How Every Michael Mann Character Is Secretly The Same

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Nerdstalgic

Nerdstalgic

5 ай бұрын

On the surface most characters in Michael Mann movies might seem wildly disparate. Films like Heat, Collateral, Thief, and Ali showcase highly skilled characters, performing at their highest level, all while battling internal issues that stem from their obsession. It seems a lot of what Michael Mann creates comes from a sudo-autobiographical place. But why does Michael Mann seemingly use the same tropes and character types in all his movies? Does Michael Mann see himself in his own characters?
#michaelmann #heat #ferrari #filmmaking

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@_The_Archive_
@_The_Archive_ 5 ай бұрын
Fun Fact: In an early draft of the script for Heat, Vincent Hanna had a cocaine habit, which, according to Al Pacino, explains his outbursts.
@ozymandiasultor9480
@ozymandiasultor9480 5 ай бұрын
How does that explain outbursts? Hanna has no money to buy his poison, so he has outbursts? I have been with many different types who were and are using that stuff, and violent outbursts are not exactly something that happens if they have their snow... Sure, when there is no snow most can start being nervous and outbursts can be expected, but that character has enough money to feed his habit.
@chrisspencer6502
@chrisspencer6502 5 ай бұрын
@@ozymandiasultor9480your head is up…. Having spent plenty of time around people before they become flake addicts his actions are exactly on script
@roel.vinckens
@roel.vinckens 5 ай бұрын
​@@ozymandiasultor9480 You've been inside the habit ? Violent outbursts are constantly just below the surface. Not everyone erupts, but the volcano never really sleeps.
@ozymandiasultor9480
@ozymandiasultor9480 5 ай бұрын
@@roel.vinckens Maybe... I have seen the effect on people who were not exactly aggressive criminals, so maybe I am wrong.
@jamaalmcphee9332
@jamaalmcphee9332 5 ай бұрын
There was a scene which slides to his coke habit. And it wasn’t subtle.
@americanpaisareturns9051
@americanpaisareturns9051 5 ай бұрын
Personally I like Michael Mann’s cinematography. He makes you feel like you’re actually there. Like the movie Collateral. It didn’t feel like I was watching a movie. It felt like I was actually there watching the sheit.
@PhantomFilmAustralia
@PhantomFilmAustralia 4 ай бұрын
Mann's style of work to me is reminiscent of William Friedkin; who's style came from making documentaries.
@silentm999
@silentm999 4 ай бұрын
Who's the cinematographer?
@ajtaylor8750
@ajtaylor8750 5 ай бұрын
Most of Michael Mann's films are about men dealing with existentialism. Neil Macauley, Vincent Hanna, Max in Collateral, Frank in Thief, etc. They all are trying to find meaning.
@thhseeking
@thhseeking 5 ай бұрын
Hauptmann Klaus Woermann?
@afrosamourai400
@afrosamourai400 5 ай бұрын
Was hanna or max really looking for meaning?
@mobbaddictchannel
@mobbaddictchannel 4 ай бұрын
​​@@afrosamourai400I think Max is not actively looking for a meaning but he starts questioning his own life after meeting the lawyer woman and the killer. At the end of the movie you can feel that he came a long way personally. In Heat I feel like Neil is the more central character of the movie and a better representation of Michael Mann's existentialism. Vincent is too involved in his own job to really question himself. He's a bit like the character Pacino plays in Insomnia actually.
@blairmcauley2497
@blairmcauley2497 5 ай бұрын
Collateral is my favorite movie by Micheal Mann Tom cruise is great in that role he should play villains more often
@afrosamourai400
@afrosamourai400 5 ай бұрын
He was also great as Lestat..
@ink-_-
@ink-_- 3 ай бұрын
@@afrosamourai400 And also as Frank T.J. Mackey!
