully an update can fix this.
@PSXMicha4 жыл бұрын
The Koryuu is really expensive. I have an old Yamaha AV Receiver which also transcodes Composite and S-Video to YPbPr. got it for 30 Bucks
@SkyScourgeGod4 жыл бұрын
I recently got an OSSC and a Koryuu to accompany it and I can confirm that there is something wrong with the 480i from the Koryuu. If I feed 240p from S-Video into the Koryuu then channel the Koryuu's output into the OSSC it works very nicely, but as soon as the OSSC gets 480i from the Koryuu it does not work at all. This problem persists constantly with my 3DO since it only outputs 480i and occasionally on my N64, PlayStation and Saturn (the common trio that have games switching between 240p and 480i). Games on those systems that use 480i for cutscenes and menus will be dropped on the OSSC as soon as the game hits those particular parts, then comes back when 240p is enabled. The OSSC itself shows signs of an unstable sync signal only from Koryuu-type 480i due to the LED being red and the screen on the OSSC going nuts. I know its not the OSSC because when I feed it 480i directly from my PS2 and Xbox (all official component connections) the OSSC takes it no questions asked. I'm honestly surprised you two got 480i to work from the Koryuu into your OSSC, perhaps its also a mixture of the other pieces of equipment that I have in my setup (several Extron switchers). Oddly enough, my CRT has no issues with the Koryuu on any video mode. The S-Video jack on my CRT is a bit wonky so I wanted the Koryuu to bypass it by using the Component jacks instead. 480i from the Koryuu into my CRT has a bit more flicker than normal, but it displays it none the less. Hopefully the makers of the Koryuu come up with an update to fix this as its a pretty crippling issue at the moment. Have either of you two experienced these issues or something similar with the Koryuu?
@alectorb12144 жыл бұрын
Great video,looks like a great product,now lets work on getting a RGB input,so we can use our arcade pcbs,neo geo mvs,i truly believe there a market for it,and make so u could use a regular crt tv or lcd/led or such.
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] There is also a RetroTINK-2X SCART version that only uses RGB.
@alectorb12144 жыл бұрын
@@mylifeingaming thanks for the reply, maybe u guys could do a video showing the hook up and game play using an mvs and or a n arcade pcb on regular lcd.once again ,thanks for the reply.
@TobiEstosWorld4 жыл бұрын
I'll stay with my ossc. For my the way best option available now and with its new price deop even more ytractive than before
@RexBuyeo4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. The Koryu seems to be a very cool device with some legitimate use cases (N64 lack of RGB, Plugging into a PVM/BVM without S-video/composite inputs, etc.). The only use for RetroTINK-2X is if you were going to plug your system to a high-end 1440P monitor using the mClassic. I do like that it preserves the image colors well. My problem with the RetroTINK-2X is that there is no line tripler option for easier 4k upscaling (4k is a multiple of 720). Additionally, RetroTINK-2X is TOO expensive. In fact, this whole market for connecting retro-consoles to HDTVs is full of price gougers. $300+ for xRGB mini, $50+ for RGB/Component transcoders, $100+ for SCART selectors, $80+ for Retro HD-Vision cables, and even $50 for the crappy chinese scart HD Video Converter. Honestly, I see there are only 3 reasonable solutions. For high end, get some premium scart cables($25+) and OSSC($130+). For mid range, the levelhike/hyperkin/pound converters are ok despite the slight loss in color fidelity(Sonic 2 clouds shown by Bob retroRGB), and for the cheapest solution search Blackweb BWA17AV014 Composite/S-Video to HDMI converter upscaler (While this thing has poor performance, it goes for around a whopping $10, shipping included). Also, It appears you guys were not so crazy about the RetroTINK-2X. Did Mike and Bob hold you guys at gun point to make this video?
