Beginner Knife Making: How to make your first knife

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Mystic Mountain Forge

Mystic Mountain Forge

2 жыл бұрын

Hello everyone and welcome back to the forge, In this week's video I show how to make a basic knife using a file. To do this project you do not need a forge, just some simple tools and you will be well on your way to making your first knife. Everything in this video can easily be done with a cheap harbor freight 1x30 grinder or even an angle grinder with flap disks. I appreciate you watching and if you would HIT that SUBSCRIBE button and RING the notification bell to be informed when my latest content posts.
Steps I used in making this knife:
1.Steel selection, I used a Nicholson file
2.Draw or print a template you want your knife to look like
3.Use the template to mark your design onto the steel, I do this with a cheap can of black spray paint.
4.Cut your steel and grind in into the shape of your knife.
5. Temper your steel at 425-450F for two hours, this should give you the desired hardness you need.
6.spray your edge with spray paint or color it with a sharpie and scribe a center line using a drill bit, height gauge, or caliper. Do this on a flat surface such as a piece of tile or granite.
7.Grind your bevels.
8.Anneal the tang to make it soft enough to drill, this can be done with a cheap hand torch using a vise as a heat sink.
9.Drill pin holes.
10.find some handle material and use the masking tape and super glue method I show in this video then drill the holes through the wood.
11.Cut fronts of handle material where it mates up to the blade area sand it to shape.
12.Glue on scales and clamp them down, use acetone to clean up any epoxy overflow on your knife.
13.Grind handle to shape, knock off the sharp edges on the handle and then smooth out with your belt sander, grinder with flap disks, or file.
14.Apply a treatment to your handle such as Axe wax.
15.Sharpen your knife to your desired sharpness.
16.ENJOY YOUR WORK!!!

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@pepejuan2924
@pepejuan2924 Жыл бұрын
I’m living in the Philippines and the blacksmith here uses a burning barrel filled 3/4 the up with dirt as a forge , the forced air is achieved by use a leaf blower motor connected to a pipe, they burn charcoal,notches are cut out of the barrel front and back, his anvil is a piece of railroad rail and they do really good work 👍😁💪🏻🇺🇸
@svravenflintlock7526
@svravenflintlock7526 4 ай бұрын
The last 2 knives I built were heat treated on my charcoal grill and used my wife's blow dryer to really get it hot...checked with a magnet when they got cherry red.
@jerichojoe307
@jerichojoe307 Жыл бұрын
If you're going to go with a hardware store file make sure it is a quality one as a lot of vey mass-produced ones nowadays are made of cheap steel that has simply been case-hardened. Thrift store, flea market, or yard sale is the best way to go to make sure you're getting an older file that is made from solid carbon steel unless you get a high-end file from the hardware store that you can be sure is not just case-hardened
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Right on! I wish I would have mentioned that when I made the video but it completely slipped my mind at the time. Ebay is also a great place to find new old stock files that are high quality. I appreciate you watching!
@lluwd
@lluwd Жыл бұрын
I share that opinion. I have customers who ask for a knife to be made out a rasp or file and they want to bring me one of their own, I tell them it must be a Nicholson or a Diamond otherwise, I wont mess with it. even though I anneal them and re heat treat, the steel quality is lacking in most files and rasps or they are only case hardened with a mild steel core. Those are about the only 2 brands I have had good luck with. even brand new ones are almost always case hardened, better to find the old ones. if you know of another decent brand, let me know
@eabnamoliben1598
@eabnamoliben1598 Жыл бұрын
​@@lluwd can't you just harden those cheap files?