@visno
@visno 5 ай бұрын
excellent breakdown of michael mann’s work. this is why i have always believed that michael mann is the perfect person to direct a gritty batman noir story, which could be a great jumping off point for a rebooted DCU, maybe a batman beyond storyline
@zacegan1
@zacegan1 5 ай бұрын
Batman Beyond with that neon 😮
@visno
@visno 5 ай бұрын
@@zacegan1 if anyone is a hyper competent weirdo that has weird family stress and personality disorders it’s fuckin batman amirite?
@Malum09
@Malum09 5 ай бұрын
THE BATMAN practically apes his and Fincher's Style.
@brenthenshaw3585
@brenthenshaw3585 5 ай бұрын
Not to forget the Michael Mann produced series Crime Story, which has parallels to Heat. Several cast members were in the series, including Dennis Farina and Ted Levine, and the scene where Vincent leaves with his TV was lifted the seventh episode.
@avace917
@avace917 4 ай бұрын
I was hoping they would mention that.
@EyesOfByes
@EyesOfByes 5 ай бұрын
I've never seen a photo of Michael Mann before. I've always assumed he looked like a mix between Bay and Nolan. But to my surprise I got a Werner Herzog.
@Magdalena8008s
@Magdalena8008s 5 ай бұрын
Ha.
@olaleyeonikuyide7541
@olaleyeonikuyide7541 5 ай бұрын
Phenomenal video. For Heat fans who want to delve deeper into that story, I strongly recommend Heat 2. Mann was involved in writing the book. Hopefully, we can get an HBO series or something that does the book justice. Casting younger versions on the actors would go a long way
@T23T-vz6qb
@T23T-vz6qb 5 ай бұрын
Heat 2 the movie is already in pre-production. To be directed by Mann and starring Adam Driver.
@olaleyeonikuyide7541
@olaleyeonikuyide7541 5 ай бұрын
@@T23T-vz6qb thanks for your reply! Exciting and concerning. I’m not sure how they cover all that material properly over the course of one movie. I’d prefer a series to that or multiple movies, but we’ll see!
@mchockney3664
@mchockney3664 4 ай бұрын
Since Heat is my all-time favorite movie and I don't really like Adam Driver as an actor, I'm going to stay away from this by a hundred miles! Why can't they leave classic cinema/TV alone!? As if the Sopranos prequel wasn't already bad and unnecessary enough.
@trevorallen5266
@trevorallen5266 4 ай бұрын
Funny, I thought this was going to be about his Protagonists having Gray Hair + wearing a Gray Suit: Ferrari, Collateral, The Insider, Heat (Deniro gray suit, black hair)
@ShahYT.Official
@ShahYT.Official 4 ай бұрын
Also his movies has influenced GTA games, that's how good he is
@fredbloggs5902
@fredbloggs5902 5 ай бұрын
The same argument could be made for many writer/directors. Clint Eastwood, Luc Besson and Shane Black being obvious examples. ‘Anna’ being yet another version of Nikita.
@Bobbytheman98
@Bobbytheman98 5 ай бұрын
It’s animated but Evangelion and the connection it had to the creators depressive state. So much so that later in life he remade the whole series and based the direction of it off of the happiness he started to find later in life
@superdave3093
@superdave3093 5 ай бұрын
I don’t really necessarily think that he’s an autobiographical director. And honestly if he hasn’t said that, it’s all just speculation and opinion. And who’s to say EVERY director isn’t an autobiographical one, heck even a lot of actors use experiences from their own lives to fuel the characters they play. I think Michael Mann is just a good director that tells great stories. To say that he’s over compensating to portray that vision… I mean he is a director though so that’s his choice, right?
@fredbloggs5902
@fredbloggs5902 5 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention that ‘Heat’ is effectively a remake of Mann’s earlier ‘L A Takedown’.
@joeyskunk
@joeyskunk 5 ай бұрын
Steven Spielberg has the trope of the missing father. It becomes clear in "The Fablemans", where nearly every movie can be traced in the biography.
