NEURAL AMP MODELER [NAM] || Better than ToneX, and 100% FREE! [with Capture-Comparison]
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Күн бұрынThere is a new king that reigns supreme in the realm of capturing the sound of your analog rig, and it's... not ToneX?!
Neural Amp Modeler (NAM) is an open source project by Steve Atkinson and offers "tone capturing" accuracy even better than IK Multimedias latest greatest release, ToneX!
In this video, I talk a bit about why this is the case and also demonstrate this by comparing both a NAM and a ToneX capture against my real deal Bugera 6262, boosted by an MXR M77!
NOTE: I already had this video uploaded yesterday, but I had a crucial mistake in my methodology in doing the Null-test, as I have not set up any latency compensation whatsoever. I redone that portion of the video to be 100% truthful and accurate as possible when comparing these two plugins.
0:00 What is NAM?
1:35 How is NAM better?
4:00 Where to download NAM
8:30 RIFFING (finally!)
13:10 AMP vs. NAM vs. ToneX
20:50 NAM vs. ToneX (Riff-Noodling)
22:10 Conclusion
Background music: Serenity by @Pufino via @FreeToUseMusic.
Follow Pufino: open.spotify.com/artist/74lQ2...
LINKS:
- Where to find NAM:
github.com/sdatkinson/NeuralA...
- How to train your models using Google Colab:
• How to use NAM Neural ...
- How to train your models using your local GPU:
• Neural Amp Modeler (NA...
- My self-created models:
drive.google.com/drive/folder...
Facebook Community Group:
/ 5669559883092788
Let me know what you think about this video, like, share, subscribe and all that jazz!
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Gear used:
Guitars: Partscaster w/ Seymour Duncan SH-5 in Bridge Position
Audio Interface: Audient iD44
Camera: Logitech StreamCam
Software: Open Broadcast Software (OBS), REAPER
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If you liked the music/riffs in this video, you perhaps like my band TEMPEST, Thrash Metal from Germany - check it out: / tempestmetal
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My affiliate link for Celestion Digital Impulses:
www.celestionplus.com/ref/233/
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the views and comments! You folks are amazing! 10 COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT NAM - ANSWERED! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sKeSosWVnLOyoqc.html
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness - 10k views in 5 days. This is absolutely amazing to me, and something which I never thought would happen to my small channel. You folks are the best, thank you so much for watching and enjoying the content. This really means a lot to me.
@BrandonBames Жыл бұрын
Algorithm hit, great job bro! Got you in my feed.
@FabioNET666 Жыл бұрын
very very goood work maan :D
@justinmarcil Жыл бұрын
This video helped me find this gem of a channel!
@EdBender 5 ай бұрын
Dude your content is very good, but for God's sake, normalize your loudness! Or at least warn your viewers that your guitar parts will be way louder than your voice. I'm trying to keep the little hearing I have left. Geesus.
@danthegeetarman Жыл бұрын
Very glad to have stumbled across this. I’ve joined the community now and look forward to seeing everyone’s captures 🙏
@picksalot1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison and documentation of the procedure you used. The Null Test is an uncompromising and fair arbiter when employed properly. I didn't know there were any good Software alternatives to the ToneX software. But, it's the hardware ToneX Pedal that makes portability of Captures/Profiles so attractive and practical for the gigging musician. Thanks
@drconflict629 Жыл бұрын
Open source projects like these are truly inspiring. Incredible!
@cmd_f5 Жыл бұрын
Very well done and thorough walkthrough and comparison! The null test is an excellent idea, something I use all the time when checking how various modelers and sims compare against each other. It's sometimes easier to hear the difference's when the tones are close otherwise. I also think NAM got a bit more of that harmonic feel that the real amp head had. It's subtle but I can hear it. Great vid man \M/
@jeracravo Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for putting the time to make it!
@thepessimist9043 Жыл бұрын
This review is amazing. So cool to learn that there is an open source project aiming at profiling, and done with such high quality. And thank you for explaining everything clearly and without metaphors for 3 year olds!
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! I am also really happy about the mostly positive reception this video received. It definitely fired up my eagerness to revive my KZfaq channel somewhat and test a lot of amazing products which have been recently released! 🙂
@josephforrest3713 Жыл бұрын
I'm actually legitimately surprised no one has brought out a VST hosting pedal... I just feel like this should exist in this day and age.
@davidschwartzguitar Жыл бұрын
There was the Mode Machines vPED Pro, which was released five or so years ago. I believe there was also a rack mount VST host as well. It cost more than a decent laptop and a MIDI foot switch combined, and suffered from compatibility issues and a lack of storage. Ultimately it sold poorly, as it didn’t really do anything that a laptop couldn’t do better.
@DJHyperreal Жыл бұрын
There are audio interfaces in pedal format but they need to connect to a PC or Mac. A stand-alone vst pedal would need to be a fast mini pc running windows with a good audio interface an some kind of touch screen and would still need to run windows - with all the stability that implies and would cost a few 100 to get started.
@josephforrest3713 Жыл бұрын
Not really. It could have custom firmware, that could simply run VST's.
