Negative rigging BASICS - Full break down of how and why to negative rig a spar, with many tips

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Climbing Arborist

Climbing Arborist

Жыл бұрын

We explain the techniques used to rig down a spar pole. Covering best methods and safe protocols to use. We offer up some examples of bad technique, or less efficient ones.
Negative rigging (or square rigging) is very fatiguing and hard on the climber's body. If you remove trees often, this should be a technique you really want to master.
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@RobertBrockwell
@RobertBrockwell Ай бұрын
Absolutely the best video on rigging on KZfaq. Thx for all the details. Great job!! Be safe.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment 😃
@davidure2901
@davidure2901 Жыл бұрын
I think the big take away for me is to tie that stopper knot at the block so you don’t have to fight the weight of the rope when you tie the piece
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Such a great little technique to save a lot of fighting with the rope 🤙
@savage22bolt32
@savage22bolt32 Жыл бұрын
Simple, but genius!
@stevendaniels7241
@stevendaniels7241 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos have about 2 yrs in the spikes and still have so much to learn. Thanks for all the knowledge
@dredthis9473
@dredthis9473 9 ай бұрын
Perfect training video. I think you are very well trained and you do a great job explaining all the steps. Im continuously impressed by your content, probably the most proper well described arborist site Ive found on YT.
@dprevish100
@dprevish100 Жыл бұрын
I really like this style of training video, well done! So often things happen so fast and it’s good when you’re stopping it and explaining what’s happening. The one thing I was going to say was that when Connor was making the first back cut on the first piece, I think the reason he does. The powerhead down is the reason I do too and that is because it is easier to line up your back cut with your face cut accurately that way. I switch just like he did to power head up once I’ve gotten in a few inches and set my direction of cut where I want it to go
@personwhoexists4491
@personwhoexists4491 Жыл бұрын
Loving the detailed analyses of various techniques. Definitely fills a void.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!🤙
@rrssmooth6643
@rrssmooth6643 9 ай бұрын
Excellent tips, love the way you talked that through.
@marcbaker0650
@marcbaker0650 Жыл бұрын
Good tips....the only thing I like to do is keep the distance between my rigging block and half hitch as small as possible to reduce the travel distance when the piece comes off, thus decreasing shock load on the rigging system.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Good stuff! 🤙
@garrettoetken8718
@garrettoetken8718 Жыл бұрын
That doesn't change the travel distance it stays the same.
@marcbaker0650
@marcbaker0650 Жыл бұрын
@@garrettoetken8718 ok put the block 10 feet down from you cut and tell me if you notice any difference.
@angryjay06
@angryjay06 Жыл бұрын
Big difference the more free fall in the negative rigging set up the greater the force into the system. Always keep the bottom half hitch as close to the face cut as safely possible. Also make sure the least amount of slack in ring or block sling.
@glenngeorge201
@glenngeorge201 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Dan!!! There are so many small details in this video that have a huge impact on the job. A lot of the things mentioned are not pointed out in other people's videos. Ex: the power zone, running the bar forward, and placement of the rigging block/portawrap to prevent rope damage. I wish I could've seen your videos earlier in my career. Please keep making more videos like this. Thanks again man!
@jonbacon8924
@jonbacon8924 Жыл бұрын
I loving using the top of the bar. I don't use it in big hardwood. Shooting all the sawdust away from the climber is nice at times. But I agree it's not the best practice.
@jonfindlay7838
@jonfindlay7838 Жыл бұрын
Great video! The only improvement I could suggest would be adding tags for each major point so people can find them when they revisit the video.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. We will add tags to the video for ease of finding each point
@FishFind3000
@FishFind3000 Жыл бұрын
@@ClimbingArborist still no tags
@TylerKegolis
@TylerKegolis 15 күн бұрын
Great spar/neg rigging video.
@konradrehn4540
@konradrehn4540 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this video. Lots of great tips. 👍🏼 Climb high. Be safe.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🤙
@daviddrouillard3534
@daviddrouillard3534 5 ай бұрын
Very good detail. Thank you.
@aerialrescuesolutions3277
@aerialrescuesolutions3277 Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video Dan. I started watching the first one, and then it was pulled from view. I will watch this one today. Thank you, Jim H. Portland, Oregon.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it Jim 🤙
@joshjohnson3378
@joshjohnson3378 Жыл бұрын
Hi Dan Thanks for posting another excellent video!