@BMeneau
@BMeneau 5 ай бұрын
Art can give you cowns in heaven and laurels on earth, but... :-)
@chloemchll3774
@chloemchll3774 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely- most movies of his either have the absent father (his autobiography) or the man who learns how to be a father (his wish fulfillment fantasy as a child for his own relationship with his dad, or perhaps what he hoped he would be as a father because of what he felt he lacked as a child.) My favorite example of this is in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Indy’s dad (one of Sean Connery’s best performances, btw) is the absent while still in the house cliche a lot of Spielberg’s characters were at the beginning of the movie (during the flashback sequence with young Indy) but over the course of the movie morphs into a much better father (albeit too late to matter to Young Indy, but better late than never) over the course of the adventure. Even something like Schindler’s List has Oskar become a sort of father figure protecting the workers in his factory throughout WW2 as part of Nazi Germany. It is definitely a trope in his movies even when it is barely there.
@fernandomaron87
@fernandomaron87 4 ай бұрын
​@@chloemchll3774Hook(1991) has the same themes, also ET but is the mom instead of the dad.
@GUNMETALGUYUSA
@GUNMETALGUYUSA 2 ай бұрын
This was an intense and entertaining deep dive into one my favorite director/producer. This type of movie and character work was an integral part of my teen/adult life. A Man's search for identity and centering is even More Important in this society that sucker punches the idea on a daily basis. Subscribing Was UNAVOIDABLE.
@arturovandeley
@arturovandeley 4 ай бұрын
I hope 'Tokyo Vice' gets a season 2 at least, to wrap the story.
@GarfieldRex
@GarfieldRex 4 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the essay 👌 now need of Darren Aronofsky :v love director's analysis
@johngriffiths118
@johngriffiths118 5 ай бұрын
Saw both Ferrari and Public Enemies yesterday . This analysis is on point
@mickbanner
@mickbanner 5 ай бұрын
I didnt know Mann only directed 4 movies.... its like all the moles on my body are perfectly in one line (if i ignore all the others)
@madhukarg8052
@madhukarg8052 5 ай бұрын
Heat is my all time favourite Action Movie
@kevinmaruthananth9510
@kevinmaruthananth9510 5 ай бұрын
It’s my all time favourite movie.
@nyrol
@nyrol 5 ай бұрын
Great video, as always!
@HarvestStore
@HarvestStore 5 ай бұрын
Great video.
@miguelcomas3157
@miguelcomas3157 4 ай бұрын
Every hyper skilled man i know struggles with this. Family or craft. Pick, because you only get one. Try not to fall to regret.
@taWay21
@taWay21 5 ай бұрын
Thief is so good!!!
@cobra8888
@cobra8888 5 ай бұрын
I did also notice when it comes to main villain in City Lights, the character is basically the same in a way. Take a look at Vincent from Collateral and Neil from Heat. Both wear suits, both dashing and have some street smart. Both have goatees (not sure if I am looking too into it but hey) and both execute their opponents same way. Two bullets on the chest, and one on the head to finish him off. I thought maybe somehow both movies are connected? Perhaps deep down their is in indeed an institution (based on Jamie Foxx's character Max) that brings out these people? Ok I guess I am reading too much into it. Bottom line there is a noticeable pattern.
@user50
@user50 5 ай бұрын
while mann recycles / revisits motifs a lot, an "execution-style killing" isn't his creation... but it does fit in with the "high competence" theme
@stridelighter
@stridelighter 4 ай бұрын
Are the movies connected? Maybe Neil is Vincent's uncle - maybe even his Dad. Like father - like son.
@hellomate2405
@hellomate2405 4 ай бұрын
Thief 1981 is also a Michael mann classic
@onepcwhiz6847
@onepcwhiz6847 4 ай бұрын
I just saw Ferrari and it holds true it it as well.
@VaderKneeling
@VaderKneeling 4 ай бұрын
Mannhunterrr
@giodhuha6771
@giodhuha6771 5 ай бұрын
What about Blackhat?