@johnrhodes3350
@johnrhodes3350 Ай бұрын
​@@eabnamoliben1598case hardening, means that extra carbon has been added to the surface layers only from a low carbon mild steel blank. So that when you grind on your bevels, that hard surface is removed leaving just a soft low carbon mild steel core, that can not be heat treated sufficiently. In African countries like Tanzania, they import loads of our scrap mild steel and case hardening it themselves. This involves packing a mixture of powdered charcoal and bone around the piece and sealing it in a metal coffin and baking it at a high temperature for 4 hours or more. Then quenching and tempering in the usual way. They find it worthwhile, where 'needs must' and is the 'mother of invention' In a more modern industrial process, case-hardening is done by heat soaking in a rich atmosphere of a mixture of gases. Old files are 'Through Hardened' meaning the full thickness has a higher carbon content from the beginning. Most people have heard of Chromium, Nickel, Molybdenum, Vanadium etc. added as alloying metals in various ratios. They can amongst other things improve.. corrosion resistance, tensile strength, impact strength at low temperatures, hardness, toughness, even create extra wear resistance through work-hardening. But the most powerful by weight, the cheapest and often overlooked alloying element is, Carbon. Hopefully I don't sound like I'm preaching ... Just feeling tired and not very well.
@RG1788.1
@RG1788.1 3 ай бұрын
I wanted to say thank you for making this video. Making my first knife this week using it and excited to see how it goes! This is the best video for true beginners out there!!!
@6Sally5
@6Sally5 11 ай бұрын
I have watched dozens of beginner how-to knifemaking videos and yours…hands down…is the best one I’ve seen. Subscribed and saved this for future reference. Thank you!
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 10 ай бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@johnbennett7244
@johnbennett7244 3 ай бұрын
One of the better knife making videos that I have seen.
@HARMARSCH2
@HARMARSCH2 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent information for anyone wanting to start making knives. This knife turned out great nice job. Thank you.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@MrFishProd
@MrFishProd Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video (and thanks to all your helpful commenters). I think I want to make a pair of matching knives together with my papa.
@phila1714
@phila1714 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid I just ordered a 1x30 and gonna start having fun with it! Never made a knife but I can't wait to try it out!
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! I greatly appreciate it. Knife making is an awesome craft to get into.
@mark109s
@mark109s Жыл бұрын
I think you made this video just for me! Lol. I don’t have all the tools to do knife making, but I do want to make some, and this video sure helped me out. Thanks.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
I am happy it helped! Once you get going it's easy to get hooked! I appreciate you watching.
@patrickpenney9776
@patrickpenney9776 2 ай бұрын
This is a great video and I'm going to use it to do my first knife ever with my son. One small thing though - advertisements for tools kept popping up over top of the subtitles in the bottom left corner and I'm deaf so I kinda need those. No beef with adding adverts to keep the content free, just maybe let YT know about the placement.
@rustybumperclassics6342
@rustybumperclassics6342 Жыл бұрын
So cool
@adrianlouviere7650
@adrianlouviere7650 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the fine demo and information.
@arthbeano
@arthbeano 2 жыл бұрын
Very informational video thx a lot I am just getting into knife making and I’m looking for something to keep me busy on those boring days
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I appreciate you watching, and best of luck on your future builds!
@Anderson-HandForged
@Anderson-HandForged 2 жыл бұрын
great video i picked quite a few pointers from it one of the best knife making videos here on YT thanks very much
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate you watching!
@martinwright2254
@martinwright2254 2 ай бұрын
This is awesome. Very well done.... I've been interested in blade making for years.... I'm only now starting to get ready to start. . . Building my homemade forge.... I've got some tools... but can see I need a couple specific ones to get..... but I'm not far off. Cant wait.
@JohnDoe-ls2ww
@JohnDoe-ls2ww 6 ай бұрын
The Horrible Freight 1x30 with 5” disc is a pretty great entry level belt sander. Been using the heck out of mine.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 6 ай бұрын
That's the truth, I used the grizzly version of the exact same grinder for a lot of knives. Even with two 2x72 grinders in the shop I plan on getting another 1x30 to keep on hand, I recently saw where grizzly is now offering a 1x42 set up like a 2x72. I appreciate you watching.
@gregorygolden1296
@gregorygolden1296 8 ай бұрын
Great video. I make knives about the same way. But I learned a couple things from you that will sure help me. I enjoy making them. I'm in my mid 60's and find great enjoyment making them....I give them away to friends. Thanks Brother.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 8 ай бұрын
That is awesome! I am glad it helped out. I greatly appreciate you watching!
@jimkeegan7773
@jimkeegan7773 Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks for all the advice!
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! I appreciate you watching!