@tobins6800 Жыл бұрын
There is a sort of one. Runs LV2 however. Check out pedal pi
@josephforrest3713 Жыл бұрын
@@tobins6800 I can well imagine someone making a little Linux system. I just think something like this should exist in this day and age, is all. I love the Poulin Powerball, 8180 and the Bogner. I'd be happy with those.
@DarkSkarStudio Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed a lot this video, a respecful and honest comparison. Also great pick technique playing that riffs!
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Both products are amazing, so no need to bash one over the other 😎
@TechyTimM Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the deep dive and especially for updating the original with the latency adjustment! It looks like the advantage of the ToneX gives you a pedal for your pedalboard when gigging, and the advantage of NAM is the price and DAW use.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Exactly! If you are a gigging musician and you need a platform to do so, then ToneX is where your money is best spent at - even though there are some stuff going on hardware wise in the background, but it's all quite nerdy and tinkering stuff, while ToneX is a commercial product and simply the safe bet with losing too much quality-wise. If you like nerding out, need to separate the capture and training processes (like pre-recording the test-files before doing the training at another day or so) and you want peak quality and don't care about CPU consumption, NAM is the clear winner. Thanks for watching!
@danthegeetarman Жыл бұрын
Sounds great. Didn’t know there was now access to NAM. Very cool!!
@Burbah Жыл бұрын
Just tried it.. and you're right. It is better. Actually a lot better imo.. Thank you for bringing it to my awareness.
@colinc48 Жыл бұрын
been using some of your models- great stuff!
@ARRITDOR Жыл бұрын
Amazing video - great job! Comparing via flipped phases (null test) was brilliant. One thing to keep in mind - IK can always improve TONEX to get even closer but not sure most will notice a difference, especially in a mix. That and the ecosystem with hardware pedal make it a no-brainer. I will be keeping an eye on NAM moving forward.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Right on all points. I very much hope that tonex will somehow add a manual mode allowing to set the epochs manually or so. The. It would be unbeatable. But also 470 € more expensive than NAM. But both have their place. ToneX earns all success they have!
@ctld5266 Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss tonex pedal plus helix is very good combo. however tonex & tonex pedal needs to improve the gui both on hardware & software. yet it's not very intuitive
@piotrkarpienia4779 Жыл бұрын
That is why I went with QC. Tons of effects and stereo amps. All this hardware will be updated softwise but Im a nerd and will follow NAM for sure.
@Xavofthedead Жыл бұрын
Awesome, I tried it and pushing the input on the full rig I had GREAT results, it's as good as my quad cortex ! Well done !
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you are enjoying NAM!
@marktywharton Жыл бұрын
okay spot on you’re doing pretty much the right thing to align them assuming your sample rate is high enough
@josephforrest3713 Жыл бұрын
Hey, great video. I've never herd of this before. I'd LOVE to get my hands on a Splawn Nitro!
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thanks! In the NAM group in the profiles of Tim Robertson there is actually a Splawn! I am not sure if it's the Nitro though, but if in doubt GO CHECK IT OUT 😎
@Shred_Rocket Жыл бұрын
Dude, very good analysis! Thanks, man!
@t.j.fuller9531 Жыл бұрын
This was an awesome video you put together here !! Maybe I can finally get the Mike Morin preamp tone in order ….. yeah I’m still trapped in the 80’s 😅
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help ya on your tone quest ;-)
@VanjaSpirin Жыл бұрын
Great sounds. Great playing, man.
@CarcPazu Жыл бұрын
I think it's official now, all profilers and modelers are great. When the cheap brands like Mooers and even open source stuff sound great, we topped. Just pick the one that seems to fit your need and price point the best and run with it, it doesn't matter any longer.
@amaurythewarrior Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't go THAT far, but what i've realize is you can now get pro result with basically any of them. I've been fighting for over 10 years trying to record my amps properly, but i failed to keep in touch with modelling. and no matter what i do modelers seem to sound more pro than what i get myself...
@technoguyx Жыл бұрын
Like the previous comment says you can indeed get pro results with almost any modelling software and even with some budget multieffect units that rely on the same principle (e.g. Zoom's). The price differences are a matter of ease of use, how intuitive and flexible the GUI looks and feels, how immediately can you get to a great tone after tweaking for your particular instrument, etc.
@CarcPazu Жыл бұрын
@@amaurythewarrior Recording the best amp in the world with the best equipment will not make your pro recorded guitar tracks automatically sound pro in your mix. It's a mix, everything push and pull each other, it's about wise decision making with your EQ and compressors. A pro can run a 50$ Amazon Basics amp sim pedal and make it sound great in a mix because he has a vision and know how to avoid pitfalls to achieve said vision...
@amaurythewarrior Жыл бұрын
@@CarcPazu yes, i know all there is to know about mixing, and i mostly agree with you, but for me i have issues recording actual which i didn't have using gearbox/pod farm and modelers in general. i wasn't fond of the sound, but it worked in the mix pretty easily (i didn't even EQ at the time) - while micing an amp properly is a different story. i can't imagine recording an amp and NOT doing eq, because it always sounds harsh. but maybe i would have a different problem with 50w or 100w tube amps and bigger cabs rather than 20w and 1x12.... but I KNOW it can sound good, since i've heard it. But I haven't been able to get these results myself.