@EyesOfByes
@EyesOfByes 5 ай бұрын
So, basically my dad.
@jaimel88
@jaimel88 4 ай бұрын
Wtf why are they assuming Mann has no social life? lol
@tylerhackner9731
@tylerhackner9731 5 ай бұрын
Might as well be
@shirleymental4189
@shirleymental4189 2 ай бұрын
So he never made Manhunter then?
@MisterMonsieur
@MisterMonsieur 3 ай бұрын
3:25 -- Wig-an? It's pronounced Why-Gan ... so obviously *somebody* didn't watch the movie. They say it a dozen times! 🙄
@drewzalo
@drewzalo 3 ай бұрын
Interesting Public Enemies was skipped
@nhac-space
@nhac-space 4 ай бұрын
great, howl
@WilliamJames48
@WilliamJames48 5 ай бұрын
It's not uncommon amongst autuers. Scorsese, Spike, QT, and The Coens all do the same thing.
@13uxbaum
@13uxbaum 4 ай бұрын
While I agree with some of the basic insights here, whoever penned the voiceover presumptuously attributes an individual, autobiographical sensibility to what is far more likely to be generational/cultural/class-based in origin. Mann is not exactly reinventing the wheel here. He's handling the root material differently than, say, Scorsese or Coppola, but the liminal male figure struggling to reconcile American capitalist values with traditional domestic obligations would be recognizable and identifiable to an enormous segment of his audience (particularly second/third gen immigrants), not to mention his postwar cohort at large. Obviously there is some element of projection at work - the same goes for any artist/author! - and Mann excels at addressing the general by way of the particular. But I doubt he is so cheaply and directly transposing a personal neurosis onto narrative. To assume so requires *more* rather than less conjecture, especially given how reticent he is about his personal life.
@andreagv3
@andreagv3 4 ай бұрын
This "analysis" does not hold up to what Michael Mann has said over the years about his movies, nor to common critical opinion of his work. Ascribing characters' motivations to Mann's guilt at not spending time with his family or that "these male protagonists are stand-ins" to Mann's own autobiographical stories is frankly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. Film criticism should analyse what is shown, not try to invent invade the personal psychology of the author. Unless there is a clear declaration of intent or meaning by the director themself. And as far as I know, Mann has never considered his work autobiographical or mentioned any guilt at all because his job can take him from away family. If you have other sources Nerdstalgic, definitely post them, otherwise stop making things up. You are not in Michael Mann's head.
@Waferdicing
@Waferdicing 4 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤❤
@lordcolinb
@lordcolinb 4 ай бұрын
😊
@feedthesnake3394
@feedthesnake3394 5 ай бұрын
so.... spider-man
@deniss.6205
@deniss.6205 4 ай бұрын
Just like Chris Nolan, most of his potagonists are the same.
@rasheedrashad6831
@rasheedrashad6831 4 ай бұрын
Couldn't disagree more. A filmmaker as talented as Mann would not lend himself to such a binomial expression. No Mann's movies are much broader than this. They are more in line with films like One Flew over the Cukoo's nest. They are individual in society at thier core. The individual trying to fit I to a broader society. Not at all limited to a singular relationship.
@ProductBasement
@ProductBasement 4 ай бұрын
Anyone else remember the 2013 movie _The Heat_ starring Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy? Everything I hear about _Heat_ by Michael Mann, I have to remember that that is not the one with those women
@SchmergDergen
@SchmergDergen 5 ай бұрын
Can you do one on how all the MCU's female characters are the same starting in 2019?
@BDnevernind
@BDnevernind 5 ай бұрын
I don't understand how you get to claim this thesis about Mann without showing any evidence that you have a clue what his real life is like. Did I miss something here like a reference to his biography? I'm not saying you're wrong -- I know nothing about him -- but it's ludicrous to assume any writer's characters are just based on the writer's innermost struggles. I think you skipped the part where you show us how you know this is true of Mann.