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] I would not say that's true at all. I have been recommending the original version of the RetroTINK-2X for a long time because it's the lowest cost analog to digital device for gaming that I'm comfortable recommending. The Pro is a bit more expensive for sure, so it's up to the customer whether its ease of use is worth the extra price tag. Both are great devices that I'm so happy exist. If we seemed a little off in this video, it's because it's an "MLiG Mini," which is our unscripted series that's intended to take less time to produce. We haven't done one in a while and felt very out of practice. As for the price of devices in the retro market, keep in mind that this is a very niche market with people investing SERIOUS time and money into making these devices happen. Will it appeal to everyone at that price? No. But with the exceptions of only a few bad eggs, I truly believe most people are pricing these devices at the price points they need for them to be worth it for them at the limited scale they're produced at. A bigger market could drive costs down due to the size of the companies and larger scale of production. That is much more difficult to do in this market.
@RexBuyeo4 жыл бұрын
@@mylifeingaming Thank you for your quick reply. I just strongly believe OSSC is the best bang for your buck given the current circumstances. RetroTINK Classic + Retro Access S-video seem like a reasonable mid-tier solution that is more affordable for N64 owners that are not interested in modding. I think I'd rather have people buy this than destroy their systems by heavy modding. If you happen to talk to Mike again please let him know I think a lot more people would buy the pro version if it had a line tripler option., myself included.
@Raddaman80004 жыл бұрын
Im probably going to stick to my retrotink classic since scanlines aren't necessarily something I'm looking for, and I'm not using a 480i console on it to smooth out the interlacing. Thanks for putting this video out though, as for a while I was having trouble figuring out what the true differences were between the classic and the pro.
@BBfanfun4 жыл бұрын
RetroTink all the way ! can't wait for system specific RAD2X-hdmi cables !
@tobymalamute28564 жыл бұрын
I've got the Nintendo one, and I love it.
@albey18164 жыл бұрын
I have all these in the RAD2X Cables > PS1 > Genesis Model2 > N64 > PCEngine > Saturn One thing to remember, they are not the sharpest Analog to digital converters out there ( If you are after crisp pixels ) What i like is they get the job done properly and give you the ability to connect to HDMI display devices.
@martinmcneal27782 жыл бұрын
Would the Retrotink be able to allow a non-interlaced computer monitor to display from systems like the Super Nintendo, Gamecube, or even the PSP Go? If given a VGA to HDMI adapter of course.
@mylifeingaming2 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] Yes it's actually fantastic for that. You can get plenty of inexpensive lag-free HDMI to VGA converters online.
@ShaunsShitposts4 жыл бұрын
What's that chiptuney music that plays 0:20 or so? When it cuts to F-Zero X on the PVM
@darinherrick25034 жыл бұрын
I would really like HDMI conversion cables compared in these videos. I've been replacing absolutely everything with HDMI conversion cables.
@Microwave4143 жыл бұрын
I've got to say owning the retrotink-2x pro and an ossc has been nothing short of useful. They're both good at what they are intended to do and I feel like scaling composite or s-video above 2x would show the flaws in those input formats. So I do like that the retrotink tells me sweet little lies about those inputs to make them more easy on the eyes while I have a feeling that the koryuu would have been too brutally honest about those formats and ended up with me RGB modding a non-easily RGB modifiable N64 and NES.
@Sukh.Sanghera4 жыл бұрын
Damn I love your channel!
@xxSpike1989xx4 жыл бұрын
I buy rad2x cables they're built in retrotink 2x's for individual consoles. Theyre a god sent. I'm hoping for a ps2 cable in the future.
@ians_parks4 жыл бұрын
Not likely considering the retrotink2x line of devices relies on a chip set that doesnt support 480p. That said the playstation rad2x should work fine with the ps2. It'll just be bob deinterlacing 480i to 480p, which isnt a huge compromise when you take into account a majority of the ps2 library is 480i anyway.