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
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@aaronalexander2543
@aaronalexander2543 Жыл бұрын
Good job explaining the rope and lanyard positioning. I started out doing it wrong with it below but was taught to do it the right way later on. I've never heard it explained so well as to why you should have it over the rigging. I've done a lot of negative rigging but I still watch these videos.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment Aaron, glad you enjoyed the video . Please share it with any colleagues you think will find it helpful.
@timhannan4551
@timhannan4551 7 ай бұрын
Superb educational video, thanks.
@williamrodgers6898
@williamrodgers6898 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate the insight and consideration in negative rigging. It gave me some things to think about to improve my system. I'm curious why not use a Humboldt cut when blocking them down? I wondered if that style of cut would of helped with the third short block from just resting once it was cut. Anyways thanks for the video.
@billybm0
@billybm0 Жыл бұрын
Great instructional video as always
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
🙏
@treeworksch6959
@treeworksch6959 Жыл бұрын
Great video and very complete. Lots of useful tips
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 🤙
@chillipphi
@chillipphi 7 ай бұрын
I like to keep at least one of my tie in's below the rigging sling just in case there's a hard catch and you end up taking a ride. No chance of the rope popping up off the top of the spar. Great tips Dan! We have a training coming up next week and I'm going to practice some of these to keep working on getting more efficient. I think overall I tend to not cut deep enough and also leave too much hinge making it all harder on myself. One question, what are your thoughts on tying the log on higher up? I've seen other demos saying that it does not make a difference in drop distance. However that's not how I learned it starting out and I'm not convinced without seeing some live full size demo's. Great video and thank you for all the tips!
@joseleyva9921
@joseleyva9921 Жыл бұрын
Good videos man thanks
@Billster1955
@Billster1955 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video Dan
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@josephwong1697
@josephwong1697 Жыл бұрын
These tips are useful. I enjoy this video. Thanks for your sharing.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
So glad you found the video helpful 🤙
@elliottfoth6013
@elliottfoth6013 Ай бұрын
Awesome video I really appreciate it iv production felled and climbed and bombed things out and iv done a little rigging doing this full time now learning about rigging on the go very well explained thanks
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Ай бұрын
Glad it helped! 👍
@kingslew1866
@kingslew1866 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid Dan! 🙃
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist 2 ай бұрын
You bet! 🤙
@PhilEvansOnline
@PhilEvansOnline Жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thanks for sharing. 👍
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! 👍
@RuudG1988
@RuudG1988 Жыл бұрын
i like the to use the top of the bar when making the back cut as it pushes me backwards ans braces me more in to my lanyard
@ThienTran-ly9fi
@ThienTran-ly9fi 2 күн бұрын
Thank you friend. You are make the world better with your work. cheers
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Күн бұрын
Wow, thank you 😄
@FooberDoobr
@FooberDoobr Жыл бұрын
Every time I’ve ever had to do this the slam of the pole hitting the trunk always freaked me out. I’ve had 2 slip out of the rig and thankfully didn’t damage anything but is incredibly scary in the moment.
@marianatequiero28
@marianatequiero28 Жыл бұрын
Wow thank you for this
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
No problem 🤙
@kuhnstreeservices
@kuhnstreeservices Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you!!!
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Glad you liked it! 🤙
@Mikehdy
@Mikehdy 7 ай бұрын
Please explain to me why you make the face notch cut with a flat bottom cut. It seems to me that it makes the log kick out way more than it needs to? Wouldn't an angle cut on the bottom of the face cut stop the log being kicked out so then it would just fall straight down the trunk? Less impact, less jarring and earlier tension on the rope for a smother ride? Thanks
@michelebiscontin4231
@michelebiscontin4231 Жыл бұрын
Complimenti per il super video
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
🙏
@C2toC4
@C2toC4 Жыл бұрын
Great video again, thanks! Just wondering if you have some good suggestions for techniques to help manage the situation when the trunk starts getting thick (say ~30" diameter), so only shorter pieces of trunk can be rigged then.. I have snapped an eye spice before on a 1" thick rope on the pulley block from overloading it! (Sometimes it's not possible to let it run far first, which would reduce the shock load, eg over a house etc) But cutting shorter pieces then has more chance of the rope coming off them, even when rope notches are cut in... Any ideas to help?!