@amaurythewarrior Жыл бұрын
@@technoguyx pro, yes depending on how important realism is. in a pop mix, or industrial, seems DId guitars would be perfectly fine.
@tommj4365 Жыл бұрын
Love this video :) maybe you've learned this by now, but... SHIFT + UP ARROW - in reaper will zoom waveforms vertically (but not raise the amplitude), will make aligning phase/zero-crossing much easier
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
I knew that one already some time ago, but forgot about it, but yeah this comment reminded me again of this functionality and I've been using this nearly on daily basis ever since. Late thanks ;-)
@doug941 Жыл бұрын
Awesome find! Thank you for this! Subscribed with the bell!
@BrainDeadTX Жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Thank you 🤘
@nikolayew Жыл бұрын
Amazing, did not know something like this existed !
@adamicinec Жыл бұрын
What if ToneX has DC offset filter (lowcut maybe at 10hz), that would throw a null test off. It would also explain why there is a difference mainly in the lower frequency spectrum. Commercial plugins like ToneX could have things like DC offset under the hood.
@scottwhitlow8468 Жыл бұрын
This is cool! Would be awesome to see a Quad Cortex or Helix comparison, etc. Great start to your channel! 👍🏻
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Unfortunately I do not own any of those units, only the ToneX software. But Mendel did a great comparison between Kemper,QC, ToneX and the real amp, and ToneX is the winner. Since NAM is slightly more accurate, you can go figure how awesome NAM would perform! 😎
@kernelxsanders Жыл бұрын
Wait, the Helix has capturing features?
@thewaldfe9763 Жыл бұрын
@@kernelxsandersno it doesn't. In my opinion, you cannot really compare different modellers and profilers based on an absolute accuracy level, because they all probably used different amp and recording setups. With profilers you can obviously do it - even though, most of the "sound character" comes from the speaker and mic-setup anyway, so some percentage of difference in the amp profiling (or modelling) should not make a huge difference for real world use. Different analogue amps probably are probably more different from one another than the different versions of them in QC, Kemper, Fractal, Helix etc.
@szveszs 7 ай бұрын
For 200 euros or something, used even less, you can buy a touchscreen mini PC, and with a bootable USB drop a lite version of the win11 or win10 (I use a win10 pro version with 1,7gb(using my own serial number)) + a midi controller. Running 2 instances of NAM, other plugins running, you can use pedals before if you want with a portable amp like the old Yamaha THR10 MKI or why not, a simple audio interface. In future the mini PCs more powerful would be easier to find and probably a better choice vs stuff like Quad Cortex, even for rehearsals or live situations.
@JWEmbry-wc7qi 2 ай бұрын
Very thorough and impressive info, thank you!
@everythingisopen 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Pipp, I've learned a lot from your NAM coverage. Exciting to see and hear a tool like that emerge now, widely available. Minor/major note re. video quality: you might want to sort out your (auto)focus some day. I'll keep on watching anyway, content is king.
@PippPriss 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the reply - yeah, I am using an Logitech Stream-Cam, which on every time loading OBS I gotta set up Manual Focus again, and sometimes I forget to set that up, sometimes not. I am thinking about getting an Elgato FaceCam Pro, but that's a hefty investment with 300 bucks. But thanks for sticking around!
@everythingisopen 9 ай бұрын
@@PippPriss I've looked for something similar and gave up on the webcam thing early on. Some of the newer mirrorless cameras can stream FHD (at least) with clean HDMI output. If you aren't streaming much anyway record to SD and export to video editor, with total control of quality, focus, aperture, white balance, nice stuff. Some newer phones might be OK as well. Canon R50 and M50 mkII, Panasonic GH-something (G100?), comes to mind. For static shots like these manual focus is also an option. And you'll get a very nice camera for rest of life :)
@Hexspa 6 ай бұрын
@@PippPrissyes great video but, personally, I prefer videos without background music. Your speaking delivery is already engaging enough. Thanks
@grav3serker Жыл бұрын
this is great! thanks for the deep dive on this! do you know if there is a discord group for this? i don't have facebook, so sadly, i can't get access to any of the community captures
@Mattrocity1337 Жыл бұрын
how do you get your DI's to sound that rich? ive never gotten anywhere close on any of my setups
@andersozzy6056 Жыл бұрын
I have just test this amp mod and have to say, it is the best I have tried ever!!!. Forget all the others this is the BEST!!!!!
@rjw8631 Жыл бұрын
can you demo this with some more subtle and clean lo-gain tones rather than just thrash metal? it would be appreciated
@marktywharton Жыл бұрын
okay I like the green one best .. now what happens when you time stretch them?
@m.gunturkurniawan8085 Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT COMPARISON... THANK YOU, SIR !🤩
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting!
@JoeHasGas Жыл бұрын
Just down loaded this n the models ,gotta get the Facebook ones.gonna try yours later. Ty bro
@blakepennycook8952 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thanks!
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
Glad it helped!
@ChrisMusickx Жыл бұрын
I tried to join the FB group twice but they don't accept my request somehow... anybody knows whats going on there ??