@Maniacbob
@Maniacbob 5 ай бұрын
Nah, this is a classic case of someone noticing a detail and then making sweeping claims about the life of an artist with no real evidence. Notice how Michael Mann has directed over 20 movies but this video only references 4 or 5 of them. I bet that if you only look at a quarter of any director's filmography that you could make some pretty provocative statements about them with little basis in reality.
@superdave3093
@superdave3093 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. I stated something similar in my comment about this as well. 🙏👌
@zzay3345
@zzay3345 5 ай бұрын
Algorithm
@leperpens
@leperpens 5 ай бұрын
Wow, i forgot how much Will Smith's portrayal of one of the greatest athletes of the 20th century seemed like someone whose head was cooked in a microwave for 8-12 seconds...
@orangewarm1
@orangewarm1 4 ай бұрын
Nerdstalgic, you talk like you know Mann personally. Did he tell you he was struggling and juggling his personal and professional life? You used the word 'obviously' several times. Things arent as obvious as you seem to think. I do think you made several good points about emotional vulnerability and hyper competence though.
@phyarth8082
@phyarth8082 5 ай бұрын
Heat movies (1995) is nice twist on globalization reverse Godfather's where ties with old country is more important than criminal activity. Even criminal activity destroys family completely, but it is family based enterprise :) Neil McCauley - can not name his ancestry he care only about money and no drives drives he have. We want to hurt no one. We're here for the bank's money, not your money. Your money is insured by the federal government, you're not gonna lose a dime. Think of your families, don't risk your life. Don't try and be a hero. „ ~ Neil's most famous quote. It is describes today reality no tribal gangs no Italians, no Irish, no Jamaicans or no jews, no Russians. Or every Russian have tree passports and claims that Russia is where he money makes and Swiss passport where he money saves lol. Maybe sportsman team just supporting color of jerseys but some tribal, identity of countries religion, different culture is good thing. Heat is good movie which defines new genre, faceless corporations but also faceless criminals without any roots just insane drive for money. if Godfather's was last Mohican of gangster movies thus Heat was new genre of gangster movies faceless and nameless gangster's which only motif to get money.
@johndoe-gh2or
@johndoe-gh2or 4 ай бұрын
The video is word vomit
@delpullen730
@delpullen730 4 ай бұрын
Exactly, while the main theme stands up the assertion that it is autobiographical without ANY demonstrations of Mann's personal life is stupid.
@yodon6867
@yodon6867 5 ай бұрын
Michael Mann movies are amazing except Miami Vice he should have got Matthew McConaughey to play Sunny. Jamie Foxx and Matthew McConaughey on Miami Vice would have been a great movie
@thhseeking
@thhseeking 5 ай бұрын
You like "The Keep", too? :P
@stanleypasquale7080
@stanleypasquale7080 4 ай бұрын
So my friend,you have to understand he ,it is someone with a agenda, I watch that crap for years,but do you think he 😂got to the point of his talent,think about it 😂,what is the main theme of his work! Think about it,it’s not that deep 😅
@Promatuer
@Promatuer 5 ай бұрын
Have you heard of a guy called Steven Seagal??
@thhseeking
@thhseeking 5 ай бұрын
I am aware of his work 🤣
@delpullen730
@delpullen730 4 ай бұрын
Sadly, yes...
@raresmihaiiordache9356
@raresmihaiiordache9356 5 ай бұрын
First eyyy🎉🎉
@vladtepes3201
@vladtepes3201 5 ай бұрын
Pathetic
@pauperslament3467
@pauperslament3467 5 ай бұрын
::vomits::
@delpullen730
@delpullen730 4 ай бұрын
Cool... Thanks for giving ZERO insight into Mann's ACTUAL personal life while boldly claiming his work is autobiographical. A person's interests are not always the same as their lives. While a GREAT look into Mann's artistic concentrations, it is a WILD leap to assume it reflects his personal life in any way. This feels like some junior-level college essay bullshit. To me, this reveals more about the lives of this video's writer(s), than Mann's home life.
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