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
You have to get creative. Sometimes that means cutting notches in the wood for the rope to go into ensuring it can’t slip up or down.
@michasommerfeldt2770
@michasommerfeldt2770 Жыл бұрын
Great very interesting points👍
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@TreeGrunt
@TreeGrunt Жыл бұрын
With the rubbing bowline “newish arborist” you said stopper knot to prevent it coming out. Is that where the Yosemite bowline can be used to either or ? Or would you say it’s just easier for the stopper knot ? Thanks.
@jasonturney2800
@jasonturney2800 Жыл бұрын
Dan like your videos big fan of your page have learned alot from your videos
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👍
@jimyuill6345
@jimyuill6345 Ай бұрын
I learned some good stuff here--thanks! Examples: don't place porta--wrap directly under the rigging block, also the cow hitch I'm a new climber.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Ай бұрын
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@Scott_Shafner
@Scott_Shafner 2 ай бұрын
Good video!!
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist 2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd Жыл бұрын
I think I saw this one last week, and it was excellent, too. Some day, a discussion of options for descending the spar would be helpful. Is the most efficient strategy to simply spike down with only the lanyard, or do you leave a long end on the climbing line to allow you to flip it off the top after you're at the next station? For the last length, do you switch to a double rope technique with a friction saver, to allow you to retrieve the climbing rope before dropping the final piece?
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
This is a tweaked version of the video we uploaded last week. Thanks for watching as always .
@josephtreadlightly5686
@josephtreadlightly5686 4 ай бұрын
Side cuts are very important. I've done this after the base cut & b4 the back cut & have had great success. I like the negative rigging with a port-a-wrap @ the bottom. I've had many when dealing with forked branches that I tie another rigging line @ the fork then I make a few extra swipes with my Japanese hand saw to get the desired hinge. Then I go to the ground & hook that rigging line to my Maasdam rope puller. The bridge snaps & the forked branch that's about 15 feet long comes down right where I need it to be. I'm working on dead trees & for 3 years I haven't hit any fencelines that r in jeopardy. Trying to rush things just causes more damage & can lead to alot of risk & extra work.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist 3 ай бұрын
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@snowyseb
@snowyseb Жыл бұрын
Great video, not sure what your thoughts are on this. Something I've done is facecut first, THEN setup the rigging block/rings and tie on the piece at the same time. Thoughts on this are, less chance/no chance to cut the rigging sling and then being able to set the sling as close to the facecut as practical, still maintaining a hands width from the cut for lanyard. (Lifeline tie in point below rigging sling). Also turning the saw off between facecut/tying on and then communicating the piece to be rigged and then making the back cut, can help for no helmet communications and higher distances.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
The biggest downside to doing the face cut first even before tying on the block, is that you have to then have the block and rope on your harness. If you are using a heavy block and a thick rope this equipment weighs a lot and puts a lot of strain on the climbers back, knees etc…
@kevinconnors9396
@kevinconnors9396 Ай бұрын
Awesome stuff bud love these videos great for people to learn from. I typically use blocks with a cow hitch I'm not a fan of rings for negative rigging but that's what I prefer. I think the Porta wrap on the right side would of helped better less rubbing on the trunk less likely to get hit by the piece. Negative rigging beats up on gear no matter what we do. Not bashing how people do anything but the space between the block and marl is a little much for how I would have done it but I also don't like how some of our hands run a wrap so less shock load the better for me. Hands down tho prob one of the best explanations of how to negative rig I've seen keep up the content bud it's good stuff
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Ай бұрын
Thanks for your comments buddy 👍
@davideaton5642
@davideaton5642 Жыл бұрын
Good guidance and advice! When you did the slomo of potential damage to the rigging line, I couldn't helping noticing the little puff of "steam" from the rigging rings. Potential heat damage?
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Rigging rings add friction which can be a great benefit in certain situations. Whenever you have a lot of force combined with friction it generates heat. This puff of steam you noticed was obviously heat build up from the friction. This would be very unlikely to do any damage to the rope as the heat generated is by the fast moving rope on the rings, so the heat build up is on the rings and less so on the rope.
@googmch
@googmch Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
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@user-ek2gn2gn7l
@user-ek2gn2gn7l 9 ай бұрын
Some climbers don't tie in a emergency room to repel if needed, I ve seen it a hundred times expesially when doing crane work.. all professional climbers do this.