@sopedro01 2 ай бұрын
Open Source Rocks. I have Tonex and Love it but Open Source projects are the future. Thank for this . well done. Subscribed ;)
@suffersystemstudios Жыл бұрын
Hmmmm, this is interesting, will def be checking this out when I get off of work. Are there many high gain tones out there to run with it already?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! My tip: use my captures which can be found in the description as a starting point. If more is desired, check out the facebook group and search for following users and their models: Helga Behrens Jon Arnolds / Petr Canov Tim Robertson They have awesome amps, ranging from 5150 to XXX to Dual Rec to Mark IV to VH4 and more!
@Cpt_Adama Жыл бұрын
If they can get a forum for uploading models and some way to make a pedal like the ToneX with an updateable rom to upgrade when new firmware is out.
@Garflips 11 ай бұрын
Great information, clear and articulate. I know there's no way to predict how the software will develop and if a hardware manufacturer will step in and develop a pedal solution for NAM captures. I am curious - and this could affect Tonex users as well - if older captures will end up being compatible with later - future - hardware and software developments. For example, will Tonex captures be compatible with Tonex mk2? Being backwards compatible can often be a drag on innovation. No worries really, it's important to... "be here now" and just appreciate the great tools that are available now. I doubt most of us are going to sell our favorite amps after making a capture anyway.😅
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
My amps are going nowhere! If at all, it's rather an incentive to buy more amps, to capture them and then... well, then... then... keep them?! ;-)
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
And also, thank you for the kind words! Glad you liked the video!
@jonathanfoster100 Жыл бұрын
This is incredible, the times we live in.
@MrRioso-ry1hb Жыл бұрын
Very well done !!!
@inkubass Жыл бұрын
You files sound killer. I had to bounce a few to mono to get them to work, but they're really good
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Glad you like em! Yeah,.my IRs have been shot back then in stereo, and I forgot to convert before posting them and became a bit lazy 😎
@NikolausBrocke Жыл бұрын
Great job. A very serious investigation.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I try to be fact-driven in these type of videos. I am in general a very positive person, so it's very hard for me to bash a product or anything. But I do want to kind of undermine my points with evidence. Thank you for watching and also explicitly highlighting this aspect of this video, means much to me 🙂
@VladoBelo Жыл бұрын
Hi, I don't speak English well, so I write with the help of a translator 😀 Please advise, I have installed the plugin, I can see the app and also the standalone plugin in daw.. Still it doesn't work for me... I have the input on the sound card set to audio, the cable is plugged in and I can't hear, no NAM sound... The input indicator on the NAM shows no signal.. But I can hear only clean sound from the monitors ... Is it necessary to install something else besides the plugin? Thanks for the advice 😀
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Hi Vlado! Normally, if you hear "clean sound", then there should be input signal on the NAM plugin. Have you loaded models? You have to load models into the Neural Amp Modeler, so that it works.
@matthijshebly Жыл бұрын
By the way, you can zoom in on the waveform in Reaper using Shift + Arrow Up (and out again by Shift + Arrow Down).
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Forgot about that trick, thanks! Will save me next time when aligning for the null test (learnt it once through the almighty Kenny, but forgot about it)
@renomtv Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss I was wondering about that too since with Audacity you can zoom in but this much more sophisticated software can't? Glad it wasn't the case lol
@brianmac8260 Жыл бұрын
Try the Mouse Wheel even.
@matthijshebly Жыл бұрын
@@brianmac8260 No, that's different. The mouse wheel zooms in on Reaper's workspace; Shift + Arrow zooms in specifically on waveforms *only*, while leaving the workspace layout unchanged.
@Tryggvasson Жыл бұрын
thanks for the info. very interesting. i'm gonna definitely give it a try.
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
Hope you tried and enjoyed! Thanks for checking it out!
@Tryggvasson 11 ай бұрын
@@PippPriss yeah! i'm actually already using it in a project. i don't like it that there isn't a stereo version - for stereo delay - but i certainly like how it sounds, the simplicity of it, and the eq curves i think are well chosen.
@mattvdh Жыл бұрын
holy f it sounds amazing when you loaded the IR...wow
@ferelectroacustico Жыл бұрын
Hi! wich amp sim do you recomend for clean and low gain? because there is a lot for high gain, but for playing blues, jazz, pop or rock...
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Hi, check out my model pack in the video description, I have updated the entire model structure. I have some clean tones there, most noticably the clean channel of the Bugera 333, which I love for thick compressed cleans. Using the input to crank it you can get a nice edge of breakup/light Crunch tone which works great with single coils. My tip: either use it the tone as is with your fav IR with a chorus for thick tones, or crank the input to max and add a delay for lead playing. Also have a VOX AC15 capture and the clean channel of an Marshall JVM410 Joe Satriani Signature. :-) Let me know if the tones suit you well and what you think about the captures I made. :-)
@mikepeterson443 Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis.