@ValkyrieTiara4 жыл бұрын
9:43 Try: **says a bunch of stuff** What I hear: "When you're cycling through the mode buttons, if you push the button it'll be the first one for the thing that you're on but you can push it more and if you're on the other one and push it it'll be on a different one so push it and it'll be on the first one and it'll cycle through if you push it and don't be on the wrong one cause it'll be too dark if you push it so make sure you're on the right one so you get the correct brightness." Me: "Push it till it looks good. Got it."
@ValkyrieTiara4 жыл бұрын
(Just so we're clear, this was not a dig at Try, but at my own comprehension ability)
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] You're right, though! I should say "press button until it looks good" more often, I was definitely trying to say too much for something pretty simple.
@waynosdaboss4 жыл бұрын
I am surprised you never mentioned the Retrotink 2x SCART version! Was this not in scope ? It's an amazing device for a simple plug and play RGB to HDMI solution.
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] The reality is that we don't have one! It might have come up briefly in our conversation, but I forget. If so, it was cut for time reasons. After all, the focus on this video was on what to do with composite and S-video signals, and as such we didn't really even talk about (or show) the 2X Pro's component capabilities.
@waynosdaboss4 жыл бұрын
@@mylifeingaming yes good point ! I was lucky to get hold of one (imported to the UK) before it went out of stock. I don't see it being mentioned much and if it comes back in stock I think it is really worth highlighting to people especially for its ease of use and price point in a future video maybe.
@jesseanderson38354 жыл бұрын
Late to the video. Hope u guys are staying safe in these crazy times. I'm hoping a few deep dives of developer focused videos ala Atlus, Platinum, Treasure, etc might be worthy of their own videos. Especially with some recent and upcoming releases from these folks. Cheers
@goukigod4 жыл бұрын
What do you guys use to capture gameplay from the OSSC beyond 2X?
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] Coury uses PEXHDCAP60L, I use a Magewell card, and we both also use the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K. All accept 960p and usually even do fine with 1200p from the OSSC.
@Boojakascha4 жыл бұрын
PAL Game Cube can output RGB
@jackbootshamangaming45413 жыл бұрын
I'm getting one finally. With this, a MiSTeR, the various 8bitdo controllers, I'm set.
@craigluft74534 жыл бұрын
still enjoying this format. if you guys like doing these and it's easy to bang out, I welcome many more
@rynomclaughlin15954 жыл бұрын
Is the Original Xbox worth a 200 series RGB Master Class video? Anyway love the channel and keep up the good work
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] Oh of course it is. It's probably a ways off though, I have to admit. There are a lot of variations that use different video encoders, and to be honest I know very little about RGB on the system (do all regions support RGB?). We have a lot to learn about it, and are more prepared to tackle other systems sooner than later, like Dreamcast and Wii.
@crestofhonor23494 жыл бұрын
I wish you guys would do a video of the best way to hook a modern console or pc to a crt monitor or tv without hdmi. Ideally the best vga or component solutions
@friedzombie44 жыл бұрын
Crazy! I was just thinking about how to streamline my Y/C and CVBS into my OSSC! HDMI cables seem to put a lot of stress on my poor retrotink 2x and it doesn't really integrate into my gcompsw setup but the Koryuu really solves all of these problems! Thanks again guys. also thanks for featuring my favorite game of all time at 16:42 (Illbleed)
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] That is one weird pick for a favorite game of all time, but I salute your weird pick because Illbleed is one weird game, and I like my Dreamcast games weird!
@friedzombie44 жыл бұрын
@@mylifeingaming that's exactly why I love it, nothing like it since probably never will be.
@greenroom19884 жыл бұрын
Cool video. I will check out that improved Nintendo s video cable for my n64. I already think it looks pretty good through the retro tink 2x with a cheap one I got on Amazon.
@ninjay3454 жыл бұрын
Going to contribute to the # of comments that say "mini" , 22 mins lol. Love you guys and your vids.