@steelonius
@steelonius 2 ай бұрын
It would be really nice to have some input for the groundsman as well. Providing a soft catch on smaller material is very easy to do. However, I found it difficult when working with the port-a-wrap taking large pieces similar to what you are showing in this video. My employer has always been a tree climber and actually didn't have very good input as to how to determine the number of wraps and how to let it run with the larger pieces. Perhaps it was the rope diameter in combination with the port-a-wrap we used. Maybe I was just afraid to provide enough slack when managing such large pieces. It is a topic I have found extremely little information on so far. Anyways thanks for all the good content.
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist 2 ай бұрын
It’s extremely hard to know , and even more so to teach someone how to have the correct amount of wraps so a piece runs nicely. It comes with experience throughout the career. And experience throughout a specific day as you work from the top down, you learn with each piece of that very tree
@GCtrees
@GCtrees Жыл бұрын
My only adition to this would be to have the block/pulley/rings at a 90 degree offset to the directional cut. This serves 2 purposes, it reduces the risk of the lump hitting and pinching the rope but most importantly, it aids to take up the slack and makes the log glance off the trunk instead of falling straight against it basically turning the vertical movement into a lateral movement which in turn also reduces the negative load in my opinion. Its always been much smoother for me with the offset pulley to directional cut
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
That is one of the points discussed in the video
@GCtrees
@GCtrees Жыл бұрын
@@ClimbingArborist apologies, I must have missed that bit, just looking at the footage, most of the lumps seemed to fall directly over the block
@Vscustomprinting
@Vscustomprinting 5 ай бұрын
​@@GCtreesno, he draws arrows that show the correct offset
@treetramp7249
@treetramp7249 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes a vertical speedline is better than negative rigging.....usually it's better to use a vertical speed than negative rigging
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
That is a very over exaggerated statement, maybe you could say ridiculous! Vertical speed line is a great technique if you don't mind a creator in the ground and if you are on a bank and don't want the logs to roll away. But people negative rig because there are things at the base of the tree that can't be damaged. Vertical speed line doesn't prevent damage at the base of the tree.
@treetramp7249
@treetramp7249 Жыл бұрын
@Climbing Arborist I didn't mean any disrespect brother, I was mostly implying that the chunk a lot of times will hit the trunk which rigging is between.....a severed line or smashed block is also a real thing. Just saying there are other ways and if you implying certain methods then craters are your last concern. You can always use the brush pilled together to catch the chuncks or tires work amazing also. There is a tire mat you can make which is pretty easy to manipulate with a skid steer. Climb safe and safe climbs, much love. HCB4LIFE
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
@@treetramp7249 No disrespect taken. The reason for making any of these kind of videos is to show how to execute a specific technique safely and efficiently. It is not about what other way a job could be done, it is to purely focusing on the various aspects of the technique, the safety concerns, the variations etc... There are so many ways we can remove a tree, but sometimes this might be the only way, so people should be familiar with it.
@garrettoetken8718
@garrettoetken8718 Жыл бұрын
Does the side cuts also help for not having a barber chair happen, should you make them above or below the face cut?
@billycrotty4102
@billycrotty4102 Жыл бұрын
That bit of tree isn't going to barber chair. It isn't front leaning and it's only a relatively small pieces you're going to rig down.
@mathtousignant8942
@mathtousignant8942 Жыл бұрын
Little simple question : even with a half hitch, should you do littles notches for the rope ok the side to help the rope not slide away?
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
If it is tied correctly with half hitch/marl and running bowline it shouldn’t be required to add notches unless a specific situation requires it. Although if you are in two minds then it will give an added level of grip.
@adrianmeier2942
@adrianmeier2942 Жыл бұрын
What's the Name of the Knot you used instad of the Half Hitch ? Tryed to catch the Name but couldn't get it. Greetings from South-West Germany
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
It’s the ‘Marl’ or ‘Marline’ hitch
@michaeljstrickland863
@michaeljstrickland863 2 ай бұрын
What is the name of the metal piece you can wrap at the bottom of the tree . When roping .
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist 2 ай бұрын
Portawrap
@michaeljstrickland863
@michaeljstrickland863 2 ай бұрын
@@ClimbingArborist yes I ended up finding that out the same day . I roped all my 20s . But time flys when you hit 40s lmao . Thx u
@MountainManThan
@MountainManThan Жыл бұрын
I left a rigging ring in a tree for a few months. It seems fine but I don’t know. What are your thoughts?