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@richardbrancatisano4324 Жыл бұрын
Great video!! thank you! 1 question.. what causes that static sound?? And is it the original file that has it or the modelled file?Am I correct in assuming the null test doesn't tell you which stem has this sound missing... ORRR is it noise created by both stems being a little different.. hope this question makes sense.. basically I'm trying to find out whether the NAM sound introduces this noise or doesn't have it to begin with OR it doesn't exist in either and is noise created by the process... THANKYOU:))
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Hi there! I hear no static sound, do ,out have a timestamp? If there is noise, most likely it's EMI interference from the PC. NAM in itself does not add any static noise or aliasing sounds, at least not in amp+boost.captures. when doing full rigs, my experience that s bit aliasing fizziness is added above 12kHz. But since speakers do not really efficiently operate in these frequencies anyways, you want to cut everything above 9-10kHz. IRs basically shave off that frequency range as Welly so it's no loss tone-wise. Hope this helps :-)
@richiebranco Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss thanks for replying!!! I’m sorry!! I wasn’t specific at all lol!! My bad! At 21:50 when ur nulling the sounds the left over sound is what I’m referring too.. there seems to be low level guitar signal and also a static /distortion Type sound..
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
@@richiebranco Sorry for the late reply, life came inbetween. The static noise you hear are leftovers of the null-test. I would categorize them as "slight differences in the very complex thing that is distortion". So the static is not any noise in the regular sense of noise, but actually shows that frequency-wise most stuff has been cancelled out, but in regard of complexity of distortion, there is a small portion "inaccuarcy" to any method given.
@richardbrancatisano4324 Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss thank you!!:)) appreciate that:)
@BabaGhanoushMusic Жыл бұрын
Awesome. Great time to be a studio guitarist.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I was in the digital game since 2009, when POD Farm 1 was still a thing. Amazing to see how things have picked up, especially in the last 5-7 years.
@BabaGhanoushMusic Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss same here, POD days lol
@Jaimefumer13 Жыл бұрын
Great video !
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MoreMeRecording Жыл бұрын
Great video. Is there a repository for models out there? I'd love to get some of the great variety out there.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Yes! www.tonehunt.org is a newly released platform with tons of models, a dedicated project by some NAM-enthusiasts!
@mmmanarin Жыл бұрын
Hey dude, great video. can you tell me where is that IR from? STL MAR 30 something... Sounds great
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
It's derived out of the STL Tones Josh Middleton Tonality plugin, and with friendly courtesy of the fine folks at STL Tones allowed for staying uploaded! Shout-out to them! Awesome company, awesome plugins!
@danimourinho Жыл бұрын
Great video!Could you test also the new plug in called AIDA-X? Also free and they have the option to add it in the MOD Dwarf pedal. It is a game changer for me!
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip! Certainly interesting, I will see what I can do on checking that one out. I do not have the MOD Dwarf, even though that unit had me intrigued quite some time!
@MyWickedTwin Жыл бұрын
I am unable to use it - Cakewalk is unable to see it...
@chrismsantos Жыл бұрын
great video man and amazing tones .. thx so much !!! so close amp real really ... NAM is possible better alternative today thx to share !!!
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
So glad I could help you getting your hands on a great piece of software! :-)
@chrismsantos Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss great tones really ... try record cover using this profiles amanzing .. so is possible share reaper projetc entire ??? i loved this demo
@BrianAlexSinger Жыл бұрын
Where do I find the community to try out some of the .NAM files? I've downloaded the plugin but not sure where to go from there just to try out some sounds. Thank you for making the video.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
In the description, there should be a link to the Facebook group. One of the featured threads is the model thread. As a starting point, in the video description there is also a link to my own models :-) Enjoy!
@BrianAlexSinger Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss Thank you 🙏
@woodward_alan Жыл бұрын
Did my first NAM model today. I checked Tempest after... great songs and tone. Did you capture and upload your rig for Collateral Murder?
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for checking out TEMPEST! Glad you liked it! Unfortunately, the rig was an Axe-FX preset of Widek, the engineer who mixed and mastered our album, and I have no access to this tone.
@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Жыл бұрын
Great! I’m a huge fan of ToneX and it totally replaced my kemper and Quad Cortex! NAM is also my new great studio tool. And it will go better and better with updates, competition is now open 😊😊😊😊
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
ToneX is fantastic - my first video which I uploaded was totally flawed in the Null-Test and offered the impression ToneX being far off. But NAM is just that tad better than ToneX, but understandable - I run my models on 750 machine learning epochs, and ToneX catches roundabout 250 - of course there will be a slight deviation in accuracy. But if ToneX ever allows for this tweakability, or offers a "crazy mode" above Advanced, then of course ToneX will achieve same results and will be able to beat every other alternative out there through it's ecosystem! As you said - COMPETITION IS OPEN! :-) Thanks for watching and commenting!
@Rouwiinator Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss thanks for sharing this and the insight into the plugin. Seems like a great plugin however I think that it will have a hard time competing with tonex because of marketing and reach. Also the thing that tonex has going for it is the hardware. Being able to grab your sounds in a little pedal is awesome.