@alexanderstoner4306
@alexanderstoner4306 4 ай бұрын
That is beautiful work & play. That is a sweet baby and you explained everything so articulately. Keep it going! I want to see a Tanto next
@ourlifeinwyoming4654
@ourlifeinwyoming4654 Жыл бұрын
I think I can do this! Thanks!
@powerhandforces
@powerhandforces 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing Job! Thank you for sharing.👍
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@lukecope4212
@lukecope4212 3 ай бұрын
Some constructive criticism here, when you torched the tang in the vise, you said you were annealing it. The correct term for what you did was just tempering it waaayy back to be softer. Annealing would be getting it to critical and then controlling the cool down rate to be over a very long period of time. And normalizing is heating to critical and then just letting cool in air.
@Fred-og3ld
@Fred-og3ld Жыл бұрын
That is great job on the knife man love the masking tape trick on the handles damn good idea.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@HighRoad317
@HighRoad317 Ай бұрын
Excellent content, appreciate the time!!
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Ай бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching.
@frankwolf9187
@frankwolf9187 7 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you. Some very helpful hints here.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@michaelpaul721
@michaelpaul721 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Well done.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@hamstrings99
@hamstrings99 4 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you for sharing your skills.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching, I appreciate it.
@lindboknifeandtool
@lindboknifeandtool Жыл бұрын
I haven’t heard of funny river before. I was born in wasilla and lived in anchorage for a few years until I moved to Colorado. I have family in anchorage and seward. I’ll probably end up living in Alaska at some point in my life. You really have a knack for making knives.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Funny River is about 15 miles out of Soldotna, You turn left by spenards building supply right across from K beach road and drive to the end of the road. I almost moved to Wasilla instead of the Peninsula, the place we were looking at sold right before we could get it. I love knife making and sharing it with anyone I can. Going on Forged In Fire was one of the most awesome experiances it has allowed me to do. I appreciate you watching!
@CGBLACKSMITH
@CGBLACKSMITH Жыл бұрын
@@Mysticmountainforge what episode were you on?
@RRINTHESHOP
@RRINTHESHOP 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice job. The knife came out great.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@knry9125
@knry9125 Жыл бұрын
love it!
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@jayandtay1179
@jayandtay1179 2 жыл бұрын
U allways have good vids and do great stuff. I look forward to trying a file blade. I know ill be hooked
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Best of luck and I appreciate you watching!
@meandmyRC99
@meandmyRC99 Жыл бұрын
Great job!
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate you watching.
@billtalkington664
@billtalkington664 6 ай бұрын
Awesome
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@Chiefs1582
@Chiefs1582 Жыл бұрын
As a machinist the destruction of a Nicholson file hurts my heart but you made a knife so that's rad
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
I don't like using them for knives either because they are so useful in the shop, all of the ones used here on the channel were for custom orders. People seem to like files, rasps, and rr spikes alot. I appreciate you watching.
@Danielson1818
@Danielson1818 Жыл бұрын
I'm actually about to use a 'Mill Bastard' file to make my first homemade knife. I'd never do that if it was still functional, but this thing is old and dull.
@chriskincaid6035
@chriskincaid6035 Жыл бұрын
Thank You ...
@gurvinderkau1e5w18
@gurvinderkau1e5w18 2 жыл бұрын
Knife look beautiful . 👍👍🔥🔥
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@marcobosch5263
@marcobosch5263 Жыл бұрын
👍🏻i gonna try this,and watch your channel😉 thanks for the idea.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching, I appreciate it!
@hallur7523
@hallur7523 Жыл бұрын
Thx alot … very informative
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! I appreciate you watching!
@jakobwheelhand9907
@jakobwheelhand9907 Жыл бұрын
Very nice!! Subscribed
@mariolopez-ri8wd
@mariolopez-ri8wd Жыл бұрын
Beautiful video I just bought a WEN 1x30 and i will start making my own knife ..I would like if you would do a video on what grits on the belt to make a knife from the beginning to the end ..I would like that very much .I just Subbed to your channel thanks
@TheSmokingCheddar
@TheSmokingCheddar Жыл бұрын
this is extremely helpful. I was looking at getting a belt grinder and wondering if it would be enough. I need to replace my kitchen knives for cooking and I am just sick of the manufactured stuff and want to just make something for myself. I already have an angle grinder, a drill and an oven, so I am pretty much set. I am sure i can dig up some old metal files somewhere. if not, i work next to a hardware store in my local town. I have one question though, why not tap the metal and thread a small bolt? is it preference or is there a reason? (instead of using a nail) I only ask, because i have a few knocking around.