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Rings should be fine. The sling could be compromised due to weathering
@jacksonthomas7056
@jacksonthomas7056 7 ай бұрын
I have a question and it might be a dumb one. Why go through all that trouble rigging up this log that you were going to cut down when you could just drop it to the ground. Is it just a demonstration for a situation where you can’t just drop it to the ground?
@mikedeck8381
@mikedeck8381 4 күн бұрын
That's what I'm thinking to. Most guys avoid this sort of rigging if they can. Lots of stuff can go wrong doing this sort of rigging. It's better to use another tree if you can or to cut it smaller and just drop it.
@lukaswolf422
@lukaswolf422 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried a safebloc for negative rigging or in general?
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Sure have, do you have questions or input about it?
@akatsukia9695
@akatsukia9695 11 ай бұрын
10 q 4 the great video
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist 11 ай бұрын
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@Vscustomprinting
@Vscustomprinting 5 ай бұрын
Ive gotten used to the idea of using a siberian with a daisy chain instead of a running bowline.. faster amd easier to remove.. i usually stick with a caribeaner tho because why knot?! 😂
@mwiekhorst
@mwiekhorst Жыл бұрын
I've always tied my cow's hitch exactly how Connor does and I've never had any issues. Anyone else tie it this way?
@JohnWalker-es6ci
@JohnWalker-es6ci Жыл бұрын
I've noticed when I've watched experienced climbers on KZfaq when they put there face cut in it goes 3/4s of the way back when there logging down. What's the reason for this?
@JohnWalker-es6ci
@JohnWalker-es6ci Жыл бұрын
Good job by the way
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
When felling just stem wood that is straight up and down, cutting over half way means the centre of gravity helps assist and make pushing the piece easier. Don't do this on anything with branches on or weighted in the opposite direction.
@JohnWalker-es6ci
@JohnWalker-es6ci Жыл бұрын
@@ClimbingArborist thanks mate
@kelvinspringer6794
@kelvinspringer6794 Жыл бұрын
I call it positive rigging, people we'll say I'm wrong! but I don't like negativity on my job site 😂🤓
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
Good way to think
@hectoracevedo1994
@hectoracevedo1994 Жыл бұрын
1st!!!
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
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@TerrellWillams
@TerrellWillams Жыл бұрын
First
@ClimbingArborist
@ClimbingArborist Жыл бұрын
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@TerrellWillams
@TerrellWillams 6 ай бұрын
@@ClimbingArborist I have done many more trees since this video and have even switched to a better saddle. I have also started using the Hitch climbing system and have retired the Blakes Hitch. Now I have come back to this video after all of these months.
@solsirius5582
@solsirius5582 Жыл бұрын
Good for training this site , But when is enough space , all time let fall them down , doesn't matter the English Grass ... Lay over branches to protect the flor Rigging Stems is all time the most dangerous cause there are tons of weights shortly in action 10 or 30 times more then the weight of the wood 🪵
@fuckoffcunts1473
@fuckoffcunts1473 8 ай бұрын
i do not agree with this dropping a log like this , running a log isnt how rigging should be done , you should be using 16 mil Spectra rope with no stretch so the log only drops in one ft below the cut , hench it does no gather extra forces on the rigging rope , if you dropping a branch or head all the way to the ground fair enough , but this isnt the same with a log , and as you can see in your video its why you take a big shake , one day youll break that rope doing this with a log , young climbers today do this with every rig they do , they are afraid they will get hit by the load when really they should be watching were they are and were the load is going , older climbers knew the forces on rigging ropes and yes we had lowering devices even 30 years ago , ( Don Blairs Hobbs device ) , we knew that lowering large logs just below our feet would only double the weight on the rope hence why we use Spectra with no stretch , 38 year tree climbing teacher here in Australia .
@wdm212
@wdm212 6 ай бұрын
No way Jose, a dynamic catch is always better to reduce impact forces. An exception would be if you risk damaging something dropping a log too low
@stefanedentorp1946
@stefanedentorp1946 7 ай бұрын
Excellent presentation. Only one comment, the correct pronunciation of Bowline are UK [ˈbəʊ.lɪn] or US [ˈboʊ.lɪn] not "line". All the best from a Swede :)
@christianarcos4333
@christianarcos4333 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
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