@davidgray4995 Жыл бұрын
@@Rouwiinator I hear this stance quite often and I’m curious why more people don’t lean into a laptop based rig. Better processing power, more flexible especially if you’re running something like MainStage and a midi foot controller like the fcb1010. There are interfaces like the Quantum series that offer close to 0ms latency. I’ve heard people say it’s not convenient but I just don’t see how. Maybe I’m missing something🤷♂️
@Rouwiinator Жыл бұрын
@@davidgray4995 midi programming would also be a thing so that you would barely have to use a foot controller at all. The simple reason I prefer dedicated hardware is simply that I trust it more to run the way it is supposed to. A PC likes to receive updates to its OS and the Plugins you would choose to use that easily can mess with your setup.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
@@davidgray4995 I can chime in on this - a laptop is absolute superior in power, but not dedicated to that single task. It is a more fragile and delicate balance you have to keep up. Just imagine running a Windows machine, which short before a gig starts up starts to update for whatever f*d up reason. And if you are ONLY using a laptop dedicated for audio, then the cost is so high that you can easily justify purchasing a higher tier dedicated unit, and then still have a more stable and also rigid setup. But that said, I have played in a cover band where the guitar player (very young, 18 years old) used a MacBook with the Tim Henson Archetype plugin. I guess this will become more normal over time.
@MusicChannel-rf5zz Жыл бұрын
Hopefully I can capture this onto my Tonex Pedal :)
@MrMOGHammer Жыл бұрын
something I wonder, did you use the advanced toneX tone capture which takes a lot more time to get more accurate or just the medium one? That could explain the difference.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Always the Advanced Mode. I do not care for Standard or Light or whatever the other modes are called. Also, anything else would be unfair to ToneX.
@timperry8961 Жыл бұрын
I'm experiencing big latency on Focusrite Scarlett 2i2. Any tips on reducing that?
@JulianA-tr6pt Жыл бұрын
If you haven't fixed it yet, or for anyone else with the issue - If your computer can handle it, set the buffer lower. I've had good results at 192 which I believe is the lowest the amp software goes. Set this on the focusrite config software and the DAW/amp software. Also, within the software settings if you're using the standalone amp software, make sure it's set to ASIO. DirectSound will have loads of latency.
@elar6383 Жыл бұрын
what is the win-pdbs zip file?
@MorbidManoeuvres 6 ай бұрын
cool, i downloaded it but can not find any modelers or ir for it
@PippPriss 4 ай бұрын
Check Out tonehunt.org for thousands of models to load into NAM! :-)
@YpeMusic Жыл бұрын
great video but why are models and ir's not showing after installation?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
The models and IR have to be downloaded separately - link to the models and IR can be found in the link in the description! :-)
@c72367 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, although I would have appreciated to hear comparison also on clean or just with minimal crunch/distortion. Having a lot of distortion kind of hides the possible differences for me.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am unfortunately a total idiot when it comes to cleans - but what I am thinking of doing is a video where I am not diving into how NAM works or so, but just explore different tones with NAM, together with possibly other freeware plugins to kind of make good clean tones, good crunch tones, good high-gain tones on a budget. I could imagine such a video fairs well view-count-wise and offers a bit more for people to enjoy. What'ya think of something like that? 🙂
@c72367 Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss absolutely!!
@SAMPRZZZ Жыл бұрын
Can you upload the community profiles too? I would like to try the 5150. I do not have facebook. Thanks for the detailed review btw
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I cannot upload other peoples work out of respect to their work, but I can share one link to Jon Arnolds and Petr Canovs captures, which are definitely among the best - posting all the links understandably is not possible for me, and we are discussing heavily in the group regarding some form of centralized repository system. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s6kfBa-dO_m2Uwa7q3bVP6FZxr0PMwbg?fbclid=IwAR0wlDW4EYuDi_Byp2o6NGdWDMQ5dbk7cTG8EiKzBc_rmoB1pT3s-AzYQVc
@SAMPRZZZ Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss Thanks, I understand and appreciate your effort. I'm going to test this tones right now.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
@@SAMPRZZZ Awesome, let me know what you think of 'em! 🙂
@christianpucciarelli Жыл бұрын
I always tought about a vst loading pedal , mod dwarf does something similar but I guess it loads only specific created vst’s
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
The MOD Dwarf only loads LV2- plugins, which is a different standard than VST. But in the NAM community there are people working on a LV2 version, or they even might be finished doing so! Definitely worth checking out!
@christianpucciarelli Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss being able to bring nam to the stage with a simple device would be a great solution !
@renomtv Жыл бұрын
interesting idea to use cancellation (aka "null test") to detect difference. That's as objective as you can get
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
To be fair, was not my idea - I saw this method on Mendels ToneX video and thought this was extremely smart to do so. Credit, where credit is due ;-)
@chopshop777 2 ай бұрын
Dude, you got some wicked thrashy riffs, do you have an album out ? any link ? spotify ? cheers. Ed
@PippPriss 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Yes, I have a thrash metal band called TEMPEST -> tempest-thrash.bandcamp.com ! :-)
@chopshop777 2 ай бұрын
@@PippPriss fuck dude, took me a few tries to find it, but I found it, cause there's a few other unrelated bands , artists on there that use Tempest as well, but I found yours, killer album, love those riffs, cheers from Vancouver, Canada, hope to catch tempest around here at some point. Ed
@thecaveofthedead Жыл бұрын
It's still impressive that the free product is noticeably closer to the original than the for-profit option.
@vaughanmacegan4012 Жыл бұрын
Well to be fair the tech in the Kemper is practically ancient by now. It's been out for like 12 years.
@thecaveofthedead Жыл бұрын
@@vaughanmacegan4012 Yeah but it's in comparison to a product that came out this year, not the Kemper.