@loseyourlife4042
@loseyourlife4042 2 жыл бұрын
Great knowledge thank you
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@loseyourlife4042
@loseyourlife4042 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mysticmountainforge I forge some, and this was a great vid, though no forging involved! 👍🏻👍🏻
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@lamarclark2169
@lamarclark2169 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for a very good video for people like me who will be a first time knife maker really soon. You gave many practical info. Would a stainless steel nail used in the handle provide better rust protection?
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 6 ай бұрын
Happy to help! A stainless or brass pin would be best. I appreciate you watching.
@gregpassmore7716
@gregpassmore7716 2 жыл бұрын
Great knife, I really enjoy it, I got some pallets. I may try to make some scales out ofbit.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
That should work well, I have done it with oak pallet boards before, it turned out really nice. Thanks for watching, I greatly appreciate it!
@paulmullins102
@paulmullins102 Жыл бұрын
excellant work my friend
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@tiagobrasil5910
@tiagobrasil5910 Жыл бұрын
Belo projeto, faca muito linda e muito funcional também. Perfeita para EDC . Obrigado por compartilhar suas habilidades. DEUS te abençoe sempre.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@SchysCraftCo.
@SchysCraftCo. 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job looks good
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@widhinugroho9141
@widhinugroho9141 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mysticmountainforge nice guide sir
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
@@widhinugroho9141 thank you, I appreciate you watching!
@hidenseekprospecting4784
@hidenseekprospecting4784 Жыл бұрын
I have to say ,that is one very impressive looking file knife. I'm big in to bushcraft and that looks like a beautiful blade to carry. I'd love to own one of your EDC. Very nice work bubba.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you supporting the channel!
@jerrybigrig
@jerrybigrig 5 ай бұрын
😎👍😎
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 5 ай бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching.
@kanyotamas
@kanyotamas Ай бұрын
For a beginner much easier to make a knife out of springsteel. It's easy to obtain and much easier to work with it.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Ай бұрын
To each their own.
@adambroda8240
@adambroda8240 3 ай бұрын
hi why did you temper after cutting the shape and not before? wouldn't it be easier to cut the shape after you temper it first?
@Channelslayer33
@Channelslayer33 Ай бұрын
What kind of machine did you use to cut out the wooden handles ?
@marinevet8853
@marinevet8853 2 жыл бұрын
I use a 4x36 belt grinder and it works good
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
I have a friend that uses one for his knife making, they do work really well, I have been thinking of getting one and making it Into a surface grinder. Thank you for watching, I appreciate it!
@marinevet8853
@marinevet8853 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mysticmountainforge I do believe however the motor is wearing down cause it is old and I don’t think it’s rpm are as high as it once was
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
I see, I remember seeing a KZfaq video awhile back where someone upgraded theirs to a larger motor, it might have been outdoors55 channel, it would be one of his older videos.
@blazer2554
@blazer2554 Ай бұрын
Hi, do you perhaps have a pdf template of the blade. Very very nice.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Ай бұрын
Thanks! I believe I got this template from dcknives.blogspot.com/p/knife-profiles.html?m=1 I appreciate you watching.
@andreasporch788
@andreasporch788 Жыл бұрын
Very nice
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
@anadventure6693
@anadventure6693 Жыл бұрын
Just watched and subscribed. How did you control the angle of the blade on the belt sander? Ive watched other videos using a hand filing jig and sharpie so you know you are going straight, did you just eyeball?
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate your support! I do freehand my knives but I have also been doing this for several years so holding it at a certain angle has kind of become second nature. When I first started out I did use grinding jigs like this this one originblademaker.com/product/knife-making-belt-grinder-angle-grind-guide-regular-large-tool-rest/, you can also make your own fairly easy like the one in this video, I used one like it as well with fantastic results. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/or6kjMmTtbq4k2Q.html. I also draw lines with a sharpie or with layout fluid to grind up too, they just don't always show up very well in the videos. Thanks again for watching, I greatly appreciate it!