@39zack4 жыл бұрын
Only thing I don't like with the ossc is the open board case design
@Snivy1022 жыл бұрын
11:35 Is this showing that composite and s-video straight to a CRT looks better than composite and s-video to the Koryuu and then out via component into a CRT???
@marvalcomicsfan1234 жыл бұрын
I think the framemeister’s s-video and composite handling is the best on the market and I think it makes it worth the 300 - 400 price tag. That’s why I bought one for my N64. ( also for the Component video handling for PS2/PS1 and GameCube)
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] It is certainly a great all-in-one solution and it still handles 480i the best of anything out there.
@marvalcomicsfan1234 жыл бұрын
My Life in Gaming I was wondering if the 480p handling is good for the framemeister now after updates or is it just alright still?
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] I don't think it's that bad, but it's not perfect. 480p on the OSSC is simply glorious, I can't deny that. The 2x 480p (960p) just looks stunning to me. That said, my eyes never really zeroed in on the particular flaws that a lot of people point out with 480p on the Framemeister.
@marvalcomicsfan1234 жыл бұрын
My Life in Gaming I guess you can always daisy chain the OSSC to the framemeister since the OSSC doesn’t have much input lag. 960p scales pretty good on the framemeister.
@Kniffel1014 жыл бұрын
7:44 Wait a sec, does Sonic 1 actually have that "rainbow effect" when played on a CRT?
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] With composite video, yes. It's a characteristic of the Genesis's awful composite video output, but many developers did make lemonade with it, so to speak.
@retrosoul87704 жыл бұрын
All the reason why I'm excited to try Retrovisions Component cables for the mighty Genny. Dithering be damned
@protomanca4 жыл бұрын
Did you guys ditch the prompter this time? Seemed much more natural and easier to listen to. Good stuff.
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] Some would disagree that makes it easier to listen to, but this is an "MLiG Mini," which is our unscripted series. We will continue to do both styles, this is just a way to get something out on a subject in less time than it takes us to do scripted videos. But most people are subscribed to is for scripted content, so that's still our main thing, but we'll do these in between regular episodes.
@xmaverickhunterkx4 жыл бұрын
The Retrotink would be amazing if it was more than 2X. I need a minimum of 3X, and the lack of 480p is like... wtf. EDIT: After saying this I actually bought the Retrotink! LOL. Why? because I realized the OSSC Pro is coming with an HDMI input.... so I will basically use the RT as an adapter into that. The Koryuu might be clean and all, but it should have more output options, and it is too expensive for not doing a lot, while the RT at least can be used on its own. Plus the Koryuu's too much of a beta right now.
@WhiteJarrah4 жыл бұрын
Just a word of advice, like the OSSC, you may have compatibility issues with the RetroTINK. In my setup, the only console that I couldn't get to work with them was the PS1. My TV didn't accept any resolutions coming off of it. To get the most use out of either device, I needed to feed their video output into the HDMI input on the Framemeister or cheap SCART to HDMI to normalize the signal.
@peterk18374 жыл бұрын
Koryuu seems great for crt monitors lacking a composite/svid card.
@kjetilfrugard83954 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. Still wait for someone to create a solution to hook up an unmodded Atari 2600 without using a VCR though.
@danfortuna19844 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if I can hook my multi av box to the retrotink and have all my systems ready to go on my hdtv?
@mylifeingaming4 жыл бұрын
[Try4ce] Yes you can use it with switchers. But be careful if you're trying to plug multiple inputs into the RetroTINK at one time. For example, composite and S-video at the same time. This can darken the picture or just cause it to look weird. There is also only one audio input anyway.
@danfortuna19844 жыл бұрын
My Life in Gaming thanks for the info 👍🏻
@Drinkabeerandplayagameofficial4 жыл бұрын
Great vid, still love that a mini episode is 22 minutes. I love my Retrotink classic but I’ve always had weird quirks. Before I got it flashed and updated, the sound and video would go out of sync. After updating, it records fine with my card but my old plasma doesn’t process the sound.