@Jarde-kl3uv Жыл бұрын
Where does the crackling come from in the null test? Great video btw!
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
The crackling is basically the "leftover" after putting source and destination files in reverse phase relation to each other. So everything perfectly "nulls out", except for some dynamic shifts in gain and compression, which is the crackling. This shows how super close both ToneX and NAM (more accurate than ToneX) are.
@Jarde-kl3uv Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss Yes I know what 180° degree phase flip produces, but these crackles are a bit unusual... Like a camp fire 🔥. And thanks for replying!
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
The crackles are so unusual, because there is so much phased out, meaning NAM is so incredibly close. If there were more differences, like what I saw and heard on Kemper profiles, then it would sound less like a camp fire ;-) Thanks for asking, glad to always help and engage!
@wolvesandguitars Жыл бұрын
what hard ware can you even use it on? bring a laptop to a gig?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
For now that's the only solution. But people in the Facebook group are looking to get a LV2- format version of NAM, then it could work on the MOD Dwarf pedal. One user was using NAM on his Stomp Pi or so, basically a PI running Linux and then running plugins on it.
@oskarwroniewicz Жыл бұрын
Kinda makes me regret the money I've spent on plugins. At least I have some pretty GUIs to look at lmao. Also, that IR you use sounds CRUSHING, what pack is that?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
That IR is extracted out of the STL Tones Josh Middleton Tonality Plugin suite. After clarifying with STL Tones, the fine folks there are okay with me sharing it with the community. You can find it in the model list in the link in the description below. And also, don't regret your plugin purchases - I love full suite plugins, they are a different animal than NAM and also have their appeal. 🙂
@oskarwroniewicz Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss Man, I'm really surprised you made the effort to write to STL guys about sharing the IR. Thank you! Can't wait to try it!
@jmstroupe Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool. Can these load into the tonex pedal?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not! But I will eventually make the same settings and profiles for ToneX and maybe make a video to ToneX as well.
@Fatherflot64 Жыл бұрын
I tried this and I didn't hear anything special, no matter how many .nam files I tried. And even with latency set as low as possible in my DAW, it sounded and felt exactly like every other guitar plugin in my DAW --- very processed and with a latency that makes playing through it impossible. How come I can sculpt fantastic tones with no discernible latency with my NuX MG-30, but I can't get anything better from this than the old Boogex plugin? I'm sure I'm missing something --- what is it?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Have you set the sample rate to 48 kHz? What is your buffer size? I have a roundtrip latency of under 5 ms - that's like standing 1,5m away from a guitar cabinet, which, let's face it, would be plain idiotic. So I assume you have something set up wrong, if you have perceivable latency. Of course, the quality of the sounds given is highly dependent on the capture you are loading - did you like the tones I got in my video and tried these captures, or did you went for other captures? In all fairness, NAM is hard to compete vs. full scale amplifiers and modelling amplifiers, because these have all these features to change the tone. But when it comes to pure capture-tech, NAM definitely is the most accurate solution, and yes, the price (=free) is the actual game-changer here. If you'd pay 30$ for this, it would have a hard time competing against ToneX SE on Sale for 50$ in value.
@jirosaves_theworld Жыл бұрын
not gonna lie i love this than tonex also..... support aax too?
@berndkiltz Жыл бұрын
Nice Video... but why do you have music running THAT IS OUT OF TUNE?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
I just searched some lofi Background music which was royalty free 😂 I will search for something more inviting for the next video. But it was easy to find and served it's purpose quite well 😂
@berndkiltz Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss Your Audience are guitar player who want to noodle along... just dont do music, please! The Video is great and thank you for introducing me to NAM :)
@berndkiltz Жыл бұрын
By the way I almost switched off because of the music though I was REALLY interested in the topic ;)
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
@@berndkiltz Thank you for the very kind words! I have seen a lot of videos of yours (fellow German here) and it's an honor that this video has appealed to you execution-wise (except for the music). 🙂
@berndkiltz Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss Oh, thanks for watching - DANKE! :)
@zgrsky Жыл бұрын
Where to find that community page with other's people models?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Check the link to facebook in the description of the video down below! 🙂
@zgrsky Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss thx
@vaughanmacegan4012 Жыл бұрын
A VST hosting pedal ... hmmm, isn't HeadRush attempting to do something like that right now with the Prime unit. This could get very, very interesting. And the Quad Cortex has been promising this since 2019.
@dannykiernan Жыл бұрын
Were you using hardware to get the captures?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Yes, a Palmer DACAPPO ReAmp box between interface and amp and ay ToneHound Reactive Loadbox.
@brianmac8260 Жыл бұрын
Here's a question! Could a similar unit do Tape? 🙂
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
There are in the facebook group some models which try to replicate the coloring of tape machines! Go check it out 🙂
@attillal4821 Жыл бұрын
When are you putting it in a hardware format? 💪
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, there very few hardwares which can host plugins. The MOD Dwarf can load plugins in the L2V format, which is currently under discussion on the github page for NAM. I think I also saw in the facebook group, that one user managed to get it working on his NeuralPi pedal, which is kind of a Raspberry Pi - based plugin hosting pedal or so.
@matthijshebly Жыл бұрын
Hey, don't be too hard on yourself :) We all live and learn
@nicolethewitch7 Жыл бұрын
How do I add models and stuff??