@garyh9216
@garyh9216 Жыл бұрын
Hey brother I found this video to be very helpful. You did a great job of explaining a lot of the small things. I haven't made any great knives yet but like with anything in life you must practice if you want to prefect any craft. I'd say the funnest and easiest thing I've made this far are a few ninja stars out of used circular saw blades. But anyhow, thanks for the great video. technical and a great job of making sure the audience knew what tools to use and where to get them.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
That's awesome, I have always wanted to make some ninja stars or even a batarang using some old saw blades but just haven't had a chance to. I am glad the video helped you in your journey. I appreciate you watching!
@bitsurfer0101
@bitsurfer0101 6 ай бұрын
You don't need to get it red hot to anneal it?
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 6 ай бұрын
Not really just to soften it up enough to drill, chasing that blue line down the tang will soften it enough to drill. You can see a great example of this in ABS Mastersmith J. Neilsons tips and tricks dvd. If you don't want to to do it that way or don't have access to a torch, you can drill it with a carbide masonry bit, just go slow, apply even consistent pressure and oil.
@nate2838
@nate2838 Жыл бұрын
Quick not about drilling, make sure you are using something other than just your hand to keep the bit from catching and spinning the knife. Also, that could be why he did this step when he did, If it was already sharp it would be incredibly dangerous, and risk damaging the blade you just made. It looks to me like the "blade" is being stopped by the blocks on the press table.
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
You are 100% right, when drilling handle pin holes there should always be some sort of stop to catch the knife in case it spins, I have been lucky in my knife making career to not have this happen and I should have made it a point in this video to discuss the need for a stop to prevent possible injuries. I appreciate you posting this for others to see and I appreciate you watching!
@fkrestoration
@fkrestoration Жыл бұрын
My first video in my life making handmade knife 🗡️🔪
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
I will have to go check that out, thank you for watching, I greatly appreciate it!
@christopheranthony1200
@christopheranthony1200 8 ай бұрын
Is there any way I could get the exact same template that you used?
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 8 ай бұрын
Here is the website I used to find the template used in this video, I appreciate you watching! dcknives.blogspot.com/p/knife-profiles.html
@chrisyancy5351
@chrisyancy5351 2 жыл бұрын
do you have a printable version of the knife template you used?
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I don't but if you type free printable knife templates into the Google search bar it will pull up a lot including the one I used. Thanks for watching I appreciate it!
@atahangunay6714
@atahangunay6714 10 ай бұрын
Does it stay sharp for a long time or does it dull quickly?
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 10 ай бұрын
This one had excellent edge retention, a hunter purchased it from me and uses it to skin deer. It is always good practice on files though to make sure to use a good name brand they tend to work better. Some cheaper files are only hardened on the surface. I appreciate you watching!
@atahangunay6714
@atahangunay6714 10 ай бұрын
Thanks you so much. I live in Turkey. So good name brand files are 850 currency units in here. I prefer to make knife rather than buy because this is cheaper way. But even "cheap" is not cheap in this country :D So I have to work on any brand file 🤷🏻
@bennyhill3642
@bennyhill3642 Жыл бұрын
1st Thing is to remind you if you haven't allready? Thank your wife for moving things o like a vice so we can see what your doing ROFL Great VIDEO and Thank you for your time!! GOD Bless😇
@PatrickBeriault
@PatrickBeriault Жыл бұрын
How much to ppl sell those file knives for?
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge Жыл бұрын
I normally sell file knives like this one for $80 with a simple kydex sheath, but I am also in a very low income area so if you are in an area where people get paid more you could easily go $125 or more with a leather sheath. I appreciate you watching.
@sknwlkrvw
@sknwlkrvw 5 ай бұрын
24:22 😅
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 5 ай бұрын
Gotta love random background noises. I appreciate you watching.
@ogleg179
@ogleg179 3 ай бұрын
Mucho desperdicio de material y habla menos y trabaja mas
@Mysticmountainforge
@Mysticmountainforge 3 ай бұрын
Oh well, it is what it is. I got one group complaining about too much talking and one group asking for more talking, I just can't win sometimes, maybe it's time to stop doing youtube.
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