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
You can find models on tonehunt.org ! Check it out, there are thousands of models there! :-)
@LosAngelesPilot Жыл бұрын
It would be nice if there was documentation or a manual for this.
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Check out the facebook group, or Jason Zdoras channel, as he has a few videos on using NAM/training your model. 🙂
@LosAngelesPilot Жыл бұрын
@@PippPriss like I said, Too bad there isn't any documentation or manual...videos are not documentation.
@motorhomefamily256 Жыл бұрын
Would be nice if there where chapters to point towards you null tests mentioned here, tonex owners who dont gig are jealous for buying a pedal for nothing
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
There are actually chapters when I open it, but yeah the null-test is hidden in the "Amp vs NAM vs ToneX" chapter - around 17:00 it starts, for anybody interested. Thanks for adding this comment, I will add it to the description!
@accentontheoff 11 ай бұрын
I tried some of the amps on their site with a random IR and it sounded garbage. What am I missing.
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
Have you made sure that you use an Impulse Response (Cab Simulation)? Most of the captures on ToneHunt (i think that's what you mean with "their website") are Amp-only captures and will sound like a frying pan cooking an angry beehive if you don't load an Impulse Response on the second slot. I have that IR uploaded here: tonehunt.org/PippPriss/ecac8225-ce0b-4b63-8835-ce344ddf7e8b Give it a try, maybe together with one of my Bugera 6262 profiles or so, and let me know. I will soon make a dedicated video on my NAM profiles, just to showcase what I got yadda yadda - stay tuned for that! 🙂
@accentontheoff 11 ай бұрын
@@PippPriss Thanks! will try it. Btw isn't the GitHub page the official place for their Cabs and Amps etc. Suddenly not sure where I downloaded the IR from.
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
The GitHub page is the official page for the source code, downloaders etc. In the beginning of NAM, when we searched for ways to categorize stuff, some users added very common and cool profile packs to the GitHub. But these efforts are dwarfed by ToneHunt, which has become the de facto official place to upload and download presets.
@accentontheoff 11 ай бұрын
@@PippPriss Ah ok thanks. Didn’t know that.
@mattvdh Жыл бұрын
Glad some open source companies are challenging ToneX like NAM and GuitarML. ToneX didn't impress me at all when I tried it tbh,...very cool demo! Thanks
@slidersson Жыл бұрын
Tonex did not impress you? Ha ha ha ha...yeah right.
@justsomerandomguyman Жыл бұрын
You're doing something wrong then, because it's better than the Kemper, which has been used by pro producers on countless albums for years and years.
@TheLolpwnz Жыл бұрын
I would listen vs QC and kemper haha :D
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately do not own any of those products. But I have a buddy with a Kemper. Maybe I can arrange something on this front in the future!
@davidmultimedia2024 Жыл бұрын
NAM sounds AWESOME... but am I the only one having extreme CPU usage, compared to Tonex? I have a i7 8 core CPU, and this is crazy! In Studio One 6, disabling/enabling 1 instance of Tonex doesn't change CPU performance.. but enabling NAM makes it jump from 35% to 50-55% (I have a of tracks with lots of plugins, so that's why my CPU usage is at 35% initially).
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
NAM is a bit CPU heavy for some folks, I personally never had an issue. This stems from the fact than there are different architectures, similar to ToneX three quality tiers, and most people out there use the highest standard, as well as me. What you can try to do,.since NAM is so accurate, is train a model based on my model, but use the Feather or lite architecture instead of the standard architecture. Should yield in great sounds as well with less CPU consumption.
@everythingisopen 9 ай бұрын
@@PippPriss would mixing with a feather model used as a proxy work? Then swap it out for the max quality one before final mixdown.
@antoninomagliocco Жыл бұрын
Are there any IR?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
There is one IR in the Pack which I extracted from STL Tones Josh Middleton and which STL Tones Aas awesome enough to allow me to have it uploaded. Kudos to them for this!
@bobbieoneal Жыл бұрын
What about Cortex ?
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
I unfortunately do not have a Quad Cortex, but ToneX seems to be more accurate than both QC and Kemper, and NAM being more accurate than ToneX, it makes it the accuracy winner ;-)
@georgezorbas9036 11 ай бұрын
I have bough Tonex and I can understand the sound of it, it is not so good as NAM. Tonex has something that's not like the NAM or real amp. I wish it was as good as NAM. BRAVO for your technical video comparison.
@PippPriss 11 ай бұрын
Well, I also have ToneX, and actually the ToneX pedal, and I am with you here. ToneX does lack something, whereas NAM is super accurate. But that said, ToneX is very much well enough for live use and is also a great concept. Compared it yesterday to a Kemper, and there was just a minute difference.
@ishay777777777 Жыл бұрын
would be nice to get a simple guide. don't know how the hell to use this lol
@PippPriss Жыл бұрын
Check out Jason Zdoras KZfaq channel - he has an easy video how to set up training locally on your PC. Or do you mean using the plugin itself? It's easy - download the plugin, install it, open the plugin, take one of the .nam models for example from my link in the description, then use an IR to emulate the cabinet and your good to go! 🙂
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